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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:41 am
    Link: Everything Is Unconstitutional! - According to Ron Paul, Medicare, paper money and nearly everything else is unconstitutional.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:52 am
    It`s true.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:53 am
    Just because you`ve been living with a lie, and have grown to love the lie...doesn`t make it less of a lie.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:54 am
    ohhh Ronnie, you make me smile!

    so um why does everyone ignore the only sane person on the GOP mash-up of crazy, Hunstman? Seriously, I voted for Obama but will vote Huntsman is the GOP can get off their butts and nominate this guy. he is smart, reasonable, great with foreign policy...oh wait, never mind those are all reason the GOP won`t nominate him.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:56 am
    He also locks up during debates, and makes himself look stupid.

    I feel the same way you do Jamie, but the problem is, he is no electable.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:56 am
    Neither is Ron Paul.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:56 am
    Ron Paul is the type of conservative that doesn`t seem to understand that the constitution was made with the ability to progress with society. IDK about anyone else but I don`t really want to go back to how things were in 1788 o.o

    Still my favorite current Republican candidate because at least he isn`t bought by corporations, but he`s got some crazy ideas :x
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:58 am
    I told you all, that he`s an anarchist. If you still don`t believe me after seeing this video, than shame on you.
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    PacoP42 Male 13-17
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:58 am
    unconstitutional=/=evil, he`s just justifying that we have the authority to abolish the stated institutions
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    plimpslap Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:01 am
    I`m not even a republican/conservative and i still think that video was unfair to him
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:02 am
    15 tings are everything?
    Also the music sucked.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:06 am
    Ron Paul is our reset button.
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    burbclaver Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:11 am
    Would he, as president, have the authority to abolish these institutions? If it weren`t for the fact that he would have a briefcase with a big red button in it, I`d be tempted to vote for him just to see what would happen.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:12 am
    I`m starting to like this guy.
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    Xpekt Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:16 am
    Just because he doesn`t believe in conventional government doesn`t make him an anarchist. Income tax didn`t even exist when the United States were founded. It was supposed to be a temporary measure to help with the war, and even then it was 1%.

    So sick of modern day politicians who talk about garbage instead of real issues. Ron Paul is a breath of fresh air.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:28 am
    He`s correct. All those items are technically unconstitutional. But this video is supposed to make him look bad? It just solidified my vote for him. Ron Paul 2012! I just donated $20.12. Reset button!
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    VargusMalfoy Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:39 am
    Well , he is right . Our government is too big , governs in ways that is actually against the law . We say nothing about it . He has my support .
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    Amurika Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:45 am
    The elite must really be $hitting themselves. Their hand picked morons can`t even put a sentence together. Ron doesn`t flip flop on issues and is still talking about the stuff he did when he ran back in 08`. People are waking up!
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 12:01 pm
    @Lillian: You are correct, the constitution was designed to progress with society. What you don`t appear to appreciate is that there are specific rules for altering the constitution -- none of which were followed when FDR set up Social Security and LBJ Medicare.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 12:02 pm
    Ron Paul is loved by the left because they know he is unelectable.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    The United States Constitution is not a living document. It means what it says. We do have a supreme court though, who is responsible for interpreting it for us.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    auburnjunky, I`m with you 100%. I HATE it when retarded people call the constitution a "Living Document". Every time I hear that I want to punch them in the head.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    Ron Paul is hated by the right because he doesn`t bend over for corporations.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 12:20 pm
    No Lillian. He is hated by the conservatives because he is weak on national defense. If he were president, a bad case of the crabs could kill us all.
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    roariamadino Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 12:24 pm
    spot on.
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    eovogt Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    If you dont vote for Ron Paul, I will find you.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 1:38 pm



    1,2,3 FREE BANANAS FREE BANANAS FREE BANANAS!!!
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    That last bit was wrong. He wants to get rid of those departments, he didn`t outright say those departments were unconstitutional.

