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50 Responses to 2011 Nikon Small World in Motion – 1st Place

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    February 8, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    Link: 2011 Nikon Small World in Motion - 1st Place - The video by Anna Franz shows ink injected into an embryo. Is it wrong to kill a chicken embryo to win a prize I-A-B?
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    I eat adult chickens, so no.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    Is it wrong to kill a chicken embryo to win a prize I-A-B?
    Haha! I dare someone to say yes to that. What a silly question.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 4:12 pm
    I`m sorry, did she kill an important member of the chicken species? chickens are killed every day for far less than a beautiful explanation of a scientific process.

    Sorry to chickens (and vegans), but I bet even chickens don`t care.
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    Gottamgear Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    jendrian in this case it wasn`t done to give you a "beautiful explanation of a scientific process".
    LillianDulci in this case it was`t done to feed someone.
    It wasn`t done for scientific research either.
    It was done to win a prize in a photo/video contest.
    Would you react differently if it was a cat or dog embryo? If so why?
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    I don`t see what was so first place about that - I saw a much better one in the suggestions.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    I don`t know about Gottamgear but I saw how the embryo manages to feed on the surrounding material so. I believe that`s fairly scientific, although it was done for a prize. It`s like saying that this picture

    isn`t a beautiful scientific explanation of something just because it was used in a contest.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    Wow... so pretty much anyone really has a shot then.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 8, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    I swear to GOD if any of you PETA loving pro-abortionists go "poor chickie!"
    I will come over there and smack you!

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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 5:00 pm
    @Gottamgear - So what? It`s not like I eat chickens because I have no other option. I could just eat plants if I wanted to. Maybe it wasn`t done for research, but it was done to artistically explain science. And it`s for a prize, so again, so what? It`s wrong for anything to be done for a prize or something?

    Now, this wouldn`t really work for a cat or dog embryo, considering they don`t lay eggs. But if somehow it was humanely obtained and they decided to use the cat/dog embryo for this, then I`m perfectly fine with it. It`s not like cats and dogs are endangered species that need to be protected.
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    Gottamgear Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    jendrian, I never said that it wasn`t a "beautiful explanation of a scientific process". I said it wasn`t DONE or MADE for that purpose. I have no issue with it showing a scientific process but knowing it was done for a prize makes it far less noble, don`t you think? If it fed someone or helped in curing a disease, it wouldn`t be considered wasteful.
    This movie demonstrates the power of the heart and the complexity of vasculature of the chick embryo (words of the photographer)
    You didn`t answer the question,"Would you react differently if it was a cat or dog embryo? If so why?"
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2012 at 5:13 pm
    It sickens me.

    Abortion sickens me greatly more.

    I respect abortion as being sometimes necessary to protect the life of the mother and I concede that it is her right to decide whether to carry the child for whatever reason.

    I would not want to watch a close up endoscopic or ultrasound video of an abortion, be it a womb or an egg.
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    angelo0317 Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    That was awesome. I would love to see one done on different animals, or even a human baby.
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    mcmals Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 5:59 pm
    how is killing a chicken embryo any different from killing a live chicken for food? If you have a problem with this then you better be a vegetarian
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 7:05 pm
    What


    the
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2012 at 7:40 pm


    Did not need to see this.
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 8:16 pm
    People have really got to get over the "every single tiny little minute life is so super totally important and sacred" thing. I sincerely hope the people who genuinely have a problem with this do not lethally smack down mosquito in the summer.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    @Gottamgear. Fine I`ll answer your question: NO
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    Pretty cool to see.

    I don`t know how I feel about embryonic cells being life or just soul-less clusters. I know I just watched something die though.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 10:18 pm
    @xelous; well it`s pretty easy to figure out if you completely get rid of the concept of a soul. What`s a soul? are they destroyed or recycled? Is there any proof they exist? Do ALL living things have one? If yes then what about the individual cells of your body?

