Cops Kill Armed 8th Grader In Texas School [Pic+]

Submitted by: fancylad 5 years ago in

Don"t mess with Texas... cops.
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Male 49
Would Jessy shoot him if he were black
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Male 49
If someone pointed anything that resembls a gun at me with "Jessy Jacksons Permision" I would shoot him in the head to make sure he didnt get a 2nd shot
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Male 97
Cops did right. Would you rather have another Virginia Tech or Colombine?
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Female 191
I`m curious as to why the pellet gun didn`t have some kind of orange cap or marking indicating that it was a pellet gun and not a firearm. I thought it was required that all toy guns or any sort had that to indicate to law enforcement that it`s just a toy. The article didn`t say he painted to gun or somehow removed the cap, but I`m under the assumption he did.
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Male 26
I see a lot of people asking why the police don`t use non lethal weapons to subdue suspects with guns or knifes. The reason for this is if you get tazed and you are holding a fire arm your fist will automatically clench and will result in the disscharge of the firearm, if the person has a knife he could fall on the blade.
Using pepper spray doesn`t always work and can infact make the suspect angry and more willing to fire blindly. Any time a person of any age is holding a gun and refuses to put it down and then aims it at police they are required to shoot first and ask questions later, there could be innocent people in the background.
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Male 8,531
almightybob1-" non-lethal alternative like tazer or something would have been better"

Sure, YOU`RE free to bring some pepper-spray to a gun fight. An officer is smart enough to use the most effective method to keep himself and others from getting shot.

Corpsecrank-"amazed that a trained officer could not distinguish the difference between a pellet gun and a real weapon."

Here`s two pistols. One is a BB gun, the other a 9x18 Makarov:


Please, tell us which is which.

Take your time (which the cops did not have).
Examine them closely (which they could not do).

Would you be willing to bet your life, and the lives of others, on your selection?
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Female 220
Why didn`t he drop the god damn thing? Cops acted appropriately. The kid could have saved his own life.
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Male 14,331
@almightybob1

Many states here require that also.
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Male 4,290
McGovern: How did Whitman arm himself? By buying rifles and shotguns over the counter. In Denmark you require a gun license before you can buy guns, which requires proof of a legitimate reason for owning the gun, as well as criminal and mental record checks.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Actually, cops don`t shoot to kill; they shoot to stop.[/quote]
When you shoot anything, you are shooting to kill.


Anyway, a non-lethal alternative like tazer or something would have been better and stopped them having to kill him, but apart from that I can`t criticise the police. If you repeatedly ignore the instructions of armed cops, and point a replica gun at people, you are going to get shot, because the police can`t afford to assume it`s fake in a country with so many real handguns available.
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Male 132
Okay guys, this is how officers are trained. If the gun looks real, he`s told MULTIPLE times to put it down and refuses, and then points what LOOKS LIKE a real gun at the officers? You`re going to get shot. Real gun or not, doesn`t matter how old you are. The officers reacted appropriatly.
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Male 759
Darwin strikes again.
Next idiot please
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Male 25,416
wow.. looks like they didnt get the joke
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Male 14,331
@izaq

Charles Whitman killed 16 and wounded 32 with what many considered hunting rifles. What exactly does Denmark consider "ok" and "bad"? A pistol on average is only effective to about 50 yards a rifle is much greater than that and hit harder so in reality those restriction accomplish nothing.
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Female 42
What an idiot.
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Male 5,811
@Izaq: But if you didn`t have a gun, then the King of England could just walk in there anytime he wants and start shoving you around.
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Male 5,811
[quote]Actually, cops don`t shoot to kill; they shoot to stop. That means shooting the center of mass. Cops will never take a head shot unless that`s the only shot they can get.[/quote]

^This. They`re trained for center mass because it`s the greatest chance of a hit. Anyone who says they should shoot in the leg needs to use a brain and not just accept whatever they see on fictional shows/movies.
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Male 10,440
[quote] How the hell would you know that? [/quote]I assumed as much. If you don`t like my definition, I can make it "things are sad when there is a loss of any kind", which this story does meet, just barely.

My point is that I don`t consider this story "sad", at all.

