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112 Responses to Greek Myths Vs. The Bible: What`s The Diff? [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of Bunny_Killer
    Bunny_Killer Male 13-17
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:34 am
    Link: Greek Myths Vs. The Bible: What`s The Diff? - Anyone with a bit of knowledge on these sorts of things able to explain this?
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    WeePee Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:39 am
    they aren`t called bible myths, nor are they called facts. they are called beliefs because people choose to believe in them,
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:39 am
    www.exitmundi.nl/bible
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:41 am
    It depends which stories you`re talking about in the Bible. The events recorded in the New Testament had many witnesses and were documented by these witnesses. That`s what the New Testament is.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:41 am
    popularity, pure and simple. jesus is the receipient of the greatest PR blitz in the history of civilization.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:44 am
    Because Constantine converted the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire`s main goal was to convert as many people into the empire as possible. Christianity shares that singular goal.

    Then over the next millennium Christianity spread throughout the world as European nations began to explore, thereby forcing their religions on indigenous people and destroying their faiths.

    Christianity continues to spread to 3rd world countries by way of missionaries even today. And is by far the most pushed religion on Earth. When was the last time a Jew or Muslim came to your door or handed you a pamphlet on the street about their faith?
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:44 am
    People only get offended by the denunciation of the Bible in Murica.

    The rest of the western world moved on years ago.
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:45 am
    let the religious flame war BEGIN!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Perfectly sums up my opinion on religion:

    Religion is like a penis, It`s OK to have one, it`s OK if you are proud of it, it`s OK if it makes you happy, just don`t wave it around in public and keep it away from children.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Simple historical context. Greek mythology is a lot older than Judeo-Christian mythology. Myths are created within the context of one culture and are eventually replaced and/or rewritten by a newer one.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:48 am
    Buiadh
    I call BS. I`ve been to Italy and parts of Spain. It is more important there than it is here.
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    deyv87 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:51 am
    So, what, you`re saying Apollo doesn`t pull the sun across the sky each day?
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    number696969 Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:52 am
    Because the bible doesn`t have any awesome magical creatures in it, it MUST be true.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:55 am
    I worship Zeus... Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:56 am
    Why do you assume that everyone that reads the Bible will come to that conclusion?
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 11:56 am
    "Because the bible doesn`t have any awesome magical creatures in it, it MUST be true."

    Leviathan, Behemoth, Dragons, Devils, Demons, Spirits, Jinn (Quran). Despite being religious, I`ve never held much stock in most of these in the fashion they`re represented.
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    drgnfire Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    inb4thisturnsinto10pagesofflame
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    Lobotomy Male 13-17
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    The Norse gods are the only true deities anyway...
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    lolz religion on IAB
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    denmarkcm Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    I wouldn`t say that the Bible has NO Factual evidence.. They have found lost cities in the same places described in the Bible.. But yea 6 years at a Christian High School got put in its place after one semester in a World Religions Class in College..
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    Beardofzeus Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    IAB`s daily religious troll. Don`t feed it folks...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Because the Bible isn`t fiction, most of it is history. Even if you don`t believe any of the miracles actually happened, the history is still there and is supported by archaeology.
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    RAGEMONSTER Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    <---definitely not religious; but I have to to say that atheist are the biggest a$$holes of all. Just STFU and not believe in god, and let the other weirdos believe in god. Go drat yourselves religos and atheist alike!!!!! I hope you all die brutal deaths!!! LOL
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    @beardofzeus it`s always good to see the religious types come out and not provide any evidence towards another argument FOR religion.

    You just always seem to put your fingers in your ears and go lalalalalalala, hoping people will walk away so you can think you`re right.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    "Because the Bible isn`t fiction, most of it is history. Even if you don`t believe any of the miracles actually happened, the history is still there and is supported by archaeology."

