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Date: 02/12/12 09:51 AM

46 Responses to Crosswind Landings During A Storm At Dusseldorf

  1. Profile photo of Student_Law
    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 9:52 am
    Link: Crosswind Landings During A Storm At Dusseldorf - Don`t watch if you have a flight booked in the near future.
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    MrAtari Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 9:57 am
    fly like a boss
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    boredisfun Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 9:59 am
    Actually i think it`s kind of reassuring to see how well these guys (or autopilots, i don`t know) can land these massive things with adverse conditions.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 10:09 am
    Some of those were top quality landings under the circumstanes. What`s the problem?
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    Buzzard250 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 10:12 am
    doesnt really freak me out its like flying a huge glider
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 10:17 am
    Props to the pilots. I know next to nothing about flying, but from watching *Air Alaska* on Netflix, I can tell you the landing technique they`re employing is known as "crabbing." It`s tricky because you have to straighten out just before the gear touches the runway--otherwise you`re likely to snap the gear off or go off the runway.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 10:21 am
    I`ve experienced a few really hairy landings, and even being a fairly frequent flier, landings like these are still pretty scary.
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Notice all the cleanest landings are Air-Berlin planes? Those Luftwaffe genes still flow...
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    geckohead Female 50-59
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    February 12, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Amazing piloting.
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    RCola Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 10:41 am
    Those were all very safe, easy landings. My heart rate would still be high if I were a passenger, but for no good reason.
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 11:02 am
    That`s why we pay `em the big bucks. Keep on rollin.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 11:03 am
    That`s how planes land in heavy crosswind. It`s perfectly safe. Silly IAB poster...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 11:46 am
    LazyMe: The first time you look out your cabin window and see the runaway heading toward you, like that, you might have a different opinion on how safe it is.

    I know the pilots are well trained, but it still takes balls of steel to land like that.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    Its always very cool to see it, but interest lacking without some 80s backing music!
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    "That`s how planes land in heavy crosswind."

    There is another way. If the crosswind is very high, it may be better/safer to land on the opposite runway. Though you may lose the headwind (a bit of lift) you also greatly reduce the crosswind. Though at busy airports pilots may not always have the option of requesting this.
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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    I landed at DUS 11 hrs ago :) It wasn`t that windy, fortunately.
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    swiftkeys Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    Why didn`t any of them crash? I think I missed the point of this video.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    some fine piloting skills we`ve just seen
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    Lillim Female 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    @swiftkeys- the crosswinds are trying to push the planes sideways off the landing strip area, so pilots have to come in at a ridiculous angle, then straighten out just as they touch down or else they`ll crash.

    Congrats to the pilots who made these landings, that`s impressive.
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    talon0325 Male 40-49
    382 posts
    February 12, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    I want to hire that pilot. That was a nasty crosswind. And for those of you that have no idea. It`s like pulling into a parking spot at 100 kph while sliding sideways on ice and not missing the spot.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 3:32 pm
    why is there a 10 min. video of standard landings at dusseldorf airport on IAB?? It`s just a little crosswind..
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    Thonious Male 40-49
    987 posts
    February 12, 2012 at 3:35 pm
    @ swiftkeys
    Sometimes we enjoy other people`s successes more than their failures.
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 4:42 pm
    ....skilled pilots are skilled....
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm
    I`m flying to Houston next week, and not a single f*ck will be given.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    do you notice what`s going on from inside the plane?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    "Ummm, stewardess: Why are we approaching the runway sideways?" LOL
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    polglowa Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    skilled pilots are not skilled. take offs and landings are all performed by the on board computers. pilots are actually just there as back ups in case the computers fail.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    That`s nothing you should see some of the Kai Tak videos.

    Polglowa a 747-400 lands at about 155 kts and the max crosswind component is 25 kts, giving a maximum crab angle of 9 degrees. If it gets close to the max crosswind component or if the winds are variable, they should land manually. I reckon most of these aircraft will have landed manually.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    I don`t know what made my palms sweat more, that or the 1800 ft. radio tower climb. Also, does anyone know how often the tires get changed on the aircraft?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2012 at 8:28 pm
    skilled pilots are not skilled. take offs and landings are all performed by the on board computers. pilots are actually just there as back ups in case the computers fail.
    Utter bollocks. Although the in-flight piece is handled by autopilot largely, the takeoff and landing are almost entirely manual (with help from instrumentation, of course). You`re implying that if the pilot and co-pilot both died (which has never happened on a large-scale commercial flight), the plane could land itself, just by computers.

