10 Reasons Gay Marriage Is Wrong

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago

The 10 most frequently used reasons in argument and debate against gay marriage.
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Male 646
I`m so bored of this topic too.
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Female 2,415
Sorry, I have forgotten the name of the author but it was a very interesting read!
And that post was also for people who insist that homosexuality interrupts procreation.
:)
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Female 2,415
I know I`m really late in replying to all these posts but I have to post something at EgalM!! Read the book "A natural history of sex"... in it you find out about a variety of lemmings/moles. There are only female ones; there have only ever been female ones! How do they procreate, you ask? They take turns pretending to be males; the lemming/mole in the female role spontaneously gets pregnant. Yup, how`s that for your immaculate conception?
So shut the drat up about how it`s unnatural and wrong; if god didn`t want homosexuality in his world, why is it everywhere?
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Male 4,902
@8BitHero, you look like something I`d wipe my ass with.
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Male 621
@CynicalGamer: "Arguing against whether or not being gay is natural against the use of air conditioners? WTF? Being gay is not natural."

A) "Gay is not natural": False. Examples of homosexual behavior are found in nature, ergo, gay *is* natural. (see here)

B) Underlying assumption "Natural is good": False. Anthrax, asbestos, and most gamma ray bursts are natural, but they can kill you dead.

C) Underlying assumption "Not-natural stuff is bad": False. Air conditioning, eyeglasses, etc., on the other hand, are not natural, but *are* good.

B & C are both part of what is known as the "naturalistic fallacy".

Anyways, I think we should go back to the original definition of marriage in the Bible, when it was between one man and one or more women. ;-) (Genesis
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Male 663
"When a man can be completely comfortable around gay people, when he doesn`t need to posture and display aggression toward those he believes are beneath him/a threat to him; when he can be courageously vulnerable and sweet, gentle and kind,--in short when he is utterly confident in his own Masculinity- there is nothing sexier than that."

This has nothing to do with someones comfort about their sexuality. This is just your own fantasy of a man. Men tend to "posture themselves" and act aggressively because we`re male, and that`s what most of us do.

If I`m being a dick to someone and not acting "gentle and kind", chances are it`s because they just said something stupid or are wearing a tapout shirt, not because I`m uncomfortable with whether or not I`m attracted to another man.

Seems like just about 99% of women are attracted to that macho poo too.
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Male 201
This is *not* an issue of America being far behind. It`s an issue of the whole world oppressing homosexuals. There are only 9 countries that have legalized marriage equality worldwide (technically 10, but you can`t count South Africa as it is only legal on paper; in practice, homosexuals are routinely raped and murdered there). There are, however, 6 US states wherein marriage equality has been established - 7 if you include DC. What I`m saying is that marriage equality in the United States would almost double the current availability of it worldwide. Even at that, it would still leave about 93% of the world`s population with inequality in regard to the issue of marriage.
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Male 5,413
America still to far behind
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Male 5,811
[quote]So yes the term applies. It is more an attack on the person than the issue. [/quote]

Um...no. Maybe you need to read wiki, because if you did you might see that there were rational arguments to the issue, but since apparently his derisive comment is all you noticed, then went and cried ad hominem because you had nothing of note to say.

[quote]you will actually see what I typed was "Argumentum ad Hominem."
Now go fire up wikipedia and learn a little something.[/quote]

Red herring.
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Male 12,365
[quote]You are citing one instance of my exchange with "it" while I am talking about the responses as a whole. They have been just shy of abusive and attacking from the beginning.[/quote]

The argument you were making deserves abuse and attack:

It`s irrelevant to everything.

You`re applying it in a way which is wildly inconsistent.

Then there`s the cherry on the cake - your bizarre scenario of everyone being homosexual. That has no relevance to reality.

You might or might not be intelligent and/or well educated.

Your argument is dumb. Very dumb. Amusingly dumb. It deserves to be derided, in case anyone is fooled into thinking it makes any sense.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Just thought I should point out to you braniacs who have been going out of your way to prove that I was incorrect when I supposedly said "ad hominem" when if you scroll down you will actually see what I typed was "Argumentum ad Hominem."
Now go fire up wikipedia and learn a little something.[/quote]

I could read Latin 30 years ago, thank you. Besides, it`s a common phrase in modern English.

`ad hominem` is the usual shortening because that`s the key point of the phrase.

