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108 Responses to Obama Gives Himself 17 Days Of Christmas Vacation

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    Link: Obama Gives Himself 17 Days Of Christmas Vacation - In Hawaii, of course. It`s good to be King.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:03 pm
    Let`s all try not to be jerks in this particular forum. I can already see it coming...
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    FoSchizle Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:09 pm
    That`s more of a break than I get from school -.-
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    rcos Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm
    Meh. I took more and so did many of the people I work with. I Dont see what the big deal is. This isnt odd in a corporate world, IMO.
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    Tubby12370 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Oh I just can`t waaaait to be Kiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!

    Gotta love captions that bring back memories.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    I could smell 5Cats miles away from this post.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:18 pm
    @FoSchizle - I get a 1 month break (exactly, last final on the 9th and I go back on the 9th). Be jealous :D
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    Tubby12370 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:23 pm
    On a more serious note, As soon as I saw this link as the new post, I groaned and knew there was going to be some kind of flame war or great argument, but everybody needs a break..as long as it doesn`t turn into what Bush did...Not to start an argument, but its a fact...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    A President on holiday is not the same as for other people.
    He still works, still in communication with the government, still has nuclear launch codes.

    He`s jut not in the oval office 16 hours.
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    lukeforv123 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    Thats it? I`m getting five weeks off :D
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    Let`s just all admit that the President never really gets a "vacation," like normal American`s do. When I`m on vacation, I`m not checking email, I`m not answering my cell for work--I`m not working. The President is working, every day, all day.

    The cost of the trip is ridiculous, but it`s not really a vacation at all for him.
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    stumpen Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 5:00 pm
    and now the european troll is saying that it is pretty normal to have at least 5 weeks off every year
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    dude21862004 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    I agree with the others. A President`s vacation is not like a normal vacation. He still has to work every day, he just get`s to do it on a beach instead of an office.

    And even if that weren`t the case, the guy is the President, and that`s gotta be hugely stressful job. He probably deserves a vacation.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 5:08 pm
    Of course we could compare the time off that Obama`s taken versus the previous several presidents and realize how much less he`s taken, but, that would be silly. And greatly undermine the potential snark. We could also compare those 17 days to the average American worker with a full time job with benefits and see that 17 days at Christmas isn`t all *that* outrageous. But, since fancy has requested we try not be jerks, I`m just going to leave it at that and not really get worked up. For now. ;-)
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    Buzzard250 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 5:14 pm
    Its not like anythings getting done anyway with all the squabbling in the gov.
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    For my opinion, please see Tubby12370`s link.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    I don`t care he`s just as bad as Bush proven by both of their records.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 5:50 pm
    Yepper, Cajun, Obama`s clearly not done anything right and has had terrible results. Especially considering how wonderful things were when he took office. Whatever.
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    earthshone Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 5:53 pm
    Like the President or not, homeboy`s got a stressful and challenging job.

    And any of you that say you wouldn`t do the same thing are liars (lol, presidential quality #1)
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    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    December 3, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    He takes all these vacations and plays golf all the time because he has other people doing his work for him. What a colossal joke. By are we going to kick this dumb bastard out! He might want to put a pillow in his pants to protect his dumb ass from our boot print.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 6:27 pm
    yea as much as i dislike the republican candidates do i really want to vote obama in another 4 years
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    Aeladil Female 18-29
    518 posts
    December 3, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    And how many days do you think every other politician takes? Or every CEO of a company takes? 17 days actually isn`t that long.

