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Date: 12/31/11 01:52 PM

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    junkaroo Male 30-39
    234 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    Link: Obama Is Shredding Your Rights - This isn`t about republican or democrat. The president is building a dictatorship, pay attention.
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    Tacos4Brkfst Male 18-29
    620 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    Everyone`s focused on the wrong guy.

    "It is the sense of Congress that providers of electronic communications services and manufacturers of electronic communications service equipment shall ensure that communications systems permit the government to obtain the plain text contents of voice, data, and other communications when appropriately authorized by law."


    You may take my `freedom`, but you may not have my encryption keys.
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    revelcal Female 70 & Over
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    My favorite part of that video

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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, FDR threatened to pack the Supreme Court and then institutionalized a form of socialism, and Truman flipped unions the bird.

    The Constitution is a piece of paper. It can be read to mean almost anything (and if you don`t believe me, see opinions Dred Scott v sanford, Bowers v Hardwick, Wickard v Filburn, ANYTHING Justice Scalia has dissented in...)

    Shredding your rights? Pffft. What rights?
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
    1933 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    All conjecture. Show me the proof that Obama is supporting the indefinite detention of citizens. If it`s true, fine. I`ll be the first to raise the pitch fork.

    But this is all conjecture, no proof or sources.
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    jteachey1 Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:27 pm
    Well he signed it, so there`s your proof
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:28 pm
    The combination of this law plus SOPA, would mean that the government could quite literally make you disappear AND erase your entire presence off the internet as well. The "Nikolai Yehzov treatment", basically, like you never existed.
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:30 pm
    @kangoala: If you seriously think that Lincoln`s suspension of habeus corpus violated rights or the constitution, then you really don`t know anything about the United States Constitution or the Civil War.
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    j_dizzek_27 Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    @ggolbez Agreed. I don`t see Obama supporting this but if he is he needs to be stopped.

    On a different note, how did this even get through the Senate in the first place? It`s disgusting and to my knowledge explicitly illegal, no matter what the Constitution says.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Took `em long enough to see it.
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    Nashman19 Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    Who did the subtitles?....Holy poo.
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    ThunderDiety Male 30-39
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    December 31, 2011 at 2:52 pm
    Utterly ridiculous. These very angry men are so lost that the opposite position on every issue that the President Obama takes is the one vehemently undertake. It’s crazy and scary to think that there are so many of loose cannons running around never mind running and ruining congress, or running for the highest office. Hey angry guys Go back to the 1940’s why don’t you.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    Freedom is Slavery
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    EmagehtmaI Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 3:23 pm
    A couple things I would like to point out:

    1. This man seems to be a Democrat. He seemed very critical of the Republican party, and also - if I`m not mistaken - referred to the Democrats as "we/us". So don`t dismiss him as a Limbaugh-wannabe.

    2. The Senator who claims Obama specifically requested to leave in the part about being this applying to American citizens within our borders? He was a Democrat.

    So we can safely rule out that these are right-wing people who take any opportunity to criticize Obama.

    With that being said, I am absolutely appalled that this bill is being considered to pass. A bill that makes it legal for the military to decide who is an enemy combatant, and detain said person indefinitely without a trial... it`s disturbing. Oh, and don`t forget: who is the Commander in Chief of the military? The President. So essentially, if this bill passes, the President will be able to decide who is an "enemy" and then have
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    EmagehtmaI Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    Sorry, got cut off. Anyway, the President would be able to decide who is an "enemy combatant" and then detain them, without trial, INDEFINITELY, for as long as he wanted to. That is illegal and sickening. Sounds like something you hear about happening in North Korea or Cuba or Saddam-era Iraq.

    No President should have that power. No matter the party affiliation. For all our sakes, I hope that Senator is full of it.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    December 31, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    "Freedom is slavery"

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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    Brassbull, that`s my expression when I learn that you`ve never heard of Nineteen Eighty-Four.
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    December 31, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    I will admit to being only moderately aware of the detention clauses in this bill. Having said that, I do not believe that is what section 1032 actually says. Instead, what it allows the president`s adminstration the power to do is to TRANSFER suspected terrorists FROM military custody TO civilian custody. However, Obama himself has admitted that this essentially codifies the power to the executive branch that would allow indefinite detention through military custody.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    @EmagehtmaI

    Yes, TYT (and Cenk) are liberals. This clip is from Current TV, a specifically liberal channel that also host other ex MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann, Current is currently run by Al Gore.

