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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:07 am
    Link: Tim Wise On The N-Word - An excerpt from ``Nigga It`s Just a Word or Is It?``
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:20 am
    I just wish we could remove that word from our language all together.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:20 am

    And that kiddies, is how you over-think something.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:54 am
    Rick_S: As good and as well meaning as that sounds, I believe it`s now an impossible task. Simply because of this, Just how are we going to `remove` that word from our lexicon ?

    Just telling people to stop saying it, won`t and hasn`t worked. The word may eventually become `outmoded`, possibly even replaced by something similar, but the source word will always exist, unfortunately.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:56 am
    If they don`t want white people to say it, then nobody should say it.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:58 am
    Who say`s slang should be used.
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    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:01 am
    whigga please!
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    CaptainPabst Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:12 am
    I love how for this guy it is simply a black vs white thing. Still hoping one day people will realize we are all the same
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:12 am
    "If they don`t want white people to say it, then nobody should say it."

    Whoosh...
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:17 am
    He said that he doesn`t like the term `red neck`; I though that the term was almost complimentary to people from the south, given that to get a `red neck` one had to be working hard in the sun all day. Anyone know different?
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:22 am
    "Still hoping one day people will realize we are all the same"

    We`re not. Nor will we ever be. We, as my people, will never become one and the same with the french, as a people, muslims, blacks, chinese, christians, or gays. Accept that, avoid trying to hurt those "other" people, and know you as a singular person can be enriched by sharing in the "other`s" culture and history, but you`re never going to be able to change "We" to fully assimilate said culture and history.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:46 am

    We`re not. Nor will we ever be. We, as my people, "will never become one and the same with the french, as a people, muslims, blacks, chinese, christians, or gays. Accept that, avoid trying to hurt those "other" people, and know you as a singular person can be enriched by sharing in the "other`s" culture and history, but you`re never going to be able to change "We" to fully assimilate said culture and history."

    You cynical relativist prick.
    Your statement is false.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:55 am
    The word would have gone away by now if it wasn`t for blacks constantly using and flaunting it.
    This guy is an A-hole.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    "Rick_S: As good and as well meaning as that sounds, I believe it`s now an impossible task. Simply because of this, Just how are we going to `remove` that word from our lexicon ?

    Just telling people to stop saying it, won`t and hasn`t worked. The word may eventually become `outmoded`, possibly even replaced by something similar, but the source word will always exist, unfortunately. "

    No doubt you`re right, which is why it`s sadly only a wish. :(

    "If they don`t want white people to say it, then nobody should say it."

    Nobody should say it.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    Only white people in general do not get what this white guy is saying.

    WHITE PRIVILEGE, is real, is the way this country is owned and run.

    white people say, WE ARE ALL THE SAME...

    NO, we are not white people. we are all different and SHOULD BE.

    white people say, we are all the same because they think what they think is NORMAL, is the WAY IT IS.

    in fact white people, we are all different, we are all unique. accept it, allow us to be different from you and do not make it a problem.

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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2011 at 12:24 pm
    it amazes me how difficult it is for white people to understand this issue.

    white people, you have owned, operated and dictate the direction of this country since day one. you have expoltied the poo out of every miniority that has ever been here to do it.

    that has left lasting impressions on minorities that still do not enjoy the same level of power in this country as you do.

    you think this is all BS because you have never known for a day what it is like not to be white in a white dominated country.

    most of you will never understnd. those that do, thank you for having the courage to see the truth.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    jamie76:

    Many people are not as racist as you are.

    Being racist is not a sign of "having the courage to see the truth." Many racists claim that it is, but it isn`t. Racism is a sign of cowardice and moral weakness, i.e. pretty much the opposite.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    Every time someone says to me, "white people will never understand," I have to wonder what they expect my response to be.

    You are essentially saying: You will always be in your group, and we in our group. There is no point in trying to change this. We will segregate OURSELVES into a state of permanent otherness, and you can continue not thinking of us.

    This is your solution? That is no solution.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 1:00 pm
    the word isnt going anywhere...get used to it...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 1:04 pm
    I just wish we could remove that word from our language all together.

    Even if you could (and I agree with CrakrJak when he says that`s an impossible task), it wouldn`t make any difference.

    People who use the word that the ludicrously badly implemented censorship policy that IAB has, the one that is deliberately mendacious and libellous, won`t allow the use of regardless of context (see how much better that is than typing the word itself?) will still have the same thoughts and still express them the same way. The word itself just means `black` (from the Laton word for black, `niger`), so there are other words that could be used in exactly the same way. The word itself is of no importance, it`s just a noise.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 1:09 pm
    Every time someone says to me, "white people will never understand," I have to wonder what they expect my response to be.

