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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    January 8, 2012 at 11:55 am
    Link: Is There A Sane, Credible, Rational, Candidate? - Do we even have one good choice? This data is compiled from the Secular Coalition of America Scorecard. Link in credits
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    So Newt thinks the U.S. will become an amoral atheist country run by Muslims? What kind of drugs do these people do?

    That`s it. I`m going to vote for a urinal cake. At least it will make my piss smell better.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    Good luck, America.. May the Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on your souls..
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    If you honestly want to change the american political system, we need to move toward public financing of elections. This way the politicians running for office are accountable to us, and not businesses that donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to see that their interests are protected. This is not a Left or Right issue. Both sides of the isle take corporate dollars because it`s how they finance their re-elections, and by doing so, they compromise on the very things that affect us. Education, Labor, Corporate Regulation, Consumer Protection, etc. "Before you can save the world, you must be able to save your seat." This is to the detriment of our political system. Stop the favors, make politicians earn your vote, push for public financing.
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    SnoopyBG Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    Well a religious person is much better than a representative of the corporations.
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    chunkymonkie Male 13-17
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    January 8, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    its appalling that someone who doesnt even believe in evolution is able to lead the most powerful nation in the world
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    Why can`t evolution be part of God`s plan?

    Always wondered what the problem was with this issue. The bible omits Dinosaurs altogether. We`ve had proof of dinosaurs for centuries. What if God created the universe and decided to create life later on, and decided to kill off the dinosaurs to make place for humanity...

    The bible written millenniums ago will not get everything right, because they lacked the knowledge to comprehend the information they were told by the spirits/angels/whatever.

    I don`t believe any of it, but there`s no reason for someone with faith to have to NOT believe in dinosaurs.
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:06 pm
    However, when I was undergoing my Sunday school in preparation for my first communion, we were taught the God created the world and Adam and Eve... and my question right away was, where did dinosaurs fit in? I knew they were around million of years ago, I was 8. And with the hesitation the teacher displayed, I suddenly realized the entire thing was a phony story, and lost my faith in the following weeks. (I had not been given the option of not having faith before then)
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    roariamadino Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    ron paul isn`t against abortion, I`m pretty sure I saw him saying it was up to people.

    we`ll see.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    meh.. politics.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:17 pm
    Ron Paul is personally against abortion, but here`s the important part: He knows it`s not a Federal issue. It should be up to the States.

    He`s really the only possible answer, if you`re honest.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    Snoopy: How do you figure? Just because someone goes to a church, does not mean they are necessarily a good state/local representative, or even a good person. If you honestly believe that if a person is religious and that somehow must make them "good", you are delusional. People to terrible things in the name of religion, and they consider themselves to be "religious". The point is, they still take donations, and help write legislation that favors the businesses that helped put them in office.
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    since when do religious beliefs matter? I want someone who knows how to run a country. I`m athiest and could not care less what the presidents religious beliefs are. So what if someone doesnt believe in separation of church in state. that is their right, its not going to some how change just because they are president though
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    <Clicks credits>
    <Examines report>
    <Suspects bias>

    Seriously I`m an agnostic and Ron Paul IS the best candidate here. We need to reduce our government.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    Wow - I`m really dismayed hearing that from Paul.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    Baelzar: Really!? Ron Paul? A guy who`s "Austrian Economic Theory" has never been placed into practice, someone who wants to basically dissolve the government, and let private business run prisons, police forces, schools, and fire stations? His entire platform is basically "We`re not gonna meddle in anything outside of the US, but you`re also on your own if you happen to live in the US."
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    I`d settle for someone who hasn`t sold his soul.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    Do we even have one good choice?
    Nope.

    Ahahahahahahaaa!
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    Gerry: By the very nature of campaign financing, that is impossible. That`s why we need Public financing. No more business favors.
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
    4006 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 1:35 pm
    "Ron Paul is personally against abortion, but here`s the important part: He knows it`s not a Federal issue. It should be up to the States. "

    Right, except for the part that it`s up to the states. It`s a FREE country. If you`re about to die because your fetus is stuck in your fallopian tubes, it makes perfect sense to drive halfway across the country. No it doesn`t.

    There is no religion to take into account when choosing a side on this dumb debate, the only choice is morality. It`s immoral to refuse to birth a child. But is it moral to not provide for the child as well as you could in different circumstances? I say let the person choose. If you`re against it, have a child. If the situation dictates it is beneficial for you not to have the child, then have an abortion performed.

