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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    January 12, 2012 at 7:53 am
    Link: Why I Hate Religion - A spoken-word reflection on faith and religion, highlighting the difference between Jesus and false religion.
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    Wundt Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:08 am
    Nice and nicely done, but ultimately a fail. What he is ultimately doing is preaching ANOTHER religion. He also says religion is not faith, but he follows the Bible, which is the basis of religion.

    I heard a Christian like this say, "The Bible isn`t factual, but it is truthful", or, the ideas of the Bible are good even if some of it is mythology. However, this is picking and choosing just like all Christians do. Finding the parts you like, the parts you agree with, and disregarding all of the murder, incest, and violence in the book.

    Ultimately, what he is doing is no different than what all Christians do.
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    356094 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:12 am
    One of the stupidest things I`ve ever seen.
    Life is born out of chaos and chance.
    "god" had nothing to do with it. That`s what makes it beautiful.
    "jesus" has nothing to do with us and that makes us beautiful.

    SCIENCE & RESEARCH FTW.

    That is the ONLY thing worth praising. Not "jesus" and not "god".
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:12 am
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:18 am
    dont hate the religion, hate the people.

    did i get that right?
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    Ant0n Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:19 am
    Religion is fake, but Jesus is real? WTF
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:23 am
    @Wundt, actually, many Christians define "religion" to mean a belief system propagated by a church that teaches that entry to heaven is dependent upon following a set of rules (i.e. Ten Commandments, Leviticus).

    Whereas many Christians define the "gospel" as the teaching that man has been forgiven for all our sins, past, present, and future, and that entry to heaven is granted by God`s grace and generosity. ...and for _that_ reason, Christians` love for God generally causes them to follow many of God`s old rules in their own lives (not in other people`s lives) in order to personally honor Him and His creation.

    That being said, I hate overly artsy stuff like this. Too much metaphor and not enough definition.
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    marcus2 Male 13-17
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:29 am
    This is stupid, here`s why: TheAmazingAtheist rips the sh*t out of this terrible poem.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:32 am
    I found Jesus... He`s a homeless alcoholic that lives in an alley behind the White Castle.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:33 am
    I dont believe in Christianity, but i believe in Christ. I completely believe he lived, had a mother named mary, and was born in a fashion that to be honest, was quite commonplace for that time.

    I also believe that Jesus would be disguted that the things he tried to teach have been so perverted that no one can honestly say what true Christianity really is.

    Hell these people dont even know which bible to stick with.

    The movie Troy put it so perfectly.

    "It is not us who needs to envy the gods, the gods envy us. They envy us because we are mortal, and everything is more beautiful because we are doomed."

    God, or Gods, gave human`s the greatest gift any LIVING thing could receive, and that is the ability to die.

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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:35 am
    I do like this guy`s approach though. He wants to BELIEVE in Jesus but not worship him. He wants to BELIEVE in god, but not let it run his life.

    This is the example of the perfect mix of religion and reasoning that I have been hoping to see. A person with beliefs, without conviction. A person with morals, without obligation. A person living happily under his own standards, without feeling like he has sinned.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:36 am
    "Religion is fake, but Jesus is real? WTF"

    I have always believed it this way.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:37 am
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:41 am
    "Life is born out of chaos and chance. "

    This is only partly true. I think God(s) are born of Chaos and Chance. Life is the result of no chaos. Life comes when chaos finally aligns to a perfect point that life can even take root. Life is not the product of Chaos, but chaos is the product of life.

    Most of you know I dont believe in most religious crap. But when I see the similarities between a camera and our eyes, or when I learn that electricity is what makes the body live, even though we cannot produce electricity at will, or when a body part can be completely and successfully replaced with mechanics, I do have to wonder, if ever so slightly, what team constructed the definition of life as we humans know it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:43 am
    Chocolate Chip Cookies > Buddha > Muhammad > Jesus > Religion
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:43 am
    @Cyber

    That Jesus is WAY too white, lol. He wasnt born in the Rebel south.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:44 am
    Nice try douche, but what you say does not work.

    Almost all of this poem is bullsh*t.

