Who Didn`t Know This Was Bound To Happen?

Submitted by: madest 5 years ago in

Big Brother Brazil contestant allegedly rapes housemate. Daniel Echaniz allegedly rapes Monique Amin on live TV.
Credits: Daily Mail
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Male 4,079
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Male 4,079
Spectacular Mountain
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Male 12,365
[quote]Who seriously sleeps through getting raped?[/quote]

Having thought about it, I`d say it was possible. If it was done without force, the sleeping person`s unconscious mind might not perceive it as an attack and they might remain asleep. Maybe.

But add drugs and it`s definitely possible. I`ve "slept" so deeply with drugs that people have cut me open, looked around inside me, moved some of my innards around for a better look and done some cutting inside me, all without waking me up.
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Male 12,365
I don`t fancy watching the video, but the wildly different and conflicting statements about it from people who have watched it interest me.

On the one hand, there are people saying that it`s such low quality video and so heavily obscured that you can`t see anything at all, e.g. "You can`t even tell there is a woman in the video."

On the other hand, there are other people saying you can see everything clearly.

Can`t both be true.

If they were both drunk and consented to whatever actually happened (which is apparently impossible to tell), then it`s not assault of any kind.

If she was unconscious and he wasn`t, then it`s assault of some kind.
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Male 228
Consider one simple fact. The woman never once moves, except when he moves her.

It seems fairly apparent she was unconscious. That`s Rape, plain and simple.

I tend to agree that if someone consents to sex while drunk, it`s not rape, no matter how much they regret it in the morning. But that doesn`t seem to be what`s happening here. She`s literally not moving. The only time her body moves is when he moves her. That`s Rape.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Who seriously sleeps through getting raped?[/quote]

Nobody, obviously. But if "sleep" is being used as a euphemism for "took enough of a drug to make myself deeply unconscious", then it`s a possibility.

[quote]Are we sure this isn`t some bs?[/quote]

No, we`re not. But it won`t matter - a conviction in a rape trial doesn`t depend on what really happened. That`s true of all trials to an extent, but especially so in rape. The guilty go free and the innocent are convicted and nobody really has much idea how often either of those things happens.
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Male 12,365
[quote]That`s not really a possibility. Substance abuse is no excuse for breaking the law, which is why we don`t have people being able to say
Accused-"Sorry, judge, but when I robbed that 7-11 I was drunk"
judge-"Well, boys will be boys."[/quote]

That counters the argument used, but the scenario you`re replying to was about two adults having consensual sex while drunk. You have three choices:

1) Charge them with raping each other.

2) Charge neither of them with rape.

3) Decide who`s a rapist and who`s a victim based solely on whatever irrational prejudices you favour. Sexism is by far the most popular, but any would do. Say, for example, one is Canadian and one isn`t - the Canadian is the victim and the dirty foreigner is the rapist! One`s a Christian and one`s an atheist? Everyone knows atheists are hellspawn, so they must be the rapist! Or use racism, or whatever other bigotry you like. But it is bigotry, foul
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Male 506
I`ve never understood the discrepancy between driving under the influence and consenting to sex under the influence. People make bad decisions either way, but they`re still responsible for those decisions and the consequences of them.
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Male 2,060
Not rape. Maybe not even people. I can`t tell what going on, neither can you. Also, I kind of liked it....
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Male 244
where does the rape come? looks like 2 adults gently fondling each other...
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Male 1,610
Alicesmith12 wins the award for most inappropriately placed spam ever.
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Male 500
lol idkkkkkkkk I didn`t see her not consenting... wheres the audio?
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Male 7,761
zombunny-"Having sex with someone without their consent = rape."

Agreed.

But there are some times when a women, who is drunk and not rational, will say `Yeah Baby!` and when sober will regret it and decide it is `rape`. (rescinding the consent AFTER the fact)

By the same token the man, who is drunk and not rational, will believe the `Yeah Baby!` is consent, and when sober is facing a rape charge. (`but she said "yes".` Well she changed her mind. "When?" A week later.)

The difference? One is held accountable while under the influence, the other is not. (I`m not saying neither should be held accountable, I`m saying BOTH should.)

Reality is: Some men are animals, and are capable of raping women. Also, some women are animals and will lie that it was rape.