    Eh, to say most of the Bible is history is a bit of a stretch. The New Testament certainly contains more history than the Old Testament. But Greek mythology contains a lot of historical fact as well. The Trojan War is fact, but the stories that tell of the Gods` involvement in the war is obviously embellished myth.
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    swemmel1971 Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    Because the Bible isn`t fiction.......
    and to think you lot have Nukes.... scary..
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    schuey63 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    Because were not bated in the street and various other places by morons telling us what we should think and do according to a greek scripture! As far as im concerned it took us a lot very long time for any human to realise religion is bullpoo! In time it will deminish and vanish! Have faith in that atheists......doh!
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    ancient aliens already covered this

    and what sent shivers down my spine is how many civilizations documented the great flood as well as have a serpent who gave knowledge to the people.
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    nikkypickles Female 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    I think the problem with religious people and atheists alike and their clash is that they take their opinions (right or wrong) and PUSH THEM IN OTHER PEOPLE`S FACES. If you believe, then do so and leave me alone. If you don`t believe, then don`t and leave me alone. Thank you.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    More fascinating than the stories in the Bible are the ones declared to be heresies and tossed out. It`s a completely different view of Christianity and Jesus than the form that eventually won out. If you`re interested
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    There`s a reason they`re called `faiths` and `beliefs.`
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    ivran Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    Also, atheists are far worse about forcing their opinion on you than religious folks are, in my opinion. Just believe in what you believe in, don`t worry about others` beliefs.
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    bataleon27 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    @ivran - but what makes one more believable or worthy of your faith than the other?
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    Who says they`re assumed as on-fiction? Whose telling YOU to believe in religion? The only reason nobody worships Zeus anymore is simply because there`s no Zeus church to go to.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    In the Bible all people and places have been verified. The things we can`t prove however, are what was said exactly and what happened exactly. To say there is no truth in it is to be naive.

    To say Jesus didn`t exist is to say the Roman Empire was bad at what they do, like taking census, or executing people. They kept very detailed records and were known for being ruthlessly efficient.

    This is why I believe in Christianity, because I personally was lied to my entire life about a lot of things, finally finding some truth in this world made a difference.

    Saying the bible is fictional is like saying any history book is, because men have f`d with it for their own personal gain. Doesn`t mean there still isn`t some truth left over.
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    kawawakaba
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    EgalM

    Talking donkeys and snakes, men walking on water and dead rising from the ground are not historical facts. Many fiction stories include names of real people and places. And the FACT is that bible "facts" often don`t coincide with historical reality (like the census that never occurred at the time of Jesus birth or the fact that Herod was dead by the time the historical figure Jesus was born). The fact is if you believe in the 100% veracity of the bible, then you are still being lied to
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    techgeek07 Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:56 pm
    I lean to the atheist side but seriously, as long as people aren`t trying to cram their religion down my throat, I say find what makes you happy and go with it.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    The difference between me and religious bible thumpers? I do what`s right no matter what any 2000 year old book says. They`ll do whatever a 2000 year old book says regardless if it`s right. When you`re capable of thinking for yourself instead of ignorantly and blindly following something based on "faith", let me know. "Faith" is the old and tired excuse from people that know nothing about their own religion. "Faith" is a lack of evidence and I`m tired of people thinking it`s noble to blindly believe in something like that should be admired. That`s stupid.

    And Ivran, Atheists push their beliefs more? Are you kidding me? Stem cell research? Abortion? Gay rights? Yea...totally bro.

    You can believe in rocks as long as you don`t throw them at me, but that`s clearly not the case at all. Take the blinders off. If anything, that fact that Rick Santorum is THIS close to getting the presidential nomination is evidence enough.
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    Simbosan Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:03 pm
    Is this an example of Christians trying to think again? "There are myths therefore my particular religion is incontravertible fact???"
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:06 pm
    This is too short to make any sense, utter fail.

    idk about the comments, I`m guessing it`s the usual combo of Christian-bashing and Christian-supporting, with the usual cast of charecters...
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    tsheriff Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    at least greek mythology makes sense
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:18 pm
    And b is responsible for the deaths of millions despite never being proven.
  43. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    When it comes to The Bible, I`d say both atheists and Christians really need to understand historical context and perspective.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    This is too short to make any sense, utter fail.
    1 + 1 = 2 is too short to make any sense, therefore it must be wrong. Fail!

    Trollfeeding aside, I don`t get why this was posted.

