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  1. Profile photo of kitteh9lives
    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    December 7, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    Link: Rick Perry Knows What Is Wrong With America - And he believes it all has to do with gays, prayer and Christmas.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    I heard his lakehouse is called "Homohead".
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    joeblowsglas Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 12:44 pm
    wow, he`s so in touch with what we all want
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    Ughhhh. I just threw up on my keyboard.
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    chadders42 Male 13-17
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    December 7, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    America is just drated, i`m sorry but it really is.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    He didn`t say anything was wrong with gays. He said it`s sad that they get their rights, but Christians don`t.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    I`m beginning to hate that guy.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    He said it`s sad that they get their rights, but Christians don`t.

    Apples and oranges. Gays can serve openly in the military, but they don`t force everyone to celebrate their homosexuality. If you weren`t allowed to identify yourself as a Christian, then you`d have something to poo about.
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    max5121 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:01 pm
    LOL I would vote obama over him. good thing Ron Paul is going to win the Republican nomination. I wish...
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:14 pm
    Please tell me this is a parody T__T
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:14 pm
    chadders42, you may be right. Good thing we have Europe to look to for inspiration and guidance. Everything must be so perfect over there. I bet it`s like living a dream... what with everyone being so smart and perfect.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:22 pm



  13. Profile photo of Sathon
    Sathon Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    He makes no reference to taking away rights of homosexuals, he only uses it as an example of a group of people that the current administration is allowing free reign and access to whatever "rights" they want, whereas Christians are being forced to say "Happy Holidays" wherever they go.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    V Unfunny troll is unfunny.
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    heavypred Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    False bokeh gives him 0 credibility
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    tleking536 Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    Exactly why I am not voting for him.
  17. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    @Sathon

    He used "gays" (which btw, should be "gay people") serving in the military as a negative example, linking it to there being something wrong with our country. He doesn`t need to say outright that he wants to take away rights for that to be a bad comment.

    continued...
  18. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    As for "Christians" not being able to celebrate Christmas or pray in schools. He`s wrong. Anyone who celebrates Christmas (hint: it`s not just Christians) can say Merry Christmas if they want and can celebrate it openly if they want. Some companies might restrict their employees but those are private corporations and I know this guy and every other Republican (and most Democrats) are all about protecting corporations so that shouldn`t be a problem to him. Praying in schools is perfectly fine too, just as long as you`re not disrupting others or asking for a special time set out for you to pray. I haven`t been out of high school for very long and we still had a "moment of silence" every morning which was a fine time for anyone who wanted to pray. Everyone I knew, even the devout Christians, thought that time was a waste of time and just wanted to be allowed to sit down though.
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    FeeFee Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:36 pm
    What a tool.
  20. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    The Daily Show takes on the "War on Xmas."

    Or as they put it, "As long as conservatives take "Happy Holidays" as a subtextual "Fk you and your baby Jesus," there can be no peace."
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    He`s the perfect poster child for everything wrong with religious nutjobs.
  22. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    "Obama`s War On Religion"

    The standard prayer was removed from public schools in 1962....how exactly are they blaming that on Obama?

    I`m not an Obama fan, but come on, at least keep it in the realm of reality!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    "If you weren`t allowed to identify yourself as a Christian, then you`d have something to poo about."

    School Districh bans the use of the phrase "Merry Christmas".
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    hahaha... oh wait that wasn`t a joke? damn...
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:57 pm
    Aj, schools do this sort of thing every year, not out of a hostility toward xians, but as a ridiculous ham fisted attempt to avoid getting sued by some paranoid parent invoking the Establishment Clause.

    Honestly, the whining xians do about persecution ALL THE TIME. Yes, you`re so persecuted, even though you are the majority religion numbers wise and almost every public figure is xian.

    No, you know what? Goddess willing someday we will elect one of you to become our president. One day...
  26. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:57 pm
    Penn Jillete explains why politicians are CHRISTIAN
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    Cajun, don`t get your little tightie whities in a knot over my time saving device, geesh. And furthermore, I have no interest in seeing your inbred texan explanation for blah blah blah.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 2:00 pm
    @QueenZira

    Uh WTF are you replying about?
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 2:04 pm

  30. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    Christians have a right to pray in school! No one has taken that away. No one! That`s just a drating lie. And it`s an evil lie that`s trying to stoke fear. No one is taking away an INDIVIDUAL`s right to worship as he/she sees fit. What drating poo this drater is spewing. :-(
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    Does he seriously not realize that he threw away any chance he had to win the election. You don`t hate on gay people and preach religion if you want to get somewhere in politics these days.
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    crash665 Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 2:31 pm
    You can still pray in school, dumb ass! You just can`t force others to do the same! What`s wrong with gays in the military? Is it not honorable when they die for their country, a country that hates them?
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    Faith is destroying America.