    The concept of a soul doesn`t really make much sense in the realm of science so, I guess it`s just a growing husk of cells that would`ve made a chicken at some point.
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm
    Who says the ink killed it? I mean ink gets injected into us when testing is done all the time so what makes anyone think that the ink killed this embryo.
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    junkaddy Female 30-39
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    February 8, 2012 at 10:39 pm
    That`s effed up. Soul or not, that embryo died for nothing more than a video contest.

    Anyone else watch the one in the suggested videos about the ants and the sugar water? That was pretty neat.
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    Theyoyoguy Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 10:57 pm
    Guys, stop sympathizing over a drating chicken embryo, WE`RE (in part) CARNIVORES, we cant have feelings for our PREY. Christ.
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    zombieraptur Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2012 at 11:34 pm
    This is cool. I dont see why anyone is mad...if your mad at this you should also be mad if they posted and omelet and i have never seen someone get mad over good breakfast
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2012 at 11:59 pm
    "Who says the ink killed it? I mean ink gets injected into us when testing is done all the time so what makes anyone think that the ink killed this embryo."

    It`s de-shelled and had a big slug of ink injected into its circulatory system.

    I guess we can call you an optimist.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 9, 2012 at 12:18 am
    "i have never seen someone get mad over good breakfast"

    Feast your eyes on this recent youtube video then:

    v=Ycl3a7SV7o0

    Please: Nobody other than zombieraptur should view it. To summarise, it`s Apocalypse Now bacon edition and no amount of eye bleach shall suffice.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    February 9, 2012 at 12:20 am
    yes, it is wrong.
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 2:55 am
    amazing. and no its not wrong. i eat eggs all the time. anyone who thinks this is (wrong) needs to grow a pair. this kinda stuff gives us a better working knowledge of how the human body works..
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    PhotoKing Male 30-39
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    February 9, 2012 at 4:28 am
    it technically is wrong. and when you eat an egg, it`s not typically living. because your killing or hurting it for amusement, which is what this is. where as abortion is the stopping of bringing life into this world when you weren`t planning on it. and preventing future suffering. the equal would be to abort the fetus so you can eat it, and become super strong from the stem cells.
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    Smutleybutt Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 5:08 am
    Do the people who are saying "I eat eggs everyday" realize they are eating unfertilized eggs and not live embryos?
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 5:28 am
    not immoral, i call "science!"


    also...
    @Draculya AND ALL OTHER IT MAY CONCERN ABOUT LINKS.

    LOOK AT THE COMMENTBOX. LOOK. LOOK AT IT. NOW BACK TO ME, NOW BACK TO THE BOX.

    there`s a link button there. you click it and you can submit a link to something you are refering to or whatever. stop sending cryptic links written like you are trying to cheat the system. IAB ENDORSE LINK SHARING
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 9, 2012 at 6:02 am
    Just to be clear, I don`t object to this on ethical grounds. I don`t care about the prize or that they killed an avian embryo.

    It just killed my appetite for eggs for awhile.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    February 9, 2012 at 6:39 am
    Chickens <> Humans
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 7:02 am
    I eat chicken all the time--this one isn`t even old enough to get ground into paste for McNuggets.
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    Jesus_Wey Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 8:20 am
    Wow now that`s really sick. If you`re not going to eat, why kill it?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 9, 2012 at 8:35 am
    "WE`RE (in part) CARNIVORES, we cant have feelings for our PREY. Christ."

    If your species has the capacity for sympathy with its prey, you aren`t a carnivore.
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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 8:46 am
    @foolsprussia
    Seriously? You believe that?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 9, 2012 at 9:03 am
    "Seriously? You believe that?"

    That part is fact, not belief. We are not carnivores. We have been omnivores through evolutionary necessity ever since we evolved from the other apes.

    Now I`ll tell you what I do believe: I don`t eat animal products because I know that I can survive without them in this society. It would be immoral for an animal to suffer needlessly for me, just as it would be immoral for me to kill a human for any reason other than self-defense.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    February 9, 2012 at 11:52 am
    This is wrong- that embryo may not suffer due to its age (which is the criteria I use) but it has been killed for vanity, not necessity. eat meat by all means, wear fur, but do not make anything suffer in order to do that.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 9, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    "eat meat by all means, wear fur, but do not make anything suffer in order to do that."