    TAA did an interesting reflection of this video.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:52 am
    Jesus dies and goes up to Heaven. The first thing he does is look for his father, as he has never met the man before and is curious as to what he looks like, and whether or not Jesus looks like his mother or father, etc. He looks high and low but cannot find him.

    He asks St. Peter "Where is my father?" But St. Peter says he doesn`t know.

    He asks the archangel Gabriel "Where is my father?" But Gabriel doesn`t know.

    He asks John the Baptist "Where is my father?" But John does not know. So he wanders Heaven, impatiently searching.

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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Suddenly he sees out of the mist an old man coming toward him. The man is very old, with white hair, stooped over a little. "Stop!" Jesus yells. "Who are you?"

    "Oh, please help me, I am an old man in search of my son." Jesus is very curious. Could this be his father? "Tell me of your son, old man."

    "Oh, you would know him if you saw him. Holes in his hand where the nails used to be, he was nailed to a cross, you know..."

    "Father!!!!!" Screams Jesus.

    "Pinocchio!!!!!!!" yells the old man.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:59 am
    Religion.. Faith.. Both equally stupid and unfounded..
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    nosecret Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 8:59 am
    lazyme, can you clarify what statements of the poem is false?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:16 am
    I think God(s) are born of Chaos and Chance. Life is the result of no chaos. Life comes when chaos finally aligns to a perfect point that life can even take root. Life is not the product of Chaos, but chaos is the product of life.

    This is just rhetorical nonsense phrased in the form of a meaningless tautology. God(s) are born of chaos and chance but life is the result of no chaos? "Chaos aligns"? Contradictory.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:18 am
    it`s a start... religion is killing and will destroy our earth....
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    StickmanJ Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:31 am
    Here`s a fact: Religion has fed and clothed more people on this Earth than the Red Cross... nothing is perfect.
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    bliznik Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:33 am
    @Gerry - hilarious...
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:34 am
    Full of fail. jesus + church = RELIGION.

    Seems the best lie is the one you tell yourself.
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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:34 am
    I like the part where he rapped.
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:41 am
    religion bores me. leave me alone with it already.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:42 am
    "the difference between Jesus and false religion."

    I`m still waiting for the real difference.

    "one is a god and the other a man mad invention"

    no, I`m still waiting.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:45 am
    StickmanJ
    Here`s a fact: Religion has tortured and killed more people on this Earth than the Red Cross... nothing is perfect.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:57 am
    "Religion" is just an abstract noun. Get over it.
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    StickmanJ Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 10:00 am
    Holy... you see that`s the problem - when humans think they know everything, things start getting ugly. God didn`t invent religion... humans did.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 10:42 am
    "I like the part where he rapped."

    Your stupid comment made me giggle for a couple minutes.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 10:51 am
    @pmarren...... MEOW!!!
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    Webz Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 11:21 am
    To people posting the TAA video, it`s very embarrassing to watch. TAA acts all pompous while bringing up the most ridiculous and uninformed points. He doesn`t understand the purpose or meaning of the video at all.

    The word religion used in a Christian context is VERY different from how Atheists use it. This guy is a Christian and is using the word in a Christian way. TAA criticises the video using the word in an Atheist way. The result is hilarious.

    It`s like if a British person said he was going to put his bag in the `boot` (meaning the trunk of a car), TAA would then call him an idiot, and make a 10 minute long youtube video, because there`s no way he could possibly fit that bag into some footwear. That`s how dumb and pointless TAA`s video is.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 11:28 am
    ha... religion on IAB, never saw that before
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    Webz Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 11:30 am
    Just to clarify:

    To a Christian, a `religious` person is someone who is legalistic, believes that faith is all about rules and conditions, has a very narrow view of their faith, and acts egotistic and self-righteous in their faith. Like the pharisees in the Bible who Jesus constantly argued with and condemned (which is why this guy says Jesus and Religion are on two opposite sides of a spectrum). Another example are many Republicans today who believe that voting Republican is an essential part of being a Christian, and that it`s impossible to be a democrat and a Christian, which is ridiculous. That`s why in the video he specifically mentions Republicans. Now go watch TAA`s argument that Jesus had never heard of republicans or elections and realise how irrelevant that is in any way, shape or form.