    We`ve had so many anti-religion posts here, if you haven`t crossed the fence yet, another post isn`t gonna do it.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    If given the choice, I`d take hellenism. With so many gods there is less chance of wanton destruction. I`d like to think that they keep each other in check, unless of course Zeus runs some sort of totalitarian regime.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:37 pm
    there`s a lot of stories from the greek hymns to the gods based on historical events haha
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    at least greek mythology was cool
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    I wouldn`t say that the Bible has NO Factual evidence.. They have found lost cities in the same places described in the Bible.. But yea 6 years at a Christian High School got put in its place after one semester in a World Religions Class in College..

    There are cities in the places described in ancient Greek religion, too. As with the ones from Christianity, some have since been abandoned and some are still in use.

    If I was to say that I had felt the presence of Eru Iluvatar in London and had witnessed a miracle there, would the fact that London exists be any evidence at all that the creation myth written by Tolkien is history and the religion he made up for his stories is true?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 3:21 pm
    and what sent shivers down my spine is how many civilizations documented the great flood as well as have a serpent who gave knowledge to the people.

    Why?

    Flooding has been a major issue for humans since before civilisation existed and became an issue of towering importance with the invention of farming. In many places, the most fertile farmland is very prone to flooding. So of course there are many stories of floods and they`re all great floods to the people who lived in the area affected by it, which was the whole world to them. We`re talking about stories going back to when a settlement of 1000 people was an important city. Even a couple of square miles of flooding was a great flood.

    There are also many stories of many animals bringing knowledge to humans. Or, often, supernatural beings who have taken the form of an animal.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    To say Jesus didn`t exist is to say the Roman Empire was bad at what they do, like taking census, or executing people.

    How on earth do you arrive at that conclusion?

    They kept very detailed records and were known for being ruthlessly efficient.

    True. And there are no extant Roman records of Jesus. There are extant Roman records of Christianity as early as the 50s, but none at all of Jesus.

    That doesn`t prove he didn`t exist, of course. The vast majority of Roman records no longer exist, not even in the form of copies, and there wouldn`t have been much record of a minor troublemaker in a province that was full of them.

    But your claim that Jesus is proven to have existed by the fact that the Roman empire was often efficient is simply weird. There`s no connection between the two.
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    nayrbarr Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    @Selous, Just what I was thinking. Some really cool stuff happens in Greek Mythology, but all of the good stuff got cut from the Bible before printing made it easily available. There used to be dragons and all sorts, but it`s boring as anything now.
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    TkA Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    Guilt can make people feel offended. The Holy Bible holds the truth that mankind is guilty of offending the holy and just ways, with their own ways of greed and ignorance. It`s maybe only a question of if the next step is to harden the heart against this feeling of guilt, or to learn from it humbly. We can all become upstanding citizens, being excellent and admirable to one another is a strong trait for the human race.

    http://www.LittleScroll.com
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    tehbionic Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    "at least greek mythology was cool"
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    If given the choice, I`d take hellenism. With so many gods there is less chance of wanton destruction. I`d like to think that they keep each other in check, unless of course Zeus runs some sort of totalitarian regime.

    The ancient Greek religious stories say he didn`t. King of the gods, yes. Absolute dictator of the gods, not even close. Consider the story of the Trojan war, for example. Zeus` power as king of the gods was enough to enable him to refuse to take sides in the argument between 3 other gods. That`s not totalitarian power, not by a long shot.
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    It`s because christianity is newer and it`s the in religion right now.
    In a few years both will be myth, but a new one will take it`s place.
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    Byfield Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    Come on, for goodness sake, Im agnostic right now (after being informed that what I believe is against my religion) and I have to say, Ive never cared. Live and let live. atheists do as they do, we christians do what we do, and we both shove it down each others throats. What are we trying to achieve?!
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 4:54 pm
    Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus` mother "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucifed, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.

    Now let me tell you about this Jesus guy... oh wait! I already did.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    Sorry, but Christians are far worse than anyone when it comes to shoving religion in people`s faces. Get out of the government, get out of politics, get off billboards, get off television, get out of the educational system, quit ringing my door bell, quit telling me what the drat people can do in the bedroom, etc. Tell me when atheists match that and beyond otherwise STFU and don`t even compare your bullpoo to what atheists do.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    "Also, atheists are far worse about forcing their opinion on you than religious folks are, in my opinion. Just believe in what you believe in, don`t worry about others` beliefs. "

    I`m fine with people believing what they want. But they use their beliefs to affect people who don`t believe the same as they do. Our country makes policies based on Christianity even though it says right in our constitution that that can`t happen. People continue indoctrinating young kids with their anti-science beliefs. People continue spreading anti-gay hate and try to control what`s going on in people`s bedrooms.

