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121 Responses to Egypt Cleric Calls For Beheading Apostates…

  1. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 11:57 am
    Link: Egypt Cleric Calls For Beheading Apostates... - ..should be as easy as unbuttoning their shirt.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    If you see this as a muslim, doesn`t it make you feel like you`ve chosen the wrong religion? Then you go see other religions and see all these mythologies have crazy sh*t going on...

    That`s why I`m an atheist, I was born in a very catholic family, raised catholic although I must admit, unlike most catholics I actually read the bible (but just once). The very next day I was an atheist.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    All religious fanatics sound nuttier than squirrel poo.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    Reminds me of creationists.

    Well no, that`s not fair. These guys are even more insane. Same garbage though.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Religion is religion weather it be Christian, Jewish or Muslim or any other religion. There is always a large faction that takes it to the extreme. There is always a large faction that follows the book to the letter, and seeing how the books were all written thousands of years ago, the results are alway archaic and brutal.

    Hating Muslims for this type of outburst is no different than hating Christians for the knobs over at Westboro Baptist. They are one and the same. Fanatics that insist on remaining in the past and doing what ever they can to stop the human race from moving forward.

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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    this guy needs a little more fiber in his diet...

    as much as I DO NOT agree with the death penalty we still only use it for people that commit the worse types of murder...not for people that have a different religion.

    so this guy is basically saying, being an infidel is akin to being a 1st degree murderer...

    this is NOT Islam and those that follow Islam need to shut people like this up.

    until the peaceful followers of Islam start protesting people like this their religion will continue to be define by these firebrand extremist.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    He seems liek a cheerful guy. I bet he`s great at parties..
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    Someone should check his ass... I think he`s got a huge stick stuck up there.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    patchouly: Right on.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    @pactchouly

    I agree, with the addition that non-religous groups also have the crazy section in the back that are making them look bad.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    Another case of shameless pandering by Middle Eastern politicians
  12. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    Death is the stated sentence for apostasy in Islam, so people who say this is NOT Islam are just plain wrong.

    It`s not what most Muslims agree with, but that`s not the same thing. Most Muslims are at least reasonably decent people, so they gloss over the evil, brutal savagery in their religion and pretend it isn`t there. Same goes for Christianity and Judaism, unsurprisingly.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    What`s white and sits ontop of a pile of s**t????




    This guys hat :-p
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    Ozmose Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    Thanks for linking us to that video.
    We`ve probably all just been added to the FBI watch list.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 1:11 pm
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    He`s only saying what Sharia Santorum and the American Taliban wish they could say in this country.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    "Islam is tolerant... but we cannot tolerate what is wrong."

    Ah, yes, so tolerant in fact they only tolerate things they agree with.

    This is not shocking or new to any religion. Hopefully someday all religion will look this ridiculous to everyone.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 1:20 pm
    @unmercyfuldu

    And hopefully soon.
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    funnehkitteh Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    why can`t this guy just fall down a well
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 3:03 pm
    What a pleasant man.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 3:35 pm
    And hopefully soon.
    50 years is my estimation. It`s rather pessimistic, but I`ll still be around to see it.
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    techgeek07 Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    This is the happiest man I`ve ever heard speak
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    Yo Bro, way more than 2 words.

    @the caption writer
    I don`t know how you unbutton your shirts, but I find that if you cut off the buttons to unbutton them you go through shirts REALLY fast.
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
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    February 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm
    relgion bores the poo out of me. its time to get rid of non-nice individuals like this. keep your fairy tales to yourself.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    Angilion: Sorry Angilion, I don`t see or hear Jews or Christians on TV calling for the beheading of atheists or those of other religions.

    And the rest of you, trying to equate Christians to this muslim barbarism are totally out of line.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    Sorry Angilion, I don`t see or hear Jews or Christians on TV calling for the beheading of atheists or those of other religions.

    Of course you don`t like Angillion said: "so they gloss over the evil, brutal savagery in their religion and pretend it isn`t there"

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 4:48 pm
    Cajun: We don`t `gloss over` anything.

    I`m guessing you are referring to the first 5 books of the bible where there was a lot of killing and wars. I`m sorry but Christians don`t teach their children to kill other human beings, like many muslim schools do.