    Nay, faith is destroying the world.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 2:56 pm
    Children aren`t allowed to pray in school or celebrate Christmas!? I`m pretty sure kids are allowed to do both, it just isn`t sanctioned as a school event. And while he didn`t say it, I`m certain that he did imply that Christians don`t get equal rights compared to gays. (per auburnjunky) When I see gays marrying each other and Christians NOT allowed to marry each other, we`ll chat.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    Justin9235 said: "Does he seriously not realize that he threw away any chance he had to win the election. You don`t hate on gay people and preach religion if you want to get somewhere in politics these days."

    You`d be surprised how many hateful people there are that think they can call themselves "Americans".
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    So, if my kids clasp their hands and squeeze their eyeys real tight, the president is going to ban that? LMFAO @ Conservatives!!!!!
  37. Profile photo of Loxen
    Loxen Female 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 3:53 pm
    Atheists love Christmas, why would we want it banned in schools? We probably know more about this secular holiday(and its various ancient names) than Christians do because we read history. A lot of Christians are actually shocked when anyone points out Jesus wasn`t born on December 25`th and that date was chosen to overshadow existing pagan practices.

    Christians were the ones that hated the paganism involved with Christmas so much that they banned the holiday 1647 - 1660. >_>
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    SteveHolt Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    guess who is not getting my vote
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 5:12 pm
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    December 7, 2011 at 5:28 pm
    Gays in the military and religion in school have literally nothing to do with each other. Why should time be taken away from education to give to time for prayer when we are lagging behind most other 1st world countries` education systems? (By the way, if you let Christians pray in school, you also have to let the Satanists pray in school.) America was not made strong by religion, in fact, it is weakened by it constantly. The constitution separated church and state for a reason.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 6:06 pm
    This is one of those posts where I wish IAB didn`t have a swear filter. What a great opportunity to show this stupid man the glory of no God. Alas my prayers of Rick Perry contracting dick cancer fall on deaf ears.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 6:14 pm
    madest, you win with that one! See, even with the swear filters on, you kicked major ass! :-)
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 6:37 pm
    *glances at comments*

    Only two pages in and insults are being used as arguments? I think I`ll sit this one out...just reading people`s posts makes me haz the dums.
  44. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    Maybe I`m wrong since M_Archer has chosen not to participate in this discussion, but I`m guessing M_Archer agrees with Rick Perry`s inane arguments.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm
    rick perry knows whats wrong with america: himself
  46. Profile photo of Oster
    Oster Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    1. Gays have always served in the military.
    2. Children are not prevented from praying or celebrating Christmas in school.

    Is blatant lying like this a Christian ethic?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 7, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Could it be? Is Rick Perry a new George W. Bush only with less brains?

    President Perry is gonna be sooooooo much fun!
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    DSDavis008 Male 13-17
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    December 7, 2011 at 8:55 pm
    Just lost my vote.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    December 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    Rick Perry is a proud member of the American Taliban.
  50. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm
    Oster:

    The U. S. Supreme Court issued two bans on prayer in public schools. The first ban came in 1962 and the second was issued in 1963. The bans were the result of a court case sponsored in part by Madalyn Murray O`Hair. She was but one of the litigants in the lawsuit, but her name became synonymous with the case and the promotion of atheism. The ban not only outlawed prayer in public schools but it also banned Bible reading in public schools.

    Ironically, Her son William J. Murray is a strong Christian who fights for the rights of Christians around the world.