    When religious people stop trying to screw up everyone and everything else, then I`ll leave them to their beliefs. But I don`t see why atheists are expected to stay quiet when religious people continue to be loud and force their beliefs onto us.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    "Also, atheists are far worse about forcing their opinion on you than religious folks are"

    Really? You believe this bunk? Drive down the street count how many religous messages and how many atheist messages you see and get back to me.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 5:03 pm
    Otto67, LillianDulci, Swoop408.....

    +1... +1 for all of you...

    No.... +1,000,000...
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    "To say Jesus didn`t exist is to say the Roman Empire was bad at what they do, like taking census, or executing people."

    Jesus MAY have existed, but now show that any of his supernatural abilities were real.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    just because it`s now called Greek Mythology doesn`t make it mythological. there are some stories in Greek Mythology that are almost identical to Christian stories. almost all religions (save Buddhism and others if there are any) are all focused on the same god anyway...they just explain their events differently and, for you atheists, have different "main characters".

    as far as who is worse at shoving their beliefs down another persons throat its a tie. ive seen people who would rather cut their throats than rather just let you believe in a god. and ive seen people who would rather cut YOUR throat. if you believe no skin off me...if you dont...no skin off me. its good enough for me to know that i believe.
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    HOBOMOE Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    Christianity is another creation myth. Get over it.
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    356094 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    I am 100% in support of aggressively ending all religion worldwide.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 6:59 pm
    Why would Christians be offended? Isn`t it plainly self evident that it`s a bunch of fairy tales? It`s like telling a toddler that there`s no santa, not quite fair, but they`ll learn the truth sometime, and better now than when they`re praying for exam results that they didn`t study for, or a dying relative that refused medical treatment. That`s assuming they`re not killing muslims for picking the wrong fairy.
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    Justahuman Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    Jeremiah 33:22 Predicted that the stars in the sky cannot be numbered.Greeks thought they could count them all.... Job 26:7 tells of god holding the earth in space on nothing (gravity) greeks said it was Atlas.There is a passage in the bible that says the earth is a sphere.Greeks thought it was a Disc.Remember that the bible was dated to 200 B.C from the discovery of the dead sea scrolls.This is the difference with the bible and greek myth.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    356094: you`re an idiot...

    Draculya: you`re mother doesn`t exist :|
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 25, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    Justahuman: Wow. The ancient Greeks were one of the most advanced civilizations this planet has ever seen. Nice cherry-picking.
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    GasMaskKid Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 7:15 pm
    @Justahuman

    actually, the greeks did not think the earth was a disc, as mentioned in your comment. as a matter of fact, they knew it was a sphere, and even did an impressive and fairly accurate job finding the circumference. they also advanced math and the study of numbers more than any other ancient civilization. meanwhile, the christian church has suppressed the advancement of science throughout history time and time again.
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    Naitsirhc88 Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    The Christian God Assimilated all the other gods and added their distinctiveness to his own. Resistance is futile. Now stand still while I bible-smite you.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 8:01 pm
    "Jeremiah 33:22 Predicted that the stars in the sky cannot be numbered.Greeks thought they could count them all."

    Look at the sky in an area mostly clear of light pollution, and try to count them all. It`s a pretty basic observation that counting them all is unlikely. It`d be far more impressive if your holy book said the exact amount of stars, since there is a finite, though ever-changing, amount even if it`s impossible for us mere mortals to count them all.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 8:08 pm
    LillianDulci: not to mention that most/all the stars we see are already dead anyway...
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    exactly, the most simple explaination of religion. and still people just tell me i`m going to hell and suffer for all eternity
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 25, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    "as far as who is worse at shoving their beliefs down another persons throat its a tie."

    How many atheists have come knocking on your door?
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    February 25, 2012 at 9:42 pm
    Why is this????
    ALLEGORY. Famous Christian authors like Edmond Spenser and Shakespeare often allude to Greek mythology because the stories may contain truth and beauty despite the fact that they may not be factual.

