Is There A Sane, Credible, Rational, Candidate?

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago

Do we even have one good choice? This data is compiled from the Secular Coalition of America Scorecard. Link in credits
There are 112 comments:
Female 2,549
Obama will domuch better in the second term. Legacy term!
To begin with to put him together with this lot is just ridiculous.

Most things he could not do were direct result of him being blocked by republicans!
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Male 506
How does one become a doctor and not respect the difference between a scientific theory and the colloquial use of the word "theory".

Anyone who debates evolution as a fact is just an idiot, or worse, pandering to a crowd. We have more than enough proof through domestic breeding programs to prove that evolution isn`t make believe.

Can argue about the distinction between intelligent design and natural selection until the cows come home, but let`s not mix up the easily verifiable evolution with mytholigcal finger-snapping dieties.
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Female 212
I do not vote. I don`t pay attention to any of this crap. Yay for me! I will illegally immigrate if things get bad enough. It`s what my baby daddy did.
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Male 1,793
this is just wrong... science....
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Male 14,775
`What the hell do religion and science have to do with politics? Politicians are POLITICIANS, not scientists or preachers."

True, as long as they don`t make their decisions based on what their imaginary friend `told` them to do, then I can live with that.
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Male 2,143
Intelligent design? not this bunch.
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Male 599
What the hell do religion and science have to do with politics? Politicians are POLITICIANS, not scientists or preachers.
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Male 599
What a stupid, illogical video.
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Male 5,811
[quote]at one point theres gonna be alot more atheists because kids have access to the internet[/quote]

I accept the premise but reject the conclusion.
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Male 57
Newt is right at one point theres gonna be alot more atheists because kids have access to the internet but everything else he is so wrong about. Each generation should be smarter than the last and lets start ours by getting rid of the fairy tales that divide us.
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Male 2,988
yeah i caught that too DrProfessor. what an idiot...
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Male 2,419
those damn atheist muslims
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Male 5
anyone else feel like this race is going to end up like that south park episode when the candidates were a douchebag and a turd-sandwich?
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Male 3,894
"Secular, atheist country....dominated by radical Islamists."

I hate you and honestly wish that you were disqualified from politics on the grounds of insanity.

also, bad religion <3
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Male 1,832
Came for the video, stayed for Bad Religion.
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Male 5,811
@Gerry: Hmm, might work. You might have to give them all your freedom fries and beer so they can sink them in the ocean first though. XD
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Male 37,910

It`s clear we can no longer rule ourselves.
Maybe it`s time to turn ourselves back over to the Crown.
British-American Colonies 2012!
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Female 7,838
I have Americans friends who do not accept evolution, it is usually a combination of religion and really really poor teaching from a teacher who does not accept evolution and does not WANT the pupils to accept it either. The truly sad part is that they cannot see how badly their education has failed them.
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Male 438
"Having said that, I also don`t believe in Evolution for many reasons."

Are any of them good reasons or are they religious reasons.

"That doesn`t make me incapable of performing a certain job or duty, it just means I`m not convinced by the evidence we have."

It may make you incapable of doing research or possibly just willfully ignorant, either way this will help. http://talkorigins.org/
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Male 5,811
[quote]Teach evolution in a science classroom and creation in a church[/quote]

^this.

[quote]I also don`t believe in Evolution for many reasons[/quote]

Hold on, I need to get some popcorn.....Ok, entertain me.
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Male 7,378
Having churches on every corner of every street in the country is not enough for these dimwits.
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Female 7,838
The only people who think there is a controversy are those who believe in creation. They, by definition, are religious fanatics who should go and live without electricity or any other discovery of modern science and stay away from the rest of us...
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Male 2,670
Believing that a magical sky-man created the universe in seven days, and that mankind fell from `grace` after being tricked by a talking snake -- yeah. Yeah, that makes perfect sense....
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Male 621
@mandingo3519 and ukulelemike: Evolution is science, and creationism is religion. This has been established by the courts. You CANNOT teach religion in a science classroom in a public school. It is not and should not be the job of government to indoctrinate children into religion. This is why we have a separation of church and state.

Second of all, the schools are not the place to decide what is or isn`t science. So even if creationism wasn`t religion, it STILL doesn`t belong in a science classroom because it hasn`t established itself as a valid scientific theory in the scientific literature. Schools should teach the best supported science, not phrenology, astrology, geocentrism, or any other fringe claim.