And you`re trying to distract attention from the fact that what you claimed I wrote was not what I actually wrote and it wasn`t ad hominem.

Well, that didn`t work.
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Male 450
Just thought I should point out to you braniacs who have been going out of your way to prove that I was incorrect when I supposedly said "ad hominem" when if you scroll down you will actually see what I typed was "Argumentum ad Hominem."
Now go fire up wikipedia and learn a little something.
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Male 450
@patchgrabber

You are citing one instance of my exchange with "it" while I am talking about the responses as a whole. They have been just shy of abusive and attacking from the beginning. Using key words to put me in a specific light despite my attempts at legitimate discourse. So yes the term applies. It is more an attack on the person than the issue.
This whole thing has turned into nothing more than a few people trying to bully their opinion onto others and assuming they are correct because they are the most abrasive and "loud."
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Female 2,228
I`ve been sipping my tea and musing a bit, and having done so... well here`s my nugget o` wisdom for the day.

When a man can be completely comfortable around gay people, when he doesn`t need to posture and display aggression toward those he believes are beneath him/a threat to him; when he can be courageously vulnerable and sweet, gentle and kind,--in short when he is utterly confident in his own Masculinity- there is nothing sexier than that.

Just a little food for thought from chick world straight guys...
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Male 12,365
So while you`re right that homosexual behaviour is quite common in many other animal species, homosexuality as the term is applied to humans is not.

But I reject the whole argument anyway. Humans are different to all other animals in some ways and so the comparison is deeply flawed. It`s also part of the "natural" argument, which is a false appeal to authority applied ludicrously inconsistently and is therefore utterly meaningless. It`s an argument used by people who don`t have an argument and are hoping no-one will notice.
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Male 12,365
[quote]EgalM says; "There is no homosexuality in the animal world."

I`m sorry mate but that isn`t quite true. There are a vast array of documented cases of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.[/quote]

Right...but EqalM didn`t say that there is no homosexual behaviour in the animal world. You`re talking about different things.

The modern human concept labelled "homosexuality" is absent in other animals, but that`s inevitable because it`s defined in human terms and humans are significantly different to other animals. We have a different type of mind. Much of what we do doesn`t happen with other animals.

EqalM went on to point out another explanation for homosexual behaviour in other animals - opportunity. Dogs are the best known example - they`ll hump anything when they feel like humping, but they will choose a dog of the other sex if that option is available. Sex for dominance also occurs in other animals.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Well this demonstrates a clear ignorance of what ad hominem actually is. Just because someone calls you dumb doesn`t mean it`s ad hominem. Angillion used rational arguments to argue his point, then called you dumb. If it were ad hominem, he would have to have used "you are dumb" AS HIS ARGUMENT. Learn you some knowledge because you ARE dumb (and that`s not ad hominem either).[/quote]

I agree with your point about what is and what isn`t ad hominem, but I`ll also add that CynicalGamer`s claim was false - I did not call them dumb. I called the argument they were making dumb, which is a very different thing (and which, obviously, can`t possibly be ad hominem).
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Male 506
These are innane arguements full of logical fallacies and misrepresentations.
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Female 2,228
What exactly would you like to discuss w/ us avatar?



Is there anything in particular that you`d like to tell us about yourself? We`re all ears...
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Male 812
Hey, buttsex is great! You should probably try it before you condemn it!
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Male 661
EgalM says; "There is no homosexuality in the animal world."

I`m sorry mate but that isn`t quite true. There are a vast array of documented cases of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom. In rat, deer, dolphin, whale, beetle, and a vast array of other mammal, bird, insect and even reptile populations, homosexuality is very present.
While more on the bisexual side, do some reading on the sexual behavior of Bonobo Chimpanzees.

Being gay isn`t a choice. Only the most masochistic person would choose to be the subject of such hate, disgust, and rampant discrimination that many gay people encounter.
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Male 1,059
Hmmm... no mention of the act of inserting one`s penis inside another man`s rectum. Interesting how the pro-gay crowd never seems to want to talk about what being gay actually entails. Just sayin`...
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Male 5,811
[quote]You are layering your own ignorance or misunderstanding onto my statements and then calling me dumb (Argumentum ad Hominem) so there is no reason to continue a logical discussion with you. [/quote]

Well this demonstrates a clear ignorance of what ad hominem actually is. Just because someone calls you dumb doesn`t mean it`s ad hominem. Angillion used rational arguments to argue his point, then called you dumb. If it were ad hominem, he would have to have used "you are dumb" AS HIS ARGUMENT. Learn you some knowledge because you ARE dumb (and that`s not ad hominem either).
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Male 1,737
OK, this I will say. There is no homosexuality in the animal world. A dog will hump anything including your leg, doesn`t make it a legsexual. If you provide that dog a female, it will hump it. Animals do not make sexual choices like we do, they don`t wake up one day and choose to be homosexual.