    The atheist meaning that TAA uses: a religious person is simply someone who worships a deity.
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    AWalrus Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 11:59 am
    Thank you Webz, you summed up my thoughts exactly about TAA`s video. Anyone`s views on the original video notwithstanding, TAA`s response is completely off base with message of the original poem.
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    thatjimguy Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    That was inventive and mondo-cool.
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    LtotheG Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    While I like some of what he says, the essence of what he is saying is: "I`ve got the right kind of religion, and everyone else is wrong". Which is what all religious people say despite not having any more proof or logic in their favour.
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    mackin Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    I like a lot of what he says, but he`s confusing "Religion" for "Christian Churches". Not all Religions are Jesus-based, Christian, Abrahamic, Theistic, etc.
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    jpfu220 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 3:41 pm
    @uplink: Jesus didn`t need to church to be known. Assume he was/is who he said he was/is (which i believe), does he really need people to do anything for Him? He is fully man AND fully God. He wouldn`t need us to do anything. He makes himself known when he wants.

    @LtoftheG: He doesn`t have the "right religion" because he doesn`t have a religion at all. Religion is people following regulations and laws to try to relate to God. Christianity is God coming to people and telling them they are free of those laws and rules. Christianity is a relationship.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    "Jesus didn`t need to church to be known."

    Considering there is no reference to Jesus by a contemporary historian during the time he was supposed to have lived I would say you are wrong.
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    Loxen Female 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    I think this is a more worthy message to listen to:
    Reflect on this one...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    I gave myself to Jesus.
    Now that ass hole never calls!
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    iceblack Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    The description has a pleonasm...
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    justadiver Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm
    It was a little too hip hop for me. But I am glad I listened to the whole thing. That`s the great thing about being a "PROTEST"ant you can have independent thought without canonized guilt.
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    @ LtotheG ""I`ve got the right kind of religion, and everyone else is wrong". Which is what all religious people say despite not having any more proof or logic in their favour" change the word religion to belief, wouldnt that statement describe every side to the whole religion argument? Yes Christians do this(and shouldnt, after all i TRY not to even though i sometimes do) but atheists are summed up in this statement too, but i am wrong for pointing out that side of it i know. Simply i believe in God, i feel Him in my life every day. If you dont, than that is your choice and i respect that. All i am asking is for the double standard to stop. The proof i have of Gods existence is i believe he does, and that is all i need. Atheists proof of no God is no one can show them proof, then so be it. Just please stop with criticizing Christians for doing something "you" do as well "I believe there is no God, You are wrong if you dont agree with me.
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    Piperquinn Female 13-17
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    January 12, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    This was difficult for me to follow..
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    Son of Dr.Suess?
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    LT456 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    This guy in the video said he loves the church. i`m not sure what church he belongs to that isn`t part of a religion. If you profess JESUS is Lord then you`re a Christian, and Christianity is a religion. He wants to break away from relgiion, but he establishes his own rules and criteria for faith, and ironically creates his own "non-religion" religion.

    One good thing someone can get out of this: don`t be a hypocrite. Live what you profess.
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    LT456 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    JESUS established a community of followers. HE said, "If you love me, follow my commandments." A community with certain essential beliefs that follow rules and commandments--sounds like religion to me. JESUS did not create a new religion. HE worked within the context of HIS religion. JESUS had religion. HE was a faithful Jew till the end of HIS earthly life. "It is finished," does not mean religion is finished. It means that GOD has done everything HE could to convince us that HE loves us and begs us to follow HIS commands, which is the key to our eternal happiness. Following a religion is not necessarily equivalent to stray from GOD`s command.
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    LT456 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:31 pm
    There are hypocrites in religions, but there are many saints, and saints are sinners who did their best to follow JESUS. Our religion is a religion of sinners. i don`t know of any religion that doesn`t have sinners. It is true that people think they have to be perfect and holy to be a true member of a religion, but this is not the case with Catholicism. Catholics are mistaken in thinking this. This is why we have confession All the Freaking Time! We know we sin all the time and need GOD`s grace. But there`s a difference between a sinner who sins all the time without trying to be better and one who tries his best but keeps failing.
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    LT456 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Religions are man made in one sense, but they come from man`s desire for GOD and to worship GOD, as it is right to do. And just because it`s man made doesn`t mean it`s bad and it doesn`t mean GOD didn`t inspire it. The Bible itself from which this dude got his quotes was written by man, yet we still call it the Word of GOD. The Bible as we know it didn`t drop out of the sky one day, as you know. People wrote/recited it over thousands of years!
    JESUS was born into religion. HE said, "I come not to abolish the law but to fulfill it." HE observed the rules of HIS religion. Some people abused the rules to make others miserable and to make themselves superior, but you shouldn`t throw out the baby with the bath water.
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    LT456 Male 18-29
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    January 12, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    If you listen carefully, you will realize there are a lot of inconsistencies in this emotionally charged video. There are glimpses of truth, but wrapped up in unsophisticated, pseudo-theological babble.