    So this is definitely not "right wing smear" directed at Obama. However, liberals/progressives aren`t necessarily Democrats, and have never gone easy on the President.

    Having said that, there have since been statements from the whitehouse about the bill confirming the reasoning behind earlier lack of support, and current support for the bill.

    Senators that voted here.

    That was on final wording. The bill passed with a further 7 votes.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    December 31, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    M_Archer - Not everyone that hears about a book is automatically familiar with it`s tag line.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 31, 2011 at 5:16 pm
    1:32 President All Bomb Up. Close caption ftw!
    WE TOLD YOU SO! We righties said: he`s a power-mad socialist, he`ll do bad things!
    Here we are, right as ever, sadly. Are all you lefties who supported BHO happy now? No internet freedom, no personal freedom, happy now?

    iirc: TYT viciously attacked McCain & Palin, while ignoring ALL the serious questions about BHO. Rev Wright? Bill Ayers? School records? None of those things mattered to the left.

    4:49 He asks: Where are the activists? Where is the left? Where are the Democrats?
    You`re 3+ years late in those questions, cousin.

    I`ve been saying for years now: the left "actually does" evil that they accuse the right of "wanting to do".
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 31, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Obama signed it today, his last official act of 2011.

    But, I don`t think this is "Obama". Bush started it with the Patriot Act, Obama continued it with this. I don`t know who`s pulling the string behind the curtain, but someone is and both Dems and Reps are doing as told. We have no hope.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 7:01 pm
    Here`s The Daily Show on the matter with some fun quotes from the guys on the floor.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 31, 2011 at 7:09 pm
    5 Cats:
    1) This isn`t Barack`s Bill. This is an extension of a Bush concept, making law, what Bush falsely claimed he could do anyway.

    2) All the things you said, are still false. The socialist claim is false. Bill Ayers, and Rev Wright are still as meaningless as the birth certificate nonsense.

    3) This is not a Democrat bill. This is 43 Reps, and 49 Dems, with 7 abstaining (3 reps, 3 dems, 1 independent. If you want to claim credit for DADT because 8 reps and 40-somethings Dems voted for it. You claim it on a 43-49 split.

    4) McCain voted Yea. (See?! We told you he`d die before the end of the term!... oh wait do bad policies not make stupid assertions correct?)

    5) TYT Critical from early on. Not "3+ years" too late.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 31, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Obamanation.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 7:24 pm
    Rev Wright? Bill Ayers? School records?

    None of those had anything to do with being a power hungry executive. They were silly distractions. Bush was pushing for this sort of a thing and he had his school records presented.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    December 31, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    Everyone who comment on IAB, your name and account is being tracked and you all will be under arrest and will disappear from the surface of the earth.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
    1582 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    Wow.. I really just don`t care about politics at all. I mean this is obviously a pretty juicy subject and you all have plenty of neat things to say, but all I can think to myself is "this is so terribly boring, and I don`t care about any of it". Wish I did, but I`m seriously not interested. Back to D&D where the politics involve my sword through an evil prince`s face.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 11:23 pm
    @Baalthy: OH! I see, Barak signs it... but Bush is to blame! Oh so OBVIOUS!
    You`re a dratnot, not worth a drat eh?

    It`s NOT a Democrat bill: 49 Dems, 43 Reps.
    Oh, yes, obviously! If MORE Democrats support it, it MUST be a Republican bill!
    You`ve really lost it @Baalthy, I`m capturing this for future castigation!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 11:28 pm
    @Cajun: You see? It`s exactly what I said: The left accuses the right of wanting it, but THEY THEMSELVES push it through.
    You see what you said? "Bush wanted it" but WHO pushed it through? Barak Obama, that`s whom. And the MSm remains... silent!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    December 31, 2011 at 11:33 pm
    Baalthy:
    #1: Barak signed it, so it`s BUSH`S bill! Obviously!
    #2 Ignore the past, and also ignore the present! Bush = bad!
    #3: 49 Dems < 43 Repubs. It`s obvious!
    #4 McCain voted, then died. Oh how appropo!
    #5 drat your ass off. Use your MOD powers to see what I really typed...
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    January 1, 2012 at 5:13 am
    Move forward America or you`ll get left behind.

    That is all.
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    korahn Male 30-39
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    January 1, 2012 at 6:46 am
    So what I understood is that there was a bill that allowed foreign enemies to be detained, which was OK, but adding that US citizen enemies can also be detained now makes it unconstitutional? Seems like there is a double-standard here somewhere.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 1, 2012 at 6:47 am

    @ Baalthazaq - Or can I just call you Baal for short? No evil connotations intended.