    Lumping all religions into the same bucket is like saying that all atheists are Nazi eugenicists waiting for the day to put all theists into prison camps.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    i can`t listen to that monkey gibberish. just nuke the continent already.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    @CrakrJak

    AND New Testament (and no not just Revelations)

    Lumping all religions into the same bucket is like saying that all atheists are Nazi eugenicists waiting for the day to put all theists into prison camps.

    Nobody mentioned dharmic religions so that point is moot.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 5:26 pm
    Angilion: Sorry Angilion, I don`t see or hear Jews or Christians on TV calling for the beheading of atheists or those of other religions.

    I`m sorry you`re either making stuff up and pretending I wrote it or you didn`t read what I actually wrote. Also, you clearly haven`t read your own bible or made any study of history.

    Or you`ve convinced yourself that what you want to be true is true.

    Feel free to try to make a counter-argument to anything I`ve actually written.
  31. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 5:30 pm
    Of course you CrakrJak don`t gloss over anything; God as your witness, can you say the same for the rest of the world`s Christian population?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    Cajun: We don`t `gloss over` anything.

    I`m guessing you are referring to the first 5 books of the bible where there was a lot of killing and wars.

    Which most Christians gloss over, even when there are direct orders from their god to go slaughtering.

    People who actually read my post will see the connection.

    Then, of course, there`s the blood-soaked history of Christianity. So no, it`s not just in the beginning of your bible. It`s in the real world too.

    You`re glossing over it right now.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 5:33 pm
    I`ll come back in the morning
  34. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    Just in case anyone is wondering: yes, the Christian bible does assign the death penalty to apostacy and yes, the Christian church used to kill people for it.

    So, either most Christians nowadays are glossing over it or they`re supporting it, because it`s in their bible and it`s been Christian policy in the past.

    I don`t see a lot of support for it amongst Christians, so I`ll stick with my assertion that they`re glossing over it (along with all the other evil, brutal savagery in their religion).
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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    Welcome to the CIA`s christmas card list, douchebag.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    I`m happy to do a side by side comparison of Crakrjak`s posts, to this guy`s.

    So far your response to seeing soldiers kick around the heads of Afghan children they literally hunted was to complain about the media covering it.

    The reason I dislike you Crakr, is because you remind me, of this guy. You`re soulmates.

    Whilst I`m in here, as a Muslim, posting in favor of Gay marriage, against the death penalty, against war, and defending Christianity against spurious attacks, you do nothing but confirm others` suspicions of the Religious stereotype, terrified of the world around you, be they Muslim, Mexican, Gay, or Liberal.

    Crakr, you will always resemble the Muslims you post about, more than any of the Muslims I know.

    That should tell you something.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 7:31 pm
    Oh, and by the way to anyone who`s going to complain I didn`t answer the OP, I`ve been doing it for years.

    Here`s the chapter on Atheists in the Quran.

    The only punishments in the Quran for disbelief, even apostasy, is in the hereafter.

    The Quran doesn`t allow for the killing of non-combatants, neither do the Conditions of Jihad, or the rules of war found in the Hadith.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    The funny thing is, we gave these types of idiots weapons. Its like giving a sharp stick to a 3 year old, they`re only going to hurt themselves or someone else with it.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 8:36 pm
    @Crakr
    k fine, without even touching the bible...
    the KKK, WBC, the crusades, jesus camp, o`reilly, kent hovind, pat robertson, ted haggard... need i continue?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 10, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    About this whole "a few radicals" vs "all of muslim world" thing...

    Those few radicals seem to always get control of their governments. Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban, Al Quida etc. There is no compromise or diplomatic reasoning with them. The only path left is harsh, brutal, physical force. Not this pussy warfare we`ve been waging where we don`t want any casualties. Germany surrendered because the people were beat into submission by carpet bombing their cities. As long as the people support those "few radical" the problem continues.

    I wish I could see another solution, but alas, I do not.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 9:52 pm
    The only punishments in the Quran for disbelief, even apostasy, is in the hereafter.
    If that`s true, then how do you explain the video?
    I`m sorry but Christians don`t teach their children to kill other human beings, like many muslim schools do.
    I`ll grant you that... I suppose.
    Lumping all religions into the same bucket is like saying that all atheists are Nazi eugenicists waiting for the day to put all theists into prison camps.
    *facepalm* But not that.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    Not this pussy warfare we`ve been waging where we don`t want any casualties.
    Careful now... that almost sounds hateful.