    It`s hard to tell what he means by religion. He says religion causes war and fail to feed the poor. It`s not religion that causes war, it`s men. WWI, WWII (Nazi genocide), Rowanda genocides, Vietnam War, massacres by Mao, Stalin, and Communists were not caused by religion. The Catholic religion runs more charities and take care of more poor people than any institution in the world. i`m not sure what that guy on the video has done for the poor.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 10:43 pm
    Man doesn`t need a religion to talk to God, if such existts. Religion, in a sense what the guy in this video means, is an organization designed to control masses, to gain power and influence.

    Catholicism and catholic church are two different things, the latter is primarily focused on gaining wealth. Jesus didn`t want us to start these huge organizations, he just wanted us to learn and practice two things: Love thy neighbour and Love God. Everything else is mans own invention.

    Personally, i don`t believe in both nor do i think that it is impossible for such a deity to exist but i do like Jesus teachings. The etchics and morals that "love thy neighbour" or like i have learnt it, love your fellow man really means. Faith or belief is a good thing, churches and religion are inherently flawed...

    Like any religious "bosses" can ever prove they have a mandate from God, they just say to you that they do and you will go to hell if you think otherw
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    January 12, 2012 at 10:45 pm
    LT456

    Really...you need to find something to do with all your time.

    oh and trust me, those of us that know what he is talking about understand exactly what he means by religion.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    And to end my part of that rant, it took me twenty years to get rid of nightmares about armageddon or rapture, name it what you want.. Even when i was dee in religion, did what i was suppose to do, didn`t have impure thoughts i still woke up screaming. Don`t want anyone to stop believing, nor do i want to recommend anyone start believing.

    Oh yeah.. religion also strictly forbids critical thinking and asking questions that might undermine it`s influence. If God exist, i bet he wouldn`t be afraid to have a little rebellion now and again.. Man in the status of holding the power, on the other hand..
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 11:04 pm
    I`m not opposed of similarly thinking people of gathering and discussing their faith. But as soon as anyone in that group starts dictating how the others should behave or think, that group becomes religion.

    And these new atheists should learn to keep their mouths shut. Every half-thruth or complete lie will be proven wrong eventually and when it happens: don`t start mocking "i told you so".. That is just rude. We can`t simply know everything and still we need to function in life with limited information. Then you just have to guess and believe that the guess is somewhat correct and continue making decisions. That`s as close to faith a man can have. It`s the difference that when that guess is proven wrong with enough facts, man has to be strong enough to change his faith.

    I really should get back to sleep.. cantstopcantstopcantstop, i`m probably possessed.. :)hmmm, is possessed with one s or two? posessed... possessed...ah, drat it, i believe it`s with two un
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    CreamK Male 40-49
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    January 12, 2012 at 11:22 pm
    Ih this isn`t divine intervention or what but Fry says it the best. And by coincidencem this is my belief in a letter

    Stephen Fry i2
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    imnakdjumpme Male 18-29
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    January 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    i like the thought of jesus forgiving me for something i did to someone else. thats like me, (a white guy), forgiving other whites for slavery.
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    cheeseb Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    so hypocrisy in the church isn`t a symptom of a system where people worship and order their lives around the concept of appeasing a god that doesn`t exist, but rather that these people don`t try hard enough to appease this god? This guy may have good intentions, but his endeavor is likened unto the Tower of Babylon: it didn`t reach god, not because god isn`t there, but because it wasn`t tall enough.

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