    It`s not like it`s a pleasurable procedure, nobody takes it lightly. Sure there are people who will abuse and have multiple abortions performed, but then again, we
  21. Profile photo of Batmanners
    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm
    we still have violent crime, hard drug users, corrupted politicians and dirty businessmen.
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm
    How can Ron Paul hold a degree in biology, not believe Darwin`s theory of evolution. I know first hand it is required that biology students comprehend it thoroughly
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    Separation of church and state is the only way to look at the issue, and when you do that, it becomes very clear that "pro-life" has no argument against it, other than morality.

    And if it`s a free country, then the moral thing to do is provide freedom of choice.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:40 pm
    Still just baffles me that in the year of 2012, when we have GPS and cell phones, depending partially on theories that prerequisite space/time distortion and - the ability to look at earth- like planets millions of light years away amongst billions of galaxies... a substantial amount of people, even amongst our leaders - look up on that clear night sky, gaze at the moon and thing they see a enormous round piece of cheese..
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    @danagamer : Theory - not proven, that`s the only argument one needs to make a fool of themselves.

    And if you`re one who fully understands the theory of evolution, then you also know where the loopholes are and are more able to form an opinion against it.

    Same as saying you don`t believe in the Big Bang, there are different theories out there. Same as the end of the universe theories, the Big Crunch VS the Big Freeze, per example.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:45 pm
    Eeenie, meenie, miney... oh forget it!

    Here in Canada, we don`t have to worry about such things! We don`t have any say in who the party leaders are, eh?
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    When it comes to these kinds of social issues it`s not the President that matters. It`s the Congress. Besides, there`s a big difference between moderates like Huntsman and Sharia Santorum. As the link makes clear.
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    Loxen Female 30-39
    1387 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    And if that didn`t depress you enough, check out this vid (if you haven`t already):
    Welcome to the land of the "Free".
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 2:25 pm
    I don`t like any of them, therefore, I am not voting. Campaigns are stupid, a bunch of empty promises intended to hype people up just so they can land in the big seat.. I don`t like, or trust politicians.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 2:48 pm

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    _Cenya_ Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    Keg, not voting isn`t the answer. People who idolize the (often unbacked up) ideas you see some right wing candidates toting will have their supporters out in force to (as they say) "take down Obama." If you don`t vote, your giving no backing against these people that you wouldn`t vote for. Not making a choice (not voting) is not a solution.
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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
    129 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    My opinion is, it isn`t so much in how they view evolution vs. creation, (I am a creationist myself), but how they view the constitution An atheist who is a solid constitutionalist will allow freedom of religion, as the constitution says, and will not involve the government in deciding which one is right or wrong. Les science do science, religion do religion, and let all be taught to cover all arguments-all taught as theory, for they all are theory, since none can be proven. It isn`t the government`s job to micromanage schools and such-these things belong in the realm of local government. So let`s find who will run the country according to the constitution and the laws, and stop playing gotcha with the candidates.
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    No, there isn`t. They`re all a shower of lying, back biting, hand rubbing gob pooes. I vote, but I end up voting for the politician I despise the least, which tends to be anyone other than Nick Griffin.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    Newsflash, ElMustache: private companies already run prisons & schools. Tend to do a better job than government, too.

    Some of you probably believe in Ayurvedic medicine, acupuncture, crystals, magnets, astrology, karma, all sorts of superstitious nonsense.

    As long as you don`t try to force it upon me, I don`t care what you believe. Ron Paul has been consistent in his belief that government has no place in anything outside of the Constitution. That`s why most of the status quo ante lovers reject him.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    how`s this different from any of your other elections ever? or for that matter in any democracy ...
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    One Nation Under God.

    Deal with it.
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    "One Nation Under God.

    Deal with it."

    The "under God" was added later... So you fail.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    There is no god. There is,however,science.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    January 8, 2012 at 4:34 pm
    Obama has been pretty incompetent so far, but he`s far less batpoo insane than the rest of them. Think about this: If Obama wins, at least none of the crazy current Republican candidates can win until 2016 and then there will be more Democratic and hopefully less crazy candidates. He also won`t be able to win again.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    Tend to do a better job than government, too.

    Actually their track record on the former is shaky. An exception to that rule.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Batmanners
    Male, 18-29, Canada
    3779 Posts Sunday, January 8, 2012 4:14:11 PM
    "One Nation Under God.