    I don`t like the ME, nor any religion, nor any corrupt regime, but I would never think that carpet bombing cities is the right answer.
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    swoop408 Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    @I-IS-BORED

    Those are some extreme groups(non violent mind you), right wing conservatives, and a historical event that happened hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Here we are, today.

    The difference being is this radical could come spew that hate and filth here in America without the consequence of some undignified and humiliating public death. None of us could do that over there.

    I don`t believe in religion anyways. Everyone`s crazy in my book.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    [quote">The only punishments in the Quran for disbelief, even apostasy, is in the hereafter.[/quote">

    Probably, but there are verses someone could interpret that way if they wanted to:

    9:66 An unspecified punishment.
    9:74 An unspecified serious punishment, possibly for slander, possibly for apostasy - they did both and the two aren`t seperated.
    16:106 An unspecified serious punishment, but a couple of verses later refers to the afterlife, so maybe the punishment is then.

    And, of course, there are hadith very clearly stating the death penalty for apostasy.

    I found this theological argument compelling:

    An Islamic Perspective

    I`ll quote the relevant bit in another post - running out of characters in this one.
  45. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 10:49 pm
    It is a significant fact that the Book of God does not prescribe any punishment for apostasy. Many Muslims would immediately say, The Qur`an does not tell us everything. We need to go to the Hadith to find guidance on matters not touched by the Qur`an. But while this is true of matters of detail, this is not true of fundamental issues. God knew that while the Qur`an would be preserved faithfully, the authenticity of ahadith will remain subject to doubts in most cases. Therefore, he would make sure that all the basic teachings would be included in the Qur`an while leaving some details to ahadith so that the size of the Qur`anic text remains manageable for memorization.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 10:49 pm
    The punishment for apostasy is not a detail that we can expect God to leave for ahadith, especially if that punishment is death, since taking the life of a person, if done without a just cause, is regarded by the Qur`an as tantamount to killing all human beings (5:32). Even lesser penalties for theft (cutting of hands, 5:38), illicit sexual intercourse (100 lashes, 24:2), and unsubstantiated accusation of adultery (80 lashes, 24.4) were not considered by God as matters of details to be left to the ahadith. Therefore there is no reason why God would consider the more serious penalty of death for a more serious sin of apostasy as a matter of detail to be left to ahadith.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 10:50 pm
    However, while I consider that a compelling argument, obviously not all Muslims do. Even today, Muslims have been killed for apostasy.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2012 at 10:58 pm
    Those few radicals seem to always get control of their governments.

    Religion is the most easily used, most powerful tool for extremists to get power. It`s not the only one, but when it`s available it`s the best one. That`s especially true of the Abrahamic religions because they are so power-orientated and intolerant.

    Of course, the people who most want power and are most willing to do anything to get it are the extremists. If the religion has enough power, they will be running it and they will be using it to run countries. It doesn`t matter if most of the theists of that religion, even most of the clerics of that religion, are decent people - they`re not the ones running the show. For example, what would have happened in late medieval Europe if a gentle parish priest went up against the Inquisition?
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2012 at 12:17 am
    durka durka
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 12:24 am
    I think he has anger management issues. "WoooosahhhHHH"
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 12:38 am
    Angilion: All of human history is `blood soaked` even atheist history, the difference is that Christianity DOES NOT TEACH VIOLENCE. Christians learned from history, muslims are still stuck in history.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 1:00 am
    Baal: [quote">The reason I dislike you Crakr, is because you remind me, of this guy. You`re soulmates.[/quote">

    Bullsh|t, I`ve never advocated violence, beheadings, terrorism, or anything of the sort. I`m not `terrified of the world around` me, not building a bunker in the basement, nor s survivalist stockpile.

    Your vision of me is an illusion you`ve built up, because you are scared. I guess you think I`m a gun toting `cowboy` willing to nuke Iran and thus irradiating your country across the Strait of Hormuz.

    I can counter your koran quotes one for one anytime. Like this one and this one.
  53. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 1:07 am
    Baal: Most of us here are just `Kuffar`, to you. It is allowed in the koran to lie, cheat, steal, and even kill disbelievers. It`s even allowed to trick people into believing islam and when/if they try to leave, threaten them with their lives for apostasy.

