Lee Doren On The Drug War: A message To Both Sides

Submitted by: Cajun247 5 years ago in

To Conservatives: The drug war is a failure. To Liberals: drugs are not great.
There are 47 comments:
Male 6,227
@Student_Law:

"Squrlz4Sale: addiction and drug trade is an international issue."

So what? I still want you to be U.S. president. So there.

(BTW, I`m NOT making fun of you. You talk more intelligently on this issue than anyone on this side of the pond.)
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Male 379
@Angelmassb
soo... let`s see if i got this straight. your solution is that society just "stops" doing what it has been doing since the dawn of man..?

...seems legit.
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Male 1,510
I totally agree. I`m a social liberal (let people do whatever they want to their own bodies, as long as they don`t do significant harm to others); and a fiscal conservative (spend less, smaller government). This makes me a libertarian, Ron Paul 2012!!!
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Male 25,416
Drugs are bad... M kay!
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Male 182
I have absolutely no problem with saying that people concerned that drug use will rise following legalization are retarded. The complete opposite has happened so far in countries that have legalized drugs.
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Female 836
"So, the laws against drugs aren`t turning ordinary citizens into criminals--today at least. If you`re an ordinary citizen, you know that doing drugs is illegal, and you make the choice to start using (NOTE: The choice to continue using is often controlled by addition!)"

1. Most drug use I know of is for substances (pot, acid, `shrooms) which do not normally "addict" people chemically. I`m sure everyone on here knows people who have dabbled and done just fine.

2. Most people on here probably know someone who is otherwise a law-abiding citizen who scoffs at the law on this one issue.

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Male 5,811
Appeal to moderation. This guy is a fence-sitter.

"What if drug use rose after legalization, what would you (liberals) do?"

Um...the same thing we do with alcohol? Yeah, not all drugs are great, and at least he got most of the "consequences of the black market" stuff right, but to say that drug use will rise is just an appeal to probability. There has never to my knowledge been a place that has decriminalized drugs and seen an increase in use. The only increases that have been noticed in the first few years after decriminalization can easily be attributed to the dark figure. So implying the result of actual testing holds less weight than baseless speculation is insulting.
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Female 2,525
"How can we expect the stupid masses to restrain themselves when the illegality is all that is keeping them from doing so now."

Most of the people who can`t "restrain themselves" when it comes to controlled substances will use them anyway, whether it`s legal or not. Your argument is invalid.
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Female 2,525
"Pretty sure making Drugs legal in Canada and the U.S. would not change anything for Mexico. It would change things in our countries for sure, but won`t do squat for other people in other countries. So bringing Mexico into the discussion was not needed."

Lol what. Mexican drug cartels smuggle drugs into the US and Canada. That`s, like, their whole deal. If drugs were legal here we wouldn`t need criminals to bring them into our country.
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Male 1,010
Squrlz4Sale: addiction and drug trade is an international issue.
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Male 1,735
Pretty sure making Drugs legal in Canada and the U.S. would not change anything for Mexico. It would change things in our countries for sure, but won`t do squat for other people in other countries. So bringing Mexico into the discussion was not needed.
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Male 3,331
The difference between the drug war and prohibition is that before prohibition, alcohol was legal. People were able to drink one day, and not the next. In the drug war, everyone alive today (in the US) has lived in a society where drugs are illegal.

So, the laws against drugs aren`t turning ordinary citizens into criminals--today at least. If you`re an ordinary citizen, you know that doing drugs is illegal, and you make the choice to start using (NOTE: The choice to continue using is often controlled by addition!).
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Female 836
Also, no one is looking at the past and what happened during alcohol proabition. Looking back further...

This country was founded and settled by people who could lay their hands on any kind of drug (that they had back then, opium, hash, laudinum) and yet we grew and prospered as a nation.

But during proabition the gangsters got richer and things got a lot more violent. Added to that, it made ordinary people law breakers which is not good for the law or the morale of this country.