    It coundn`t.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    To clarify, the 25kt max crosswind component is the Autoland limit.
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    wickedsngr Female 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    Polglowa... so you`re a little bit retarded, eh?
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    OpsAss13 Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2012 at 12:31 am
    Thanks for the video Bacon_pie. It made me shat myself
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    pigsnout5 Female 18-29
    546 posts
    February 13, 2012 at 12:48 am
    i commemorate these pilots. this is very difficult to do especially right at the end when you have to straighten the wheels out (trust me, i`ve taken a crash course in `how to fly a plane` when getting my gliding license). way to go!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    February 13, 2012 at 12:49 am
    Davymid, a modern autopilot can land the plane. If both pilots were somehow incapacitated, the computers could land the plane. It`s not optimal, but it`s a better solution than trying to talk a non-pilot through the landing.

    A pilot`s answer
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2012 at 12:56 am
    Out of interest, how much of a wrong angle can you get away with when actually touching down? I`m guessing it`s almost nothing, but I don`t know.
  37. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2012 at 3:14 am
    @Angilion The max crosswind component depends on a table in the pilot`s operating handbook of each individual aircraft, but as a rule of thumb, most aircraft can land in a X/W of about 20% VS0, the stall speed. I think for the 747-400, it`s about 30 knots.

    The dangerous bit is the touchdown, when you transition from crabbing down the runway to straight travel. If you get the downwind wing too low, you drag the outboard engine cowling on the runway and that grounds the aircraft at best. At worst everybody dies in flames.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2012 at 5:19 am
    Wierd.. I`m flying in and out of DUS this week - for a second I thought the booking cookies were in cahoots with IAB..

    As for the actual landings, meh, looks like fairly consistent cross winds, its the gusty stuff that`s unpleasant.

    Nice view of how flexible the whole structure is though - just as well it has regular inspections for stress fractures. Imagine what would happen if a wing fell off!
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
    1010 posts
    February 13, 2012 at 6:16 am
    Kudos to humans, that`s what i think. I mean these pilots are not scientists, and commercial air traffic is nothing new. Though smart engineering and well trained pilots deserve respect, I like the thought that this is something we do on a regular basis all over the world every day. Jumpin` up and down in huge monstreous machines, going around the planet like it`s nobody`s business :-)
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    February 13, 2012 at 11:02 am
    This should say DO watch. that way you can see the incredible skill and feats of engineering involved in flying you around, and feel safer.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    February 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    With a small plane you keep it lined up with the runway and bank into the wind; then you put it down one wheel at a time. With a big jet, though, they can`t take putting all the weight down on one wheel. You crab into the wind, kick the rudder to straighten it out at the last second, and put both main gear down together.

    The Condor pilot wasn`t that great, but hey, any landing you can walk away from, right?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm
    Draculya:

    My question wasn`t clear. I was wondering about just the final touchdown, when you`ve turned from crabbing along in the air above the runway to making physical contact with the runway itself. Obviously the ideal is to have the plane precisely parallel to the runway when you touch it, pointing exactly straight down the runway. My question was how far you can deviate from *that*, e.g. what if you hadn`t fully turned the plane from crabbing partially sideways against the wind before touching down, or you overcorrected and swung a bit the other way? Say, for example, you were crabbing at 9 degrees and touched down at 5 degrees instead of 0 degrees. Do the wheels on the landing gear swivel? Could the plane remain balanced moving on the ground at an angle? Or would that cause what you mentioned - one wing dipping and the engine cowling dragging on the ground?
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    February 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    Looks like someone designed their airstrip wrong.
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    MattPrince Male 40-49
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    February 14, 2012 at 12:04 am
    Angillion - the wheels are skidding at touch down not rotating, so there`s a lot of play allowed at the initial point of contact, also there is presumably an element of self correction if the rate of descent is low and the horizontal aspect of the plan is level, in that the drag on the rear wheels being behind the CoG have a straightening affect.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    February 14, 2012 at 5:32 am
    polglowa

    Why post about something you know nothing about?

    No aircraft can legally take off using autopilot.

    What about the aircraft I fly that have no autoland facility?

    As it happens autolands (Cat IIIB approaches) are rare. The aircraft must be equipped for it, and the crew trained for it. All associated equipment must be functioning correctly (no MEL restrictions). If LVPs are not in force at the airport the crew must request autoland - aircraft on the ground must then be held at the Cat III holding points, and if there are aircraft already beyond that, holding at a Cat II or Cat I holding point, then no autoland can take place.
  46. Profile photo of InTheNameOf
    InTheNameOf Male 30-39
    335 posts
    February 14, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    Nothing broken, nobody hurt. I don`t see any issues here. Crosswind landings can be challenging...and fun!

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