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  1. Profile photo of Fancys_Asst
    Fancys_Asst Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 5:14 pm
    Link: Brace Yourself: The American Empire Is Over... - ...and the descent is going to be brutal. So says political pundit Chris Hedges. This is long, but eye opening.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    Dude - someone had to watch C-span to record this..
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    Neyro Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    decent lol
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    3002-3038 Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 6:35 pm
    3 hours!? yeah no.

    also.

    "Descent"
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    THREE HOURS?! Okay, I`m sure this has some valuable content: but isn`t there a Cliff Notes version?
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:15 pm
    He`s smart, but he`s forming opinions based on beliefs, which were implanted in him by a deity. Form your opinions without divine intervention please.
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    Another slave to a false belief in a god that doesn`t exist.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    Whoa. I`ve just watched 10 minutes of this and have to give an update. This guy is BRILLIANT. I`d heard of Hedges, but never read him: Now I`ve got three of his books on my "Must Read" list.

    DON`T be put off by this video`s length. If you just watch 5 mins of it, it`ll be some of the most insightful analysis you`ll ever hear.
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    wikawaka Female 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    Can someone please summarize the video? I don`t have the patience to watch a 3 hour video.
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    Rawrg Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:30 pm

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    I`ll wait for the Reader`s Digest Condensed version.
    I`ll try to watch it in half hour sections as I get time... but 3 hours...hmmm
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    RdDan Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    Don`t care
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    Can someone please summarize the video?
    He`s a liberal.
  14. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 7:57 pm
    @Ollie: If you simply dismiss Hedges as "a liberal," and write off the video on those grounds, you`re cheating yourself out of some amazing insights. There`s content in it that would appeal to even you, Ollie. For example, he says "liberals have earned our disdain" (haven`t read enough of him to know for sure, but I believe he draws a distinction between progressives and modern liberals) and calls Obama "a mascot for Wall Street."

    @wikawaka: I`ll try to summarize some of his main points once I get through the video.
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    Grendal Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    Anyone that basis his political beliefs on religious beliefs isn`t worth listening too. There is a reason for the separation of church and state. You know what happen last time religion had a say in government. It wasn`t called the Dark Ages for nothing.
  16. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    Grendal:

    Anyone who bases his political beliefs on religious beliefs isn`t worth listening to.

    You`re suggesting no one take Thomas Jefferson seriously, since his deist/Unitarian beliefs were the foundation of his political beliefs?

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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    He really is brilliant, I listened to the first half hour. Despite being liberal, he holds some of the republican values in his heart.
    Definitely worth listening to if you don`t realize what a pooty state the USA is in. It`s not about class warfare and the 1% anymore. It`s going to be the people VS the Government & Corporations, and the USA will crumble, and other nations will come to make profit from the remnants of what was once the global superpower (FYI, it hasn`t been for over 10 years).
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    Cartunze Male 60-69
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    January 7, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    "The American Empire Is Over" was the teaser that sucked me in, however it is a misleading title. That being said, I enjoyed this 3 hour video. How did they sit in those chairs that long?
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 9:10 pm
    I literally just woke up from a 3 hour nap prompted by laying down on my couch to listen to this with a roaring fire in the background.. I feel smarter already.
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    Devlarski Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 10:21 pm
    The American spirit will integrate, influence, and conquer.
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    TkA Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2012 at 10:28 pm
    we already knew that:

    http://www.LittleScroll.com
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    number1man Male 13-17
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    January 7, 2012 at 10:39 pm
    This was somewhat interesting until I looked at the length -_- forget that. I already know America is falling to pieces.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    @Devlarski: Can you expand on that a bit? ~Squrlz scratches head~
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm
    spoiler alert: 3 hours of soporific drivel.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 11:03 pm
    @Draculya: Choose not to watch any of it, if you prefer. But to call this "drivel" is nuts.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 7, 2012 at 11:04 pm
    Squrlz4Sale, I don`t dispute what you said except that it wasn`t what I`d call a "summary."
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    Grendal Male 18-29
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    January 7, 2012 at 11:10 pm
    Squrlz4Sale