Then they made alcohol legal again. Big surprise, it broke the gangs ushering in a much more peaceful era.

Think about it.
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Male 1,297
did anyone else read his name as Dee-Lorean? I see what I want
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Male 6,227
STUDENT_LAW for US President 2012.

Campaign slogan: "Save America from Americans."
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Male 1,010
Addiction is a medical issue by law in Norway, and has been for years. Possession is still formally illegal, but police hardly focus on users - since defined as ill. They focus all resources on the salesmen.

This has had a few positive effects: it`s easier and more acceptable to get help for drug addiction. If you have a job, and tell your employer that you have a drug problem you are legally ill and will get paid sick leave while you are in rehabilitation. Rehabilitation is expensive, most clinics are private so most employers choose to pay for it. In some cases they are obliged to.

Our experience with making addiction a legal reason for illness, alongside with pneumonia and cancer is positive, but it has little effect if a proper health care system isn`t there to provide treatment.

In conclusion; recognition of addiction as an illness, and decriminalization of drug use is effective, but only if treatment is provided as well.
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Male 1,197
the proble with his arguement is no one cares about mexicans

a country such as the US, that has some of the harshest drug laws in the western world, also has some of the highest % of usage in the entire world, either the US follows the asian nations and starts executing, public flogging and life time jail sentencing for simple posession OR they follow a more tolerant regime such as used in the netherland where drug usage is one of the lowest in the western world
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Male 12
This dude needs a line.
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Male 197
@AnwarNova I`m pretty sure that is just a characterization conservatives make about liberals to fear-monger anyone that can actually see how ineffective the war on drugs has been thus far, as said liberals are likely able to differentiate between marijuana and heroin rather than treat them as effectively indistinguishable in the eyes of the federal law.

From my standpoint, labels like liberal and conservative are the real problem creating an adversarial attitude toward those with differing opinions. Rather than find a middle ground that both can agree on, politicians just dig in deeper and wait until the opposition caves and you get everything you wanted and blame the opposition for the lack of compromise.

America is not about getting your way, but coming to a compromise. If none are willing to make concessions then nothing will be accomplished.
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Male 1,249
Why can`t we just look at "drugs" for what they are, all different. Some drugs are medicines and some ruin lives but it is certainly not easy for me to put them all under one umbrella.
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Male 2,076
I don`t know any liberals that think that drugs are "great".
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Male 197
@swoop408 Name-calling is completely unproductive and a reflexive response for those who disagree, but have no solid arguments to support their side.

Although you have all the right to your opinions as I have mine, however, one need not go any further than the comments on this post for evidence supporting Poe`s Law.

I`m personally against the war on drugs, for both fiscal and social reasons.
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Male 197
Insane people also use the internet, as hard as that may be to comprehend. More specifically those that do not have the capacity to apply logical thinking and give a well-reasoned argument to support their viewpoint.

To be more succinct, those holding an inflexible position on a subject in the face of contradictory evidence are, in my opinion, insane.
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Male 1,754
Zymotical, you`re a drating moron.
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Male 3,369
@zymotical and skypirate: It`s been discussed before, but we need some sort of universal sarcasm font.
Oh, and zymotical.."that no sane human could reasonably hold such a positiion"...um..are you new to the internets? You`d be surprised.
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Male 6,227
Filbert.
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@jtrebowski

My apologies for not being able to type sarcasm. (that last sentence was sarcasm as well).
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Male 197
You both are helping make my point, that people cannot understand sarcasm even if it is INSANELY OBVIOUS that no sane human could reasonably hold such a position.

I was trying to be obvious, after pointing out the fact that people cannot differentiate between lunacy and sarcasm over the internet.

So, thanks for the possibly second example of Poe`s Law in this thread.
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Male 36
...and this isn`t *your* decent society, prick
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Male 36
@Zymotical
You are a f*cking idiot.
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Male 645
How can we expect the stupid masses to restrain themselves when the illegality is all that is keeping them from doing so now.