    Unless you are hunting the animal yourself, this is a contradictory statement. Most of the animal products you buy (especially fur), come from a great deal of suffering.
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    uhmerikin Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    I didn`t see the heart stop beating, so am I missing something here? How do we know this killed the embryo? Doctors inject all sorts of things into our bloodstreams to help with visualization during scans. Whose to say this isn`t along those same lines and was harmless?
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    Klix Female 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    Sigh...Where to begin *rubs brow*...

    @Smutley: Did you know that sometimes fertilized eggs get through to supermarkets? The checking technique isn`t perfect yet and if you look at the development of a chicken embryo you could be eating a fetus without realizing up to about day seven I`d say.

    @FoolsPrussia: Fantastic definition of carnivore there but here`s the scientific one:
    An animal that feeds on flesh.
    A mammal of the order Carnivora.
    Sympathy has nothing to do with it i`m afraid. And yes society allows us to be vegetarians, fantastic . We can now hug all the fluffy things till our little hearts are content. Too bad no one cares about the insects, lizards, amphibians. You know the ugly non fluffy one`s? Also the fact that soy farms are destroying rain forests and all the fluffy animals that live there. SO veggy or not you`re still killing things just in one respect you`re not eating it so it`s wasted.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    February 9, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    Klix.

    I know what the definition of carnivore is. No scientist in the world is going to tell you that a human being is of the order Carnivora. Even most bear species are not strict carnivores; they are omnivores.

    You have a very cynical view of vegetarianism. Cynicism never accomplished anything great. Nobody in the world can get through life without harming another being, but I guarantee I have a much smaller impact on animals, the environment, and global food supplies by choosing to be vegan.

    I do not eat a lot of soy. It`s not necessary. I have eliminated palm oil, which is in a lot of vegan products, as it contributes greatly to jungle deforestation. The point is that you can live better. I have never felt better about a personal decision that I do about this one.
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    bigwill6709 Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    This is pretty standard procedure for some developmental biology studies. This guy just video taped it
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    Klix Female 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    @foolsprussia: I`m not saying humans are carnivores I`m just saying that we are omnivores thus (roughly) half carnivorous. The fact that we have sympathy for animals is besides that point. ARE we CAPABLE of eating meet? And do most of us? Yes, thus omnivorous.
    And i`m glad you feel better about making that choice however I have made a different one. And `better` is speculative. I can assure you i`m living healthier than you probably are and being anemic I definitely am living healthier personally. What irritates me is that many vegans/vegetarians would be distraught about the ink and this embryo but ok with say killing a fly or squashing a spider. These animals are also alive and are also suffering because you`re annoyed by them. It seems hypocritical to me. I love animals I don`t want them to suffer but I also need meat. I don`t care if nuts can also supply iron I would have to live off the stuff to get anywhere near what I need.
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    Klix Female 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    Also Marco Polo`s cynicism of the world being flat found us the Americas...Just saying. I could list more.
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    PtblDuffy Male 18-29
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    February 9, 2012 at 6:25 pm
    i`m going to avoid the flame war, and just say, cool video. I liked it. I saw the flash of ink and didn`t realize it was the heart for a few seconds.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    ok then...
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    Stand4Christ Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2012 at 10:04 pm
    The first thing I thought when I saw this was, "Wow, the same people that will be upset that this chicken embryo suffered and died are the same people that will defend abortion at most if not all stages of development". Reading comments...

    A couple on the abortion relationship to this video, but not as many as expected. So, I will pose the question that I already know the answer too the few left that will still take a gander at the comments on this post since it is already several days old.

    Medical science is getting better and better and saving premature babies sooner and sooner in the gestational period. So, why are we not, as a society, calling an embryo a baby sooner in that period and outlawing abortion during that time since you would now be murdering a person rather than "stopping a possible life" (still don`t see the difference between that phrase used by pro-choicers and the word murder, really)?

    Not trolling, just trying to mak
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    MorfeuS Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    The Enterprise wish you "happy facepalming"

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