The best bet is:
-stay sober enough to keep your wits about you
-hang out with those you trust
-when in doubt, keep your wick dry.
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Female 2,525
"i guess you could say don`t get drunk to the point you are passing out with people you don`t know or trust as well"

Uh yeah, except most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows and trusts.
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Male 771
i guess you could say don`t get drunk to the point you are passing out with people you don`t know or trust as well
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Male 5,811
[quote]If a man`s drunk and has sex with a drunk woman, neither should be charged with statutory rape. As her higher faculties were impaired she could not have consented, but likewise, he could not consider the full legal implications of his actions.[/quote]

That`s not really a possibility. Substance abuse is no excuse for breaking the law, which is why we don`t have people being able to say
Accused-"Sorry, judge, but when I robbed that 7-11 I was drunk"
judge-"Well, boys will be boys."
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Female 2,525
Having sex with someone without their consent = rape. Jesus christ you people are ignorant.
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Male 38,507

Was she so drunk she`s passed out or is she so drunk she`s blacked out? Cause if it`s a drunken black-out, she might have given consent but doesn`t remember the next day.

That poor, poor innocent man acused of rape!
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Male 7,761
Scuzoid-"if you`re over 25 and you didn`t do something you somewhat regretted under the influence of alcohol, you`re not normal."

Nope, just intelligent. Done things I regretted, didn`t require alcohol to do so.

Scuzoid-"It`s normal for a reason"

Sorry, but nothing about getting `blackout drunk` is `normal`. Just stupid.

Scuzoid-"Humans don`t live under bridges Grendel."

Now,THERE`S and inane observation (and a totally incorrect one. Seeing as `some` humans DO live under a bridge, that is easily proven as false.)

Scuzoid-"tweeny who hasn`t gotten this drunk yet, you`re missing out"

Actually, I`m 45, and have not gotten drunk yet (which is not to say I do not drink, because I do, I`m just too responsible to drink to excess.) And no, I`m not missing out. It`s entirely possible to have a great time WITHOUT getting blackout drunk (and, if THAT`S your idea of `fun`, you need to look up th
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Male 1,268
"The woman is clearly unconscious"

Get over yourself. You can`t even tell there is a woman in the video. I suppose CNN shouldn`t report the story either, considering the story has actual information.

I mean really, where were you when the video of the tilted cruise ship was posted? I mean, you can`t tell, but there ARE dead people inside of it. Where`s the outrage over that?
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Male 1,268
Grendel, I get it, you`re a troll and you abhor human contact. Whatever works for you bro, but if you`re over 25 and you didn`t do something you somewhat regretted under the influence of alcohol, you`re not normal. I know you want to think this makes you special as I`m sure you fall under this category, but it really doesn`t. It`s normal for a reason, even though you regret it, it`s still fun at the time. Humans don`t live under bridges Grendel. So yes, if you`re Llamakhan or another tweeny who hasn`t gotten this drunk yet, you`re missing out.
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Female 1,566
You can`t tell anything from this video OR the story. Was she sleeping and he randomly came in and got in her bed? That`s rape. Were they both drunk and in her bed and she passed out in the middle of behavior she was obviously already consenting to? That`s sketchy as all hell but not really rape. This isn`t just a matter of someone possibly being raped, it`s also a matter of someone possibly going to jail for ten years. The footage we will never see will aid in the law deciding his sentencing (if any), all we can do is hope they`re both honest about it.
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Male 7,761
jadedtortois-"If this video isn`t removed within the next 24 hours, I will absolutely never come back to this site."

Life`s tough. It`s not fair and is often cruel.

You have the right to be offended. So what?

Good riddance. (hint: a `threat` is supposed to involve repercussions that others would DISlike)
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Male 7,761
Scuzoid-"get out more and do some serious drinking with close friends."

Why would you adise us to do something inherently stupid that leaves one more susceptible to doing idiotic things? Do you also tell your kids to go play in traffic, with scissors, wearing a plastic bag over their heads?

Scuzoid-"I had no problems at all sleeping through far greater physically violent activities after a blackout binge than mister four incher put this woman through. “

So, because you admit to being an idiot, you believe that others should be just a stupid?

Scuzoid-"real men don`t frack until she begs for it."

This guy wasn`t a real man. Real men also don`t feel the need to partake in `blackout binges`.
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Female 779
If this video isn`t removed within the next 24 hours, I will absolutely never come back to this site. The content has been waining for awhile, but this is the ultimate low.
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Female 779
I am extremely offended that a VIDEO of someone being RAPED is being posted. The woman is clearly unconscious, and has no idea she is being raped. This is just vile, and disgusting.