    The cleric in this video would even have you beheaded for your stance on gay rights, defending Christians (although I`ve yet to see you do that), or being politically liberal.

    So, for you to say that you fear me, as much at the nutjob in this video, is totally beyond all reason. You have more familiar, more numerous, and far more radical people, in your own locale, to reasonably fear.
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    Sam1002 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2012 at 1:53 am
    @CrakrJak

    Do you know anything about Islamic history? You`ve just quoted passages from the Koran from the time when Muhammad was at war with the Meccan tribes, and of which only apply to those tribes that were persecuting and ill-treating Muhammad and his followers at that time.

    Muhammad Opposition
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 2:21 am
    If you have ever known someone who is into network marketing, if they attend at least one meeting a week it is all they can talk about. Each week they get pumped up and brainwashed through repetition. Seriously it is all they can talk about. It is no different with religion.
  56. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 2:27 am
    Sam1002: The passage does not mention any specific people except disbelievers/kuffar.

    Mohamed started off peaceful and ended up a warlord. The koran is clear that if one passage seems to contradict another, although muslims will claim there are no contradictions at all, that the latter passage is the correct one. Since Mohamed`s jihad is the latter, those violent passages abrogate the previous peaceful ones.
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    Sam1002 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2012 at 2:37 am
    @CrakrJak

    Yet in your first link there is a conversation between members of the Arab tribe and Muhammad:

    (And they say: "O you to whom the Dhikr (the Qur`an) has been sent down! Verily, you are a mad man! Why do you not bring angels to us if you are of the truthful`` We send not the angels down except with the truth (i.e. for torment), and in that case, they (the disbelieves) would have no respite!)﴿
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    Sam1002 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2012 at 2:47 am
    @CrakrJak

    In addition to, that your second link includes quotes in the past tense, and again is talking about the time when Muhammad was alive fighting against the Arab tribes who were oppressing him and his followers.

    The majority of the Koranic quotes are revelations that apply to that period in Muhammad`s life.
  59. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 3:42 am
    Sam1002: All disbelievers are the same, according to the koran. You don`t sincerely believe that this only applies to arabs do you ? The clerics preaching islam today certainly don`t believe that the only `disbelievers` that applies to are arab ones.
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    Sam1002 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2012 at 5:49 am
    @CrakrJak

    No, I did not say that. I`m referring to the Arab tribes that were persecuting Muhammad at the time he received the Koran. They were the non believers.

    You seem to misunderstand what most parts of the Koran actually are. They are based on revelations that Muhhamad received during the time of his persecution from the Meccan tribes and the following wars that preceded that. It also includes a guide for people on how to be a good person, lead an honest life and stay close to God. A Muslim who is not like this is not following Islam.
  61. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 6:39 am
    Sam1002: I seriously doubt that beheading disbelievers, killing their children, raping their women, and making the rest pay you `Jizya` to exist, is being a `good person`.
  62. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 6:59 am
    the difference is that Christianity DOES NOT TEACH VIOLENCE

    correction: Christians DO NOT TEACH VIOLENCE, Christianity DOES TEACH VIOLENCE.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 7:02 am
    The clerics preaching islam today certainly don`t believe that the only `disbelievers` that applies to are arab ones.

    There you go again making blanket statements, there are clerics who do and clerics who don`t. The former overwhelmingly outnumber the latter.

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    Damshek Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 7:04 am
    Don`t forget to donate to MEMRI today!
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    Sam1002 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2012 at 7:19 am
    @CrakrJak

    Hence my comment, that if they aren`t a good and honest person then they aren`t following Islam. Simple
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    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
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    February 11, 2012 at 8:56 am
    Why would they want us to donate?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 10:15 am
    Cajun: Name me one violent quote from Jesus Christ.