    Hey GasMaskKid, you use the christian church like it is one unified group. Catholicism has been in favor of science time and time again. The father of Genetics was a Catholic. Sir Issac Newton was Catholic. Jesuit schools have a strong emphasis in science. Catholics try to use science to disprove miracles. They have let
  77. Profile photo of Solvent
    Solvent Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:14 am
    QUICK SOMEBODY HAS AN OPINION LET`S ARGUE
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:20 am
    wtf cant everyone just do their own poo and not shove it down ANYONES throat? Religious, Atheist or Spaghetti monster worshiper??
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:23 am
    Actually, Justahuman, the Bible says that the Earth is flat, rests on waters, and is under a dome (known as the "firmament") that has water above it (where rain comes from), with stars attached to the inside. Also there`s that whole "Sun revolves around the Earth" thing.

    At least the Greeks actually knew that the Earth was a sphere, and even estimated its diameter fairly well. Heck, the Greek Aristarchus of Samos actually proposed a heliocentric solar system.

    You might want to brush up on your history and Biblical cosmology there.

    So, now that you know that you have your facts completely backwards, does that mean that you will draw the opposite conclusions from those facts than you had made previously? Of course not. Facts are only important if they support your dogma of choice, right?
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:34 am
    Why did I click.. I knew exactly what I was getting.

    IAB, make me laugh or something. Thanks
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:44 am
    I had no idea Justin Bieber posted here.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 3:20 am
    Religion is for people who can`t handle reality.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:40 am
    HiEv: the Bible says that the Earth is flat, rests on waters, and is under a dome....

    The Christian bible says no such things. What you are referring to is found only in the book of Enoch, which was rejected as not biblical even by the Jews themselves.

    So you`re being disingenuous at best.
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 6:01 am
    I`m a panentheist who happens to believe in Ascended Masters, and the Great Year cycle.
    Historically, the Bible was written by Greeks...who happened to have a penchant for tall tales. But, a lot of their stories were grounded in some truth. The saga of Troy really happened...but, was there a giant wooden horse? Probably not. Did Achilles fight in the war? Quite possibly. Did his mother dip him in the River Styx when he was an infant, making him invulnerable? Quite definitely not.
    So...did Jesus exist? Quite possibly. Did he make a dead man rise from the grave, and make the blind see? Probably not...but, he did teach a great message to the people,and helped Israel overthrow Roman rule (after a couple hundred years).
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    spuddington Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 6:20 am
    why is it that someone has to always be right? why cant we believe what we want and not be told were wrong? like your religion is none of my business, im not going to tell you your wrong. just not my place to comment. like i dont force my beliefs on anyone else, but i will get rightly P.O`d when people force theirs on me or tell me what i believe is wrong. why cant we just mind our own, and if something different comes along, just say cool.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 6:37 am
    @spuddington except when all religion is laughably wrong?
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    panzerlancer Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 8:02 am
    i worship the flying marshmallow pillow cushion....please respect me
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 9:56 am
    Otto67: none. just like i havent had people with religion come knocking on my door.

    that doesn`t mean i dont know bible beaters or logic beaters. all im saying is that with my 20 years of experience of being alive i`ve known both sides to be equally bothersome, annoying, ignorant, and arrogant.
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 10:38 am
    why is it that someone has to always be right? why cant we believe what we want and not be told were wrong?

    My philosophy as well. I really don`t give a rat`s ass what other people believe. Their personal beliefs are between themselves and their concept of God. Unless Zeus himself comes down and says, "Worship me!" it`s all just a point of conjecture. The only soul you should have to worry about is your own. and do what you need to do to bring inner peace.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 11:19 am
    Collegebound:

    The reason you have not had an atheist knock on your door is `they don`t`. I have Mormans knock on my door at least once a year, and throw in the occasional Jahovas Witness and then local congragations looking for new members and it happens 3-6 times a year. Never had an atheist in my 45 yrs.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 11:35 am
    "why is it that someone has to always be right? why cant we believe what we want and not be told were wrong?"

    Because what people believe have real consequences and beliefs are not all are equally reasonable...