    Deal with it."

    The "under God" was added later... So you fail.


    Sorry? i failed to point out the current pledge of allegiance? what did i fail in? i am sorry but i fail to understand what my fail is i see only your fail in failing to point out a fail that i well actualy.. failed in.

    "ever tried, ever failed, no matter, try again, fail again, fail beter" -, S. Beckett
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    MrOrange - "Under God" was added by the Eisenhower administration as proof he was not a godless communist. Macarthyism ya know.
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    gargaflute Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    Me before getting in the US.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    Ron Paul. Nuff said.
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    skine Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    "Ron Paul. Nuff said."

    It seems like the only thing that non-Americans hear when listening to him is the part about cutting back on involvement in foreign affairs.

    If you would take a second and look beyond that, you would see that he isn`t a good candidate for the presidency.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    "If you would take a second and look beyond that, you would see that he isn`t a good candidate for the presidency."

    The #1 reason to vote for him is that he actually has a proven record of understanding financial matters. He`s been invested heavily in gold for many years, and his worst stock picks have seen 300% returns over the past decade.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 6:57 pm
    Yeah lets allow schools to teach kids the great fairy tale so they can all as smart as these nincompoops.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    "One Nation Under Canada"
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    Also, I disagree with RP on evolution, and I suspect I`m more supportive of gay rights and abortion than him, that puts him at about 80% agreement with me and that`s a lot more than I can say about any other candidate.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:22 pm
    I`m with Madest. We can`t teach fairy tales as fact otherwise future generations will be just as stupid as this one.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:29 pm
    ...as if Barack Obama were sane, rational, or credible...or competent, intelligent, or, good-intentioned.
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    "Yeah lets allow schools to teach kids the great fairy tale so they can all as smart as these nincompoops."

    I am a christian, however i offer an intelligent compromise. You say that creation is a fairy tale, and i say evolution is a theory, so how about this. Teach both in school as well as any other popular ideas, and let the kids decide what he/she wants to believe. That is truly the way to not raise "nincompoops". However the schools do not teach kids to learn, it teaches them to repeat and not think for themselves, and that is what made all these "nincompoops". Sadly, i doubt any "evolved monkeys" would take up that offer, and so my kids fail science because they will not say that they were evolved form primates. just like what happened last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, ....
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    everybody knows we came from aliens
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    and @ Kegomatix we teach fairy tales to our kids everyday. E.G. all men are equal( we are not its the rich are all that matter) police are here to help us (OWS enough said?) just about all things we teach kids are "fairy tales"
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:51 pm
    "and i say evolution is a theory"

    Since gravity is also just a theory, maybe we should teach kids that invisible leprechans are responsible for keeping everything from flying off the planet into space, and let the kids decide for themselves.
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    kummi90 Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    Baelzar: I hope you see the mistake of privatizing prisons. I mean, doesn`t the fact that their stock prices are directly related to number of people incarcerated seem to you a bit perverse, bordering drating insane? A little something called the prison-industrial complex...
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    @mandingo3519, If you agree that dogs are the evolutionary descendants of wolves then you believe in evolution. Stop the nonsense.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:00 pm
    Are write-ins aloud in presidential elections?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    If you would take a second and look beyond that, you would see that he isn`t a good candidate for the presidency.
    Neither is anyone else.
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:17 pm
    madest wrong i believe dogs are descendants from domesticated wolves. Big difference and
    @ Otto67 i said POPULAR theories, but IMO this is just an example of simple minds changing what was said so it fits the argument. Just for the record, i have many atheist friends, and enjoy conversations and debates with them, however unlike that argument, our debates never omit or construe what was said.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    @aquaman: Yes, write-ins are allowed in presidential elections. This will be the first presidential election I`ve done a write-in. Some may call it a wasted vote--but in no way can I vote for the incumbent or any of these clown-challengers with a clear conscience.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    Simpleton logic. Inform yourself. Willful ignorance is not charming.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    @intrigid: With all due respect, selecting a presidential candidate because he`s been good at picking stocks hardly seems the way to go.

    Unless I`m missing something, no federal money is invested in the markets. None, zero, zip, nada.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:44 pm
    "Teach both in school as well as any other popular ideas, and let the kids decide what he/she wants to believe."