Were not animals, we do make choices, please stop comparing us together.

I once saw a male dog humping a male dog, than a female came up and started humping the second male making a train. It was funny, but I can tell you 100% they did not know what they were doing.
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Male 1,737
I could defend the natural part with evolution or Christianity. However, who ever feels differently would disagree, regardless of how right I may or may not be. So there is no point in saying anything about it, because unless it`s a positive statement, I`ll just get chewed out for it. So much for everyone being entitled to their own opinion.
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Male 12,365
[quote]You are layering your own ignorance or misunderstanding onto my statements and then calling me dumb (Argumentum ad Hominem) so there is no reason to continue a logical discussion with you. Thanks for your time.[/quote]

I didn`t say you were dumb. I said the line of argument you`re using is dumb and the way you`re using it is very dumb. Which it is - you`re using an irrelevant argument in an inconsistent way. Which is probably why you haven`t even tried to support it - you know it isn`t supportable.

I`d also like to know why you`re using language, since according to your own argument the only true reason for anyone`s existence is procreation and everything else is unnatural. You don`t need language to procreate. You certainly don`t need a computer. So why are you using your unnatural computer to connect to an unnatural network to write unnatural language?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Guys I am all for a good discussion on this as it is a very important topic but we have to be adult about it.[/quote]

Then drop your ludicrous and irrelevant "natural" argument, which you don`t even pretend to apply consistently. That`s not part of a good discussion. It`s just a false appeal to authority, no different to people saying that homosexuality is a sin forbidden by their god. They use their god as their authority, you use nature...and you`re all just attaching superhuman authority to your own opinions.

Or stop using the computer you`re using to post here, because that`s unnatural.
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Male 12,365
lauriloo:

You are factually wrong and it seems very likely that you are merely reflecting your own prejudices.

If you really think there`s no middle ground between hiding/"standing around quietly hoping it will happen" and ramming it down people`s throats, you`re mad.

The main question is what do you really want - rights or fights?

To use your own "logic", you are obviously a hyper-aggressive loutish woman spoiling for a fight who has no idea what discrimination is because she`s never experienced any.

Does that work for you? Or do you think it`s an unfair summary that denies any possibility of anything other than opposite extremes? You know, like you`re doing.
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Male 12,365
[quote]You are incorrect. Whether or not I am talking about all or some of a population the fact remains that being gay can not result in procreation.[/quote]

That is true but irrelevant. I was replying to this line of argument that you made:

[quote]If we were all gay we would die out. That goes against nature (again I don`t care who marries who I am just pointing out the obvious).[/quote]

So I am correct and you need to read your own posts.
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Male 4,286
"im not against gay marriage, but i am against people pushing their views onto others."

Well then you have a lot of thinking to do about why you are still a Christian.
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Female 1,803
To those of you saying being gay is "unnatural" because everyone is supposed to procreate. Ever think that having a certain percentage of people be gay is a sort of natural population control? How long would our resources last if every single person on earth pumped out kids as fast as they could (like the Duggers)? If it`s not natural, why are there gay animals? It`s all so stupid.
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Female 1,803
"Trying to ram it down others` throats isn`t going to help the cause, eh?"

I don`t get the whole "ramming it down our throats complaint", usually exclaimed by straight homophobic white men. I guess because gay people don`t hide anymore it seems that way to theseignorant people. But guess what. Change only happens when people are confronted with injustice. Do you really think oppressed people are going to get rights standing around quietly hoping it will happen? Obviously, you are a white man who has never experienced any kind of discrimination.
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Male 12,138
[quote]When i was 14 i had a heated debate with a maths teacher who insisted that gay marriage was wrong.

He said that marriage was a christian religious ceremony and that god would not allow gays to marry.

I replied that marriage had been around a lot longer than the poxy little religion he followed and there is evidence that the original religion of our dear little Albion was a lot more progressive towards same sex couples.