    There are religious people I have talked to who think people should be put to death for blasphemy, homosexuality and other transgressions. Yes they are the extremes, but even seeming innocuous beliefs have consequences. In the US, Republican John Shimkus (R-Ill.), who sought the Energy and Commerce Committee chairmanship, maintained in 2009 that we do not have to worry about climate change because God promised in the Bible not to destroy the world again after Noah`s flood.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 11:41 am
    Otto67: im not saying that members of various religions DON`T go door to door looking for new members. im saying that:

    A) its not happened to me from either side.
    B) if either of them ever do im not listening to them. ive got religion. thats good enough for me.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 11:48 am
    Because it is 100% fact that it is a requirement that you must be ignorant to be christian. I am not ignorant, thus through people forcibly teaching me about the bible i realized `hey this is all just a story book. i`m not going to spend every sunday talking about a storybook that isnt even very good.`
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    maggierose78 Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:28 pm
    I just got through study Mythology in my Humanities Course. It is quite interesting. Myths (not indicating whether something is fact or fiction) have four purposes (1) to express humanities fear and wonder of nature, (2) myths help explain the creation of the universe, (3)myths offer a moral guideline that should be followed, and (4) myths give instructions on how to contend with crises.

    The flood (which is depicted in the picture above)could be from Gilgamesh and Noah. In Gilgamesh (a mythological story) the main character wants immortality, he finds Utnapishtim (a man that the God`s gave immortality to) after he survived a flood that the gods (out of their own self interest) created. However, I do not believe that they offered a covenant with man that they would not flood the earth again. It is an interesting story if you haven`t read it.
    It is amazing of the similarities. As a Christian I found it interesting because it offered a second account of the story of the
  95. Profile photo of maggierose78
    maggierose78 Female 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    Both the story of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah were very interesting because they validated one another, and in all honesty we do not know which one occurred first, and we do not know how long the floods happened. In fact, as far as we know, this could have happened millions of years ago. Although, yes I know homo sapiens didn`t arrive on the scene until what 15 - 20,000b.c. I do not know the exact time.

    That being said it is quite interesting to see the similarities. As a Christian it validates my belief that the flood story occurred, but for atheists it validates that the flood stories are fake. But as my professor indicated a mythological story does not mean that the particular story is fake, but that it contains certain elements that makes it a mythological story, and it has nothing to do with the validity of the facts behind the story.
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    Because people would rather their entire lives as idiots than to once, just once, admit they had been misled and were wrong.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    We Jedi are unbiased in either direction
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    Colors Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    I am a christian, and for us we know Jesus to be real by the miracles he preformed. Believing in the bible is where faith comes into play. People have there own beliefs though, and are entitled to those. So, if your not Christian then that`s fine, but I don`t see the point in bashing religion.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    Crakrjak: "The Christian bible says no such things."

    So... I guess you haven`t actually read the Bible?

    For example, Genesis 1:6-8 talks about God creating the firmament, where he separated the waters into "the waters under the sky" and the waters over the sky.

    In Job 38:38:12-13 it talks about " the earth by its edges and the wicked out of it" Even in the New Testament, in Revelation 7:1 it talks about angels standing at the four corners of the Earth. You can`t have four corners on a *sphere* (oblate spheroid, if you want to be precise).

    So this is a flat Earth with water above the sky that they`re talking about, unless you`re going to go through the logical gymnastics that some go through to deny that.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    (addendum to my comment below)

    Oh, and I neglected to mention the geocentric universe that the Christian church enforced as dogma for so many centuries due to their interpretation of the Bible. I don`t really need to point out that that was true as well, do I?

    Seriously, Crakrjak, you`d have to be wearing some pretty huge blinders to have missed that fact. (Though your posts here suggest that you *do* have a pretty big blind spot for facts you don`t like.)
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    DShephard Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    Oh for f**ks sake is there still arguments over Noah`s Ark?
    The WHOLE world wasn`t flooded, just the areas rimming the Indian Ocean (read: the whole world to those living there at the time). Other cultures in the area (East Africa, Bangladesh, etc) all have similar flooding stories that match up with the timeline.
    Now for the cause of the flooding: a meteor that hit about 100 miles off dead center in the Indian Ocean. Which would have caused "flooding in the underlying areas for a little over a month." The meteor left Burckle Crater in the sea-bottom.
    The fact that Noah foresaw the flooding with the building of the Ark, and gathering the (local) animals into it was the miracle.
    That`s the most scientifically and sensibly valid hypothesis of what happened that I`ve heard.
    As far as I`m concerned; Case Closed.
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    TkA Male 30-39
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    February 26, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    HiEv: we do use 4 corners on a sphere: north, south, east and west on the world.