    You can`t, because he wasn`t violent.
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    uunxx Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2012 at 10:17 am
    CrakrJak: oh come on, just read this book
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 11:10 am
    "And I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes where as flame of fire and on his head were many crowns and he had a name that no man knew but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven followed him on white horses clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations and he shall rule them with an iron rod, and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." (cont)
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 11:16 am
    "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. And I saw an angel standing in the sun and he cried with a loud voice saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of Heaven, "Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God, that ye may eat the flesh of Kings the flesh of captains and of mighty men, the flesh of horses and them that sit on them and the flesh of all men both free and bond both small and great." Rev. 19:11-19:18

    Hippy dippy turn the other cheek Jesus got a real makeover in Rev. didn`t he huh?
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 11:20 am
    And then of course there is that whole, "I have come not to bring peace, no but a sword" quote that everybody always uses from the Gospels, but hey I thought we could spice it up just a tad with Revelations. Really get the blood flowing, so to speak...
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 11:22 am
    Ok, so Islam calls for executing apostates. This is news? We always knew that Islam was a totalitarian and barbaric religion.

    I`ve been skimming the comments, and the contradictions that the neo-liberals are making baffle me. On one hand, they condemn Christianity (for good reasons), but on the other hand they`re so sympathetic to Islam.
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 11:27 am
    Kill anyone that disagrees with you... gotcha!
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 11:34 am
    No Archer I don`t condemn Christianity or any other faith on the whole, when good people follow the best instincts and legacies of their faith tradition, whatever that faith tradition, when they are spiritually mature people, that is a very beautiful thing.

    I only take issue when those beautiful traditions get warped and mutilated by people driven by baser concerns and existential insecurities so great they start harming others.

    In other words, don`t get your hopes up, I`m not agreeing with Rand that Christianity is foolish and obsolete because it has Compassion as a cornerstone and "sacrificed the Perfect for the sake of the less than perfect." An attitude she simply could not understand.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    QueenZira: That`s in Revelations, John wrote that while he was imprisoned in Patmos. Revelations is prophecy about the future, it`s a long way from happening, and the only ones left here on earth will be the armies of satan, when it does.

    And the other quote was about families that would reject those that would follow Jesus.

    Either way, Jesus did not teach violence.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    Revelations is prophecy about the future

    So Jesus is going to go from nice, to bloodthirsty? That`s REAL comforting.

    And the other quote was about families that would reject those that would follow Jesus.

    Your point?
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    Crakr you`re making excuses. If Rev./Gospels only apply to the poor saps *who don`t believe* sometime in the future, John, Patmos ect. that`s a condition then. Much like the condition specified by Muslim posters herein when they say certain passages in the Quran only applied to Muhammad and his battle against the Quraysh.

    And I don`t know about you, but saying Jesus isn`t going to slaughter anyone *today* doesn`t exactly make a great argument that xians don`t condone violence. No Prince of Peace I know wanders around in a blood trimmed cloak, sword bemouthed at the head of an army...
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 12:48 pm
    Come to think of it, Rev. may just be the best example of contrarian xian attitudes on violence we have. The whole book is an orgy of war, blood and suffering at the hands of God interspersed with horrific LSD inspired imagery that could only come from a desperate frightened mind locked in a cell somewhere. And lo and behold it was.

    Every faith "tribe" if you will at some point in it`s history succumbed to it`s dark side. And it`s just plain myopic to claim that only "Those People, That Tribe over there, are the barbarians with stained hands, only they made the mistakes and we didn`t.`
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    ...and yet if an apostate were to behead him, he would undoubtedly feel ill-used.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    I can`t believe in organized religion because of all the harm that is done it its name. The most spiritual people I know don`t follow a religion. Their relationship is between themselves and god. The only use I see in religion is when it gets people off drugs and alcohol. But they are just replacing one addiction with another.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    Sharia is just bad news for everybody...theres so much to be said it cannot be typed into a box such as this.
  82. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    I thought we could spice it up just a tad with Revelations.

    I think Revelations was written under the influence of potent hallucinogens and was a very bad trip.

    Anyone who thinks I`m joking should read it. Seriously, it`s deranged.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    Crakr: "And the other quote was about families that would reject those that would follow Jesus."

    Kinda like quotes in the Koran about those that don`t follow Mohommad?
  84. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    jtrebowski: No, not the same at all.

    QueenZira: The whole sword in the mouth prophecy is seen by most as Jesus, who is the word of God made flesh, destroying satan`s armies with his voice.