Most people if put in place of the cop would have shot the kid as well.
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Male 219
@Izaq The homicide rate for Denmark (firearm related) is 1.46 homicides per 100,000 people..which is equal to most of the European countries (even those that allow firearm ownership)...so, apparently not all guns held in Denmark are fake...so, if your cops always believe they are...you have REALLY stupid police.
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Male 4,793
Izaq you are stupid. If guns were 100% banned in America, then who would have guns? Nobody? Wrong. The same people that deal with illegal drugs would then have illegal firearms, while our police have tasers and batons to deal with their guns. Also do some research, washington DC has more gun crime than other gun-allowed places.
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Male 40,739
@Izaq: And others who don`t think lawful citizens should own guns: Read This (I submitted it to IAB alreaady)

His `fake gun` was loud enough to be heard in the classrooms. He fired it inside the Principal`s office? That`s one loud pellet gun!
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Male 4,793
One less dumbass in the world. Maybe the kid shouldnt have brought that to school, maybe he shouldnt have been waving it around like a real weapon, maybe he shouldnt point it at the officers. I say good job lou. Dumbass kid apparently wanted to die.
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Female 8
I`m really not surprised at the behavior of the TX cops. All I`ve come in contact with are merciless and have a chip on their shoulder. I don`t know what that kid was doing with the fake gun, and I agree that it was stupid, but he`s still just a kid. I don`t think the police officers reacted well.
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Male 173
In Denmark no firearms are allowed to anyone except hunting riffles etc. Regulations are very strict. So if a kid holds a gun the police naturally assumes it to be a toy gun, because it always is.

Strange concept of "we need guns to protect ourselves"... from what? Gun accidents? Yeah more firearms equals more safety.

The logic is amazing!
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Male 1,540
@Corpsecrank

If you`re going to troll, at least don`t be so obvious about it. No one would actually believe what you said.
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Male 928
@pigsnout5 You really are a fool aren`t you.

With so many non lethal tactics mainly used for fun these days by police officers you would think they could deploy one here.

I am also quite amazed that a trained officer could not distinguish the difference between a pellet gun and a real weapon.

Yet the most amazing part of all is that they end standoffs with heavily armed individuals without killing anyone in the process but chose to open fire on a school student who could only be portrayed as lightly armed at best.
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Male 1,540
"couldn`t they shoot to disable/maim intead of kill?"

When you aim a gun at something, you`re prepared to kill it. Police officers are trained to only use deadly force when they feel their lives or the lives of others are in immediate danger. Doesn`t matter how old the kid was; he was aiming what appeared to be a gun at an officer.

“He wouldn`t hurt somebody,” Gonzalez`s godmother, Norma Leticia Navarro, told the Brownsville Herald. “It was not right. ... They didn`t give him a chance.”
Right after:
“The suspect was ordered numerous times to drop this pistol and he disobeyed officers` commands,” interim Police Chief Orlando Rodriguez said at a news conference.

Some people are so stupid.
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Male 2,737
@pigsnout-you hope he burns?Like in hell? for carrying a pellet gun to school? really? I hope YOU burn you F*cking ass lick.
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Male 2,737
Well at least it wasn`t another Columbine.Now we just have to worry about those who are sworn to protect and serve, from killing our kids. FANTASTIC!
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Female 546
no offense to anyone, but this kid got what he deserved. the cops told him to put it down, and he didn`t. how were the police suppose to know it was just a pellet gun and not a glock? i hope this kid burns for scaring everyone in pretty much the entire town. R.I.H.M.F.
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Male 32
Prayers for the officers that will carry this with them for the rest of their lives. Lethal force is always a last resort, and regardless of what someone says, no one looks forward to the time when it is used.
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Male 15,832
[quote]couldn`t they shoot to disable/maim intead of kill?[/quote]
Actually, cops don`t shoot to kill; they shoot to stop. That means shooting the center of mass. Cops will never take a head shot unless that`s the only shot they can get.
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Male 153
To everyone who is surprised by the whole "15 year old 8th grader" bit, the policy of the school districts of the area (at least when I lived and went to school there up til `99) was that you can fail a student up to twice from Kindergarten through 8th grade. After that, it was at the teachers discretion, essentially meaning when they got tired of 20 year old "freshmen" peddling drugs in the hallways, they passed them for the sake of getting them out of the school.
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Male 207
They gave him a chance to put the gun down. He didn`t take it. The cops did nothing wrong.
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Male 2,841
*Cop has gun*
*Civilian has gun too*
*Civilian threatens cop*
*Cop kills civilian*
*Cop is accused of police brutality*
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Male 182
A hispanic, 15 year old 8th grader? He`s seemingly been held back/failed 2 years. Big drating surprise. He sounds like quite the respectable citizen.
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Male 39,904

[quote]"couldn`t they shoot to disable/maim intead of kill?" [/quote]
It`s not like in the westerns. You can`t shoot the gun out of his hand. If you get hit with a bullet, you`re probably gonna die. The entry hole is small, but the exit hole on the other side can be really big.
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Male 1,064
Title should be changed to "Idiotic little punk threatens officers with a realistic-looking gun"
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Female 6,381
Sounds like a case of suicide-by-cop.
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Male 955
Grandma: "He wouldn`t hurt anybody."

Story: The event started as he assaulted another student....