    I`m a working peon of a transcriptionist and I get 20 days off a year, and I`m on the bottom of the seniority totem pole. Girl that`s been here the longest gets like around 45 days off a year.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    Uhhh, he deserves it. Bush deserved the time he took too.
    Freakin` aye, that has to be the most stressful job on the planet. Most of the planet instantly recognizes your face and a lot of them would kill you if they had the chance. Let him have some vacation. poo.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 6:42 pm
    If I were president, you can bet your sweet ass I would too.
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    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 6:48 pm
    how long has congress been on break, since october?
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    Obama can suck my azz.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 7:23 pm
    Give him a break; the economy`s booming, the house is supportive, America is not at war and the election`s in the bag. It`s not like he`s bunking off in a crisis.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 3, 2011 at 7:37 pm
    The more time he spends on vacation, the better for the rest of us.
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2011 at 8:01 pm
    why not take 60 days like GW Bush did?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 8:08 pm
    <sarcasm>He`s going home for two weeks to visit his family at Christmas time?!? What an animal!
    </sarcasm>
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 8:19 pm
    why not just take the whole year off and give us a good president?
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 8:25 pm
    Come on now, seriously.. Bush spent 1020 days on vacation during his 8 years !.. that`s more than 1/4 of his presidency.. How much has obama had so far?.. 80-something?..
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 8:28 pm
    As has been established, Bus spent many of his "vacation days" meeting in secret with international leaders.
    Add the vacations and golding days together and Obama`s missed a lot of work, eh?

    Chart Fu:




    Sorry, but Mr Obama is indeed a SCOAMF. And the MSM has given him a free ride thus far.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 8:45 pm
    nice to know that while 90,000 families per month are being evicted from their homes, the economy is in shambles, and people are committing suicide left and right, he feels the need to pack it up and go on vacation in hawaii, at our expense.

    hope you like hawaii, barry, but hell`s gonna be hotter.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 9:04 pm
    Here he is again! Blaming Republicans for everything!
    Oh, and telling others to NOT go on vacation... lolz!

    Odd: he says the ending of tax cuts will be a "tax increase". Yet he spent a whole year saying the exact opposite! Oh the hypocricy!
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    Vendi Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 9:33 pm
    Hey five cats, I have a question for you. What happened in 2008? What brought about that 2008 thing that happened?

    Also, do you really think that one man is capable of causing that type of federal deficit? What underlying factors contributed to it. A debt and deficit of that magnitude don`t come about in 1 year, much less in 5 years by themself, much less by one man. What else could have contributed to that deficit?

    It would be nice if we had one whipping boy, but I am not sure it works that way anymore.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2011 at 9:38 pm
    funny how reputards forget so quickly...Bush took more vacations that any other president ever...he released more bank regulations that any president ever (hint this lead to the global crash) and spent more money than any pres ever...

    btw today unemployment dropped to 8.6% down from 10% when the crash happened as a result of mostly GOP policies...

    and in other good news Cain quit the race.

    go ahead and run Newt...will be a easier win than Mr. Mavrick ever was. GOP = party of the lost and rich.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:03 pm
    Also, do you really think that one man is capable of causing that type of federal deficit?
    Vendi: Nope! But it didn`t stop the MSM & Democrats from blaming Bush for everything for 8 years, did it?
    However the 2006 elections set the stage for the first bailout (which Bush signed) and Clinton`s policies caused the housing bubble (which MacCain tried to reform, but was called a racist by the Dems for his efforts).
    Obama, during his campaign, promised to not sign any bill with "earmarks" (pork-barrel spending) yet the first bill he signed had the highest in history!
    He promised any increase in spending would be matched by a cut in spending elsewhere: he promised to NOT raise the deficit.
    See the charts below for the result of that!
    He`s the front man, the guy who gets the credit if things go right, eh?
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:09 pm
    Are you kidding me?!? George W. Bush spent 1,020 days, of his 2,922 days in office, going on vacation! As for "secret" meetings during his vacations, all presidents do that, so that argument is worthless. This is just the same old nonsense we`ve heard before. Insults from one side of the aisle, when they`re even worse offenders.

    As far as the budget deficit goes, that`s a leftover from the decisions made during the Bush presidency. In case you forgot, the economy tanked due to the crap that banks were able to get away with under Bush, and then he got them a HUGE bailout just before leaving office. Not to mention getting the US into two different wars and cutting taxes so there was no way to afford all of that.

    Notice on your own chart that we had a SURPLUS under Clinton, until Bush took over. Claiming that de
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:12 pm
    (Char count miscounted, so here`s the bit that got cut off. Apologies for the double-post.)