    So, It`s not a lie that prayer is banned in public schools, as well as bibles.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    December 7, 2011 at 11:07 pm
    I am rick perry and I will say whatever cliche right wing BS you will buy to get your vote!
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 12:35 am
    This man is my hero. Christians have been discriminated against for CENTURIES! its just like back in the crusades when the christian knights killed those evil pagans just because they felt they should have a right to believe in what they choose. WRONG! YOU WILL PRAY TO CHRIST AND THANK US FOR THE PRIVILEGE! and i also agree with rick about those FAGS in the military. how DARE you suck a dick you filthy faggot! you make baby jesus CRY! i think anyone who has a different opinion on ANYTHING then me should be boiled alive and screamed at while doing so! BURN IN HELL FILTHY SINNERS CHRIST IS COMING BACK TO DESTROY YOU ALL!!! god bless :)
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 12:58 am
    I hate you Perry. Get the f*ck out of Texas.
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    ccalhoun86 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 1:29 am
    Open prayer and the bible should be banned from public schools. There was this thing the founding fathers of America strongly believed in called the separation of church and state. See... public school is part of the state, and prayers and bibles are part of the church. Can`t think of a simpler way to put it. Also, Davy, love the graph.
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    pigsnout5 Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 3:17 am
    Faith didn`t do CRAP for this country! Ugh what a jerk! I`m so upset by this ad that I can`t even get my thoughts out onto this website right now! Fudge!
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    December 8, 2011 at 4:30 am
    Really? I mean... really? Every candidate from the Republican party has turned out to be a complete buffon. The only reason Mitt Romney is not in this bunch is he`s kept his mouth shut so far.

    One clown down, several more to go...
  57. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:19 am
    "There was this thing the founding fathers of America strongly believed in called the separation of church and state."

    Thomas Jefferson believed strongly in religious freedom and the separation of church and state. While President, Jefferson was accused of being a non-believer and an atheist. Jefferson attended church services in the Capitol and on several occasions expressed his beliefs including this letter explaining his constitutional view. "I consider the government of the US. as interdicted by the constitution from intermedling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. this results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the US."

    The whole point, was to keep our government out of the church.
  58. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:24 am
    Nowhere in the Constitution, is the phrase "Separation of Church and State."
  59. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:36 am
    @CrakrJak

    Those are bans on >state-sponsored< prayers in School. Students are still allowed to pray openly and may do so on their own accord. Teachers can organize bible study but CANNOT mandate that students attend. It is NO Christian`s right to mandate that other`s pray with them.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:45 am
    Really Cajun?
  61. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:47 am
    I mean, really?
  62. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:56 am
    @AJ

    I acknowledge some schools have taken the bans to ridiculous heights but CrakrJak was about details regarding the ban.
    So yeah seriously
  63. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:58 am
    AJ:

    School Districh bans the use of the phrase "Merry Christmas".

    That`s only for school sponsored verbal and written comments, not for the students. Swing and a miss.

    Your last two links show students DISRUPTING school/classrooms. 1st link: student disrupting class, kind of like how OWS people were disrupting traffic, so stop being a hypocrite, another swing and another miss. 2nd link: the students were told they could pray in a closed room, not an outlandish request. They disobeyed, so they were punished so again, stop being a hypocrite. That`s three strikes, you`re out.
  64. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 7:21 am
    but CrakrJak was about details


    CrakrJak was wrong about the details
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 7:33 am
    Wait, when did Obama make it illegal for kids to pray in school or celebrate Christmas? Oh that`s right... he didn`t. drat you, Rick Perry.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 8, 2011 at 8:16 am

    YEAH! That`s Right!
    And end Obamas War On midgets, too. You notice Obama didn`t appoint a single short person! And Obama`s trying to take down the Senate with a combination of biological weapons... Head Lice and Athletes Foot Fungas.

    That`s Right! We on to you Barry Oh`Bama you irish son of a bitch! {cant` trust the irish ya know}
  67. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    December 8, 2011 at 8:44 am
    Crakr, sectarian prayer is banned in schools. Therefore someone saying, "In Protestant Jesus` name" is a no no, however if kids really want a moment of silence (who would?) they can totally do it.

    Likewise, devotional Bible reading in schools is prohibited. However if schools wanted to crack open a Bible for any other purpose, say a History of World Religions Class or to point out how the Bible influenced western art, that would be totally OK. Seriously there are like a plethora of SCOTUS cases from every era supporting this.

    The only thing a school can`t do is teach you how to get into Heaven, or Nirvana or Moksha or whatever. That is not the priority of the state or state sponsored schools.
  68. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 8:56 am
    Wow you move the post and erased the original comments. Bias much?

    This video starts out with him referencing religion. For that reason alone I will NOT be voting for him. Until we tax the churches, God has no place in our government.

    Come to think of it, each president that has referenced Jesus, has also taken us to war. So guess whats gonna happen when you vote this dude in...