    So, Baal, it`s time to admit it: Obama = Suck.
    You are right that he doesn`t suck as much as Bush, but that`s not exactly a high mark of achievement. Bush started shreading the constitution and Obama is finishing the job.

    Rep vs Dems... both are guildty. 43 and 49? BOTH are guilty.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
    3882 posts
    January 1, 2012 at 7:22 am
    `i don`t see the point in supporting president obama anymore.`

    well, DUH!

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    EgalM Male 30-39
    1707 posts
    January 1, 2012 at 7:28 am
    Here`s hoping he won`t get voted in a second term. The way I hear it, most presidents get re-elected unless they F-up big time. Though I haven`t seen anyone better running in the poles, so he most likely will make a second term. You have my sympathy America.
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    January 1, 2012 at 7:33 am
    @korahn: Of course there is a double-standard. The Constitution only applies within the borders of the US. That`s why it`s called the "US" Constitution.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    January 1, 2012 at 9:18 am
    @5Cats

    Then what was the point of mentioning those notions?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    January 1, 2012 at 9:21 am
    You have my sympathy America. -----------
    We don`t need your sympathy Canadian. We need your oil. So get to work.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    January 1, 2012 at 10:26 am
    Sadly, Cenk Uygur (pron. jank YOO-grr) speaks the truth. He usually does.

    For any fellow progressives/liberals out there, I highly recommend subscribing to his YouTube channel (The Young Turks).
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    January 1, 2012 at 10:39 am
    @madest: We`re trying! But your Prez Obama won`t let Keystone go through! He won`t drill for American oil, in violation of a court order btw, and he doesn`t want Canadian oil. Obama only likes nice, clean ARABIC oil! (/sarc)

    @Cajun, which notions?
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
    626 posts
    January 1, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    So this is off topic and possibly offensive, but I see that a lot of Canadians and a few Australians have commented and seem to know a lot about American history/politics. How? I know almost literally nothing about Canada or Australia. Is it common to know that much about America in other countries?
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
    939 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 4:20 am
    Wow, who saw this coming? Oh wait, all of us who voted against him did, that`s right. This can`t come as a great shock to you all.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    January 2, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    Errrrmmmm ... hate to say this but there has always been a right to detain enemy combatants indefinitely. The only change here is to allow the US military to act on US soil.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    January 2, 2012 at 9:08 pm
    @TheShng2: YES! As a matter of fact, we Canadians are VERY much aware of y`all down south, eh? Whatever you do, the Canuk gov`t will soon copy, it`s a fact! Especially if it`s bad/stupid.
    Also, there`s tons of coverage of everything American, since Canadian politics is very boring.

    @ramdomnxp: Except this now applies to American Citizens ON American soil. Goodbye US Constitution! Hello ObamaReich!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2012 at 7:11 am
    I know almost literally nothing about Canada or Australia.

    This seriously made me lol. A better question would be if you know anything about anywhere outside the US.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    January 3, 2012 at 7:13 am
    @5cats

    They do want Canadian oil, they`re probably the largest force pushing us to develop tar sands.
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    _Cenya_ Male 18-29
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    January 3, 2012 at 9:10 am
    I literally give no f*cks. Not a single f*ck; when a republican is in power people go ape poo, when a democrat is in power people go ape poo and then some. I`m 20 and have weathered so many of these one sided vids in my short life that as of today I`ve decided to no longer even bother playing them. The title itself just exudes "I TOLD YOU NOT TO VOTE FOR HIM!" Seriously, crap like this was around for Bush, and I can even remember this crap on Clinton! I GIVE NOT A SINGLE F*CK. It`s 2012, people my age are just trying to live to see the next Spring Break. Seriously if this was so important it would somehow make it`s way to me through the lil bits I grasp from my professors. The chances this is just one-sided bs is uber high. I HATE THE INTERNET TODAY.
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    UDUMASS Male 30-39
    60 posts
    January 3, 2012 at 11:58 am
    @Cenya:
    Burying your head in the sand is probably the worst thing you can do when your rights are slowly being taken away as they are right now. You still have a lot to learn about life kid.
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    InTheNameOf Male 30-39
    335 posts
    January 3, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    Vive la Revolution.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    January 12, 2012 at 11:51 pm
    Nice of you all to catch up. Strap in you have a lot to learn and a very short time to do it.

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