The Truth About The West Bank Conflict

Submitted by: 5cats 5 years ago in

Just the facts about the Israel Palestinian Conflict. It goes a long way in de-bunking the myths.
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Male 67
Wow, what a lot of bulls excrements.
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Male 10,855
Then the Palestinians still have politicians that need to be deposed. Because they clearly don`t represent their interests.
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Male 40,414
@Cajun: The PLO is gone, it split up after Arafat went to see Allah. It split mainly into Hamas and Hezbullah, and a few dozen smaller groups.
The problem still is the PLO, the "leadership" the Palestinians embrace.

PS: Arafats 3 wives and several children spent the last 10 years or so living in Paris, France. They had to live on a mere 200K (usd) a month! The horrors! The hardships!
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Male 10,855
@5Cats and Crakr

Then the PLO is the problem. Israel should encourage the palestinians to depose them rather than causing the palestinians more heartache.
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Male 526
why do i care about this? i`m tired hearing about logical reasons to support war. and in this case, i don`t even know who this guy is on, or how much of it is true - because he doesn`t sound like an outside party.
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Male 17,512
Cajun: It`s called spoils of war, if the other arab nations hadn`t attacked Israel, that land would still be theirs. Egypt is lucky that Israel stopped at the Sinai Canal, they could`ve destroyed their whole army.
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Male 40,414
[quote]Israel was established by the United Nations in 1948 as a joint Jewish/Arab/Christian region and did not include the West Bank Territory, or the Gaza Strip, or the Sinai penninsula, or the Golan Heights.[/quote]

@wiscesq: are you high on drugs? It included the whole of "Israel" including those places, except the Golan Heights. Revisionist history indeed!

[quote]why not support the presence of UN peace keepers?[/quote]

@yanj1: Canada is proudly serving that role in the Golan Heights! http://tinyurl.com/bpdohbb

@Cajun: west bank? Oh you mean Judea, eh? See, it`s important to get the names correct. ;-) Anyhow: The Oslo Accord, which Israel agreed to but the PLO did NOT, gave 98% of the Pali population in the West Bank their own nation. Not good enough for the PLO though! How can you "make peace" with a group like that?
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Male 522
the only man who can offer the truth about israel is dr. david duke
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Male 10,855
@5Cats

I was referring to the residents of the West Bank. It may not have been officially called Palestine, but the people there have always been Palestinians regardless of who controlled the region. Israel has no right to force them out of the West Bank.
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Male 14,331
sell*
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Male 14,331
Anyone here who supports the stoning of gays and the death penalty to those who sel their land to Jews raise their hand...

It`s really just a big misunderstanding....
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Male 5,811
Whenever any internet video has "the truth" in its title, my skepticism alarm goes off.
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Male 3,058
This entire video is Zionist propaganda bullsh*t.

Revisionist history at it`s worst.
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Male 14,331
@Chinchilla9

Try looking at where most terrorist organizations are based from and operate unabided. Actually try looking Isreals history and look at who wanted to wipe them off the map from their start.
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Male 40,414
[quote]Palestinians were there before Jordan was.[/quote]
Exactly! So get rid of the King, re-name it "Palestine" and tah-dah! Problem resolved! (I wish, but it would be a start)
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Female 89
This discussion proves that too many Americans believe the lies they hear on Fox News and CNN. If you support Israel`s actions you`re either Jewish or completely misinformed. Try getting your news from unbiased (non US) sources and you`ll be surprised what you find out.
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Male 10,855
@AJ

Did I write that?

That was supposed to say

"not a single chemical weapon."
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Male 14,331
Palestine has picked terrorism and given safe harbor to the leaders time and time again. Cut off all the money we give them and let them rot. I feel no remorse for such a two faced place that`s made no effort to change.
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Male 17
The founding of Israel was an invasion. You cant go declaring a new homeland and displacing an existing populace using bronze age religious documents as a justification. Israel is there now, we have to accept that and it`s right to exist, but they need to recognise to recognise the rights of the palestinians too. Stop killing them, stop taking more land, allow them to build infrastructure so they dont have to depend on crazy religious figures for leadership and let medical and buolding supplies through.
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Male 237
Occupied Territoy. End of.
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Male 646
The Arabs (and Persians and Turks) aren`t any better than the Nazis. Israel is the ancient Jewish homeland and has always been inhabited by Jews. Why shouldn`t they have the right to defend themselves? The Arab neighboring nations have tried to eliminate them repeatedly.
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Male 5
If Israel has the high ground, and the international mandate, then why not support the presence of UN peace keepers?
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Male 10,338
"They`ve given Hezbollah a single chemical weapon." A single one, is one too many.
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Male 111
Sorry, but this is a very misleading video. It is propoganda. Israel was established by the United Nations in 1948 as a joint Jewish/Arab/Christian region and did not include the West Bank Territory, or the Gaza Strip, or the Sinai penninsula, or the Golan Heights. Right after establishment, the Jews fought a war of independence which turned the area of Israel into the current Jewsih state. The boundaries did not include the West Bank. The Arabs, who had recently fought their own wars of independence from the British, attacked Israel. This was motivated at least in part to attack the "Zionist" claim that the Jews had exclusive rights to own the "Holy Land" (a region that is holy to Christians and Muslims as well).