    Yup "FOR GOD!!!"

    But no mixed people fighting for god, or attending our churches. Oh and no mixed couples, its bothers the NORM. Oh hell, you cant fight for god unless you are white. Yeah, thats it.

    You want to save the American economy, tax the religious. That money doesnt go to god. It goes to the nice cars, the new townhomes and timeshares, maybe the giant golden cross at the top. But you keep on passing the collection plate so the priest doesnt have to rely on his personality tonight.
  69. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 8:59 am
    "Oster:

    The U. S. Supreme Court issued two bans on prayer in public schools. The first ban came in 1962 and the second was issued in 1963. The bans were the result of a court case sponsored in part by Madalyn Murray O`Hair. She was but one of the litigants in the lawsuit, but her name became synonymous with the case and the promotion of atheism. The ban not only outlawed prayer in public schools but it also banned Bible reading in public schools.

    Ironically, Her son William J. Murray is a strong Christian who fights for the rights of Christians around the world.

    So, It`s not a lie that prayer is banned in public schools, as well as bibles. "

    As well they should be. Do you teach evolution in church? No? Then STFU. If you want prayer in school, then you teach evolution and tolerance in churches.

    Now what!
  70. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:03 am
    Hey AJ, maybe you should actually look at your links instead of thumbing through google and skimming the headlines. Everyone one of your posts actually argued AGAINST your point. You made 3 posts, and you failed 3 times.

    "Is blatant lying like this a Christian ethic?"

    Well, yeah. I mean, isnt that the point of religion, who can lie to each other with more grace?
  71. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:04 am
    Aj, "The whole point was to keep our government out of the church." Conversely, it was also to keep churches out of our Government.

    "Nowhere in the Constitution is the phrase, Separation of church and state." No, you`re right. But the Establishment Clause encapsulates this idea perfectly: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

    Or In layman`s terms, there is no state religion established for Americans, you can believe what you wish, the state is not going to determine that.
  72. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:07 am
    auburnjunky, you`re wrong. Period.

    Or, said another way, by Jefferson himself, "And let us reflect that, having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions.... error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.... I deem the essential principles of our government.... Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; ... freedom of religion, freedom of the press, and freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus, and trial by juries impartially selected.
  73. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:07 am
    "No, you know what? Goddess willing someday we will elect one of you to become our president. One day... "

    You just stole my heart. Not many willing to say "Goddess" on this site. Hats off and thank you.
  74. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:10 am
    Oh, Thanks Steelgrid that`s so nice of you! :-)
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:24 am
    "Oh, Thanks Steelgrid that`s so nice of you! "

    So how long before people call us atheists.....Again.
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    Hedkwab Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:32 am
    "Goddess"

    Because the only thing more ridiculous than proposing the existence of a god, is assigning said deity a gender.
  77. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:35 am
    QueenZira, neither sectarian or any other type of prayer is banned in school. Provided the prayer is personal, kids can prayer to whomever, whatever they`d like. What is banned is compulsory prayer, as led by a teacher or administrator, or personal prayer that is so loud as to disturb others who, by law, cannot leave. Let`s not ever say prayer in school is banned. It most certainly is not.
  78. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:37 am
    Because the only thing more ridiculous than proposing the existence of a god, is assigning said deity a gender.

    This.
  79. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:44 am
    "Because the only thing more ridiculous than proposing the existence of a god, is assigning said deity a gender."

    Good thing I dont only believe in one god. Good thing i believe there are gods of all forms and sexes....and not just 2 sexes because that does not exist. Anyone that believes that earth is occupied by only men and women are the most blind of us all.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2011 at 9:46 am
    "Provided the prayer is personal, kids can prayer to whomever, whatever they`d like."

    Assuming I believed Satan to be a viable diety, lets see anyone let a child worship Satan. If that is what the family believes, and a simple prayer is all the kid does, then what is wrong with that? Yet I bet you wont find anywhere that will let that happen. Hell I bet I get one of you hypocrits to come on here and try to explain why someone cant pray to Satan.
  81. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 11:37 am
    Smagboy, sectarian (proselytizing, indoctrinating unto one sect) led by a teacher is most certainly banned. And you`re right that compulsory prayer is banned and personal prayer is not. Let`s not get too picky here though, hmmm? (not picking a fight, just pointing that out).