    Claiming that deficit is Obama`s fault is pure ignorance.

    So you really don`t have much of an argument there.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:14 pm
    Prez Obama had 3 fundraisers in Ney York the other day: Here`s what he had to say
    (not a transcript, but highlights.)

    @HiEv: your own link says Obama spent time at Camp David that is NOT counted, but Bush`s time is. Apples to lemons, eh?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:18 pm
    Claiming that deficit is Obama`s fault is pure ignorance.
    Your arguement is irrifutable! I wither away before such feats of logic & reasoning!

    Welcome to IAB @HiEv!
    Don`t worry about double-posting, it`s normal.
    The char counter also counts stuff like spaces, links and empty lines, that don`t show up in the `count`. I get cut off at 885 sometimes! use then /quote (without the spaces) for italic quotes, no cussing! Have fun, eh?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    5Cats, pull my finger!

    (BTW, you need to read Fancy`s comment at the start of this thread.)
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:38 pm
    How dare he take a vacation!
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    jeffwright Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:41 pm
    I don`t live in your country but as an outsider looking in, I have to say that Barack Obama is the best thing to happen to your country in a long time. Work with him.
    (I`m not trying to sound like a douche. The goverment here in Canada is pretty hurtin` too.)
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 3, 2011 at 10:46 pm
    My 5Cats sense is tingling!

    *Checks submitter*

    Yep, sure enough.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 3, 2011 at 11:43 pm
    What I find really screwed up is he just pardoned two turkeys, then signed a bill that will allow horse meat to be inspected and sold here.

    Since many of you won`t believe me, I`m providing a Link

    Where is PETA ? Why aren`t they calling Obama a horse murderer and picketing him ?
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    xigris Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2011 at 12:04 am
    LOL... Damn, This site must of looked like spam when former President Bush took a vacation... I swear he was at the Crawford ranch than at the White House.
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    Zuthilios Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2011 at 2:54 am
    @CrakrJak Horse meat is tasty dude, don`t knock it till you`ve tried it. Don`t see what the difference would be between whats already been done to cows in much worse mass production ways.
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    cocacola311 Female 30-39
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    December 4, 2011 at 4:33 am
    Well must be nice...I just got back to work after 7 weeks cause the goverment wouldn`t release the material for us to make the military uniforms. Now I am scrambling to find Christmas money to buy stuff for my kids and trying not to lose my house too! But I sure hope he enjoys Hawaii! NOT!
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2011 at 4:39 am
    I`d try horse meat.
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2011 at 4:59 am
    @Crakr: In the article you`ve linked, it implies that PETA sees this as the better option, over the exportation of horses for slaughter to countries where humane slaughter practices aren`t being used. So, while they would rather that no one slaughter horses, this is their next-best option.

    If you (not just you, Crakr) are against the slaughter of any animal, that`s fine; but, to be against the slaughter of horses but be alright with the slaughter of, say, cows and pigs, seems a bit odd.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2011 at 6:28 am
    He was smart about it. Didn`t vacation in Canada.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 6:45 am
    @simbha I think the point @crakr (and me, on various topics) is making is that certain groups: Code Pink, PETA, the MSM, Amnesty International & etc willing jump ALL OVER one political party in the USA, but bend over backwards making EXCUSES for the other.

    You`re aware that "rendition" continues under Obama, right? They just keep the victems in a boat now, insted of sending them to forign nations. Where`s the outcry? The protests? The calls for the arrest of the current president?

    Thus PETA may be correct: it is MORE humane than shipping them out of the country, but it`s hard to imagine them being so... nice! to Bush.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 6:51 am
    "Didn`t vacation in Canada"

    The Obamas don`t "slum it", they`re 1st Class all the way! POSH or nothing!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2011 at 7:43 am
    If a squirrel farts in the forest, and no one smells it...?
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2011 at 7:44 am
    @5cats: I see. Well, I can`t argue with that point.

    However, I really don`t see what the issue with this is. Presidents of the US basically don`t get true vacations. Sure, to the lens of the camera, they may be on the beach or the golf course, but the weight of the world is on their shoulders 24/7/365.