Yeah parents don`t have a drating clue.
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Male 233
[quote]This is why police shouldn`t have guns as standard equipment.[/quote]

really? and what about the times when a kid comes into a school and starts shooting people?
or a bank robbery or a hostage situation

even if guns were standard issue they cops would have been given guns for this situation
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Male 2,389
"don`t cops wear bullet proof vests to calls like these?"

yeah, cuz they`re really effective against headshots.
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Male 228
"don`t cops wear bullet proof vests to calls like these?"

Bullet-Proof vests don`t make you invulnerable. You just so happen to get shot in the head you die.

"couldn`t they shoot to disable/maim intead of kill?"

Have you ever even held a gun little lone fired one? Have you ever seen the damage a bullet can do? People have died from gunshots to the leg, foot, hand, etc.

Simply put, a gun is a lethal weapon. It`s purpose is to kill. That`s why the boy had to be taken seriously. Handling him any other way would have been gambling with the lives of the officers and any bystanders.
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Male 15,261
"`This is why police shouldn`t have guns as standard equipment." Then you`d have to disarm the public. Maybe that`d be a good idea, except the bad guys wouldn`t hand their guns in, so you`d need to work on the whole social equality thing and that isn`t the American way.
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Male 1,582
Either this story has a few untrue "facts", or that kid just won a Darwin award. If you`re holding a pellet gun and officers with guns pointed at you are commanding that you drop your "firearm", you don`t point it at them as if you were going to shoot. So either something`s being covered up, or that kid was going to die someday very soon anyways.
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Male 2,033
Wait so...why are people upset with the cops? Some kid had a gun in a school, refused to drop the gun and then pointed it at the cops. What exactly were they supposed to do? Wait until he had killed a few people to make sure he was "super cereal guys".?
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Female 65
don`t cops wear bullet proof vests to calls like these? Also if the kid already fired few times, couldn`t they shoot to disable/maim intead of kill? But I guess heroic cops who are adept at handling these situations without killing a kid are not exactly the norm. My apologies, that was a TV show I think.
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Female 1,566
Sounded like a really douchey 15 year old, tbh.
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Male 2,690
@darkmagic14n: Agreed.

And yea...a lot of people were discussing this today and from what I`ve seen most people aren`t sympathizing too much for the kid. I mean..it was definitely a horrible thing for someone so young to die over something like that, but obviously could`ve avoided the situation easily.
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Male 233
[quote]This is why making fake guns that look like a real thing, which kids can buy at walmart is a stupid idea[/quote]

no this is why pointing a realistic gun at a cop is stupid in a school
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Male 233
a couple people say it was an air gun.
is this true? where did they find that out?

@Arazekiel

seems like you`re giving the parents too much responsibility. maybe they were concerned about the kid but unless he says "hey mom and dad, i`m thinking of taking a gun to school tomorrow" how would they predict it?
If it was a air pistol some of them look pretty realistic and you probably couldn`t tell at a glance if it was real, especially if you thought you were in danger of being shot

It sounds like you may have another source of info than be but how do you know the cops weren`t hesitant? Also, if by "hesitant to fire on a child" you mean "should never fire on a child" then i disagree.
1) he wasn`t a child he was a teenager and they are unpredictable
2) if someone has a weapon then the cop`s primary concern should absolutely not be who`s holding it
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Male 1,438
Ok, first, he brought the gun (pellet gun, but still) to school. Second, he let people see that he had it. Third, he didn`t drop it when the police told him to put it down. 4th, he pointed it at a drating cop. Reason enough to take the shot. The kid got what he deserved for being stupid in the 4th degree.
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Male 1,625
brownsville is hardly texas, if you`ve ever been there, its much more like mexico
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Male 87
what the f uck are you talking about "akabane"!!! The cop should get a medal for doing what he should have. and cajun247, i"m sure the three shots were fired very quickly, or maybe somebody who diddn`t bring a gun to school would have been shot. yes i know it was a pellet gun, but we only know this because we read it in an article. we were not there. the next time there is a report of a gunman, we will send you two there to ask if its real, unless you think that might be a bad idea.
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Male 761
This is why making fake guns that look like a real thing, which kids can buy at walmart is a stupid idea.
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Male 1,093
not looking good for cops in 2012. first the overdue library books, now this.
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Male 663
This is really sad. That being said, some of the metal air pistols looks almost exactly like the real thing, so it`s hard to tell.
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Female 2,289
don`t bring a gun to school, and none of this would have happened.