How dare you de-humanize the situation by posting it like its a LOLZ moment for a drunk girl. drat you guys.
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Male 14,835
"One is drunk, and will be held accountable for his actions. (rightly so)

One is drunk, and will not be held accountable for being an idiot. (not-rightly so)"

Hey, that`s not fair.

If a man`s sober and has sex with a drunk woman, he should be charged with statutory rape. As her higher faculties were impaired she could not have consented.

If a man`s drunk and has sex with a sober woman, she should be charged with statutory rape. As his higher faculties were impaired he could not have consented.

If a man`s drunk and has sex with a drunk woman, neither should be charged with statutory rape. As her higher faculties were impaired she could not have consented, but likewise, he could not consider the full legal implications of his actions.
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Male 718
You know, i remember when RAPE involved um.. struggling? screaming? yelling (NO NO STOP HELP SOMEBODY HELP!) the girl didnt appear to be screaming, thrashing around. she was drunk and gave it up like a whore. now she is screaming rape so she wont look like a drating whore (which she is) women REALLY need to grow the drat UP! that thing between your legs might be awesome, but it isn`t SO amazing you can get away with ANYTHING
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Male 4,004
@Gerry : It`s sexual molestation with penetration? I don`t consider it "rape" rape either.
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Male 1,268
First of all, almost everyone here saying this didn`t look like a rape didn`t read the story, so don`t give them a fracking issuing just because they used this poor visibility video as their only source on the topic.

Secondly, to those who were aware she was drunk, then state "who sleeps through a rape," get out more and do some serious drinking with close friends. When I was this woman`s age, I had no problems at all sleeping through far greater physically violent activities after a blackout binge than mister four incher put this woman through.

Difference is, my friends who`d "Weekend at Bernie`s" me did it because we all knew it was funny. Even if this woman didn`t take to her booze as recklessly as I used to, and was at least semi-conscious, real men don`t frack until she begs for it.
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Male 38,507

We need a new word for this type of assault.
It`s not "rape" rape. It`s statutory because of lack of consent.

Most people think of "rape" as violently forced sexual congress. In this case it`s... well passive rape? Yeah, we need a new word for this. "Taking advantage sexually" just doesn`t have enough oomph.

Still wrong, no matter what you call it.
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Male 15,510
It looks like two octopus mating
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Male 1,754
I actually find it disturbing the amount of people who think this isn`t rape in this comment thread.

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Male 7,761
anarchsoul-"Tip 1: Don`t drink that much!"

Don`t point out the obvious. It`s not allowed in such debates.

Both were stinking drunk.

One is drunk, and will be held accountable for his actions. (rightly so)

One is drunk, and will not be held accountable for being an idiot. (not-rightly so)
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Male 594
Tip 1: Don`t drink that much!
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Female 4,359
that was rubbish. Who sleeps through rape? I`d hardly class that as rape anyway, that probably happens all the time, guys raping tired asleep woman all the time, stupid.
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Male 1,754
Read the story on it. Apparently the rustling in the sheets is the actual raping of an unconscious 23 year old passed out drunk girl. She actually didn`t even know anything happened until the following day. Ninja rape? Or just a small penis? Seems this man has skill with this type of behavior. No worries though -- he`s been arrested.
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Male 26
Who seriously sleeps through getting raped? Are we sure this isn`t some bs?

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Male 1,164
This is absolutely horrible and disgusting.

I mean really, only lobotomy patients use that much leapord decor.
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Female 2,525
It`s your site, Fancy. The content posted here is ultimately your call.
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Male 68
Why wasn`t it stopped by show? People are usually watching this stuff live.
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Male 1,674
fancy, what are you an intern here? Because i don`t see you taking it down.
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Male 20,196
BlankTom: I knew somehow I`d get blamed for this.
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Male 1,674
i`m sure youtube will take this down fairly soon. I wouldn`t count on IAB Removing it, for some reason fancy is proud to post poo like this on his site.
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Male 25,416
Well for those who want an actually story behind this. here is the link to the story.
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Female 19
This is really messed up. Showing a rape? Really? This is what constitutes entertainment for you? Shame on you. This poor girl was raped and you thought it was a good idea to exploit her even more? This post should be removed immediately.
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Male 1,754
I see blurry night vision and some rustling sheets. Am I missing the part where he sticks his penis in her forcibly without her consent?
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Female 2,525
@BlankTom, to be fair I was away from IAB for several months and just came back about a week ago, so you may be right. It`s a shame, really. It wasn`t always this trashy.
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Male 1,674
"Posting a video of a potential sexual assault is a new low for IAB."
I wish i could say it was... but IAB has been trending this way for a while now.
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Female 2,525
Posting a video of a potential sexual assault is a new low for IAB.
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Male 2
if you read the link she was passed out drunk
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Female 1,205
yeah...you people scare me. She is unconscious either from alcohol or sleep...therefore, she obviously can`t consent. Rape is a slippery slope. There are often women who pull the rape card because they feel guilty afterwards or just to get back at an ex or something (ruining lives in the process) but then in cases of actual rape people don`t always believe the victim either. So it is screwed up on both ends. I thought this post was pretty sick. "I didn`t see any rape. No struggle, she didn`t jump out of bed, no yelling no... how do you get rape out of that??" also, this comment is very narrowed minded. Not all rape looks like crap out of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo or the movies. I know people who have been raped (some in their sleep) and for some women the shock/fear can keep them from acting out or fighting back.
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Male 2,436
Christ, that was the most boring rape I`ve ever watched.
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Male 8,132
People are asking how this is rape because she isn`t struggling.