    I do not want the country being run by someone who is not rested and at least somewhat distracted from these problems. People - even Presidents - are not machines. And, I also don`t want the President to be "slumming it" while on vacation. And, yes, that goes for every president or high official, regardless of political interest or affiliation.

    There can be excesses, but this doesn`t seem to me to be one.
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2011 at 7:55 am
    Sorry; I just cant force myself to give a s#!7 about the guy`s vacations.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2011 at 8:54 am
    5Cats, I try not to take you too seriously as you are leaning so far to the right that I`m surprised you`re still standing, but that deficit chart you posted is pure fiction. First of all, you do understand that federal budgets are singed a year out, right? So that the deficit tripling you cite has as much or more to do with Bush (cut taxes, increase spending) than with Obama. Why don`t you find a chart that shows how many NEW obligations President Obama has signed off on versus ones Bush had already signed off on. I`m not giving Obama a free pass. Not by a long shot, but, accuracy is important and the kind of chart you put up is pure folly.
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    Aints Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2011 at 9:09 am
    A leader does not go on vacation when HIS so called country is in the sh** hole. A leader LEADS, by being ON the the battle field in way, by practicing in arts and litterateur, by setting the EXAMPLE of hard work and grinding out problems. He is NOT a leader, only a president, and to me that holds no weight anymore.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 9:37 am
    @Smagboy: That thing to your right? It`s the Center actually...
    New Obama spending? Like re-signing the Bush tax-cuts? Can`t blame Bush if Obama continues it, try as you might.
    The second bailout?
    ObamaCare? You`re paying for it NOW, but benifits won`t come until 2014 (iirc)
    Took 10 Seconds On Bing to find an article saying he has 250 Billion in NEW spending since taking office.

    @simbha: I too think the PotUS is entitled to lots of vacation time, and yes he`s never really "on vacation" is he? It`s just that the MSM roasted Bush regularly, but give President O-golfa a free pass. THAT bugs me.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 9:38 am
    vv new spending PER YEAR (oops!) and that just the first year`s worth, he`s added plenty more since then.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2011 at 10:08 am
    OMG that`s horrible!!!! And he will be completely unreachable and disconnected! Whatever will we do?!?!
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2011 at 10:16 am
    PLEASE, let the man take as much vacation as he wants!

    More Obama Vacation = Less Idiotic Policies = More Jobs.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 10:24 am
    Don`t worry @HalfPintRoo! Joe "Teh Sheriff" Biden is in charge!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2011 at 10:40 am
    Seriously Bush started the biggest spending binge since World War 2 Obama made it bigger and longer, and we`re seriously framing this debate based on how much vacation they took?

    <Deep angry sigh>

    Say 5Cats both Baelzar and OldOllie make a good point, so how `bout less complaints eh?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 4, 2011 at 10:59 am
    Exactly my point, 5Cats. $250B. Not three times increase in the deficit! At all. And you`re right about him continuing the tax cuts (well, Congress did it, but he did sign it, agreed). Notice that I said in my post that I recognize he`s not perfect. And I also recognize that he`s got a lot of faults. Seems to me that you think that just by breathing he`s wrong, though. The guy hasn`t even been in office three full years and you act like he`s the worst president ever. Not even once acknowledging the unbelievable mess he inherited. Think about what I just said--he hasn`t even been in office three years--and look at what good he *has* done, considering what he started with. I know you probably can`t, but, maybe, if you force yourself to try, you`ll realize that he might have started with a slight handicap and hasn`t been in office for even three years. Again, I`m not saying he`s perfect, far from it. I`m just trying to give him a fair shake for at least one term.
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 11:24 am
    Hey Smagboy, what good has this idiot done? Unemployment is still high, government spending is through the roof, and he is trying to dismantle our health care system through socialization. And don`t hand me that "Bush started it" nonsense. It just makes you sound even less intelligent.
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    apttodo Female 18-29
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    December 4, 2011 at 11:36 am
    I just got made redundant so I`m getting all of Christmas off. Cheers!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    250B per year added was only the start, he added tons of spending every year and cut nothing.