The Jews and Arabs fought major wars in 1956, 1967 and 1973. In each of these wars, the West Banks was occupied by the Israelis. After 1967, they never returned the land to Jordan. It is, in fact, occupied territory.
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Male 10,338
The fact is, the Palestinian claim to a right of return is based on a historically false story. Somebody ought to have the courage to go all the way back to the 1921 League of Nations mandate for a Jewish homeland, point out the context in which Israel came into existence, and ‘Palestinian’ did not become a common term until after 1977
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Male 10,855
Furthermore Iran`s support of Hezbollah is purely political. They`ve given Hezbollah a single chemical weapon.
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Male 10,855
@Thonius

I got your refund right here:
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Male 987
I come to I-A-B for frivolous and entertaining content. I do not want to spend 6 minutes watching a video to promote a political agenda.

This was highly non-entertaining. I want my money back.
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Male 10,855
@MrLogic

I find your username rather ironic.
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Male 661
You know this reminds me of Battlestar Galactica. This has all happened before, and it will happen again.

This is an example of the three sides of the story, the Israeli, the Arab, and the truth. Neither side tells the whole truth, merely their version of the truth.

The unfortunate fact is this: This conflict will never end. Law, history, all are irrelevant because they don`t factor into this. The only way this will end is when both sides decide they are sick of burying their children, and that hate, on both sides, is just too expensive.
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Male 106
For those of you who don`t know, Israel is currently being protected by God himself, and it will be that way forever, even until the 1000 years.
Prophecy from Isaiah 66:7-8 was fulfilled on May 14, 1948, when Israel became a nation in one day. That is incredible. Here`s a site on more info about Israel and Bible prophecies being fulfilled go to the link.
Ezekiel 38 and 39 talks about an upcoming invasion on Israel by Russia (king of the north) and how God will save Israel from those hundreds of military planes and bombs. (hence 6 day war) So for those enemies of Israel out there, have at it. Let`s see how taking on God himself does for you. I myself would feel safer living there then even the US. I fully support Israel, and always will. prophecies of Israel fulfilled
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Male 10,855
[quote] Not, lets say JORDAN where they`re also from?[/quote]

Palestinians were there before Jordan was.
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Male 40,414
[quote]5 Cats, don`t pretend we haven`t done this before.[/quote]
And here I thought you`d actually stuck to the point @Baalthy, I almost overlooked that line.
I`M pretending WHAT? Me stating that you`ve done this over and over again, and linking it, is "pretending we haven`t done this before"? Amazing.
Otherwise you actually answered properly, and kept the insulting to a minimum. Perhaps there`s hope for you yet! Too bad it takes repeated postings calling attention to your "habit" before you do something to change it...

@xiquiripat: I love that map feature! All those HUGE Arabic nations and Israel is the ONLY place for Palistinians? Not, lets say JORDAN where they`re also from? (and form the majority of citizens)
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Female 89
Does it really need to be pointed out that this propaganda video was created by Israel`s Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs? You think this might be biased info? Misleading perhaps? BULLpoo, maybe? This is like a murderer releasing a video explaining how the victim actually died of natural causes, despite all that evidence against him. Would IAB be stupid enough to publish that and call it "the truth"? IAB, I don`t like you right now.
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Male 53
lest we forget the millions of plaestinian people driven from their homes to ease european sense of guilt after ww2... i honestly dont believe that there is a right and wrong anymore in this situation.. but that video goes under propoganda.
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Male 1,360
there is also a lot of fanatic hatred against the arabs in Israel, unfortunatly Israel is not perfect...
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Male 1,360
the one sided truth should be the title.
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Male 17,512
Male 17,512
Baal: I didn`t accuse anyone Baal, I stated the numbers, in that graph, supposedly `civilians` means nothing.

It`s widely known that arms are recovered from the dead in palestine, you never see someone enter a hospital still armed from earlier in the day.

Also many times suicide bombers will blow up an entire dinner, dance hall, or other establishment to kill a few Jews, while also killing a dozen or more of their own.

And the above doesn`t even scratch the surface of the routine practice of palestinians of using their children as human shields, knowing that Israeli soldiers won`t intentionally shoot at children. Then when the children do die, in the crossfire, they blame the israelis for it.

Palestinian hatred of the Jews is ingrained from birth, kids TV shows there poison their minds with thoughts of martyrdom and killing Jews.
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Male 1,093
it is similar to europeans come to the americas and killing and raping the natives. purely justified.
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Male 317
"These are not my own opinions, they are based on conclusions made by world renowned jurists, like Eugene Rostow, Arthur Goldberg and Stephen Schwebel"


Are you f*ucking kidding me LOL?
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Male 4,546
Also:

5 Cats, don`t pretend we haven`t done this before.

I said `you don`t count when Arab babies die` to crakr.
You said "HOW does he know THAT? His powers of ESP are amazing!"