Finally, in science, a theory is not a guess, it`s a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.
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Male 10,440
You people are doomed. I may have to distance myself from your epic wreckage even further.

Trouble is, if I head further north, it gets much colder. I could move to Europe, that might do it.
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Male 1,737
Personally I think they should just keep religion and government apart, just not even talk about it. It shouldn`t even be in the equation.

Having said that, I also don`t believe in Evolution for many reasons. That doesn`t make me incapable of performing a certain job or duty, it just means I`m not convinced by the evidence we have.

I get that we all want everyone else to think like we do, but it`s never going to happen, get over it.
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Male 1,360
I don`t think in any european country or any sane country someone who is creationist would be a candidate.
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Male 3,474
And I don`t know what to think of women commenting on how good looking a candidate is. I wonder where the term bimbo comes from?
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Male 3,474
Lottery!
Any of you reading this could do a better job than these professional politicians
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Male 4,547
"They will be in an secular/atheist country potentially one dominated by radical Islamists"

Silly Newt, he forgot Mexicans.

Ron Paul shouldn`t have been in the last two.
Barack Obama didn`t "promise to veto the NDAA bill", he threatened to VETO it, before anyone was even talking about it, based on completely different criteria to what the complaints were.
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Female 7,838
I find it absolutely incredible that one of the most powerful nations in the world has so many people whodo not accept and understand evolution. It is akin to them not using anti-biotics. This is the 21st century- the ONLY reason this can be so is bad education!
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Male 376
I thought Penn Jillette`s similar take on this was much better, much more coherent:

Penn Jillette: An Atheist`s Guide to the 2012 Election
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Male 434
You can still teach religion in school, just in social studies or humanities class. In fact, my school did just that. I learned about Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. I agree about not teaching it in science class as it is not a science.
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Male 434
LOL politics and religion. Good thing I`m not eating supper.
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Male 675
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Male 438
“If we are going to teach ‘creation theory’ as an alternative to evolution then we should also teach ‘stork theory’ as an alternative to biological reproduction.” ~Judith Hayes~
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Male 554
..Don`t Vote.

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Male 234
@mandingo First off I doubt that your kids have done poorly in science "year after year" for the sole reason that they don`t believe in evolution. That is small portion science, and is not taught every year from grade school through high school. Perhaps there is another problem your kids have if they always do that poorly?
Also even if you do not wish to believe it and insist on covering your ears when evolution is taught it is still important to learn. If questions are phrased "according to the theory of evolution", than answer the question in school and don`t put up a fuss that science doesn`t agree with your religion. If I answered on a test the Sun revolves around the earth because my religion says so I am still wrong, even though religion did previously teach that.
Anthropological evidence shows a clear development from Homo habilis -> Homo ergaster -> H. erectus -> H. heidelbergensis -> H. Sapiens (us) is irrefutable.
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Male 12,138
Just as Gravity is a thing. It happens. There’s various Theories as to how Gravity works, but only an ill-informed dick would say it doesn’t exist. Such is with Evolution. Why then do Creationists try to do the same with Evolution?