    What good things has Obama done? Even the removal of troops from 2 wars was according to Bush`s timetable, although the MSM would never admit it!

    A President is judged by the economy, policies and legacy. Obama has utterly failed in all three. At least Bush had a rockin economy for 7 of his years! Policies? Meh.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    At least Bush had a rockin economy for 7 of his years!


    Still better under Clinton. I won`t forget how Bush socialized the Hell out of our economy.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 1:29 pm
    vv I won`t forget that either @Cajun! Bush made a LOT of mistakes, which is why I`m always surprised that people make poo up about him. Why make things up? His real mistakes are bad enough.

    Clinton`s legacy: *waves finger* "I did not have sex with that woman... Miss Lewinski." (note: he had to be clear which woman, there were 3 rape accusations and 1 mistress, plus assorted hookers)
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 4, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    Clinton lied about having sex. So what? Yes I know it`s perjury but to me that case would NOT have warranted jail time.
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    simbha Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2011 at 2:58 pm
    @5Cats: I completely agree that (most of) the MSM is biased against conservative politicians. I consider myself independent with leftward leanings, but I think this bias is uncalled for. In theory, the media is supposed to be an unbiased conduit of information from various facets of our society to the public as a whole, but news has become both a tool for abuses of power and a salable commodity.

    A flip side to this is that much of the religious leadership in this country is right-leaning. That`s not a counter-balance - they`re utterly different in their influence - but I think it just goes to show that there are powerful special interest groups that are in both camps.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 4, 2011 at 4:45 pm
    @wineckap: it says in your article Clinton took time out to fundraise & help Hillary! with her senate race. NOT counted as vacation time, eh?

    @Cajun: Pergury is a felony, a convicted felon cannot hold the office of PotUS, period. Who cares about jail time? He should have resigned when caught, but he`s a coward who`d rather lie bare-faced to the American public.
    He also lied (not under oath though) about Jennifer Flowers being his long-term mistress.
    Did he tell the truth about not sexually assaulting 3 women? Or not hiring prostitutes with State funds while Governer? Or WhiteWater? Hummm...
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    vegascartman Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2011 at 5:19 pm
    It`s going to be so nice to see him as a 1-term president. Don`t worry folks, the adults will be running the country again next year.
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    xtkm1x Male 13-17
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    December 4, 2011 at 7:47 pm
    Why is George Bush not in jail for treason, but Clinton gets impeached for busting semen?

    -rap artist
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 4, 2011 at 8:58 pm
    It`s going to be so nice to see him as a 1-term president. Don`t worry folks, the adults will be running the country again next year.
    I doubt very much that is going to happen with the motley crew of knuckle-draggers the conservatives have dragged up this time.

    Mitt Romney: A magic-underpant wearing mormon (spellcheck assured me there was supposed to be two "m`s" in there)

    Rick Perry: Can`t remember which government institutions he`s going to do away with.

    Herman Cain: Well, he`s already dropped out due to embarrassment of having an extra-marital affair. Sure, it was probably all gold-diggers. Except that he admitted helping her with her monthly bills and expenditures, and that his wife was not aware of that. Because that`s what you do when you`re NOT having an affair.

    Michelle Bachmann: The less said about her, the better. I think "moonbat" would be an appropriate term.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    December 4, 2011 at 8:58 pm
    Newt Gingrich: Isn`t he the one that divorced his wife on her cancer deathbed and married his aide, with whom he`d been having an affair? All the while spearheading the Republican campaign to have Clinton impeached for getting a blowjob while he was dicking his secretary? Preaching family values while being married 3 times etc etc?

    Sorry, I lose track after a while. Following American Conservative Republican politics is like a bad soap opera: if you miss a couple of episodes, it`s hard to catch back up. So much inane drama has gone on in the meantime.