My powers of reading a persons repeated justification of the killing of Arab Civilians, Amnesty international workers, journalists, UN members, international observers, as apathy to their life does not require ESP.

He didn`t say I was wrong. He just says "it`s ok because..." then makes guesses about why it might be ok. False guesses, grasping at straws for why 1000 dead babies can be hand waved away.

Crakr`s failed attempts at guessing what I would and wouldn`t do however are evidence that his empathy is a touch off.
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Male 4,546
"For the record: comparing atrocities is a fools game.
One side kills civilians ON PURPOSE and calls the killers "martyrs". Not nice."

Comparing atrocities is fine, when Crakr is making claims of total innocence to one side. A death toll 7 times higher "by accident" on civilians alone is preposterous.
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Male 621
@M_Archer: "No Arab was forced out of Israel; they left because they didn`t want to get caught in the crossfire when Jordon marched into Israel."

That is incorrect. You might want to take a look at the 1948 Palestinian exodus article at Wikipedia, for example, especially the Plan Dalet, where Israel implemented a plan to conquer and secure Arab towns inside Israel, and to then expel the populations of those towns outside the borders of Israel.

So, yes, the Israeli military very certainly did expel hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Israel against their will.

(As for my stance on the rest of this whole issue, I don`t think I know enough at this point to say who is right or wrong, or what should be do
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Male 4,546
M_archer:
Israel is only a peaceful civilization, under false definitions of peaceful. The chain that led to the last war in Lebanon was initially broken by Israel never having lived up to the peace deal.

They agreed to open several routes for aid and food, didn`t, bombed those that tried when they were still closed, then claimed the retalliations were the instigation.

Crakr:

The graph does state that they`re killed by Israel, none of the graphs count terrorists. They`re all civilian deaths.

You`ve accused ambulance services, the UN, and Amnesty international, of all basically being terrorists to justify Israeli murder.
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Male 15,189
>>Israel is a racist state and should not exist.
>Typical left-wing anti-Semitic claptrap.

I have nothing against people of Jewish descent, but the _state_ of Israel is an abomination a source of perpetual instability and I apologise whole heartedly to the occupied peoples for my nation`s (Britain) role in the establishment of the state.
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Male 15,832
[quote]Israel is a racist state and should not exist. Their laws are similar to any racist/apartheid regime that has existed throughout history.[/quote]
Typical left-wing anti-Semitic claptrap. Muslim Arabs are allowed to live peacefully inside Israel, practice their religion openly, and even hold seats in parliament. How many Jews hold parliamentary seats in Muslim nations? For that matter, how many are even allowed even to live peaceably and practice their religion? Who are the racists, really?
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Male 41
*sniff sniff* Smell that? That`s bias.
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Male 2,422
These may be interesting.
Tom Segev: Israeli Identity

And this map comparing the size of Israel to other countries and U.S. states.

Map

I live in Montana and the whole country is about the size of one of our Indian reservations.

It`s a complicated issue, and I can see both sides.
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Male 17,512
Hezbollah`s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah revealed in an interview after the recent prisoner swap between Israel and his group: "We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death."

Now please tell me how it is possible to live peacefully next to fanatics like those ?
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Male 17,512
Baal: That graph doesn`t say how those children died, now does it ?

With palestinians strapping bombs onto their own children, arming them with guns to fight, and or using them as human shields, so I don`t doubt the numbers. I do doubt the inference you are trying to make with that graph though.

Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom. There is a great difference between he who loves the hereafter and he who loves this world. The Muslim loves death and [strives for] martyrdom."
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Female 167
Israel is a racist state and should not exist. Their laws are similar to any racist/apartheid regime that has existed throughout history.
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Male 700
Great video, I did notice it seems a tiny bit bias tho
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Male 106
Very well stated. I don`t think it`s an issue of the arab world not knowing these facts. I think they just don`t care, because they don`t recognize any of Israel`s existence. All they know is their blind hatred for them and for the US. Pretty easy to understand, they state it constantly.
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Male 40,414
@davymid: at least you`re polite about it :-)
[quote]what do you do when given land that is already occupied?[/quote]
A valid point @icklevamp! If I had the answer, I`d get me a Nobel Prize! Other countries faced the same problems during the post WW2 break-up, many decended into civil war or worse (Rwanda, eh?).

Unfortunately @Cajun, it looks like hard-line anti-Israel parties are doing well in Egypt these days. Iran (which backs Hezbollah iirc, them or Hamas) is becomming a big player as the cards keep falling. A big player with a BIG STICK.
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Male 12,138
Reads caption: 5Cats submission?