[quote] Sadly, i doubt any "evolved monkeys" would take up that offer, and so my kids fail science because they will not say that they were evolved form primates. just like what happened last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, .... [/quote]
Dude, hate to be a dick, but your kids are primates, as are you and I. Yeah,
I’m going to stop there.
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Male 12,138
Secondly, this is important. Evolution is both a FACT and, separately, a THEORY. Sorry to be a dick, but there are many who misunderstand this. Evolution is species changing over generations. That’s all it is. It happens. It’s the reason we have so many people dying of infections, because bacteria are becoming more resistant to current antibiotics. It’s the reason your grandmother needs a different ‘flu vaccine every year. Darwin’s Theory (key word there) of evolution tries to explain evolution. It might be wrong (the whole “it’s only a theory!” thing), but you know what, it doesn’t change the fact that living things change, that evolution happens.
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Male 12,138
No you don’t, this is the whole “Teach the Controversy!” bullpoo of the Creationist movement. I’ve been through this numerous times before, but let’s dance again. There’s observable scientific reality, and then there’s opinion. Kids in science class should be learning science. We don’t teach kids the alternate reality of alchemy where lead can turn to gold, or a flat earth, or a geocentric universe, or your medical health being governed by the balance of your four humors of blood (air), phlegm (water), yellow bile (fire) and black bile (earth). If we “let the kids decide”, please understand that we’re going to scientifically redundant within a generation.
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Male 12,138
[quote] I am a christian, however i offer an intelligent compromise. You say that creation is a fairy tale, and i say evolution is a theory, so how about this. Teach both in school as well as any other popular ideas, and let the kids decide what he/she wants to believe.[/quote]
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Female 2,674
One of my science teachers was asked by my classmate something like "I know you`re a religious man (they went to the same church) so where`s God in all of this, in your opinion?" and my teacher, who has studied and teaches evolution, said something like he believes his god used evolution for everything to be like how it is. It`s been like 5 years so I don`t remember his exact words. Questions like that from students who have been taught differently by their church and parents are /fine/ in my opinion. We weren`t tested on that because that was my teacher`s opinion and he wasn`t presenting it as fact. It also prevented the discussion of creationism from coming up for the rest of the term.
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Female 2,674
"Lets assume you believe that creation is wrong, but your teacher teaches it as fact. You answer that in theory of creation .... and your GPA drops because the teacher fails you for that, then you will be pissed of right?"

I`d ask my teacher for scientific proof, which they would not be able to provide, and report my teacher to the principal (or any other higher up) for teaching non-science in a science classroom. The analogy you`re trying to present fails because evolution is science and creation is religion. Teach evolution in a science classroom and creation in a church, easy as that. Creation has no valid scientific backing and thus it`d be extremely inappropriate to teach it in a classroom.
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Male 192
LillianDulci you are right a scientific theory is not simply a guess. A scientific theory is backed by a lot of data and research. so it is a never ending cycle theory is backed by theory is backed by theory is backed by theory and on and on. My point is this. Lets assume you believe that creation is wrong, but your teacher teaches it as fact. You answer that in theory of creation .... and your GPA drops because the teacher fails you for that, then you will be pissed of right? But bottom line is that this is just like politics and just about anything else. It is almost universally believed that everyone has a right to his/her own opinions, except when it disagrees with "mine"
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Male 438
"i said POPULAR theories"

Truth in science is not a popularity contest. You implied you want to teach a magical being wished us into existance and teach that in public school. if you don`t understand the differance between "theory" as used in popular speech and "scientific theory" you did not pay attention in science class and I am not surprised your offspring are struggling in that area.
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Male 192
from what i read in that madest you proved my belief on it. but anyway it does not really matter (which i disagree about one thing in the link, when it talked of the Budapest scientists not being able to keep the wolf pups ..., i have an arctic wolf raised by me from a pup, and she was better with my kids when they were babies than any dog.) As far as i can see, this is a difference of opinion. I do respect you for having your opinions, and wish kids today grow up with your convictions, but do they not deserve the right to use their own minds to form their own opinions, like you have. Or do children today only get to learn what you believe as fact, and have no choice like you did. Im not much younger than you and i was learned in school to use my own mind, as i have, so i am sure you were too. Is it not a shame that children are failing grades because they question what they are told, instead of accepting what they are told
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Female 2,674
"Teach both in school as well as any other popular ideas, and let the kids decide what he/she wants to believe."

SCIENTIFIC theories (note: a scientific theory is not simply a guess. A scientific theory is backed by a lot of data and research. A scientific theory stays a theory essentially until there`s evidence that shows that it`s false, in which case new hypothesis` are developed and tested. Thus, scientific theories will generally stay theories no matter how much evidence is provided. That`s why even the theory of gravity is still a theory) are meant for science classes. Religious "theories" are meant for church. Education is not providing a bunch of contradictory ideas to children and telling them to choose. Education is teaching children what`s perceived to be the truth based on research (future knowledge might change this slightly, like how Pluto used to be a planet, but it wont change it completely).
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Male 6,227
@intrigid: With all due respect, selecting a presidential candidate because he`s been good at picking stocks hardly seems the way to go.