Am I missing something or is she passed out? In which case anything being done to her is rape because she is unconscious and therefore can`t consent.
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Female 3,562
At worst it looks like he`s jerking off and groping her. That`s nasty, but certainly not rape.
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Male 7,761
thatjimguy-"ok ladies chime in...at what time period does the rape start?"

Well, based on some of the replies on the previous posting of the girl with the `he-didn`t-know-he-raped-me` sign at slutwalk, it starts at exactly the time the girl changes her mind (even if it`s the next week, in which case the rape is retroactive), or if she drinks anything stronger than ice-water, or is pms-ing, etc.
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Male 42
First off if she really was raped why in the drat is the video of her being raped being posted on here? This is not a snuff site!
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Male 29
I didn`t see any rape. No struggle, she didn`t jump out of bed, no yelling no... how do you get rape out of that??
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Male 7,761
elkingo-"Because she is a woman, and all women are bound to be raped?"

Nope, that was not was he was saying.

He`s saying that if you hang around with douche-bag, peverted, in-bred idiots with low (or no) morals, some things are more likely to happen than if you hung around with Amish folks. (not saying you couldn`t get raped by the Amish, just saying the overall odds are greatly reduced).

See, I`ve never been attacked by a polar bear, mainly because I don`t hang out in northern Canada or Alaska. It`s not `impossible` for me to get attacked by a polar bear, but the odds are greatly reduced by living on the Gulf Coast.

And how was she raped? Did the check bounce?
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Female 249
junkaroo are you really that stupid. just because you let someone in you bed doesn`t mean they can have sex with you. no means no. letting someone sleep next to you doesn`t mean yes.
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Male 2,376
this is stupid
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Male 459
ok ladies chime in...at what time period does the rape start?
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Male 260
why is that jaguar breathing so heavily?
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Male 594
If she was being raped why is she under the covers and not fighting to get free? Or is this one of those things that`s called rape only after she starts feeling guilty?
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Male 234
Sorry but if you get in bed with someone, you can not call rape on subsequent sex. Letting someone into your bed might as well be consent. When`s the last time you let some fat ugly person you have 0 sexual interest for into your bed? Exactly.
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Male 5,620
"Who Didn`t Know This Was Bound To Happen?"

Why? Because she is a woman, and all women are bound to be raped? I don`t understand the context of this statement, but it makes you seem like a very asinine sexist.

Also, the video sucks and doesn`t even provide evidence that sexual contact even occurred, consensual or otherwise. Looked more like heavy petting... if that was sexual contact, my sex life is quite more exciting than I thought it was!
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Male 1,284
boring and bored
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Female 3,727
Nebbie
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
836 Posts Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:49:26 PM
Looks pretty consensual to me...
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Consensual....meaning she`s not moving at all?
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Female 3,727
So watching a rape is entertainment?
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Male 214


I didn`t know it was bound to happen.
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Male 194
I see evidence of sex, but what is there to indicate that this is rape? I certainly don`t mean to dismiss any genuine rape allegations, but an obscured 7-minute sex scene with no sound tells viewers nothing of the participants` attitudes towards the goings-on.
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Male 330
Completely pointless video
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Male 864
Looks pretty consensual to me...
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Male 5,811
WTF? A seven minute video that shows absolutely nothing. Couldn`t a pic or news story headline have been better?
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Male 7,378
Link: Who Didn`t Know This Was Bound To Happen? [Rate Link] - Big Brother Brazil contestant allegedly rapes housemate. Daniel Echaniz allegedly rapes Monique Amin on live TV.
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