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37 Responses to Ron Paul On Real Time With Bill Maher

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    sr3nity Male 70 & Over
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    January 15, 2012 at 9:11 am
    Link: Ron Paul On Real Time With Bill Maher - It`s an old interview from 2007, but it`s still interesting and worth a watch.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    January 15, 2012 at 9:31 am
    So, of course, I agree with him in theory. Many of our international policies have been more harmful than good. however, once again, he puts forth a concept rather than addressing whether this is realistic or not. So, once again, I will ask you RP supporters a hypothetical question I have asked on other threads: If we were to remove our troops from the Korean peninsula (and Japan, and the Phillipines, etc) and the N. Koreans decided to use it as an opportunity to show some force and send some missiles into Seoul, then what?
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    Rawrg Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 9:39 am
    @jtrebowski

    No. It`s not that our troops are there that holds them at bay. We can mobilize at any time, and the international community would smash down on N. Korea if they took that kind of action.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    January 15, 2012 at 9:54 am
    "No. It`s not that our troops are there that holds them at bay."

    Ok. That`s an opinion. There are others who feel differently. I`m willing to listen as to why you think you know that.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 10:08 am
    and the N. Koreans decided to use it as an opportunity to show some force and send some missiles into Seoul, then what?

    North Korea would then be turned into the world`s largest parking lot, which is why the Kim regime does not want to direct those nukes at another nation.

    I`m willing to listen as to why you think you know that.

    Which part are you referring to?
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 10:09 am
    @jtrebowski:

    Then China will kick their asses.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    January 15, 2012 at 10:17 am
    IMHO, the best thing that could happen for Ron Paul is for Obama to win a second term. He`s not going to get the nomination this time, either, but he`s done much better so far this time around than last time around. If Obama wins a second term, Paul has a good shot of getting the nomination in 2016, I think.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 10:19 am
    @jtrebowski

    What makes you think troops stop them? The threat of being bombed and taken over is what stops them, and they know even if we pulled out of South Korea that the threat still stands and America surely wouldn`t hesitate knowing how war-happy we seem to be lately.
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    scapegoat7 Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 10:31 am
    @jtrebowski

    North Korea`s interest is not a full out war; North Korea`s interest is regime survival. Its economy would be unable to sustain a war that ultimately threatens its leadership. But they`ll continue to be pests and randomly shell and bomb S.Korean ships like they already do.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    January 15, 2012 at 10:46 am
    @Cajun247: The part where you guys seem to "know" that our presence isn`t a deterrent.

    @Trippyhippy9: So...the idea is to wait until an unspeakable attack has already occurred?

    @Stonardstfw: "war-happy" under a Paul presidency? I thought the idea was to stop doing that.

    Please don`t take my doubts as disrespect. As a Liberal, there are still some things about RP that pique my curiosity, but so much that concerns me. I am willing to keep an open mind though, so let`s continue. :-)
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    January 15, 2012 at 10:49 am
    @scapegoat7: Is that a theory, or does that come from actual military intelligence?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    January 15, 2012 at 11:10 am
    ok then...
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    January 15, 2012 at 11:12 am
    this guy could save you. Vote him in for gods sake.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 11:15 am
    @jtrebowski

    You may have heard that the North Korea has the 4th largest army in the world in terms of manpower. Truth is those numbers don`t mean much (if anything) without equipment and training which North Korea is glaringly lacking. Their soldiers spend most of their time farming rather than training. Their tanks sit in the garages with very little use and maintenance. Two-thirds of their air force consist of planes manufactured in the late 50s. All of these and the tremendous difficulty they face on a daily basis supplying their military comes from the fact that regularly their military budget is less than third of South Korea`s.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 11:21 am
    This is not a theory this is based on actual intelligence.

    So...the idea is to wait until an unspeakable attack has already occurred?


    It is an unrealistic objective to ensure that armed conflict never happens again on this planet. That does not mean we shouldn`t prepare nor we can`t minimize the brutality of said conflict.
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    Stonardsftw Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    @jtrebowski

    Not even talking about under a Paul presidency. I was stating what is, not what will be or might be. If they attacked right now, they`d be bombed. If we pulled out our troops half a year ago and they attacked now, they`d be bombed. They know this, they won`t attack because of it.


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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2346 posts
    January 15, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    Ron Paul for president! you want REAL change en vote for him.

    you want pretend change where everything looks exactly the same and if anything does change it just gets worse, vote Obama or for any other candidate.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    Guys aren`t you forgetting a certain important someone in geopolitics here? Remember that China plays the scowling parent to N Korea`s apes#it toddler, get them involved and it`s a whole different ballgame...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    @QueenZira

    China`s got North Korea on a short leash. Me other people here have pointed out how incredibly boxed in the Kim regime is, so I don`t see how it`s a "different ballgame".
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    Cajun, imagine if China wanted to become more aggressive in the region and helped N Korea to topple S Korea, from thereon out targeting Japan and the Philippines. This of course would be a giant middle finger to us and we`d have to get involved, and then where would it go from there?