Unless I`m missing something, no federal money is invested in the markets. None, zero, zip, nada.
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Male 7,378
Simpleton logic. Inform yourself. Willful ignorance is not charming.
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Male 6,227
@aquaman: Yes, write-ins are allowed in presidential elections. This will be the first presidential election I`ve done a write-in. Some may call it a wasted vote--but in no way can I vote for the incumbent or any of these clown-challengers with a clear conscience.
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Male 192
madest wrong i believe dogs are descendants from domesticated wolves. Big difference and
@ Otto67 i said POPULAR theories, but IMO this is just an example of simple minds changing what was said so it fits the argument. Just for the record, i have many atheist friends, and enjoy conversations and debates with them, however unlike that argument, our debates never omit or construe what was said.
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Male 10,440
[quote] If you would take a second and look beyond that, you would see that he isn`t a good candidate for the presidency. [/quote]
Neither is anyone else.
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Male 683
Are write-ins aloud in presidential elections?
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Male 7,378
@mandingo3519, If you agree that dogs are the evolutionary descendants of wolves then you believe in evolution. Stop the nonsense.
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Male 541
Baelzar: I hope you see the mistake of privatizing prisons. I mean, doesn`t the fact that their stock prices are directly related to number of people incarcerated seem to you a bit perverse, bordering drating insane? A little something called the prison-industrial complex...
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Male 438
"and i say evolution is a theory"

Since gravity is also just a theory, maybe we should teach kids that invisible leprechans are responsible for keeping everything from flying off the planet into space, and let the kids decide for themselves.
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Male 192
and @ Kegomatix we teach fairy tales to our kids everyday. E.G. all men are equal( we are not its the rich are all that matter) police are here to help us (OWS enough said?) just about all things we teach kids are "fairy tales"
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Male 2,376
everybody knows we came from aliens
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Male 192
"Yeah lets allow schools to teach kids the great fairy tale so they can all as smart as these nincompoops."

I am a christian, however i offer an intelligent compromise. You say that creation is a fairy tale, and i say evolution is a theory, so how about this. Teach both in school as well as any other popular ideas, and let the kids decide what he/she wants to believe. That is truly the way to not raise "nincompoops". However the schools do not teach kids to learn, it teaches them to repeat and not think for themselves, and that is what made all these "nincompoops". Sadly, i doubt any "evolved monkeys" would take up that offer, and so my kids fail science because they will not say that they were evolved form primates. just like what happened last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, ....
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Male 15,832
...as if Barack Obama were sane, rational, or credible...or competent, intelligent, or, good-intentioned.
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Male 1,341
I`m with Madest. We can`t teach fairy tales as fact otherwise future generations will be just as stupid as this one.
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Male 914
Also, I disagree with RP on evolution, and I suspect I`m more supportive of gay rights and abortion than him, that puts him at about 80% agreement with me and that`s a lot more than I can say about any other candidate.
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Male 438
"One Nation Under Canada"
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Male 7,378
Yeah lets allow schools to teach kids the great fairy tale so they can all as smart as these nincompoops.
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Male 914
"If you would take a second and look beyond that, you would see that he isn`t a good candidate for the presidency."

The #1 reason to vote for him is that he actually has a proven record of understanding financial matters. He`s been invested heavily in gold for many years, and his worst stock picks have seen 300% returns over the past decade.
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Male 719
"Ron Paul. Nuff said."

It seems like the only thing that non-Americans hear when listening to him is the part about cutting back on involvement in foreign affairs.

If you would take a second and look beyond that, you would see that he isn`t a good candidate for the presidency.
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Male 914
Ron Paul. Nuff said.
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Male 125
Me before getting in the US.
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Male 37,910

MrOrange - "Under God" was added by the Eisenhower administration as proof he was not a godless communist. Macarthyism ya know.
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Male 2,418
Batmanners
Male, 18-29, Canada
3779 Posts Sunday, January 8, 2012 4:14:11 PM
"One Nation Under God.

Deal with it."

The "under God" was added later... So you fail.


Sorry? i failed to point out the current pledge of allegiance? what did i fail in? i am sorry but i fail to understand what my fail is i see only your fail in failing to point out a fail that i well actualy.. failed in.

"ever tried, ever failed, no matter, try again, fail again, fail beter" -, S. Beckett
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Male 10,845
[quote]Tend to do a better job than government, too.[/quote]

Actually their track record on the former is shaky. An exception to that rule.
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Male 626
Obama has been pretty incompetent so far, but he`s far less batpoo insane than the rest of them. Think about this: If Obama wins, at least none of the crazy current Republican candidates can win until 2016 and then there will be more Democratic and hopefully less crazy candidates. He also won`t be able to win again.
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Male 2,143
There is no god. There is,however,science.
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Male 4,004
"One Nation Under God.

