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49 Responses to Half Of All U.S. Workers Make Less Than $26K

  1. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 5:49 am
    Link: Half Of All U.S. Workers Make Less Than $26K - And yes, that figure excludes the unemployed. Cenk Uygur breaks it down.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    January 2, 2012 at 8:54 am
    It must be the evil 1%`s fault.
  3. Profile photo of AntEconomist
    AntEconomist Male 40-49
    356 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 9:11 am
    Their numbers are, at best, misleading. According to the Census Bureau, the median income for males in 2009 was over $32,000. The median income for females was almost $21,000, and the median income for couples was around $70,000 See Tables 700 and 701 in http://tinyurl.com/6lk8khs
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 2, 2012 at 9:21 am
    There have been many societal changes in that period of time, more teens and college students are working, many retirement-aged people now work part-time to supplement their income, the US population has grown by over a 33%, and there are many more illegal immigrants now.

    But never mind all that, just blame the 1%.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 9:24 am
    @Ant: How are the numbers "at best, misleading"? If you combine the male and female data, using the Census Bureau figures you cite, it makes sense that the median would be at about $26K.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 9:28 am
    To clarify (because some here seem to be missing the point): Cenk is not blaming the 1% or any specific group of individuals. He`s blaming trickle-down economics, as promoted by Ronald Reagan in order to revamp the U.S. tax structure.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    January 2, 2012 at 10:02 am
    $26k a year? Good luck with that...

    If you want a better job, you have to be willing to move to where the jobs are! If you want to stay in your little hometown with that "white picket fence" then you have to deal with your choices.
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
    356 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 10:04 am
    @Squrlz: Misleading because the implication is that half of working Americans live on $26k. Counting co-habitators, more working Americans are part of a couple than not, that makes the "$70k per couple" figure more representative of what Americans live on than the $26k per person.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    January 2, 2012 at 10:17 am
    "If you want a better job, you have to be willing to move to where the jobs are!"

    If you want to move to "where the jobs are", you need to be able to afford to move in the first place.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 10:22 am
    @Ant: You make a good point. But the fact remains: The median income for U.S. workers is about $26K. Some ~looks around, innocently~ may take offense to the facts, but that`s to be expected.

    I suppose, to please everyone, we could require an asterisk next to that particular figure every time it`s cited. Something like: "*Note: $26K figure does not include wages of spouse or any co-habitors or Christmas money given by parents. Plus, if you do your grocery shopping at Walmart you can really stretch your budget."
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 2, 2012 at 10:31 am

    lostinkorea "If you want a better job, you have to be willing to move to where the jobs are!"
    You mean China? `Cause that`s where the jobs went.

    If you mean a job in the USA, well minimum wage in Kentucky is still minimum wage in Texas. So why go to the expense of moving?
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    thatjimguy Male 30-39
    458 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 10:32 am
    most people can move...and sell the BS things they dont need that they bought that they could not afford anyway.

    How many poor people do you know have HD TV`s and the latest video game system?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 2, 2012 at 10:36 am

    @ Ant - you have to remove the top and bottom 1%.
    Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet etc throw the curve off.

    With the top/bottom 1% not included 49% of people in the USA live at or below poverty level. This has been known for a while and discussed at great lengths in the media. It`s also one of the things the OWS is protesting.
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
    356 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 10:44 am
    @Gerry: You`re mistaken on two counts. The figures we are discussing are medians not averages, so Gates and company do not skew them. Second your poverty claim is patently false. I challenge you to show me Census Bureau poverty figures that even rise as high as 25%, let alone 49%.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 11:19 am
    Don`t come up to Canada. We don`t want your crazy kind here.

    ... besides... It`s too cold.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 2, 2012 at 11:24 am

    @ AntE - statistics lie. You have to be able to read them with all pertinent information. A family earning $50k is poorer than a childless couple earning $50k.

    Since 1858 the government published a Statistical Abstract that took all factors into account. As of this year they no longer do because it reads Doom & Gloom US CENSUS

    The newest poverty levels take into account regional cost of living and healthcare costs. Factor those in and the "poverty level" goes up. Of course, if you ignore things like food & housing 20K a year is plenty of money.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 2, 2012 at 11:25 am

    correction - 1878 not 58
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
    356 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 11:58 am
    @Gerry: Your link, table 711: Persons below the poverty line in 2009 = 14.3% of the population. Census poverty figures already account for the number of people in the household. The numbers just aren`t anywhere near the 49% you claim.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    January 2, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    Does this include part time workers as well? If so, then of course this will be skewed towards the lower side.