    If I gave that much of poo about your opinion I might give a poo about what he said. The reason America is falling apart is cause asshats like you spend three hours watching this video, rather then going out and doing something constructive like getting a job or say going to school or spending time with your girlfriend. I forgot...you don`t have any three of those.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 11:11 pm
    @Ollie: Yups. Haven`t attempted to post a summary yet. (I`m feeling a little lazy atm, lol.) I`ll try to put one up here tomorrow: it`s 2 am my time and I need to hit the hay.

    Seriously, I thought this interview with Hedges was amazing.
  29. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2012 at 11:27 pm
    @Grendal: What`s wrong, friend? Did my mention of your grammatical errors upset you so much that you had to resort to a personal attack?

    First, I`ve been gainfully employed for over ten years writing software at one of the world`s largest mutual fund firms. Second, I have an advanced degree. Third: well, I guess you score there. I`m divorced and currently don`t have a girlfriend. Although how my being dateless on a Saturday night is causing America "to fall apart" eludes me.

    If you want to discuss politics in general, or Thomas Jefferson in particular, without personal attacks, let me know.
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    oogah_boogah Male 30-39
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    January 7, 2012 at 11:29 pm
    tl;dw
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    C_Frost Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 12:13 am
    his analysis makes sense but his condescending delivery makes me lose interest.
    that and going back 100 to show how we got here.
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    Grendal Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 12:48 am
    I take back what I said, I decided to listen to some of this and I actually enjoyed his opinion and shared some of his same views. I honestly now want to read some of his books.

    I`m sorry Squrlz4Sale, I admit you were right about him.
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    Originalform Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 5:24 am
    "Yups"? Really??
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    Zach82 Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 6:05 am
    Alarmist claptrap.
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    andybme Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 6:12 am
    yeah well the Russian empire collapsed too and they`re still here and going strong. America just needs to stop meddling in foreign countries affairs, come home and guard our own borders and spend our money in America.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 6:26 am
    @Grendal: Wow, I`m impressed. A change of opinion is rare on here, and apologies virtually nonexistent. Thanks, man.
  37. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 6:33 am
    @Zach:

    "Alarmist claptrap." Yeah, `cuz having one-third of the populace living in poverty or near-poverty, a decaying infrastructure, and a national debt so staggeringly large we can`t hope to pay it off are all good things, I guess.
  38. Profile photo of PopCap
    PopCap Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:19 am
    Grendal, kudos to you for being open-minded and for admitting your change of heart, publicly. Imagine where we would be if everyone could engage in such fruitful discussion. Classy, man.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:19 am
    Squrlz4Sale: You`re suggesting no one take Thomas Jefferson seriously, since his deist/Unitarian beliefs were the foundation of his political beliefs?
    I don`t think his political beliefs were so anchored to his religious beliefs as you suggest. If I may quote Thomas Jefferson...
    "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
  40. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:37 am
    @Gerry: I think where you and the original poster are erring is believing that because Jefferson believed in a separation of Church and State that his religious views didn`t influence his thinking.

    Jefferson`s religious views didn`t just influence his thinking on political systems; they were the foundation of it:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...
    In this way, Hedges appears to be similar. His ethics stem from his religious beliefs. To dismiss him on that basis (as some were doing here) is a mistake.
  41. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:53 am

    @ Squrlz4Sale - Keep in mind the preamble to the constitution and Declaration of Independance were all tweeked by committee. Yes, TJ wrote the bulk of it, but words like `inalienable` and `self evident` were debated over tirelessly.

    But I`d never dismiss his massive contributions. And while Jefferson may have had strong beliefs he was wise enough to keep religion out of politics. Respecting that all men have their own thoughs on the subject.