Deal with it."

The "under God" was added later... So you fail.
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Male 2,418
One Nation Under God.

Deal with it.
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Male 2,516
how`s this different from any of your other elections ever? or for that matter in any democracy ...
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Male 1,399
Newsflash, ElMustache: private companies already run prisons & schools. Tend to do a better job than government, too.

Some of you probably believe in Ayurvedic medicine, acupuncture, crystals, magnets, astrology, karma, all sorts of superstitious nonsense.

As long as you don`t try to force it upon me, I don`t care what you believe. Ron Paul has been consistent in his belief that government has no place in anything outside of the Constitution. That`s why most of the status quo ante lovers reject him.
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Male 1,231
No, there isn`t. They`re all a shower of lying, back biting, hand rubbing gob pooes. I vote, but I end up voting for the politician I despise the least, which tends to be anyone other than Nick Griffin.
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Male 129
My opinion is, it isn`t so much in how they view evolution vs. creation, (I am a creationist myself), but how they view the constitution An atheist who is a solid constitutionalist will allow freedom of religion, as the constitution says, and will not involve the government in deciding which one is right or wrong. Les science do science, religion do religion, and let all be taught to cover all arguments-all taught as theory, for they all are theory, since none can be proven. It isn`t the government`s job to micromanage schools and such-these things belong in the realm of local government. So let`s find who will run the country according to the constitution and the laws, and stop playing gotcha with the candidates.
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Male 35
Keg, not voting isn`t the answer. People who idolize the (often unbacked up) ideas you see some right wing candidates toting will have their supporters out in force to (as they say) "take down Obama." If you don`t vote, your giving no backing against these people that you wouldn`t vote for. Not making a choice (not voting) is not a solution.
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Male 1,341
I don`t like any of them, therefore, I am not voting. Campaigns are stupid, a bunch of empty promises intended to hype people up just so they can land in the big seat.. I don`t like, or trust politicians.
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Female 1,386
And if that didn`t depress you enough, check out this vid (if you haven`t already):
Welcome to the land of the "Free".
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Male 2,422
When it comes to these kinds of social issues it`s not the President that matters. It`s the Congress. Besides, there`s a big difference between moderates like Huntsman and Sharia Santorum. As the link makes clear.
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Male 36,542
Eeenie, meenie, miney... oh forget it!

Here in Canada, we don`t have to worry about such things! We don`t have any say in who the party leaders are, eh?
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Male 4,004
@danagamer : Theory - not proven, that`s the only argument one needs to make a fool of themselves.

And if you`re one who fully understands the theory of evolution, then you also know where the loopholes are and are more able to form an opinion against it.

Same as saying you don`t believe in the Big Bang, there are different theories out there. Same as the end of the universe theories, the Big Crunch VS the Big Freeze, per example.
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Male 5,190
Ron Paul for me. But as I said before I don`t vote. :|
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Male 1,010
Still just baffles me that in the year of 2012, when we have GPS and cell phones, depending partially on theories that prerequisite space/time distortion and - the ability to look at earth- like planets millions of light years away amongst billions of galaxies... a substantial amount of people, even amongst our leaders - look up on that clear night sky, gaze at the moon and thing they see a enormous round piece of cheese..
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Male 4,004
Separation of church and state is the only way to look at the issue, and when you do that, it becomes very clear that "pro-life" has no argument against it, other than morality.

And if it`s a free country, then the moral thing to do is provide freedom of choice.
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Male 701
How can Ron Paul hold a degree in biology, not believe Darwin`s theory of evolution. I know first hand it is required that biology students comprehend it thoroughly
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Male 4,004
we still have violent crime, hard drug users, corrupted politicians and dirty businessmen.
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Male 4,004
"Ron Paul is personally against abortion, but here`s the important part: He knows it`s not a Federal issue. It should be up to the States. "

Right, except for the part that it`s up to the states. It`s a FREE country. If you`re about to die because your fetus is stuck in your fallopian tubes, it makes perfect sense to drive halfway across the country. No it doesn`t.