    Also, I can`t stand the New Bomb Turks, why do people even listen to these guys?
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
    1674 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    I mean The Young Turks, the New Bomb Turks where pretty good in their day.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    Gerry1of1
    Male, 50-59, Western US
    13590 Posts Monday, January 02, 2012 10:31:48 AM

    lostinkorea "If you want a better job, you have to be willing to move to where the jobs are!"

    You mean China? `Cause that`s where the jobs went.

    If you mean a job in the USA, well minimum wage in Kentucky is still minimum wage in Texas. So why go to the expense of moving?
    __________

    I moved to Germany with very little money in my pocket because I really wasn`t going anywhere in the US. I have the education and the work ethic but that really doesn`t mean much unless you know someone and well, I didn`t. So I applied for a job overseas (ANYONE CAN DO IT) as a civilian and got it. Was told I had 30 days to report to work and guess what...never looked back. It`s really not that difficult, PEOPLE make things difficult. PEOPLE make excuses for NOT getting ahead.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    going up 275% is almost quadrupling, not tripling
    x+2.75x=3.75x or close to 4x
    go back to school jack
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    January 2, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    still bored
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36834 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    AntEconomist - ya know what...you are right dude. Everything is going swimmingly. There is not problem and people are earning scads of money hand over fist. I can`t immagine why so many people complain.

    Everything`s fine. Plenty of high paying jobs out there, right?
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Everything`s fine. Plenty of high paying jobs out there, right?
    _________

    Just checked the job bank where I am and there are over 212 jobs listed that are currently paying over $32,000/year.

    Like it was said before, change your situation or quit bitchin`.
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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    "I moved to Germany"
    I guess that solves the problem then, if half of americans move to germany, everything will be golden.

    "Just checked the job bank where I am and there are over 212 jobs listed that are currently paying over $32,000/year.

    Like it was said before, change your situation or quit bitchin`."
    Wow. Well once those 212 jobs have been filled, I guess its just gonna be 49.99999999999999999% of employed americans, instead of 50%.
    Yeah, I guess that solves the issue.
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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    Guys, calm down, theres an opening for a job that pays more than 26k!
    Now if everyone just applies for it, and then everyone gets that job, all the problems will be solved!
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    morimacil123
    Male, 18-29, Europe
    96 Posts Monday, January 02, 2012 1:43:48 PM
    Guys, calm down, theres an opening for a job that pays more than 26k!
    Now if everyone just applies for it, and then everyone gets that job, all the problems will be solved!
    ______

    Or you can sit while unemployed/underemployed and bitch on an internet forum and not try. Your choice...
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    And by the way, if you broaden the search to the US for a GS5 or above you will come up with over 5000 job hits...

    Now what?
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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    well now we might hit 49.99999999999998% instead of 49.999999999999999999999%
  31. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    @lostinkorea: Congratulations on your well-paying job. It`s impressive that you had the get-up-and-go to go where the good jobs were. But surely you can appreciate that not everyone can emigrate from the U.S. due to (among other things) family issues or health concerns?
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    I made a little over $9000 last year.But then again I get food stamps and medicaid too.I`m living the good life!!!!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36834 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    "Just checked the job bank where I am and there are over 212 jobs listed that are currently paying over $32,000/year. "
    And only 700 people applying for those 212 jobs.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
    646 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    Shame on you. Shame on you.
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    AWESOMEBOT Male 30-39
    67 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 4:33 pm
    I make 14,000 a year, I am not eligible for social programs, as I am a white single male. I have a college degree and work full time. I work with the disabled, who in most cases make 5-10 thousand more than me annually, directly from the government, and generally do not work at all. It would be wise for me to find a new job, but it is easier said than done. Mad mad world.
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
    646 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 4:35 pm
    I don`t even understand what kind of total jack ass can argue with this.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 8:34 pm
    Europeans who say people should just move to where the jobs are don`t realize the US is a lot bigger than any country in Europe. My own state, Minnesota, is the size of Great Britain all on its own. It takes a lot to move to another place that`s significantly different to look for jobs. Generally, the job situation is bad everywhere in the US, especially if you don`t have a higher degree. Try doing that with a family and it`s even more impossible. Trying to sell a house is very tough as well.