I got detention.

He got flat tyres. [/quote]
Epic.

[quote]I`m pretty sure that every IMB staffer is gay because these are the only videos i see on this site[/quote]
I don`t think any current IMB staffer (sic: it`s IAB) is gay, as far as I know. We`re what you would call "progressive". As in, making making progress, going forward etc. Never quite understood why that was a problem for some people.
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Male 450
@LillianDulci

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the meaning of what is natural (including me). Natural can me of nature such as trees or the environment. It can be a state of being i.e. it is natural for humans to flock together into communities. It is also an apsect of the self i.e. it is a natural drive of all creatures to procreate and carry on the species. Because it can be determined so many different ways there is a lot of confusion.
You are comparing my use of our desire to carry on our race which is a fluctuating variable considering who you ask versus you being a female which is a static state of being that can not be changed. Apples to oranges.
@jamie76 I was joking at the end of my post. I thought that would be apparent.

Guys I am all for a good discussion on this as it is a very important topic but we have to be adult about it.
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Male 450
@Angilion

You are incorrect. Whether or not I am talking about all or some of a population the fact remains that being gay can not result in procreation. Thus it could be determined that it is unnatural.
You are layering your own ignorance or misunderstanding onto my statements and then calling me dumb (Argumentum ad Hominem) so there is no reason to continue a logical discussion with you. Thanks for your time.
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Male 1,252
Religion = bias political motivations.
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Female 2,674
"The one true reason for us being what we are is procreation. If we were all gay we would die out. That goes against nature (again I don`t care who marries who I am just pointing out the obvious). "

Something doesn`t have to apply to every single person for it to be natural. For example, I`m sure you`d say it`s natural for me to be female, I was born this way. But you`re not female. And if everyone in the world was born female, we`d die out. That statement is more true for females than it is for gay people. Because gay people aren`t infertile, they can and do have kids. If there were so many gay people that people were afraid of our species dying out, you can bet there`d be some kind of movement where male gay couples and female gay couples would choose to have sex with each other for the sake of continuing the species. But overall, it`s irrelevant, since something doesn`t have to apply to everyone for it to be natural.
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Male 2,345
Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
7982 Posts

PURE WIN!
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Male 2,345
CynicalGamer

so you are saying that someone could convince you to be or try being gay????

no you say...well you must be the only person exempt from your logic then otherwise you would be bound by it as well.

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Male 12,365
[quote]Being gay is not natural. The one true reason for us being what we are is procreation. If we were all gay we would die out. That goes against nature (again I don`t care who marries who I am just pointing out the obvious).[/quote]

Your argument relies on an obviously false assumption, namely that some people being gay is the same as all people being gay.

If all people were gay, that might cause humanity to die out. Probably not even then, because people would realise that they`d have to do something to ensure humanity continued. But it`s a completely irrelevant idea anyway. 100% homosexuality isn`t the issue. It`s not the same thing as a small minority being homosexual.

If you class only things directly related to reproduction as natural, then almost everything about humanity is unnatural. Thought is unnatural. Language is unnatural. Etc, etc.

The entire "natural" argument is dumb anyway, but the way you`re doing it is very dum
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Male 663
@blackcatseye, you really need to watch the video if you`re going to bother to comment, it`s actually in support of gay marriage. Dummy.
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Female 685
WTF? I don`t even have to watch this, #1 is already wrong, and there is also evidence that the CURRENT religion of "Albion" IS a lot more progressive to same sex marriage, or just maybe being a dratING GROWN-UP country! FFS America! If a guy has a physical aversion to poontang and wants to stick his rooster up some other guy`s poo hole, IT`S GENETIC! GROW UP!
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Male 226
i guess its just a good trolling effort. too stupid to be true :P
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Male 450
I don`t really give a crap who marries who but this video sucked.
Arguing against whether or not being gay is natural against the use of air conditioners? WTF? Being gay is not natural. The one true reason for us being what we are is procreation. If we were all gay we would die out. That goes against nature (again I don`t care who marries who I am just pointing out the obvious).
Then they compare being tall to conversion. You can`t make someone tall but you can convince someone to become (or try) being gay.
The arguments used in this video are just so stupid that it doesn`t work at being serious, fails at being funny, and is just wasting my time.
And now that I watched the whole thing I think I might be gay....OH CRAP! AAAAAaaargh!
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Male 612
im not against gay marriage, but i am against people pushing their views onto others.
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Female 1,324
@jteachey1

agreed >>; someone missed the point.
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Male 12,365
[quote]there is evidence that the original religion of our dear little Albion was a lot more progressive towards same sex couples.[/quote]

I wasn`t aware that there was any evidence of the original religion of this part of the world and I am aware that there is abundant evidence that back then it wasn`t one place and therefore probably didn`t have one religion.