There is no religion to take into account when choosing a side on this dumb debate, the only choice is morality. It`s immoral to refuse to birth a child. But is it moral to not provide for the child as well as you could in different circumstances? I say let the person choose. If you`re against it, have a child. If the situation dictates it is beneficial for you not to have the child, then have an abortion performed.

It`s not like it`s a pleasurable procedure, nobody takes it lightly. Sure there are people who will abuse and have multiple abortions performed, but then again, we
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Male 1,625
Gerry: By the very nature of campaign financing, that is impossible. That`s why we need Public financing. No more business favors.
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Male 10,440
[quote] Do we even have one good choice? [/quote]
Nope.

Ahahahahahahaaa!
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Male 37,910

I`d settle for someone who hasn`t sold his soul.
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Male 1,625
Baelzar: Really!? Ron Paul? A guy who`s "Austrian Economic Theory" has never been placed into practice, someone who wants to basically dissolve the government, and let private business run prisons, police forces, schools, and fire stations? His entire platform is basically "We`re not gonna meddle in anything outside of the US, but you`re also on your own if you happen to live in the US."
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Male 3,631
Wow - I`m really dismayed hearing that from Paul.
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Male 10,845
<Clicks credits>
<Examines report>
<Suspects bias>

Seriously I`m an agnostic and Ron Paul IS the best candidate here. We need to reduce our government.
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Male 936
since when do religious beliefs matter? I want someone who knows how to run a country. I`m athiest and could not care less what the presidents religious beliefs are. So what if someone doesnt believe in separation of church in state. that is their right, its not going to some how change just because they are president though
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Male 1,625
Snoopy: How do you figure? Just because someone goes to a church, does not mean they are necessarily a good state/local representative, or even a good person. If you honestly believe that if a person is religious and that somehow must make them "good", you are delusional. People to terrible things in the name of religion, and they consider themselves to be "religious". The point is, they still take donations, and help write legislation that favors the businesses that helped put them in office.
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Male 1,399
Ron Paul is personally against abortion, but here`s the important part: He knows it`s not a Federal issue. It should be up to the States.

He`s really the only possible answer, if you`re honest.
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Male 25,416
meh.. politics.
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Male 272
ron paul isn`t against abortion, I`m pretty sure I saw him saying it was up to people.

we`ll see.
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Male 4,004
However, when I was undergoing my Sunday school in preparation for my first communion, we were taught the God created the world and Adam and Eve... and my question right away was, where did dinosaurs fit in? I knew they were around million of years ago, I was 8. And with the hesitation the teacher displayed, I suddenly realized the entire thing was a phony story, and lost my faith in the following weeks. (I had not been given the option of not having faith before then)
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Male 4,004
Why can`t evolution be part of God`s plan?

Always wondered what the problem was with this issue. The bible omits Dinosaurs altogether. We`ve had proof of dinosaurs for centuries. What if God created the universe and decided to create life later on, and decided to kill off the dinosaurs to make place for humanity...

The bible written millenniums ago will not get everything right, because they lacked the knowledge to comprehend the information they were told by the spirits/angels/whatever.

I don`t believe any of it, but there`s no reason for someone with faith to have to NOT believe in dinosaurs.
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Male 670
its appalling that someone who doesnt even believe in evolution is able to lead the most powerful nation in the world
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Male 674
Well a religious person is much better than a representative of the corporations.
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Male 1,625
If you honestly want to change the american political system, we need to move toward public financing of elections. This way the politicians running for office are accountable to us, and not businesses that donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to see that their interests are protected. This is not a Left or Right issue. Both sides of the isle take corporate dollars because it`s how they finance their re-elections, and by doing so, they compromise on the very things that affect us. Education, Labor, Corporate Regulation, Consumer Protection, etc. "Before you can save the world, you must be able to save your seat." This is to the detriment of our political system. Stop the favors, make politicians earn your vote, push for public financing.
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Male 1,471
Good luck, America.. May the Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on your souls..
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Male 483
So Newt thinks the U.S. will become an amoral atheist country run by Muslims? What kind of drugs do these people do?

That`s it. I`m going to vote for a urinal cake. At least it will make my piss smell better.
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Female 8,044
Link: Is There A Sane, Credible, Rational, Candidate? [Rate Link] - Do we even have one good choice? This data is compiled from the Secular Coalition of America Scorecard. Link in credits
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