    Vegascartman, get used to 4 more years of Obama. The main problem the Republicans have is that they assume the average American is stupid. I assure you, they`re not.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    December 4, 2011 at 11:24 pm
    @ 5Cats, keep trying. Soon one of your far-right political extreme partisan posts will crack the 2.0 approval rating among the population of the Bored.

    Of course, you`ll say that that`s exactly why you`re winning. Probably accompanied by something including the terms "MSM", "Libtards", "Sheeple", and of course, "LOLZ!!!"

    Wait, I`ve got a good idea. Throw in the odd "M-kay?" every time you make a right-wing political pundit partisan soundbite, so you sound like the retarded teacher from Southpark.

    Wait, what`s that? You already do?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2011 at 4:35 am
    He should have resigned when caught, but he`s a coward who`d rather lie bare-faced to the American public.

    It wasn`t Congress`s business to ask, it was their way of leveraging him into signing their legislation. He`s a choir boy compared to most other politicians who either lie or mislead us.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    December 5, 2011 at 5:12 am
    Now if you can prove those three sexual assault cases and that he did lie about them, then yes I agree he`s a scumbag who never should`ve been president. My point is there are WORSE things to lie about.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    December 5, 2011 at 5:24 am
    @Cajun: No, it was Ken Starr`s business, the Independant Council appointed by Janet Reno, Clinton`s AG. Starr was looking into a suspicious suicide and the Clintons` apparent influence peddeling in the WhiteWater land deal. It was NEVER about sex! (well, except as motive for the other crimes) Jeez you`re lacking even basic understanding of issues, man! And @davymid thinks I spout talking points? MOI?

    @davymid: Your South-Park Fu is weak: Insted of saying "drat" just say "m-kay".

    Yes the Repub candidates are weak, Newt is the best of a bad lot, eh? (you forgot Ron Paul & Rick Santorum, lolz!)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 5, 2011 at 5:30 am
    Clinton lied, under oath, about Lewinski, period. He admitted it in his `get out of jail free deal` after leaving office.
    He told the truth, under oath, about Flowers.

    The 3 women who testified in court that he sexually assaulted them? Unlike Cain`s accusers, these women brave enough to come into court & face cross examination. He settled with one for over $800K, the other 2 hadn`t pressed charges, but were witnesses for the third.

    Basic, simple stuff!
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 5, 2011 at 6:59 am
    Well at least he didn`t take as much time off as Bush or Reagan
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    December 5, 2011 at 10:46 am
    @patchgrabber: Based on the links pro-Obamians have given here, one thing is clear:
    Each and every day Reagan, Bush & GW Bush weren`t INSIDE the Whitehouse was counted as a vacation.
    Clinton & Obama can: go to Camp David, fundraise, golf & campaign, but it`s NOT counted as vacation time!
    Hardly seems fair, eh?

    Bush: 3 days at Camp David = vacation time
    Obama: 3 days at Camp David = working
    (again, according to the links provided here by pro-democrats)
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2011 at 11:41 am
    @5Cats

    Pardon me but Kathleen Willey gave false information about being sexually assaulted which she later a
    admitted to.

    Paula Jones was sexual HARASSMENT which != ASSAULT and would easily warrant $850000 settlement.

    If Ken Starr was so suspicious about a S&L company why did he stop looking into it?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 5, 2011 at 11:44 am
    @5cats:

    Perhaps, I don`t really keep track of presidential business vs. vacation days because generally I don`t care. I still don`t see how he`s worse for taking vacation days than the rest though.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    Juanita Broaddick: Files a SWORN AFFIDAVIT denying she ever met Clinton. Then she later recants her statement but says she didn`t want to testify in court.

    If there`s anyone you should be mad at it`s Kenneth Starr for abandoning the Whitewater case which was very serious case.
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    krw888 Male 50-59
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    December 5, 2011 at 1:28 pm
    Petty, petty petty...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 5, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    Nice try @Cajun, but if you expose your genitals and make sexual requests upon an unwilling person? That = assault.
    Yes WhiteWater was very serious, it is too bad it got side tracked.