I am interest in what evidence you`re claiming concerning the religion(s) on this island ~12,000 years ago. That`s assuming you`re taking the repopulation after the last ice age as the original inhabitants. "original" could go back more than half a million years.
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Male 12,365
[quote]This is stupid... i thought people who argue such a controversial topic would be more educated or argue with a better point. Hanging around tall people, seriously tall isnt a choice, its genetic. Gay is not genetic its a choice, if it was genetic you wouldnt be born.[/quote]

Are you trolling or are you genuinely not aware that the last sentence of your paragraph contradicts the first sentence?
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Male 27
If people don`t like gay marriage, blame the straight people, those are the ones that keep having all the gay children
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Female 2,674
Older than the internet.
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Male 1,093
lol @ tatripp
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Male 122
Fatninja. Dumbass.
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Male 25,416
This is stupid... i thought people who argue such a controversial topic would be more educated or argue with a better point. Hanging around tall people, seriously tall isnt a choice, its genetic. Gay is not genetic its a choice, if it was genetic you wouldnt be born.
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Male 1,196
I`m pretty sure that every IMB staffer is gay because these are the only videos i see on this site.
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Male 2,543
i wish we just made all marriage illegal...pay your own taxes and if you wanna have a dude in a robe say you`re this or that and wear a piece of metal, well thats your own damn business.
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Male 459
feh...
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Male 759
When i was 14 i had a heated debate with a maths teacher who insisted that gay marriage was wrong.
He said that marriage was a christian religious ceremony and that god would not allow gays to marry.

I replied that marriage had been around a lot longer than the poxy little religion he followed and there is evidence that the original religion of our dear little Albion was a lot more progressive towards same sex couples.

I got detention.

He got flat tyres.
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Male 4,286
Seriously, the person who made this couldn`t find the credits for the music so the put N/A? What a tard.
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Male 1,164
@xiquiripat

Bahahahahahah.
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Male 658
Oh who cares. Let the queermos marry already.
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Male 715
I wish they would just let them do it so I don`t have to hear about it anymore, why do people feel they need a contract to show love anyhow...
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Male 1,341
I was raised in a gay hating home. My father would constantly make comments about how disgusting and unnatural it is. That way of thinking found its way into my head, and stuck for a while. Then I got a little older, and gained some common sense. Now I don`t care, it literally means nothing to me that gays want to marry. Yay for being me!
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Male 256
I-A-B has officially gone from a fun, entertaining website to a politically, agenda laden one. So sad.....
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Male 2,422
Gay marriage is wrong because according to the Bible a marriage is simply a property exchange between a father and his son-in-law. Now how the hell are you supposed to know who owns who in a same-sex partnership!? It`s madness.
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Male 3,364
Heh heh...I can`t wait to see the responses from the angry conservatives.
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Male 4,431
Here`s the way I see it: government sponsorship of marriage is wrong. To me, that`s the real issue. As a government, we should not EVER discriminate. If we`re going to give tax breaks and other benefits to one couple or one orientation, why not other couples of other orientations? To not do so is discrimination, plain and simple. As such, government should either acknowledge gay unions/marriages, or, un-acknowledge hetero ones. I don`t give a rip what the church defines marriage as. I don`t go to church. Church people can marry their toaster for all I care. But, I don`t want our laws discriminating against any group of people based on race, religion, gender, nationality or sexual orientation. To allow that is not only hypocrisy, it`s a stain on our society.
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Male 3,894
Meh post. While I agree that gays should have the right to get married, the counter-arguments presented here weren`t particularly funny or helpful--and did just about nothing in the way of refuting anything.
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Male 36,400
Meh, at least it`s quick.
When the majority want it, it will happen. Trying to ram it down others` throats isn`t going to help the cause, eh?
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Female 4,349
to the point.
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Female 8,044
Link: 10 Reasons Gay Marriage Is Wrong [Rate Link] - The 10 most frequently used reasons in argument and debate against gay marriage.
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