    Furthermore, it`s great to know all ya`ll`s opinions about my personal religious convictions, and I`ll worry about them after religious freedom in this country is finally consumed by raging zealots who declare death to all who are not religiously identical to themselves.

    Have a nice day! :-x
  82. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 11:41 am
    :-X (Huh, I wondered why that didn`t work the first time).
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    Cajun: ...Students are still allowed to pray openly and may do so on their own accord.

    Until a teacher tells them they can`t and sends them to the principal for discipline, then they get suspended until a TV crew shows up to ask why.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 2:22 pm
    QueenZira: It shouldn`t make a damn difference who a kid prays to, it`s prayer, it`s their God given right to pray and it`s in our constitution that the government can`t censor speech and that includes prayer.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 2:26 pm
    Conversely, it was also to keep churches out of our Government.

    We have freedom of religion in America, NOT freedom from religion. You, and many others, are taking the establishment clause to mean something that was never intended.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 2:36 pm
    Until a teacher tells them they can`t and sends them to the principal for discipline

    So anyone can pray while class is in session?
    <draws pinky to lips>
    RRRrrriiiigggghhhht

    We have freedom of religion in America, NOT freedom from religion.

    Freedom `of` includes freedom `from`.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 2:58 pm
    Freedom `of` includes freedom `from`.

    No it does not, otherwise the missionaries that knock on your door on Saturday mornings would be put in jail for breaking the law.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    And "freedom of" means slamming the door in their face is also legal.

    It comes down to Rick Perry trying to get out of the gutter by playing the religion card. His failure at it will ultimately weaken this card in the future.
    And with Newt Gingrich leading republican polls proves republicans don`t care about virtue or morals anymore.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    And with Newt Gingrich leading republican polls proves republicans don`t care about virtue or morals anymore.

    You democrats don`t have any leg to stand on when it comes to `virtue or morals`, so don`t even go there.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 3:57 pm
    And herein lies a key difference between the parties Crakr, Reps have intentionally gone out of their way to become the Biblely Judeoxian "family values" God`s Own Party crowd (for rightwinger`s only, Liberal xians need not apply). And they do it to so well that their love of "small government" even extends to the Bedroom (government small enough to fit in your Bedroom).

    Dems have not become the party of conservative religion, instead questions Dems usually ask about religion and public life revolve around how best to protect religious minorities, and how best to respect religious diversity.

    Now aside from all the sexual misconduct we know both types do on a regular basis, instead consider that when you`re a Rep. who`s made their career by asserting that your morals + values are so vastly superior to everyone else`s, when you fk up you fk up grandly, like fireworks on the 4th of July.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 4:29 pm
    No it does not, otherwise the missionaries that knock on your door on Saturday mornings would be put in jail for breaking the law.

    That is not what I meant, no one should be forced to acknowledge God whenever they carry legal tender, or testify in court.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 4:30 pm
    Right on the nail there QueenZira.

    They`re so conservative they`re actually populist.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    Hell you know another phrase doesn`t appear in the constitution? "So help me God"
    Yet every President since FDR has used it when taking the Oath of Office, and there`s always some sector of society that`s going to be upset if it isn`t spoken.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    "You democrats don`t have any leg to stand on when it comes to `virtue or morals`, so don`t even go there."
    But the Democratic party doesn`t claim to be the Family Values Party...Republicans do. That`s why it`s funny when Republitards get caught.

    I`m a repubican and I approve this post.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 8, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    Cajun, that`s not what I mean when I say "Government small enough to fit in your Bedroom."
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2011 at 10:49 pm
    Zira & Cajun: That`s just it, democrats seem perfectly fine voting for the immoral and non-virtuous, as long as they`re liberal.

    Charley Rangel, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Anthony Weiner, Eric Massa, Patrick Kennedy, Alcee Hastings, Gregory Meeks, John Murtha, Jesse Jackson Jr., Rod Blagojevich, Bill Clinton, John Edwards and the list goes on and on, all are democrats, all were unethical and most got re-elected anyway.

    Why ? One can only be left to assume that morality and ethics are not important factors to being a good democrat.

    It`s really sad that their constituents don`t/didn`t care in most cases.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 4:29 am
    @CrakrJak

    "That`s just it, democrats seem perfectly fine voting for the immoral and non-virtuous, as long as they`re liberal."

    Splice in the words "Republicans" and "conservative" and this is just as applicable.