    @patchgrabber: I didn`t say he was worse, I suggested this for two reasons:
    1) The Obamas stay in high priced digs on their vacation! It costs a poo-load of money to ship all those secret people and support staff to Hawaii (although they`re probably happy to go! I know I`d be!)
    Bush `vacationed` at his ranch.

    #2) Bush was regularly roasted by the MSM for his vacations.
    Obama is treated like a King by the MSM (hense my tag-line, eh?)

    Obama has every right to vacation, esp with his family. But the MSM should apply ONE measure for the PotUS, not a double standard.
  92. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    Nice try @Cajun, but if you expose your genitals and make sexual requests upon an unwilling person? That = assault.

    Bull5h17 with that logic you could lock up flashers on the same charge. When such indescretion is easily treated as indecent exposure. IF he touched or grabbed yes that`s sexual assault, but he didn`t.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2011 at 5:16 pm
    That doesn`t even come close to the definition in Texas:
    Penal Code, Sec. 22.011.(a) creates the offence of sexual assault. It reads:
    (a) A person commits an offense if the person: (1) intentionally or knowingly: (A) causes the penetration of the anus or sexual organ of another person by any means, without that person`s consent; (B) causes the penetration of the mouth of another person by the sexual organ of the actor, without that person`s consent; or (C) causes the sexual organ of another person, without that person`s consent, to contact or penetrate the mouth, anus, or sexual organ of another person, including the actor; or

    BUT since this occured in Arkansas I`ll refer you to THEIR STATUTE.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 5, 2011 at 5:25 pm
    I`ll even refer you to the federal statutes of the United States. I also just read Canada`s statute on the matter, IT doesn`t even fit.
    So ultimately your rebutal is:
    By Common Sense: Bull5h17
    By Arkansas Standards: Bull5h17
    By Federal Standards: Bull5h17
    By Canadian Standards: Connerie
    For all American cases I just listed they all require penetration which didn`t happen. Try attempt? Difficult to prove mens rea there.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    December 5, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    @Cajun: You Are Delusional
    Oh, I`m sorry, is that too Canadian for you? Try THIS Then!

    Penetration? Are you KIDDING ME? Is it suddenly 1971 again?

    In Arkansas, what Clinton did is Rape: scroll down a bit

    Unless your law degree is better than Clinton`s AND his team of lawyers, you are wrong, period, give it up.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 5, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    A person commits rape if he or she engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity with another person:


    (1) By forcible compulsion

    That means: HE DID IT WITHOUT HER CONCENT! "Deviate sexual" means whipping out your junk and saying "kiss it", you get it?

    Simple test: Go up to any woman who you`ve just met, whip it out and ask her to "suck it" or some variation thereof. E-mail us from prison. m-kay?
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    HiEv Male 40-49
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    December 5, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    5Cats: [quote">Bush: 3 days at Camp David = vacation time
    Obama: 3 days at Camp David = working
    (again, according to the links provided here by pro-democrats)[/quote">
    Uh... You might want to work on your reading comprehension there. The site I linked to doesn`t actually say that.

    What is says is:
    A) In the first year of Obama`s presidency he spent all or part of 27 days at Camp David.
    B) By comparison, in the first year of George W. Bush`s presidency he spent all or part of 78 days at Camp David (nearly three times more).
    C) One person is quoted as basically saying that *all* US presidents are never really totally on vacation.

    Note that item C does NOT actually claim the hypocritical difference you somehow read into it.

    I though I`d mention this since you`ve erroneously made that argument
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    December 5, 2011 at 7:48 pm
    It`s true @HiEv, your link doesn`t count Camp David for any president`s vacations. My mistake!

    When Clinton was getting blowjobs in the Oral Office, does THAT count as `vacation time`? (j/k!)
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    December 6, 2011 at 6:15 am
    Hey 5Cats you missed a keyword in the Arkansas statute:

    "WITH" meaning the victim must also be engaged in said deviate sexual activity. Jones said no and left without any further interference from Willy.

    Go up to any woman who you`ve just met, whip it out and ask her to "suck it" or some variation thereof. E-mail us from prison. m-kay?