    Is Russia going to back up it`s buddy? They`re another country with whom it`s awkward to sit across from in the cafeteria at the UN. Of course this is all worst case scenario, but still...
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 8:06 pm
    And it doesn`t help that China has recently been holding military exercises in the South China Sea (I`m sure that`s the one) parading around like a barnyard c.ock, showing some strength.

    Naturally we responded by building a new base in Australia, because nothing scares the Chinese quite like well tanned, crocodile Dundee-esque Americans. It`s a flash point alright.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    If 9/11 was our fault, can someone please explain what the Nigerian Catholics did to cause Muslims to blow up their churches on Christmas Eve killing 35 of them?
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    -NOMAD- Male 18-29
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    January 15, 2012 at 10:43 pm
    @jtrebowski

    Then the South Koreans would defeat the inferior forces of the North, decisively. The North Koreans still use the Mig21, which was from 1959 for God`s sake.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    January 16, 2012 at 3:10 am
    @QueenZira

    To do so would mean throwing their trade relations with us out the window, which the Chinese HEAVILY rely on.

    @OldOllie

    Put it this way: if the victim kept fu<king around with the cat the former who`d then get clawed by the latter, would you not blame the victim? It`s called blowback, and those church are an unfortunate extension of the violence.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 16, 2012 at 4:25 am
    @NOMAD

    That and the MiG-19 makes up two-thirds of their air force.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 16, 2012 at 4:40 am
    can someone please explain what the Nigerian Catholics did to cause Muslims to blow up their churches on Christmas Eve killing 35 of them? ------------
    So in OldOllies world we`re supposed to be the protective force for all religions around the world? OK then let me know when you`ll be willing to go to war for church of Scientology...
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    Izaq Male 30-39
    173 posts
    January 16, 2012 at 6:29 am
    Wow! A Republican politician that doesn´t sound either like a religious nutcase or a completely retarded warmongering dimwit!

    I´m impressed!
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    Mooseprint Male 30-39
    3 posts
    January 16, 2012 at 6:59 am
    To illustrate just how naive Paul`s position is, how about lets hand over the mic to the ghost of comrade Hitchens.

    http://youtu.be/axHR8AOxxkc
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 16, 2012 at 8:22 am
    @Mooseprint

    That video of yours only makes our point, our involvement was the main influence behind the attacks against us. Ergo blowback.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 16, 2012 at 9:25 am

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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    January 16, 2012 at 11:49 am
    Is this guy crazy? We all know that we as Americans are responsible for policing the world. We know what is best.
    I mean, it`s the way it has been for the past 60 years so why change it right??
    There is no possible way our involvement in other countries would cause them to want to do us harm because we only do good...
    Also, if another country flexes it`s muscle we have to too, you know. It`s a pride thing.

    Ron Paul is so naive. Blow back does not exist.
    Our government only wants what is best for us, not themselves. It is why I trust the fed government fully and would like them to handle stuff like my retirement, healthcare, educating my child, loaning me money, etc. They can do a much better job than regular citizens at a local level.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 16, 2012 at 11:53 am
    @QualityJay

    It is the fact that we`ve been policing the world that is the cause of the 9-11 attacks.
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    Mooseprint Male 30-39
    3 posts
    January 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    @Cajun247 There is no way you can placate Islamism and maintain your freedoms is the main point Hitch builds to in the latter part. Forget wars. You can`t even raise fair criticism without making an eternal enemy.

    As for the role of a superpower: When bullies start picking on the weaker kids everyone looks to the biggest kid in school to sort them out. You`re damned if you do and damned if you don`t. So you may as well be damned for bringing freedom and democracy, and not for giving in to coercion and oppression.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 16, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    As for the role of a superpower: When bullies start picking on the weaker kids everyone looks to the biggest kid in school to sort them out. You`re damned if you do and damned if you don`t. So you may as well be damned for bringing freedom and democracy, and not for giving in to coercion and oppression.

    First of all we maybe the biggest kid school but we`ve also been the biggest bully as well. So that analogy doesn`t fit, as we`ve spreading tyranny far more than democracy. Secondly, even if we really were everyone`s hero then just like your typical bully he`s only going to meaner when a third party gets involved.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 16, 2012 at 4:11 pm
    There is no way you can placate Islamism and maintain your freedoms is the main point Hitch builds to in the latter part.

    "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
    -Benjamin Franklin
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
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    January 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm
    Simplistic message is simplistic.
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    Mooseprint Male 30-39
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    January 18, 2012 at 6:12 am
    "we`ve also been the biggest bully as well. So that analogy doesn`t fit."

    On the contrary, it`s exactly what I meant by "You`re damned if you do and you`re damned if you don`t." Either you step up for those who are catching hell and in turn get branded a bully, or leave them to get whaled on and lose everyone`s respect for not weighing in in a crisis.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke

    Good to see we agree on Hitch`s main point in the end.

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