    That bit of inaccuracy taints the message. Not only that but maybe he`s right. Maybe you need to change your constitution... join the rest of us here in the 21st century.
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    Smoothjc1 Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    Ron Paul is SPOT ON RonPaul 2012
    This guy is a genius. He is the reason I am voting for the first time in 20 yrs
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    and?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    I HATE it when retarded people call the constitution a "Living Document". Every time I hear that I want to punch them in the head.
    Sounds like you`re describing the bible, zealot.

    IMO the simple fact that it`s old is enough reason to have it rewritten. Good thing I don`t live in the states.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:07 pm
    I take back the first thing I said there, I didn`t catch him saying the list of departments was unconstitutional. I still think your constitution should be changed though...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:10 pm
    Living Document = "Hey. I am a leader who has a tyrannical agenda. I will change the constitution to meet my political needs, and drating rule this bitch!

    US Constitution (Written as is. It means what it says) = "Well I wish I could change this country, and turn it into a socialist mecca, squashing all liberty and human rights, but I can`t, because the US CONSTITUTION IS AWESOME!"
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    "All powers not delegated to the Federal Government (by the constitution) are retained by the states."
    Article 1 Section 8 lists the powers delegated to the Federal government.

    All of these programs have not been delegated to the Federal government. He is right that those things are unconstitutional. A state could possibly legally implement them, but not the Fed gov. We did not have any of these 100 years ago.

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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    auburnjunky: lillian is right. and by national defense I think you mean national offense. Why keep bombing these dirt poor 3rd world countries? Our military is built to stop armys, not to hunt individuals.
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    I hate when people hate things they don`t know. They call it a "living document" cause you can change it. It is not the same it was 200 years ago. When we talk about the Constitution we mean the Amendments as well. As far as taxes, they are constitutional. Xpekt, you part right. This is not the first government that they US had. For about 10 years we had a different government with no taxes. The 16th amendment gave us federal income tax. Thank you for playing.
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:15 pm
    @auburnjunky Amendments...look them up.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Ron Paul is a libertarian. Yes, he sais he`s Republican, but everything out of his mouth is the Libertarian Party schpeel.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:26 pm
    Ron Paul is definitely electable. The corporate media / government alliance wants you to believe he is not. Even if he wasn`t: vote for who you want, not against who you don`t want.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:27 pm
    gerry: he is. He has even said that the only way for him to possibly be elected is to get the republican nomination. People are too dumb to look past the two candidates the media chooses.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 2:32 pm
    When you are saying that something is "unconstitutional" you are not really saying much. People use phrases like "in breach of" or "in violation" - of certain constitutional rights or rules, but when you say that something is "unconstitutional", you are just saying that you enterpret the constitution in a certain way, and how you feel about it. Pretty pointless thing to say, really - but on the other hand, Paul has an image to take care of i guess :-)
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    Americans.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 5:58 pm
    AJ is correct, The constitution is not a "Living document", and was never intended to be.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 6:33 pm
    If he looks like he`s getting elected, I can see the CIA and SS taking him out.
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    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 9:25 pm
    destroy the federal reserve!
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 9:25 pm
    Arguments for an Originialist interpretation of the Constitution are ridiculous for a couple reasons, most notably:

    1. American jurisprudence is not (gaspeth) set up in the same way a fundie reads the bible. See AMENDMENTS.

    2. An Originalist interpretation leads you to some truly dubious beliefs for example, Slavery being legal and black people being equal to exactly 3/5ths of a person. (Not that those ideas don`t titillate the Rep. base). And I`d just love to see all those 2nd amendment nuts reaction when you tell them the only kind of gun they`re allowed to own is an 18th century smoothbore rifle/ single shot pistol, since after all those are the only guns the founders intended it for...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 9:44 pm
    Slavery and lessening a black man`s social worth are AMENDMENTS. i.e. NOT in the original document.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 28, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    Also, as far as the gun reference, do you really believe that they didn`t think the world would advance technologically? If they intended it to be 18th century muskets, they would have said so. Instead, they said "right to bear arms". Arms can mean a gun, or a slingshot, or a knife, etc.....
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 9:52 pm
    Aj an amendment prohibited slavery, black people being worth 3/5ths of a person is in the articles of the Constitution.