You are an idiot. The law isn`t stopping anyone from using drugs, or driving impaired, or stealing from stores, or wreaking the economy with bad loans, or murdering your neighbor, etc etc..

It only gives punishment for such behavior *if* you get caught. So keep thinking you have everything figured out in your decent society.
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Male 197
@jtrebowski Judging by the overall tone of keith2`s post I am going with over-the-top sarcasm, but nowadays people are so polarized on drugs that this could be misconstrued as a serious opinion by both sides of the issue.

Think of how many people would be out of a job though if the drug war was discontinued. That would just break the economy even further than it already has. No way would that happen any times soon, unemployment would skyrocket, all the criminals would just move on to different criminal activity. None the less the anarchy that would come about when everyone is taking hallucinatory drugs every day because they are not illegal. How can we expect the stupid masses to restrain themselves when the illegality is all that is keeping them from doing so now.

Myself being a fiscal liberal and social conservative I fully endorse the government using any and all means to stamp out these criminals from my decent society by any means.
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Male 3,369
"Also, lumping "drugs" of all kinds together as if they are all equally addicting and have equal effects is not well-informed"

There are people who clearly can`t wrap their feeble minds around that concept. Maybe they need to expand them.
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Male 3,369
"sorry officer, you cant give me a DUI...I have note from my doctor and its a medical condition. "

Sigh. Um..no. You can get a DUI from being under the influence of prescription drugs. Don`t be silly.
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Male 3,369
Keith2 said: "Drug abusers (no such thing as "drug user") are all criminals, not innocent people with medical conditions. We need to lock them up for even the slightest transgression of the law. For even one offense, give them long jail sentence, and drug test every day for life."

I really hope you`re trolling, because if you`re not, you and your entire family should be monitored for any usage of prescribed medications and alcohol, and if suspected of using above mentioned substances, dragged to the nearest "FEMA CAMP" to never be heard from again. Buh Bye, now. Oh, and btw...the masturbation police have now been informed of your general location. I`d keep the blinds closed if I were you.
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Female 836
This guy has a point... but he`s a bit uninformed. The drug war is certainly not something just for the "inner city".

Go out into any rural area and you`ll find TONS of drug use.

Also, lumping "drugs" of all kinds together as if they are all equally addicting and have equal effects is not well-informed
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2,831
alternate title [quote]i take 5 minutes to say nothing[/quote]


sorry officer, you cant give me a DUI...I have note from my doctor and its a medical condition.
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Male 15,510
Stop consuming that stuff America, Mexico will stop producing it, and everybody happy.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Drug abusers (no such thing as "drug user") are all criminals, not innocent people with medical conditions[/quote]


So drug users are nonproductive, destructive elements by default, OR you`re trolling. As for locking them up we`ve been doing that for a while now and we`re facing dangerous prison overcrowding.
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Female 737
He has ideas, but he needs to write out his thoughts and organize them. That was five minutes of rambling. Okay? OKAY?
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Male 2,513
Drug war doesn`t work and drugs aren`t that great

I love drugs and weed and I still agree with this.
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Male 33
O`DOYLE RULES
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Male 182
its SOUNDS like he has a point... cept we got a lil ACTA thing going on up here in europe, and we dont want any of that in here, so could you put your drug war on hold while we try sorting this one out?
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Male 2,591
Drug abusers (no such thing as "drug user") are all criminals, not innocent people with medical conditions. We need to lock them up for even the slightest transgression of the law. For even one offense, give them long jail sentence, and drug test every day for life.
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Male 10,440
Even a clown like Lee Doren is bound to get his facts right once in a while.
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Male 657
Who the drat cares what this douche has to say?
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Male 10,855
Link: Lee Doren On The Drug War: A message To Both Sides [Rate Link] - To Conservatives: The drug war is a failure. To Liberals: drugs are not great.
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