Yep. 100% batting average intact.
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Male 959
Just the facts?! No editorial slant whatsoever? drat the drat off.
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Male 2,737
Ya know what, Make EVEYBODY get out of the area and give it to Mexico.
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Male 10,855
Same case with Jordan, as matter of fact many of those governments are facing some pretty chilling aftershocks of the Arab Spring.
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Female 375
@5cats, to be clear, these are not young rebels building houses and quickly being uprooted, these are families who have lived in one house for 50 years, or purchased houses which have stood for hundreds.
In fact, I can refer this back to the video, they say that the jewish people were given the land in the past, but the land was not a wilderness, it had residents, whether you would class these as Palestinians or Jordanians, or just randoms, they still lived there. Which is kind of the essential issue, what do you do when given land that is already occupied? There`s no real answer to that question but it is the important one.
I should also say that I strongly dislike calling the people who moved to the area `the jews` as many jews disagree with the situation and many of my best friends are jewish by birth, but pre Israel they were not Israeli and they are such a diverse origin that I have no better word.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Archer is correct, the muslims there want Israel wiped off the map and have never accepted any peace accords.[/quote]

Actually the Egyptian people got tired of their conflicts with Israel so they`ve backed off. I`ve already said that Turkey was pro-Israel since 1949. If you really want to blame someone for the endless strife in the region on anyone it`s Hezbollah and Hamas you should point your finger at. On this matter though Israel`s hands aren`t entirely clean either. If they weren`t so busy bulldozing homes maybe they might gain a real friend.
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Male 40,414
@icklevamp: That would be wrong, no question! I think (from way over here, I know a few Jews but none who`ve spent a long time in Israel) that Palistinians are encouraged by their leaders to build houses on ANY land, regardless of "ownership". So when the actual owners want to, you know, build their house on their land? There`s a problem.
idk if that`s the case for those you know, I`m just saying that politics takes many forms.

Halting immigration would be unpresidented in modern history, I think. Given that the Jews have been `forbidden` from comming to Israel in the past, I don`t think they`d like that idea much!
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Female 375
@5cats, I see the UN definition of `disputed territory` and sure, that fits here. However, I know a few people on the frontline over there, and they have personally been to the houses of people about to be evicted from their purchased homes because a jewish family has somehow proven that the land the home was on is jewish land. The homes they have spent their life working for are taken with no compensation and the residents are left homeless. A jewish family (often american or british, hardly ever Israeli native) is then given the house at no charge. That is wrong in any language and I believe could be called an occupation.
I think outside interference is required now and there should be a halt on immigration to `Israel` while it gets worked out.
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Male 40,414
Hooray! Someone who wants to talk about the video!

@icklevamp: Yes the video is one-sided, I offered it here because lots of news talks about this issue with a bias for the other side.
For example: Occupied Territory? No, it`s "disputed" and that has different rules according to the UN.

AIB has cool, political, funny, weird; things that (hopefully) cure boredom!
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Female 375
There`s so many untruths, half truths, and twisting in this that it`s ridiculous. Some of the comments are worse.
But my main gripe is why is a political propaganda video being promoted by what is essentially a comedy site??
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Male 40,414
Oh, since you`re going to need help staying ON topic: "stfu pal, just be quiet" UNLESS you`re going to actaully answer the question, WITHOUT insults, m-kay?

[quote]Baal: You don`t ask `hard questions`, you ask loaded questions with a false premise.[/quote]
Truth there @Crakr! Look at his "answer":

[quote]is because you aren`t counting when Arab babies die.[/quote]
HOW does he know THAT? His powers of ESP are amazing!

For the record: comparing atrocities is a fools game.
One side kills civilians ON PURPOSE and calls the killers "martyrs". Not nice.
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Male 40,414
[quote]5 Cats, allow me to explain what happens.
You pick a topic, and run on a little adventure of non-sequiturs.[/quote]
OK @Baal: NOW you`re just outright telling LIES? For shame!
http://tinyurl.com/ch4covc

Tell me how you`re "refuting what I say" here, by accusing me of being a PAID SPY?

Stfu pal, just be quiet.
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Male 1,284
this book as been written before the declassification of 1980
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Male 1,284
there is too much too tell read this

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Male 525
@Baal: You`re context-dropping. Israel has fought numerous wars with the Islamic dictatorships (again, I heavily stress DICTATORSHIPS--which are totalitarian and oppressive, compared to Israel)...but they`ve all been in self-defense.

Israel does not engage in terrorist attacks and simply wants to be left alone; the dictatorships can`t accept that--that`s why they suicide bomb school buses in Israel. When they initiate aggression on Israel with terrorist attacks, Israel has a moral obligation to retaliate. In a war, the fault of all the deaths rests on the aggressors, or the people who started the war. Every single death on your chart is the fault of the terrorists; I don`t know what you`re trying to imply.

I don`t know how you can side with murderous dictatorships against a peaceful civilization.
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Male 25,417
Never believe something from the internet when it has TRUTH written on it :P
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Male 4,546
The only reason you think Israel aren`t non-nice individuals is because you aren`t counting when Arab babies die.