    SCIENTIFIC theories (note: a scientific theory is not simply a guess. A scientific theory is backed by a lot of data and research. A scientific theory stays a theory essentially until there`s evidence that shows that it`s false, in which case new hypothesis` are developed and tested. Thus, scientific theories will generally stay theories no matter how much evidence is provided. That`s why even the theory of gravity is still a theory) are meant for science classes. Religious "theories" are meant for church. Education is not providing a bunch of contradictory ideas to children and telling them to choose. Education is teaching children what`s perceived to be the truth based on research (future knowledge might change this slightly, like how Pluto used to be a planet, but it wont change it completely).
  65. Profile photo of mandingo3519
    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    from what i read in that madest you proved my belief on it. but anyway it does not really matter (which i disagree about one thing in the link, when it talked of the Budapest scientists not being able to keep the wolf pups ..., i have an arctic wolf raised by me from a pup, and she was better with my kids when they were babies than any dog.) As far as i can see, this is a difference of opinion. I do respect you for having your opinions, and wish kids today grow up with your convictions, but do they not deserve the right to use their own minds to form their own opinions, like you have. Or do children today only get to learn what you believe as fact, and have no choice like you did. Im not much younger than you and i was learned in school to use my own mind, as i have, so i am sure you were too. Is it not a shame that children are failing grades because they question what they are told, instead of accepting what they are told
  66. Profile photo of Otto67
    Otto67 Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    "i said POPULAR theories"

    Truth in science is not a popularity contest. You implied you want to teach a magical being wished us into existance and teach that in public school. if you don`t understand the differance between "theory" as used in popular speech and "scientific theory" you did not pay attention in science class and I am not surprised your offspring are struggling in that area.
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 9:07 pm
    LillianDulci you are right a scientific theory is not simply a guess. A scientific theory is backed by a lot of data and research. so it is a never ending cycle theory is backed by theory is backed by theory is backed by theory and on and on. My point is this. Lets assume you believe that creation is wrong, but your teacher teaches it as fact. You answer that in theory of creation .... and your GPA drops because the teacher fails you for that, then you will be pissed of right? But bottom line is that this is just like politics and just about anything else. It is almost universally believed that everyone has a right to his/her own opinions, except when it disagrees with "mine"
  68. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 9:37 pm
    "Lets assume you believe that creation is wrong, but your teacher teaches it as fact. You answer that in theory of creation .... and your GPA drops because the teacher fails you for that, then you will be pissed of right?"

    I`d ask my teacher for scientific proof, which they would not be able to provide, and report my teacher to the principal (or any other higher up) for teaching non-science in a science classroom. The analogy you`re trying to present fails because evolution is science and creation is religion. Teach evolution in a science classroom and creation in a church, easy as that. Creation has no valid scientific backing and thus it`d be extremely inappropriate to teach it in a classroom.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 9:41 pm
    One of my science teachers was asked by my classmate something like "I know you`re a religious man (they went to the same church) so where`s God in all of this, in your opinion?" and my teacher, who has studied and teaches evolution, said something like he believes his god used evolution for everything to be like how it is. It`s been like 5 years so I don`t remember his exact words. Questions like that from students who have been taught differently by their church and parents are /fine/ in my opinion. We weren`t tested on that because that was my teacher`s opinion and he wasn`t presenting it as fact. It also prevented the discussion of creationism from coming up for the rest of the term.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    I am a christian, however i offer an intelligent compromise. You say that creation is a fairy tale, and i say evolution is a theory, so how about this. Teach both in school as well as any other popular ideas, and let the kids decide what he/she wants to believe.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    No you don’t, this is the whole “Teach the Controversy!” bullpoo of the Creationist movement. I’ve been through this numerous times before, but let’s dance again. There’s observable scientific reality, and then there’s opinion. Kids in science class should be learning science. We don’t teach kids the alternate reality of alchemy where lead can turn to gold, or a flat earth, or a geocentric universe, or your medical health being governed by the balance of your four humors of blood (air), phlegm (water), yellow bile (fire) and black bile (earth). If we “let the kids decide”, please understand that we’re going to scientifically redundant within a generation.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    Secondly, this is important. Evolution is both a FACT and, separately, a THEORY. Sorry to be a dick, but there are many who misunderstand this. Evolution is species changing over generations. That’s all it is. It happens. It’s the reason we have so many people dying of infections, because bacteria are becoming more resistant to current antibiotics. It’s the reason your grandmother needs a different ‘flu vaccine every year. Darwin’s Theory (key word there) of evolution tries to explain evolution. It might be wrong (the whole “it’s only a theory!” thing), but you know what, it doesn’t change the fact that living things change, that evolution happens.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    Just as Gravity is a thing. It happens. There’s various Theories as to how Gravity works, but only an ill-informed dick would say it doesn’t exist. Such is with Evolution. Why then do Creationists try to do the same with Evolution?