    You are essentially saying: You will always be in your group, and we in our group. There is no point in trying to change this. We will segregate OURSELVES into a state of permanent otherness, and you can continue not thinking of us.

    This is your solution? That is no solution.

    It`s a great solution to a racist who wants their favoured "race" to dominate the country at some point in the future (as, of course, all racists do). If that`s what a person wants, they must strive to (a) keep racism as strong as they can (b) condition future generations to be as racist as possible, (c) promote their chosen "race" as the superior "race" and (d) blame *everything* on the "race" they have chosen to be the enemy-group.

    Standard bigoted group politics.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    Still hoping one day people will realize we are all the same

    My hope is that one day it will be overwhelmingly normal to acknowledge that we are all different *on an individual level*.

    It`s acknowledgement of difference I want, not a false perception of sameness. A false perception of sameness is the basis of the way the other side thinks, those who think "whites" are all the same, "gays" are all the same (or "LGBTetcs" are all the same), "men" are all the same, "blacks" are all the same...whatever particular stupid and false reason any bigot uses to pretend their irrational prejudices have a rational basis.
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    What a Ni...ce guy? nah he is totally a Nigg-er lol
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    Siolas Male 30-39
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    December 18, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    Them niggas are probably saying this honky cracker is whack.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    Actually Angilion, from what I read the word derives from the Old Germanic "Negger," for `Tillsman.` I guess it`s safe to say that pretty soon we should be expected to hear li`l Wayne and Kanye passin` eachother on the street, shouting in salutation "Whassup Tilly?"
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    The only thing I am sick of is living in a country where if your white you are automatically equated to those evil motherf*ckers who owned slaves in the US over a century ago.

    Nobody in my ancestry lived in the US (except a little bit of native in me) until after 1900. In fact through my family history in the middle east and in Ireland, they were either slaves themselves or treated like second class citizens by an invading people.

    I personally find it racist to just assume that all whites are the offspring of "Crackers" who owned African slaves.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 6:16 pm
    Oh, and Jamie76, your argument is ridiculous. Where I grew up there was no difference in the whites, blacks, or hispanics in the neighborhood. The only people who were separated out were those who separated themselves out. In reality it is not black vs white (any racial battle), its the wealthy vs all of us. As soon as we get over the whole "Whites get everything" or "Blacks get everything" thinking, we will all be better off for it. Trust me, I am white and not a damn thing was given to me.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 7:21 pm
    He`s just feeding into racism by creating a separation between `white` words and `black` words that we just don`t need. Nigga HAS NEVER been used as a racial slur. Nigjer has.

    pooe is a variation on poo that means nonsense or foolishness. Do we confuse one for the other? No. We know what they mean by the context and anything else is over sensitivity.

    Black folks, if you want to beat racism here`s the answer...grow a thick freaking skin.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 7:22 pm
    Freaking stupid language filter. It`s suppose to be s h i t e and s h i t not poo...
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    Moosh Female 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 7:25 pm
    I understand people of certain races may be raw about the social injustices they face and may perceive a word as insulting due to its social context. That being said, I resent being told I cannot say a word as I don`t have the right to because my skin is beige. If it truly bothers people, I won`t say it, but only because I can respect someone else`s feelings, not because I think my skin color dictates (or should dictate) how I communicate or what rights I have.

    This man has over thought (as Gerry stated) racism to the point of being racist.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 7:35 pm
    "Black folks, if you want to beat racism here`s the answer...grow a thick freaking skin."

    Conservatives, if you want to be accepted into the human race, stop raping your children and sucking off your uncles.

    See how that works?
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 7:46 pm
    Nigga please.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    "Conservatives, if you want to be accepted into the human race, stop raping your children and sucking off your uncles.

    See how that works?"

    them be fighting words right there...

    with me being black i still agree with antagonizer. just because someone calls you a word that you don`t like doesn`t mean that you should get violent and throw your life away for an assault charge...at the same time i still don`t think that the word should be said at all...

    we all see where that idea is going...
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 8:00 pm
    Coming back to my previous comments, I realize that some conservatives might find them not very ver politically correct, so, I`m sorry if that offended you. Speaking of conservatives and political correctness....it`s amazing how Reublicans talk to each other, isn`t it?
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 8:05 pm
    waaah stop crying
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 8:09 pm
    @Collegebound: I never said anything about advocating violence. Besides, conservatives have a "thick skin". That wasn`t offensive to them. I can even point out obvious sterotypes like this and it won`t bother them. They should just "get over it".
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    SweetAngel92 Female 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    As a black woman, i completely agree that no one should use any form of the word(I don`t use it myself and my mama would beat me if she heard it come out my mouth), but I think the whole "i can talk about my mama, but you can`t" ideal is a great summary of how it should be dealt with.