You weight life according to your prejudices.

My "hard questions" are things like:
Pick an objective measure, then we`ll measure <insert topic here> using that?

What do I need to show you to prove you`re wrong?

What method did you use to come to that conclusion, and we`ll do the same with the opposing view.

These are not loaded. I happily ask questions not knowing what the conclusion will be. I set up criteria for failure on my part, and you never live up to the same.
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Male 17,512
Baal: You don`t ask `hard questions`, you ask loaded questions with a false premise.
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Male 17,512
Baal: I`m very surprised at that, your attitude on the subject points to a very different, anti-Israeli, point of view.

But let`s get to the facts, Israel has recognized the palestinian state, the palestinians haven`t done likewise, nor will they.

The palestinians still kidnap and ransom people, still fire unguided rockets into Israel, still strap bombs onto their children to kill civilians, continue to buy guns and bullets instead of food to feed their people, and then cry and plea that they are the `victims`. If palestinians wanted peace all they would have to do is stop being assh*les and accept peace.
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Male 4,546
5 Cats, allow me to explain what happens.

You pick a topic, and run on a little adventure of non-sequiturs. I will happily refute every point along your crazed little route, no matter how far from the original topic you stray.

You eventually run out of steam, and claim we`re off topic.

Clever, but transparent.

CrakrJak`s little game is to ignore hard questions, until I ask them enough times, then claim he`s being harassed.

Again. As always. To both of you. If you`d like a formal debate. I`m happy to give you one.
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Male 4,546
Crakrjak:
"Baal: And as far as prejudices go, would you sit down with an Israeli Jew, in their house, and have dinner ? "

Yes. Have done. Take your bullpoo, and your poisonous little mind, elsewhere.
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Male 4,546
Crakr raised 2 points.

He accused Palestine of ignoring peace.
He accused Palestine of not recognizing Israel.


I pointed out that vice versa is more applicable in both cases.

Do you not understand what addressing a point is? That would explain a lot.
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Male 17,512
Baal: And as far as prejudices go, would you sit down with an Israeli Jew, in their house, and have dinner ?

I sincerely doubt it, because that would get you labeled as a `Jew lover` and that is a dangerous label in the Arab world.
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Male 40,414
[quote]5 Cats posted it?
Automatically: This is bullpoo.[/quote]

Such a fine attitude for a Moderator to have! Don`t judge by merit, just look at the cover and say "this is crap!" Apparently @madest does this too, just fyi.

Oh, if you`re trying to be "funny" you`ve long ago jumped the shark in that department.
Your endless pattern of insults precludes any friendly humour, eh?

One more thing: I know, I know, you`re a Mod AND an IAB reader too, I get that. You have every right to comment and have your opinion voiced, same as me.
It`s just that: except for you and @madest the other Mods are a respectful, thoughtful bunch.
@Baalth: switch & slander Every.Single.Time!
@madest: threatens to delete submissions, lauches personal attacks that should (IMHO) get him banhammered.

And Now: back to the video, svp!
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Male 17,512
Baal: The supposed `peace deal`, you are referring to, included the palestinians acceptance of the state of Israel which they have never accepted and continue to reject.

The palestinians have walked away and rejected every deal that`s been proposed, because they can`t accept Israel`s right to exist.

That`s plain undeniable fact.
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Male 379
f*uck palestine, f*uck israel. let them kill each other for all i care. i don`t buy either side of the story. especially the side written by "legal politics."
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Male 40,414
[quote] a peace deal [/quote]
You mean the Arab one? Where Israel`s Jews lose all their farms, rights and freedoms? THAT deal?

Hey @Baalthy! You`re 3 for 3 now! Change topic: check! Toss insults around? Double check! Able to answer a single point made in the video (which you probably didn`t even bother to watch) NOPE!

Don`t you get tired of the same stupid routine? Switch, insult, gloat? A grown man, acting like that all the time...
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Male 40,414
@piperfawn: I`m sure your map has NOTHING to do with the fact that Jews could not own land under the Ottoman, or under the British I`d guess.
Since most of Israel was vacant in 1948, I wonder why "ownership" takes up the whole nation?
PLUS: the fact that Jews came in and paid cold hard CASH for the land they now live on.
Do you have a comparable chart for Palis in Jordan?

@Mister_Pedo_Bear: I think he literally means "paid for" but only he knows for sure...

@xiquiripat: I already mentioned this, AND I called them terrorists too, because they were!

@Cajun (and others) in 1967 three Arab nations mobilized their forces on Israel`s tiny border: they DID plan to invade, it`s a fact. Israel struck first, catching the enemy aircraft on the ground, or they`d probably have lost that war. Hense: defensive war.

@Psimon: Ooops! My bad, I saw this origionally on a Blog and the title there included: made by the Israelie government.
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Male 4,546
5 Cats posted it?

Automatically: This is bullpoo.

Crakrjak: There has been a peace deal on the table for 40 years Israel has rejected. Indisputable.