    Sadly, i doubt any "evolved monkeys" would take up that offer, and so my kids fail science because they will not say that they were evolved form primates. just like what happened last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, ....
    Dude, hate to be a dick, but your kids are primates, as are you and I. Yeah,
    I’m going to stop there.
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    grindinblade Male 18-29
    234 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm
    @mandingo First off I doubt that your kids have done poorly in science "year after year" for the sole reason that they don`t believe in evolution. That is small portion science, and is not taught every year from grade school through high school. Perhaps there is another problem your kids have if they always do that poorly?
    Also even if you do not wish to believe it and insist on covering your ears when evolution is taught it is still important to learn. If questions are phrased "according to the theory of evolution", than answer the question in school and don`t put up a fuss that science doesn`t agree with your religion. If I answered on a test the Sun revolves around the earth because my religion says so I am still wrong, even though religion did previously teach that.
    Anthropological evidence shows a clear development from Homo habilis -> Homo ergaster -> H. erectus -> H. heidelbergensis -> H. Sapiens (us) is irrefutable.
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
    554 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 9:57 pm
    ..Don`t Vote.

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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    “If we are going to teach ‘creation theory’ as an alternative to evolution then we should also teach ‘stork theory’ as an alternative to biological reproduction.” ~Judith Hayes~
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 10:05 pm
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    jadoig Male 30-39
    434 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    LOL politics and religion. Good thing I`m not eating supper.
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    jadoig Male 30-39
    434 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 10:26 pm
    You can still teach religion in school, just in social studies or humanities class. In fact, my school did just that. I learned about Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. I agree about not teaching it in science class as it is not a science.
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    blargendarg Male 30-39
    376 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 11:31 pm
    I thought Penn Jillette`s similar take on this was much better, much more coherent:

    Penn Jillette: An Atheist`s Guide to the 2012 Election
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7618 posts
    January 8, 2012 at 11:54 pm
    I find it absolutely incredible that one of the most powerful nations in the world has so many people whodo not accept and understand evolution. It is akin to them not using anti-biotics. This is the 21st century- the ONLY reason this can be so is bad education!
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 2:02 am
    "They will be in an secular/atheist country potentially one dominated by radical Islamists"

    Silly Newt, he forgot Mexicans.

    Ron Paul shouldn`t have been in the last two.
    Barack Obama didn`t "promise to veto the NDAA bill", he threatened to VETO it, before anyone was even talking about it, based on completely different criteria to what the complaints were.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
    3447 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 3:30 am
    Lottery!
    Any of you reading this could do a better job than these professional politicians
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
    3447 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 3:34 am
    And I don`t know what to think of women commenting on how good looking a candidate is. I wonder where the term bimbo comes from?
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
    1360 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 3:48 am
    I don`t think in any european country or any sane country someone who is creationist would be a candidate.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
    1707 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 6:58 am
    Personally I think they should just keep religion and government apart, just not even talk about it. It shouldn`t even be in the equation.

    Having said that, I also don`t believe in Evolution for many reasons. That doesn`t make me incapable of performing a certain job or duty, it just means I`m not convinced by the evidence we have.

    I get that we all want everyone else to think like we do, but it`s never going to happen, get over it.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 7:08 am
    You people are doomed. I may have to distance myself from your epic wreckage even further.

    Trouble is, if I head further north, it gets much colder. I could move to Europe, that might do it.
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    HiEv Male 40-49
    621 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 7:23 am
    @mandingo3519 and ukulelemike: Evolution is science, and creationism is religion. This has been established by the courts. You CANNOT teach religion in a science classroom in a public school. It is not and should not be the job of government to indoctrinate children into religion. This is why we have a separation of church and state.

    Second of all, the schools are not the place to decide what is or isn`t science. So even if creationism wasn`t religion, it STILL doesn`t belong in a science classroom because it hasn`t established itself as a valid scientific theory in the scientific literature. Schools should teach the best supported science, not phrenology, astrology, geocentrism, or any other fringe claim.