    Shady politicians and people willing to vote for them feature in the entire political spectrum, not just in the camp of your enemy.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2011 at 4:41 am
    Musuko: It`s much more prevalent in the democrat party, the biggest difference is republicans won`t re-elect them like democrats often do.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2011 at 5:16 am
    Who cares, the American people are going to be butfuccked either way, with vaseline from the democrats and with sand from the republicans.
    And I know one that looks forward for it, n`est ce pas Crakrjakass?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 6:55 am
    @CrakrJak

    Regardless of how our politicians "monitor" themselves. I do believe Me and QueenZira have a point which is that "morals" and "virtues" have been used to instate statist policies designed to curtail consensual activities. Ultimately such policies generally don`t work and only helps degrade morality and personal responsibility.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 7:00 am
    @QueenZira

    Perhaps I don`t fully understand your point.
    Nevertheless I`m for a small government that actually stays out of your way as opposed to being small enough to "fit in your bedroom".
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 7:02 am
    Lastly as QueenZira AND Gerry1of1 point out this behavoir of using "moral values" to promote statist policies is most prevalent within the Gay Old Party.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2011 at 7:59 am
    statist policies designed to curtail consensual activities.

    You mention `Statism` as if it`s always a bad thing, but you neglect to mention that the most active `statist` we`ve had as president is Barrack Obama, promoting his far left liberalism.

    "Moral Values" have made this country great and kept it from sliding into the degradation that other countries are plagued with.

    And by the way, GOP stands for Grand Old Party. I`m sure you knew that, but your attempt at humor there was rather droll.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 9:07 am
    You mention `Statism` as if it`s always a bad thing


    No 5h17 dude, it IS a bad thing. But let`s not forget, the War on Drugs was started by Nixon (Republican), and it was Bush Jr. (Republican) who came up with the PATRIOT Act and DHS.

    As for your "Moral Values" I can easily point to governments that would allow things we typically wouldn`t. Even if I had to go as far back as Ancient Rome my point would STILL be valid.

    Finally I wouldn`t be calling it the Gay Old Party if they weren`t so keen on curtailing consensual behavoir. I don`t like the Dummocrats for promoting fiscal liberalism, but even Republicans have a decent share of fiscal liberals (Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, and Mitt Romney, Bush Jr. just to name a few). At least the Dems have moved away from their old white supremacy platform.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 9:15 am
    Aww yes those dirty filthy Romans with their laxed stance on sexual deparvity, narcotics, and alcohol. Then there`s those great contributions to the worlds of math and science, conquest of Europe and their 600 year long existence.

    I don`t think the good `ol USA will even reach its tricentenial unless its citizens get their heads on straight.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    December 9, 2011 at 9:16 am
    Cajun when you say populist I think of mainly populist economics, like what the Occupiers want. I think this is a word that folks on different ends of the political spectrum use differently and has different meanings for the two of us. Also, I would never use the term "Statist."

    Crakr, did I not already preemptively mention congresscritters sleeping with one another? And as for Immoral people being reelected, you need to look at your own party, who still has Sen. David Vitter, he of the DC. Madam scandal (remember the pics of him in the fetish diapers)?
    But of course, all a Rep. official has to do is do a tearful apology to his base, say he repents and has found Jesus and all is forgiven.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 9:19 am
    Just because others don`t function on the same rigid "God the Father" value system you do, doesn`t mean they`re bereft of ethics.

    And really, despite the party pablum given to Reps the things that made America great were it`s respect for Reason and Human Rights, not because people went to church every Sunday.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 9:23 am
    Also Cajun, those people you mention as being "Liberals," I don`t remember seeing them at our last club meeting...Ah but then I digress....
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2011 at 10:15 am
    @QueenZira

    Fair enough ;-)
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    Bountykat Female 18-29
    399 posts
    December 11, 2011 at 3:29 pm
    AHHHHHH OMG IF HE GETS ELECTED I`M MOVING TO CANADA, FAKING A CANADIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE, AND JOINING THE CAST OF DEGRASSI: THE NEXT GENERATION SEASON 12
    whichiwouldtotallydoanyway
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    rikakitty Female 18-29
    683 posts
    December 16, 2011 at 9:06 pm
    People like him are the reason America was founded in the first place. Insert string of nasty words here, please. It absolutely disgusts me that the political candidates of today purposely manipulate our own country`s foundation. And I mean ALL politicians, not just Republicans. They`re all nasty.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    January 30, 2012 at 5:14 am
    Rick who?

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