Israel has NEVER accepted Palestine`s right to exist, as demonstrated in this very video. But you`re a dirty hypocrite who`s quite happy to abandon your values when it furthers your prejudices.

Every time you open your mouth on this topic, you drip hypocrisy.
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Male 17,512
I can tell a lot of you, under 30, have been taught a lot of horsesh|t revisionist history when it comes to Israel.

Archer is correct, the muslims there want Israel wiped off the map and have never accepted any peace accords. Until muslim attitudes toward Israel change, and recognize Israel`s right to exist, there will be no peace.
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Male 39,619

how many arab nations are there? plenty
How many jewish nations? 1
so leave isreal alone already
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Male 10,338
Palestine was never it`s own country. It was a province.
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Male 2,422
Israel taught its neighbors that terrorism could be effective in creating a state when they used it to push out the British. Don`t forget that Israels first two Prime Ministers were part of terrorist groups. Or is it anti-semitic to point that out?

Read Haaretz.
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Male 626
I`m pretty sure Israel started the war with Egypt and Jordan in 1967 with a preemptive attack on their airfields, not Egypt and Jordan.
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Male 5,148
HalfSandwich is a map that i`ve taken from http://www.bbc.co.uk some time ago, i can`t help you to find the specific page, sorry.
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Male 42
M Archer, I want to inform you that no argument will be taken seriously in this age if you call anyone a "barbarian".

The criteria for intellectual, English debate is superficial respect and brevity.
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Male 525
I really liked this video.

No matter how much context-dropping and fact-diverging that Arab dictatorships around Israel use, they can`t hide the fact that they won`t rest until Israel is wiped off the face of the planet with a genocide paralleled to that of the holocaust. Israel has made nothing but compromises and all they`re rewarded from the Arabs is pain and suffering.

When Israel government was first set up, they promised that the Arabs already living there would get equal treatment and protection under the law; they even made their official languages both Hebrew and Arabic! No Arab was forced out of Israel; they left because they didn`t want to get caught in the crossfire when Jordon marched into Israel.

I`d like to point out that I`m not Jewish, nor do I believe that you should be entitled to land because of your ethnic background i.e. I`m not a racist. Israel is a somewhat free country surrounded by barbarians, so I side with Israel.
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Male 68
@5Cats, I agree with most of this, and that we should stick to facts. But you say "It was made by the government of Israel, it says so right from the get-go! " Where? I only see that near the end.
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Male 10,855
Hmmm...

[quote]Produced for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs[/quote]

@1:00

WRONG! Israel launched a SURPRISE ATTACK against the Arabs. Jordan signed a pact with Egypt POST FACTO.
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Male 468
Since it was entertaining and humorous, it must be true!
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Male 5,148
VirtualParty you must to discern between the will of Palestinans and the actions of Israeli army. Untill today the only one that are persuing a genocide are the Israelians.Take a look at this
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Male 145
@piperfawn

what is the source of your map? its very fancy, don`t get me wrong, but i`m curious who made it.
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Male 1,397
Biased.
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Male 1,449
Actual facts? This will never catch on.....
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Male 787
This is just propaganda. Palestine just wants to genocide Israel and theres no other way around it. That is simply the truth.
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Male 145
@madduck

you have described what happened to the jews in europe and the middle east well. for generations they lived in peace until antisemitism began to spring up everywhere. once israel was recognized and the europeans could get rid of their jews(minus the millions they killed), the middle eastern and north african jews were also forced to leave (where they lived for thousands of years) and go to israel. id be angry, given the situation.
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Male 997
@5cats i think piperfawns argument is. Have Arab countries paid/been punished for invading Israel, answer being No. But does that mean Israel are justified in their actions now also no as two wrongs don`t make a right. So don`t say it`s ok to `occupy` Palestine say it was bad for Arabs to invade Israel... Because to Israeli`s israel is the supreme Jewish state so it`s ok for the rest of the world it`s just another state so can`t do what it wants.

Poorly written though....
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Male 5,148
* note to the map i`ve posted, The map stop at 2000, nowaday the situation is worst for Palestinians.
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Male 5,148
Hmm 5Cats have you ever heard about First Gulf War? This is the first episode i can bring you as an example. Oh and for yor first question i invite you to take a look to this map. Facts 5Cats,not words, facts.
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Male 1,284
i dont want to talk to much about this but take a look at this


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Male 40,414
@piperfawn: Who exactly has Israel invaded? Look at the 1948 border: THAT is Israel! All of it! Yet they`ve handed over Gaza to the Palis and tried to give 40% of the West Bank to them too.

Arab states `paid for` their invasions? How so? When? I`m not trying to be rude, but I`ve never heard that before.
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Male 5,148
Arabs states have invaded and payed for invasion, Israel no. If someone do something wrong is not an excuse to do another wrong thing. If you think that is incorrect from Arabs states to invade,you must say that is in correct from Israel also to invade. Israel is the supreme land of the Lord for Jewish but for the rest of the world Isreal is just another state like others that don`t have any right to infringe global resolutions.
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Male 40,414
As for the cries of "Bias!" well DUH! It was made by the government of Israel, it says so right from the get-go!