    US vs Europe size
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    January 2, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    Solvent, it is.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    823 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    Look. I`m 50 years old, and I can tell you, I`ve NEVER. EVER. Seen middle-class people who are intelligent and hard working struggle like this.

    Times HAVE changed.

    I think the rich got greedy and forgot that to make a great nation, you have to give back to the worker in the form of a truly livable wage.

    I am reminded of Henry Ford`s goal of making a car his employees could afford. I just don`t see that attitude anymore among the wealthy.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 10:10 pm
    @thubanster: Your comment has made my night simply because it`s good to know I`m not the only one seeing this. Thank you and have a happy and prosperous 2012.
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    Tekas Male 18-29
    147 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 10:18 pm
    Move where? Europe? Stay were you are, not only we don`t have enough space for all of you, we are screwed too. Some people do succeed when they move abroad, but most don`t. And the ones that do succeed, it`s usually because they made sacrifices they weren`t making in their home country.

    Personally, I`m tiring of moving between cities (and countries) with my family and having half of my family and friends scattered around Europe, just so we can avoid starvation. There`s a bigger difference between moving to make a good living and moving just to avoid the inevitable for a couple years, yet people still keep hitting on the "go to where the jobs are" note, like there`s nothing wrong with the world and there were enough jobs for everyone.
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    Tekas Male 18-29
    147 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    (... continuation)

    Another thing people that tell you to "move" fail to see, is that most of families can`t afford to move abroad. Unless you are willing to sell everything you ever owned and maybe borrowing money from a bank just so you can move, without knowing if you will have enough time to earn enough money to pay the debt.

    And before someone starts bitching about me having internet... My family actually doesn`t complain about our situation. And yes, I have luxury: a cheap laptop (that has to last at least 6 years or I`m screwed), cheapest internet I can find. No cable TV, no fast food, no expensive cellphones (60dollar pre-paid ones will do just fine, although we get some for free). House heating always off during winter, no A/C, etc etc.

    Some people really need to get their heads off their arses.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14652 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 10:54 pm
    @Tekas Then get over being poor and enjoy your station in life. I`ll have fries with that please.
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    jeepjones Male 30-39
    554 posts
    January 3, 2012 at 1:10 am
    America this is why you so poor.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    January 3, 2012 at 1:51 am
    Gerry1of1
    Male, 50-59, Western US
    13606 Posts Monday, January 02, 2012 4:23:49 PM

    "Just checked the job bank where I am and there are over 212 jobs listed that are currently paying over $32,000/year. "

    And only 700 people applying for those 212 jobs.

    ___________

    lostinkorea
    Female, 30-39, Europe
    2434 Posts

    Monday, January 02, 2012 1:55:33 PM
    And by the way, if you broaden the search to the US for a GS5 or above you will come up with over 5000 job hits...

    Now what?

    _______

    You forgot that one...
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    January 3, 2012 at 1:56 am
    @Tekas:

    It`s not simply moving to avoid the inevitable for a few years. It`s, if you`re in a DEAD END going NO WHERE then change your situation. YOU have to figure out what sacrifices need to be made in the meantime. My husband and I have lived apart while trying to get ahead. Yes, it was hard but most people can`t/won`t get their head out of their a$$ to think long term. You make sacrifices today to have a better future. And in the military, you don`t always get to move with your family, you are not always with your friends, sometimes you`re in remote areas and it sucks but it`s short term. I`ve said it before, people like where they are in life. They may complain but don`t do $hit to change it and that`s okay but just know YOU`RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN THAT SITUATION and you have NO ONE to blame but yourself!

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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    January 3, 2012 at 8:40 am
    YOU`RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN THAT SITUATION and you have NO ONE to blame but yourself!

    Because everyone`s situation is exactly the same, right?
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    Tekas Male 18-29
    147 posts
    January 4, 2012 at 10:21 pm
    Move where? Europe? Stay were you are, not only we don`t have enough space for all of you, we are screwed too. Some people do succeed when they move abroad, but most don`t. And the ones that do succeed, it`s usually because they made sacrifices they weren`t making in their home country.

    Personally, I`m tiring of moving between cities (and countries) with my family and having half of my family and friends scattered around Europe, just so we can avoid starvation. There`s a bigger difference between moving to make a good living and moving just to avoid the inevitable for a couple years, yet people still keep hitting on the "go to where the jobs are" note, like there`s nothing wrong with the world and there were enough jobs for everyone.

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