    Finally, in science, a theory is not a guess, it`s a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2374 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 7:28 am
    Believing that a magical sky-man created the universe in seven days, and that mankind fell from `grace` after being tricked by a talking snake -- yeah. Yeah, that makes perfect sense....
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7618 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 7:36 am
    The only people who think there is a controversy are those who believe in creation. They, by definition, are religious fanatics who should go and live without electricity or any other discovery of modern science and stay away from the rest of us...
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 7:43 am
    Having churches on every corner of every street in the country is not enough for these dimwits.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 8:11 am
    Teach evolution in a science classroom and creation in a church

    ^this.

    I also don`t believe in Evolution for many reasons

    Hold on, I need to get some popcorn.....Ok, entertain me.
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    Otto67 Male 40-49
    438 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 8:23 am
    "Having said that, I also don`t believe in Evolution for many reasons."

    Are any of them good reasons or are they religious reasons.

    "That doesn`t make me incapable of performing a certain job or duty, it just means I`m not convinced by the evidence we have."

    It may make you incapable of doing research or possibly just willfully ignorant, either way this will help. http://talkorigins.org/
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7618 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 8:55 am
    I have Americans friends who do not accept evolution, it is usually a combination of religion and really really poor teaching from a teacher who does not accept evolution and does not WANT the pupils to accept it either. The truly sad part is that they cannot see how badly their education has failed them.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36870 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 9:16 am

    It`s clear we can no longer rule ourselves.
    Maybe it`s time to turn ourselves back over to the Crown.
    British-American Colonies 2012!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 9:25 am
    @Gerry: Hmm, might work. You might have to give them all your freedom fries and beer so they can sink them in the ocean first though. XD
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
    1832 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 9:38 am
    Came for the video, stayed for Bad Religion.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
    3894 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 10:01 am
    "Secular, atheist country....dominated by radical Islamists."

    I hate you and honestly wish that you were disqualified from politics on the grounds of insanity.

    also, bad religion <3
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    DrFatnutz Male 18-29
    5 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 10:18 am
    anyone else feel like this race is going to end up like that south park episode when the candidates were a douchebag and a turd-sandwich?
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 10:28 am
    those damn atheist muslims
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    CoyoteKing Male 18-29
    2988 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 11:00 am
    yeah i caught that too DrProfessor. what an idiot...
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    zombieraptur Male 18-29
    57 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 11:35 am
    Newt is right at one point theres gonna be alot more atheists because kids have access to the internet but everything else he is so wrong about. Each generation should be smarter than the last and lets start ours by getting rid of the fairy tales that divide us.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 11:41 am
    at one point theres gonna be alot more atheists because kids have access to the internet

    I accept the premise but reject the conclusion.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    What a stupid, illogical video.
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    ivran Male 18-29
    599 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    What the hell do religion and science have to do with politics? Politicians are POLITICIANS, not scientists or preachers.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    January 9, 2012 at 11:10 pm
    Intelligent design? not this bunch.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14656 posts
    January 10, 2012 at 1:40 am
    `What the hell do religion and science have to do with politics? Politicians are POLITICIANS, not scientists or preachers."

    True, as long as they don`t make their decisions based on what their imaginary friend `told` them to do, then I can live with that.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
    1793 posts
    January 10, 2012 at 9:41 am
    this is just wrong... science....
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    LastJuggalo Female 18-29
    212 posts
    January 11, 2012 at 11:22 am
    I do not vote. I don`t pay attention to any of this crap. Yay for me! I will illegally immigrate if things get bad enough. It`s what my baby daddy did.
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    Ruffiana Male 30-39
    506 posts
    January 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    How does one become a doctor and not respect the difference between a scientific theory and the colloquial use of the word "theory".

    Anyone who debates evolution as a fact is just an idiot, or worse, pandering to a crowd. We have more than enough proof through domestic breeding programs to prove that evolution isn`t make believe.

    Can argue about the distinction between intelligent design and natural selection until the cows come home, but let`s not mix up the easily verifiable evolution with mytholigcal finger-snapping dieties.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    January 12, 2012 at 2:05 am
    Obama will domuch better in the second term. Legacy term!
    To begin with to put him together with this lot is just ridiculous.

    Most things he could not do were direct result of him being blocked by republicans!

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