Stick to the facts please: is what is said correct or not? What evidence do you offer for that? Your opinion is just fine, in my opinion, but to persuade others to agree you tend to need a bit more, eh?

[quote]47% of all jews live in america[/quote]
Right @SnoopyBG! A lot more used to live in EUROPE (where you`re from) before the gas chambers, eh? What`s your point? Jews were restricted from moving to "British Trans-Jordan" before the war, remember?
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Male 40,414
@piperfawn Riiight, and all those times the Arabs have invaded were just... misunderstandings!

Why relocate ONLY the Jews? Why not relocate the Palis to their actual homeland: JORDAN!

( I only abbreviate "Palistinians" to "Palis" because of the charecter count, not out of spite, disrespect or malice, just fyi everyone!)
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Male 2,419
@jacos27
as far as i understand, neither the brits nor the UN "gave" the land to the jews, the jews declared the state of isreal acording to the proposal from the UN, which then lead to the arab isreal war..
as is usual for any statement about isreal and it`s oh so good intentions this message is full of Bulls-hit
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Male 5,148
5Cats don`t lie pls! U.N have condemned Israle like many other countries, but the difference is... that all other countries had to pay for that condemnation except Israel. So please stop with jewish cry, is to old, not working anymore in 2011.
All the world nowaday know the true face of Israel and is the face of an aggressor , not the face of a poor child abused in the mddle of a desert like they want us to belive.
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Female 105
I find this video to be incredibly biased. It was created for the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I am Jewish and I do believe in a Jewish homeland, but I stand against the way in which Israel is trying to define it`s borders. Just because Palestine has never been recognized as a country does not mean that the people who define themselves as Palestinians do not hold sway, and have no importance.
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Male 5,148
I have the solution, let`s Israel move out and occupy the house of this idiot and the house of 5Cats also.
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Male 40,414
[quote]Israel have infringed lot of UN resolutions[/quote]
@piperfawn: That`s because the UN allows resolutions not based on truth or justice, but on politics. Israel is condemned for doing what 30 other countries do too, but THEY don`t get resolutions against them.

The USA backs Israel because it`s the morally correct thing to do? Just a thought.
The USA also backs dozens of other nations too, don`t forget that. Some good, some pure evil.
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Male 246
I think there`s a distinction we need to make here.

the Jews aren`t people of a religion, but more like Judaism is a religion of a people known as Jews.

There`s a difference between the religion and the nation (nation in the ethnic sense of the word, not the country sense of it) There are secular Jews, which in Israel outnumber religious Jews vastly.

I`ve seen a few posts that call Jews a religion. I just wanted to shut them up.
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Male 1,745
Lol, what a bunch of BS. So if China gives Nepal to Italy, that will be perfectly legal.
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Male 40,414
[quote]the British decided not to continue occupying it...[/quote]
Probably got tired of the Jewish terrorists attacks, @jacos27. Yes, Jews who attacked British military targets were terrorists (to the Brits) but that`s a whole other can of worms, eh?

I say "m-kay" insted of "if you can`t understand this then you`re a motherdrating idiot" , m-kay @LordJim?

[quote]No this isn`t biased.[/quote]
[quote]Stupid religion is stupid.[/quote]
Thank you SO MUCH for your valuable contributions to this thread @madest! (at least you didn`t change the subject like @baalthy! lolz!)
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Female 105
Smagboy1: The American government backs Israel because the elected leaders of the United States want to gain Jewish support, so that they can be re-elected to office.
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Male 246
@Jaime76

The Jews knew is wasn`t an empty land. Ahad Ha`am said numerous times in his writings that they had to take into account the others who lived there.

And you make it seem like the Jews just up and left the area for no reason to go to Europe. When the Roman Empire fell, they were driven away when Islam spread in the eastern half of the Empire (where Palestine is) The land was called Judaea (forgive my spelling) by the Romans long before the Arabs changed it`s name to Palestine. Then in Europe, the Jews had to endure a long period of persecution, this drove the Jews to want a national homeland where their culture can thrive. They didn`t just have this "oh we decided to move back because we felt like it" like you imply
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Female 8,006
If your family owned a house and a bit of land, you had lived there for generations, not making loads of money but surviving and making do I suspect you would be REALLY angry if someone came along and pushed you off your land. The roots of this trouble lie with that- not big politics- but people told to move away from their homes for no good reason that they could see.
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Male 5,148
5Cats also Israel have a homeland, the one designed after ww2, they are a minority there so why they don`t take back their occupy armies and leave the world in peace. Israel have infringed lot of UN resolutions, no matter what this man say. The non political correct is this idiot that discuss about words while Israel army use weapons, not words.In 2011 claiming to have right on land cause of religious motivation is something that leave us chained to a medieval reasoning. Israel must go the f*uck out from lands that dont own and pay for the multiple crimes that have committed. This man do a discussion about words while people die under a nazi oppressive and illegal occupation. That`s all,i leave the shining mirrors to this idiot and i keep looking at the facts.
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Male 684
47% of all jews live in america
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Male 40,414
@jamie76: fyi: EVERY square foot of land on the planet has been taken from someone else. You mention North American Native tribes? THEY took thier land from other tribes too! So what`s your point?