    John seen things in his visions that he had a hard time expressing in 1st century terminology. The closer we get to the time of it occurring the more clear his prophecy becomes.
  85. Profile photo of I-IS-BORED
    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    @Crakr
    yup no violence taught by the bible at all, none whatsoever
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    Genesis

    Because God liked Abel`s animal sacrifice more than Cain`s vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8

    "I will destroy ... both man and beast."
    God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17

    "Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
    God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4

    "All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
    God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
  87. Profile photo of I-IS-BORED
    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household because the Pharaoh believed Abram`s lie. 12:17

    God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10

    Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6

    "I will not destroy it for ten`s sake."
    I guess God couldn`t find even ten good Sodomites because he decides to kill them all in Genesis 19. Too bad Abraham didn`t ask God about the children. Why not save them? If Abraham could find 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or babies, would God spare the city? Apparently not. God doesn`t give a damn about children. 18:32
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8

    God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

    Lot`s nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

    God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe`s lie. 20:3-7

    Sarai tells Abraham to "cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands him to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14
  89. Profile photo of I-IS-BORED
    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac`s throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13

    Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10

    Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31

    "The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." 35:5

    "And Er, Judah`s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God`s wrath? The Bible doesn`t say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7
  90. Profile photo of I-IS-BORED
    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother`s wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother`s wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

    After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24

    Joseph interprets the baker`s dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker`s head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19
  91. Profile photo of I-IS-BORED
    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    God brought a seven year, "very greivous" famine on the whole earth for no apparent reason (except maybe to make Joseph wealthy). 41:25-32, 54
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 9:01 pm
    I don`t even see a point in going on to the rest of them.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    I-IS-BORED: Way to spam the post with Pre-Christ bible verses. Christians do not teach violence, Christ did not teach violence, that doesn`t mean that violence doesn`t exist or has never happened.

    You can foist your false narrative all you want, but it`s totally off base and not Christian teaching.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 9:42 pm
    @Crakr
    ah, "My god no do the bad stuff he say he do in his book"
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 1:09 am
    You can foist your false narrative all you want, but it`s totally off base and not Christian teaching.

    I`ve not yet heard a Christian saying that their god was wrong to do all those things (and the others like them). Are you going to be the first?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 2:19 am
    Angilion: It`s not wrong for God to punish sin. Wouldn`t you punish your child if they took a hammer to your laptop ?

    The false narrative that was posited is that God is evil, `wrong`, or does `bad stuff`. Trying to place humanist values onto God is stupid beyond belief. Your saying that God must play by human rules ? Wrong. That`s like the ants telling us that we must follow their ant rules.

    So unless you`re willing to live by the ants rules, telling God he`s evil because he won`t follow our rules makes you just as evil for not following the ants rules.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 5:23 am
    Wouldn`t you punish your child if they took a hammer to your laptop ?
    If I gave them a hammer and my laptop to play with, probably not. It would be my fault, not the child`s.
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 7:03 am
    it is like crakrjak says, we are slaves to God, and God is our master. If a slave told the master what to do, what would happen? Whether we like it or not, that is reality.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 8:42 am
    akabane: I never said that. We are not `slaves to God`, we have free will, we are not puppets on strings.
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 10:32 am
    well, we have free choice, not free will. If we could will anything, then we could break the laws of the universe. We choose to obey our master, or to disobey.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    poonoodle: Again, revelations is prophecy written by John, and hasn`t happened yet.

    It also wasn`t until Jesus that anyone was assured a place in heaven, not even high priests could make that boast.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    Wait a sec.. did he just delete his post ?
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    poonoodle Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    Yeah, I did. Sorry, I`m new to posting here and I`m trying to get italics to work. Here is the post so people know what you are replying to. I didn`t know you`d be that fast.

    Christ did not teach violence <--supposed to be italicized. =)

    "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." Revelations 2:22...Quoting Jesus

    Just sayin.

    And I believe that it wasn`t until gentle Jesus meek and mild that we had the idea of eternally punishing the dead for not guessing the correct mythology to follow.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    Angilion: It`s not wrong for God to punish sin. Wouldn`t you punish your child if they took a hammer to your laptop ?

    I wouldn`t kill everyone in the same town for it, because I`m not a deranged mass-murdering sociopath.

    But that`s not the point. Your bible says that your god did many things that very much go directly against what you say Christianity is about. That is a massive contradiction in your argument. You cannot resolve that contradiction.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    I never said that. We are not `slaves to God`, we have free will, we are not puppets on strings.