    You`d get an e-mail from my apartment the worst I`d get would be INDECENT EXPOSURE.

    Your first link: Well I guess people disagree on where to draw the line. Except that it cites the Texas Penal which is THE SAME TEXT I LISTED EARLIER.
    Your second link: ANSWERS.COM are you fu<king serious?

    Your third link: Ah an link to the FAQ page of a Sexual Assault victims group a totally unbiased source. <not>
    Of course mind you I don`t disagr
  100. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2011 at 6:20 am
    Penetration? Are you KIDDING ME? Is it suddenly 1971 again?

    Oh boo-hoo laws aren`t STRICT enough for you? Whilst I don`t agree with what he did YOU on the other hand seem to want to label ANY unsolicited sexual act as sexual assault, which would lead to punishments that didn`t even fit the crime.
    Quick personality test: How would you feel if a woman walked up to you flashed her chest at you and told you to lick `em, or how `bout her va-jay-jay? Would you seriously call that sexual assault?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2011 at 6:29 am
    Of course mind you I don`t disagr

    ...cutoff...

    I don`t disagree with their purpose.
  102. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2011 at 6:48 am
    Oh wait Willy told her to do so.

    I`m sorry telling someone IPSO FACTO doe NOT mean that there was any desire for them to do said action against their will. Coercion or compulsion does explicitly deny the option to refuse, but according to the official record Clinton told her but did not compel or coerce her.

    Lastly Paula Jones filed a sexual HARASSSMENT case against Willy. Why the serious downgrade hmmm?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    December 6, 2011 at 10:53 am
    Oh boo-hoo laws aren`t STRICT enough for you?
    Backwards again @cajun! Under the `old rules` a rape victem had to PROVE penetration for charges to stick. Hundreds of rapists who could afford good lawyers got off free! (eh, the puns!)

    So it was an IMPROVEMENT to say that ANY unwante sexual attack COULD BE called assault.
    IMPLIED Coercion: it`s the backbone of many assault cases, eh?

    WITH? You`re joking right, because she was there in the room that was implied concent to see "little willy"? Really? She willingly engaged in deviant sexual behaviour with him? Really? "With" in this case means that another person(s) was affected by the deviant behaviour, NOT that she wanted it. If he pulled it out all alone? No assault.
    Next you`re going to debate the meaning of the word "is"...

    Indecent exposure is a FORM of sexual assault, m-kay? Like screaming dirty words at 3 year olds is.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    December 6, 2011 at 1:09 pm
    5Cats what you just wrote is absolute utter FAIL! Not only have you taken what I said out of context, you have also fundamentally skewed the concept of violence to such ridiculous levels I am not sure what you would not call violent. Just because someone lets another into their house does NOT mean that they consented to let the guest show them their genitals. That, however, does NOT mean that when the guest does so they have commited an act of violence against resident. Even if the guest TELLS the resident to perform fellatio that still does not mean the guest has commited a violent act against the resident because the guest has NOT done anything to or even attempted to threaten the resident. You are also suggesting that a woman who flashes her chest at someone else or a man who walks down the street buck naked is commiting a violent crime when that is SIMPLY not true because they do NOT or even attempt to threaten the well being of those around them.
  105. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    In conclusion 5Cats the criteria you have put forth fails catastrophically to distinguish between inappropriate behavoir and violent behavoir. I`ve made my point crystal clear and I`m DONE.
  106. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 6, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    One more thing: to show that I am impartial, I`ve actually read Paula Jone`s original complaint. Based on what she said the worst thing you could pin against Clinton would be Battery.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31771 posts
    December 6, 2011 at 4:28 pm
    @Cajun, sorry, you need to brush up on your Feminism 101: NOW style! THEY have been pushing for exactly what I describe for decades now, and in most places THAT is what the law is.

    Sometimes I think they`re crazy, but mostly is makes it easier to convict accused rapists.

    You seem to be most upset about "lawyer language" to me, just my observation. It isn`t called `rape` anymore, it`s called `sexual assault` & that sort of thing.

    Over & out!

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