Who did the Canninites take the land from? And so on, back to the stone age times.

@antagonizer: that`s why the Oslo accord, which the Palis rejected, gave land occupied by Jews to Israel, and land occupied by Palis to them. But apparently 98% of what they want isn`t enough for Palistinians to end their wars against Jews...
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Male 7,378
Stupid religion is stupid.
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Male 106
This. Is. Stupid.
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Male 4,431
What an amazing piece of propaganda! Wow. But, hey, nothing wrong with rewriting history. To the victor goes the spoils, right? But why we (the US) need to back Israel, support them, give them money, etc., I have no clue.
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Male 7,123
Gerry,

Montana? It`s pretty but an economic basket case. Can`t we have somewhere more more viable?
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Male 42
Israeli guy arguing that his country is not a product of 20th century, Western imperialism. Neat...
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Male 246
Good True Accurate. Although, the mandate stuff is a bit iffy. The mandate was for Britain to give Palestine to the Jews, but the British were reluctant to give it to them and even restricted Jewish immigration. This was until 1948 when the mandate (issued by the league of nations) expired when the U.N. was formed, and the British decided not to continue occupying it for unknown reasons. Then the U.N. as a whole gave the land to the Jews partitioning it with the Arabs. The British were not the ones who gave the Jews their land. I feel like that wasn`t clear enough in the video.
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Male 7,123
PacoP42

Are you familiar with the concept of numbers?

5Cats,

Using the term `m-kay?` does not magically imbue you with the caustic wit of Bill Hicks. Rather the opposite.
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Male 39,619

[quote]"Borders are drawn along cultural lines. Hence the reason they speak spanish in spain, english in england and german in germany." [/quote]
Based on that logic, California belongs to Spain, Montana belongs to England, Quebec belongs to France, and Brazil belongs to Portugal.

You see where I`m going with that?
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Male 2,345
America had no one formal system of government either when the white man showed up yet there were people in what is now America and it was by all rights their land and yet it was taken from them using the same logic that the Hebrews have used to take Israel away from the tribes that were living there.

they made no attempt to include the arabs in the govrnment, they offered them NO voice at all. this cannot be disputed, at all.

when you move into an area and take over, form a government, push tribal people out of their territory and then do not include them in the system of governance there is going to be conflict.

the Hebrews have to stop trying to make it look like they wondered back to a completely empty land, set up shop and then were attacked unprovoked by people they claim never existed in the first place from a country that never was.
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Male 10,440
That was painfully boring to watch.

If there was no judaism and islam, no one would bother living on or care about such worthless land.

... except for the oil of course, but there isn`t much of that there.
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Male 7,123
Well, I guess the Israeli government is unbiased on this issue. So it must be true.
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Male 2,345
there is no truth in this at all. ANY TIME you hear someone say "WAS THERE EVER A COUNTRY CALLED PALASTINE" you know that they are a Israeli biased apologist.

the fact is that there WERE plenty of tribes of arabs in that land, it was there land, they lived there.

they were there when the isrealis showed up.

let`s go back in time as this guy did but go back to how the isrealis got this land in the first place.

THEY SLAUGHTERED THE CANNINITES and took over the land.

Isreal was NOT their`s. they defeated a peaceful people that was not aggressing them and took the land.

SOOOOO the Hebrews illegally destroyed a country to take it for thmselves, they left in mass and went to europe, came back and displaced the people that were there at the time.

those are the facts. bottom line.
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Male 1,064
isreal has a great army, they could take all the middle east if they really wanted. i`m sure we`d back em up on it, too
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Male 7,378
No this isn`t biased.
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Male 508
Borders are drawn along cultural lines. Hence the reason they speak spanish in spain, english in england and german in germany. The west bank is arabic therefor it`s not a jewish settlement, and just because a few western jewish judges and lawyers sided with isreal at the turn of the century, doesn`t make their claim justified.
It`s an occupation...nothing more nothing less.
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Male 40,414
I also watched a video "de-bunking" this one. It was 15 minutes of fluff, so I`ll stick with this version of history, thanks!

I`ve been saying all along (here at IAB) that Gaza and West Bank are `disputed territories` which makes them subject to different laws than `occupied` areas, m-kay?

Palistinians HAVE a homeland: JORDAN! They`re the majority there, so why not re-name it?
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Male 40,414
Link: The Truth About The West Bank Conflict [Rate Link] - Just the facts about the Israel Palestinian Conflict. It goes a long way in de-bunking the myths.
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