He was 15. He knew better.
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Male 599
Before the usual police flaming goes down, I would like to point out that the police were probably afraid that the kid would shoot other students, as that is usually the case in school shootings.
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Male 10,855
You know after 2 or 3 shots someone should`ve told the police they were dealing with an air gun for crying out loud.
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Male 35
Kid didn`t deserve to die. That`s just wrong, however that being said there were multiple failings here that could have been prevented. Firstly, the parents should have had better knowledge of what their child was up to. Second, police should have more training, I myself only have what I consider to be the bare minimum of firearm training. Yet, I can easily tell the difference between and air gun, and a real pistol. Also, the police should be hesitant to EVER fire upon a child, the fact that they were not speaks volumes for the shape of this country. I could rant more but, lets just say this should not have happened, and lots could have been done to prevent it.
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Male 303
This is why police shouldn`t have guns as standard equipment. It just causes unnecessary deaths as you can`t make sure all your police can use them properly.
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Female 3
Meh, kid deserved it.
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Female 2,674
This is really sad. 15 is so young. I feel bad for everyone involved :(


I was a 15 year old 8th grader, btw.... and I wasn`t the oldest in my class either.
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Male 70
looks like the mesh backpacks didn`t do their jobs. I lived in Brownsville for 7 years. I went to middle school and high school there. They made us use mesh backpacks (as I`m sure a lot of schools did) after Columbine so that the contents of our bags could be seen. But what`s the point when no one is looking?
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Female 2,674
"15 year old eight grader lol. that`s so wrong. "
They might have only failed 1 year, so it`s not /that/ bad. (enter 8th grade at 13, turn 14, fail a year, turn 15).
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Male 7,123
<i>Things are sad when there is wasted potential, or bad luck or lost opportunity. This was none of those things.</i>

How the hell would you know that?


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Male 934
When the cop says "Drop your weapon!" you drop it, or you get dropped. Totally justifiable killing, as the officers were concerned for the lives of other students and their own.
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Male 145
15 year old eight grader lol. that`s so wrong.
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Male 7,123
drat anyone who thinks Darwin Awards are funny.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Things are sad when there is wasted potential, or bad luck or lost opportunity. This was none of those things.[/quote]

It`s sad for two reasons:

1) Someone was shot dead. Apparently with good cause, but that`s still sad.

2) Two police officers shot him dead. Unless they`re sociopaths, they`re going to be affected. That`s sad too.
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Male 40,739
The kid fired his weapon 2-3 times, then refused to drop it when confronted by police? Sounds like suicide.
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Male 3,908
"A 15 year old eight grader" was all I needed hear before coming to the conclusion that this shooting is most likely justifiable.
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Male 3,208
I see that the whole no child left behind is doing well in Tejas.
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Male 2,422
Better than another school massacre

Now I`m going to go reflect on how drated up that statement is.
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Male 5,314
and that`s why we don`t take guns to school and then point them at police, children.
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Male 573
The 2nd amendment strikes again.
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Male 233
[quote]Fifteen-year-old eighth-grader?[/quote]

lol yeah that was the first thing i picked up on too
the kid was not smart i guess

sad that a person that young had to die but it seems pretty cut and dried.
don`t bring a gun into school


i wonder if the kid thought they wouldn`t shoot him cuz he was young?
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Male 39,904

Congrats to the poice for stopping him before he did kill anyone.
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Male 525
Jesus. I don`t know what to say, except:

Fifteen-year-old eighth-grader? How does that work? I`m seventeen, and I`m half-way done the twelfth grade. Did he fail or something? I wasn`t aware that one could fail in elementary school i.e. I didn`t think the teachers would let you fail, no matter how badly you did.
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Male 1,284

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Male 10,440
Things are sad when there is wasted potential, or bad luck or lost opportunity. This was none of those things.
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Male 1,231
I suppose we`ve just got to be thankful it didn`t end up another Columbine eh?
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Male 1,793
sad no matter what went on...
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Male 10,338
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Male 10,338
It is 12/13 Lord Jim. The guy who brought the gun to school was 15 in the 8th grade. Darwin award anyone?
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Male 10,440
Ha! Nice. Darwin award right there if I ever saw one.
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Male 153
@dkm458 "15yo eighth grader???? Hmmmmm......" Trust me, I grew up in this area and that`s likely a misprint. Most kids in eighth grade in that area are much, much older.
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Male 7,123
What is eighth grade in the states? In the UK it would be around twelve.
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Male 2,344
"He expressed alarm that someone had been able to get a gun into the middle school.

“This is really messed up,” said Lozano, no relation to Abigail Lozano. “I thought they had more security.”"

This is a stupid remark. Unless there is a metal detector and TSA-like agents, anyone can put a weapon in their backpack. I hate seeing parents try and pit the blame when it really can`t be controlled like this.

Anyway, that`s sad to hear. What needed to happen, given the circumstances, happened and I neither praise nor vilify the actions of the officers.
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Male 15
Hm, the details are sketchy but if he did indeed have a gun and was using it in an aggressive manner then you can`t really argue with the results.
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Male 402
15yo eighth grader???? Hmmmmm..........
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Male 4,593
You point a gun at a cop, you take your chances.
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Male 20,908
Link: Cops Kill Armed 8th Grader In Texas School [Pic+] [Rate Link] - Don`t mess with Texas... cops.
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