    "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Back on topic.... I been saying for a while USA is over and the United Corporations of America are in charge. Ya`ll said I was nuts. Well, I am nutz, but even a nutjob can be right some of the time.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:00 am
    @Gerry: We are agreed re: your last post on Jefferson. (Lots of reconciling going on here today... must be some unusual alignment of the planets.)
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:11 am

    15 minutes into the video he makes the assertion that liberals cannot make moral judgements. WRONG! My liberal friends know right from wrong. They know stealing is stealing whether it`s a 5 year old at a candy story or a 50 year old CEO in a bank. Liberal and Conservative don`t enter into. Honest and Dishonest does.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:29 am
    People, don`t listen to this guy. He`s trying to steal Willy Wonka`s secrets.
  46. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 8:32 am
    @Gerry: I think what Hedges is saying there is not that modern-day liberals *can`t* make moral judgments, but rather that they`ve developed a moral ethos of believing you never *should*. An example of this (which I`ve witnessed firsthand) is when one person was describing an immigrant who beat his wife, a liberal of this ilk might respond, "Well, it`s his *culture.*"

    (Understand that while I`m saying this, I identify myself as a liberal, so I`m by no means liberal bashing.)

    Essentially, I think what Hedges is complaining about is that while he was pursuing a divinity degree and working with religious institutions, many of those institutions were unwilling to condemn immoral behavior in the name of "tolerance."
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Squrlz - Blame is held on boths sides of the political fence. But to blame coal on liberals when it was conservatives booting the subsidies is silly. Mind you, liberals have done their share of damage.

    Time to stop the blame game because that won`t fix anything. It`s time to stock up on food and amunition.
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    grindinblade Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 10:56 am
    @Gerry he isn`t talking about liberal citizens making judgement on everyday life such as stealing. He points out that Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall, and Obama has upheld Bush`s policies of diminishing rights through indefinite detentions and illegal wiretapping.
    His beef with the liberals is focused on the liberal politicians. While they preach about protecting citizens, their actions do not as both parties cater to corporations and political interests.
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    junkaroo Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    Definitely worth the whole listen.
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    PirateWillis Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 2:35 pm
    @Brassbull no its ok, (Spoiler Alert) he was working for willy wonka the whole time!
  51. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 8, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Grindinblade, No doubt Clinton and Obama have done their share of the work dismantling America, but Reagan deregulated...everything. Bush let it continue, as did Clinton and Bush and now Obama. ALL of them are to blame, not just one party or the other. Blame deflects from action to correct it. As neither party seems willing to correct the problems it`s obvious we are circling the drain with no hope.

    IF they took action I`d have a better outlook, but no one of any party seems willing to.
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    _Cenya_ Male 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    When this guys trims the fat off this thing and can get an interview with NPR, then I`ll listen.
  53. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    January 8, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    @Gerry. I agree with you re: circling the drain.

    The title of this link oversells it in saying "the American Empire is over." Hedges only says that there are numerous "red indicators" blinking, and that unless a major course correction occurs, he doesn`t see how we`ll avoid a decline that could be abrupt and horrible.

    To those calling this "drivel" or "alarmist": Hedges has witnessed first-hand the collapse of several governments and one superpower, so I tend to think he has some insight.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    January 8, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    @Piratewillis - lol, oh yeah. I forgot about that.
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    Moriachik Female 18-29
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    January 8, 2012 at 11:51 pm
    I have a bad feeling that it`ll be like the fall of Rome, if it happens...

    I really don`t want another Dark Age :(
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 9, 2012 at 7:47 am
    The flying spaghetti monster told me we`ll make it out of this guys it`s all cool!
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    January 9, 2012 at 10:21 am
    masters in divinity? he holes a masters in the state of being divine? is his goal in life to be dr. god?
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    LastJuggalo Female 18-29
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    January 11, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Yep. Let us illegal immigrate to some-effing-where else before it`s too late. For the the kids, man!
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    colorworld Male 13-17
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    January 14, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    This end of the world stuff freaks me out :-(

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