    A slave has free will. Their owner might kill them for using it, or for failing to anticipate their every whim, or for being in the same town as someone who maybe did something wrong, or as a message to other slaves, or for not being submissively obedient to the extent their owner demands, or for any reason. Just like your religion says your god did, over and over again.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    Actually, it is inaccurate to say that your religion has us as slaves of your god.

    In some cases, slaves had some rights.
  107. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    I`m new to posting here and I`m trying to get italics to work.

    It`s an IAB special. The italics tag is quote, not italics or i.

    So text in italics here

    and remove the asterisks, obviously.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    I can`t believe that Liam Neeson said he wants to convert to Islam. It is obviously satanic in nature.
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    poonoodle Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    It`s an IAB special. The italics tag is quote, not italics or i.

    Thanks for the heads up, Angilion.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 5:45 pm
    Angilion: Once again, applying human rules to God is stupid, as stupid as ants applying rules to you.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm
    Angilion: Once again, applying human rules to God is stupid, as stupid as ants applying rules to you.

    There are 3 sections of my answer to that:

    1) OK...so you can`t claim *anything* for you god. No mercy, no love, no kindness...*nothing*. All our definitions of anything not strictly physical are applications of human rules.

    2) I`m not talking about your god. I`m talking about you and the massive internal inconsistency in your argument.

    3) I certainly do apply human rules to alleged gods. If they exist, they might be able to compel my obedience through force. If they want my respect, they must earn it. They do not do so by being petulant psychotic mass-murdering nutjobs who make the most unstable drug-crazed gang leader look like a paragon of virtue.

    And if ants were sentient, they would be right to judge humans. But they`re not. So it`s not a legitimate comparison.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2012 at 2:31 am
    if ants were sentient, they would be right to judge humans.

    And there it is, Hubris, your pride won`t let you believe in a God, or you feel you`re morally superior to one.
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    Izaq Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2012 at 6:54 am
    Blahblah death, torture, murder and destruction blahblah to please Allah the MERCIFUL...

    Right...
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    Blah blah blah kill kill kill hate hate hate etc etc etc. This guy said nothing whatsoever about religion, nothing at all. It was a political speech about tyranny and demagoguery. It wouldn`t surprise we in the least if he had concentration camp/gulag plans in his briefcase.....
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    Hey look, an Islamic version of Fred Phelps!
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    panda_chaos Female 18-29
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    February 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    Why does he have a cup of his own urine next to him...?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    And there it is, Hubris, your pride won`t let you believe in a God, or you feel you`re morally superior to one.

    So that`s all you got, one final ad hominem? You might as well concede the argument.
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 2:50 am

    3) I certainly do apply human rules to alleged gods. If they exist, they might be able to compel my obedience through force. If they want my respect, they must earn it. They do not do so by being petulant psychotic mass-murdering nutjobs who make the most unstable drug-crazed gang leader look like a paragon of virtue. *i hope this works*

    So, for every breath you take, and for blink you make, or when you sleep, your body works even though the brain is resting, this isn`t enough of a reason to respect a god? That, if you commit a sin, you still have a chance to redeem yourself, and if you do it in private, it isn`t exposed? That is not enough?
  119. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2012 at 10:41 am
    Cajun: Not ad hominem, he believes he`s morally superior to God.

    "You sharpen the human appetite to the point where it can split atoms with its desire; you build egos the size of cathedrals; fiber-optically connect the world to every eager impulse; grease even the dullest dreams with these dollar-green, gold-plated fantasies, until every human becomes an aspiring emperor, becomes his own God... and where can you go from there?"

    John Milton, Al Pacino, Devil`s Advocate 1997
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    Crakr:

    1)you said Hubris
    2)The argument was not about Angillion in the first place, yet you debated him and then got to a point where you couldn`t refute his points and then item #1 happens.

    Thus it is Ad hominem.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    February 14, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    But man has almost constant occasion for the help of his brethren, and it is in vain for him to expect it from their benevolence only. He will be more likely to prevail if he can interest their self-love in his favour, and shew them that it is for their own advantage to do for him what he requires of them. Whoever offers to another a bargain of any kind, proposes to do this. Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which you want, is the meaning of every such offer; and it is in this manner that we obtain from one another the far greater part of those good offices which we stand in need of. It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity, but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages.

    -Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations

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