    @Tommy your completely wrong. growing up in NC, I heard more than a few old uncle toms use that word against black people.
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    max5121 Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    I get it now. I don`t get it.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 9:23 pm
    jtrebowski: i never said you did. i was only saying that black people as a whole need to stop getting so wound up over a mere word...

    if you are referring to when i said "them be fighting words right there..." that`s just an old saying my mom used to say that i applied to your comment about conservatives.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:00 pm
    Actually Angilion, from what I read the word derives from the Old Germanic "Negger," for `Tillsman.`

    Is that via Arnold Schwarzenegger`s surname? I`ve read several different etymologies for that and the stated possible link to plowing is `egge`, apparently a type of tool related to plowing. Which might make `egger` for `plower` or `tiller`. Which doesn`t account for the `n`, which is a pretty big part of the word. In Arnold`s name, the `n` is from the first root word, not the second. So, if that is the right etymology, it`s Schwarzen-egger, not Schwarze-negger.

    I don`t know much about German etymology, only where it intersects with English etymology. But as far as I can tell, there`s better evidence for the `niger` etymology, from Latin via one of the European languages that have their word for `black` derived from the Latin.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:15 pm
    Just had a look around...`Egger` is in use in some parts of Germany as a family name and is listed as referring to a place, as many family names do. `corner` and `ridge` or `peak` are both cited (depending on which part of Germany, apparently).

    Just found an interesting 3rd possibility - a corruption of `Edgar` (which used to be a surname).
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 18, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    pooe is a variation on poo that means nonsense or foolishness. Do we confuse one for the other? No. We know what they mean by the context and anything else is over sensitivity.

    `pooe` is simply an older version of `poo`, closer to the Old English Germanic origin. It is not a different word. It doesn`t have a different meaning.

    But it`s still a bigger difference than your other example, which is simply a difference in spelling with the same pronunciation. At least `pooe` is pronounced differently to `poo`.
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    TypicalJerk Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:29 pm
    NIGGA PLZ
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2011 at 11:55 pm
    Sorry Angilion but your princess is in another castle. Every word comes from some other word, which came from some other word before it. S h i t e may have meant the same thing as s h i t centuries ago, but today if you were to use it people would be unlikely to associate it with a toilet bowl floater than something `foolish`.

    Language evolves and n i g g a IS NOT n i g g e r. Completely different meanings. Even so, using either word is a matter of courtesy. You wouldn`t want to use it in mixed company any more than you`d use s h i t e, but with close friends bad language is a matter of personal boundaries.

    I`m a liberal and anti racism, but I think anyone who gets offended over a word, no matter it`s history isn`t what they feel the word represents them as...they`re just idiots...oh sorry ejit`s.
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    Rawrg Male 18-29
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    December 19, 2011 at 6:20 am
    To quote that Swedish guy faqing Skyrim yesterday: What a pussy. Beat that bitch.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    December 19, 2011 at 6:24 am
    for the record nigga and higger are NOT two different words :| thats just a foolish way to think (imo) nigga came from higger because black people use slang...even if you go deep south enough racists say nigga and dont say higger anymore same word. different spelling...just ebonics.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    December 19, 2011 at 8:21 am
    @antagonizer, I`m guessing you have never been to the deep south of the US, trust me, nigga and the other word mean the same thing to a racist redneck piece of trash.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 19, 2011 at 8:28 am

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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 19, 2011 at 11:10 am
    Never use an epithet that can`t be directed at yourself.

    Anyone can be an arsehole.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    December 19, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    They have "black entertainment TV" (BET)
    Why is there not "white entertainment TV" (WET)??

    oh yea...that would be racist.

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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    December 19, 2011 at 12:52 pm
    Reminded me of this...offended by the "N" word
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    December 19, 2011 at 8:50 pm
    @a1butcher- they do have WET, only it`s called CMT.
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    defiythelie Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    " They have "black entertainment TV" (BET)
    Why is there not "white entertainment TV" (WET)??

    oh yea...that would be racist. "

    Please every other channel besides BET is WET no matter if its called that or not.

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