    We all can see the world needs more love, and Christ said "love one another", so we should do!
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    February 26, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    Ugh. Smug athiests are more annoying than bible-beating christians.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 26, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    HiEv: You`re misinterpreting it. The Hebrew word, raqiya, means “expanse”, basically that means the sky. Clouds are made of water vapor and are the `upper` waters. The clouds do act like a shield or `dome` that both holds in heat, like a greenhouse, and protects us from the suns radiation.

    Also, there was nothing in the bible to support an earth centered solar system, other than tradition established by the Catholic church.

    Your posts here suggest that your sources are atheist based misinterpretations of the bible and books that aren`t even part of the bible.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 12:45 am
    Both the story of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah were very interesting because they validated one another,

    How, other than both containing stories about major floods and divine intervention (which appears in very many old stories)?

    Although, yes I know homo sapiens didn`t arrive on the scene until what 15 - 20,000b.c. I do not know the exact time.

    Nobody does, but what`s currently pencilled in as most likely based on current knowledge is much older than that. ~150,000-200,000 years ago for the first humans, ~60,000-70,000 for the first ones to leave Africa.
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    SapphireHart Female 18-29
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    February 27, 2012 at 5:59 am
    There are so many things wrong with this that I don`t even know where to begin.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2012 at 7:15 am
    I just got through study Mythology in my Humanities Course.
    Oh, boy. Armchair first-year classics.
    As a Christian it validates my belief that the flood story occurred, but for atheists it validates that the flood stories are fake.
    No, what validates for me that it is fake is that the volume of water indicated in the story of Noah is simply not feasible. Where would all of this water have gone exactly? Did God unplug the drain?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    February 27, 2012 at 7:26 am
    Other cultures in the area (East Africa, Bangladesh, etc) all have similar flooding stories that match up with the timeline.
    Funny, but I don`t recall anything in Egyptian records from that time describing a flood. If there was and I just haven`t come across it then please enlighten me.

    Now for the cause of the flooding: a meteor that hit about 100 miles off dead center in the Indian Ocean.
    Somewhat plausible. However, the volume of water necessary to cover Mount Ararat, where Noah`s Ark supposedly landed after the flood, in 40 days would require over 400 feet of water per day. Also, if the Indian Ocean was the source of the water, why didn`t all freshwater aquatic species die?
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    x13purplesta Female 30-39
    235 posts
    February 27, 2012 at 8:46 am
    @ Otto67: the part about the Republican senator scare me. I can`t understand how a grown man with any amount of power would even think it`s OK to say that out loud! And obviously, god lied and broke the so called covenant many times since then. And I`m sure people will say the people in New Orleans and Japan, for only two examples, deserved it. To which I say... if you supposedly have free will...why does god interfere to punish people on a massive scale?. WHy doesn`t he tell his faithful.."hey, a Hurricane is coming...it`s time to gtfo of there but don`t tell the gays and atheists". He`s a mean god. Or he can`t because he doesn`t really exist. I choose option 2. I`m much better off without him either way.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    February 27, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    @Crakrjak: "You`re misinterpreting it."

    No, I`m reading it as it was understood mean before science proved that it was wrong.

    What you`re doing is reinterpreting it to fit the current science, which is not how it was originally meant.

    For example, "raqiya` - firmament (of vault of heaven supporting waters above) considered by Hebrews as solid and supporting `waters` above" (source)

    As for there being nothing in the Bible supporting geocentrism, again you`re wrong. For example, Psalm 104:5 says, "[God"> set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Similarly, see I Chronicles 16:30. In other words, everything moves around the Earth. These passages and others have been used to support past doctrines of geocentrism.
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    PhotoKing Male 30-39
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    March 2, 2012 at 11:15 am
    they have to act offended. they might not go to heaven otherwise. if there was no hell or heaven - would there be Christianity? would anyone care so much?
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    mixtlino Male 18-29
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    April 1, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    blablabla polytheism vs. monotheism blablablabla first efficient cause blablabla ontological argument blablabla

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