    Civics. It`s not hard.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 28, 2011 at 9:56 pm
    Originalists, being gifted with psychic abilities and therefore able to read the founder`s long dead minds, *know* what it means. Obviously, the original arms, you see the world does emphatically *not* change in an originalist`s mind.

    And just for future reference, we *do* have limits on what kinds of arms you can legally have believe it or not, among those prohibited are Cannons, Mortars, and mini nukes.
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    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
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    December 28, 2011 at 10:49 pm
    Ron Paul thinks the government should stay out of people`s lives. I couldn`t possibly agree more. He`s got my vote
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 28, 2011 at 11:14 pm
    QZ, when the 2nd Amendment was adopted, the standard-issue weapon for the infantry was a musket, while the typical citizen-farmer owned a long rifle which was more accurate and had a longer effective range and a faster rate of fire. In other words, the people were actually BETTER armed than the military!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 12:31 am
    Maybe not unconstitutional, but definitely counterproductive and a drain on the economy, and should be abolished nonetheless.
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 1:09 am
    And the sad thing is, people are taking him seriously.
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    Legion5 Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 2:12 am
    Ron Paul is definitely correct in his assertions that a vast majority of the things the modern federal government does are unconstitutional.

    For example the vast majority of the Federal government is established because of something called the commerce clause.

    What this means is that for example the federal government can enact a law that says that killing endangered species is wrong. The constitutional authority for making this law would be that by killing endangered species you will somehow effect interstate commerce. Such as by making people sad which deeply affects their desire to buy playstations. This is quite literally the authority for many laws.

    In fact the authority behind a large number of the things the government does can be literally summarized by adding X is the law "because it will make people sad and want to buy fewer playstations".

    The problem is that this authority is insane and nobody would agree it is in any way relat
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 29, 2011 at 5:17 am
    Amendments make the constitution a living document. If amendments to the constitution were unconstitutional then CJ and AJ would be right.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 6:47 am
    QueenZira. The founders intended the population to have every weapon the military has. This was so the people could keep their government in check. I remember seeing ads from some old 1930s magazine in which you could literally buy a military grade artillery cannon. Now people freak if you`re seen with an AK :/

    Ad for 20MM anti-tank rifle 1960.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 29, 2011 at 6:56 am
    Yep. If we don`t like our government officials, we are supposed to be able to say "drat YOU! GET OUT!" and replace their asses.

    I guess that changed.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    December 29, 2011 at 6:58 am
    I love the term, "Living Document". Isn`t that really code for we can interpret it to suit our ideas and opinions regardless.

    I thought the Constitution was meant to protect our rights and freedom? Am I wrong? Or was it really meant to enslave us in the popular politics of the day?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 29, 2011 at 7:31 am
    OutWest, You must not be aware that your rights were added to the constitution through amendments. So your love of the term "living document" is justified.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 29, 2011 at 7:44 am
    The basic framework of the constitution is what matters. The amendments are the interpretations of that framework. Some of them should be repealed, because they were put in place by people who were not seeking the best interest of this country.

    Amendments should be voted on by the people.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 7:57 am
    madest: The constitution grants powers of government, not rights. Rights are intrinsic. The principal of enumerated powers is what our country was founded on.

    That is why Ron Paul says all this stuff is unconstitutional. The constitution does not grant the government the power to do those things.
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    furrything Male 50-59
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    December 29, 2011 at 8:31 am
    Ha HAAA! That`ll show that `commonsense-talking` piece of poo! God, but I orgasm over the concept of Government taking over EVERYTHING....oh my god! Imagine getting drated from here to eternity!?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:17 am
    madest: Amendments don`t make the constitution a `living document`, sometimes judicial decisions do make it seem so.

    The supreme court granted itself powers it didn`t have in 1803 with Marbury vs. Madison, namely the power of invalidating laws, which some would say supersedes it`s original mandate. But even revered decisions like the one above can be overturned. Court decisions are not law, they are interpretations, the law making should be left to the congress.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:18 am
    Qualityjay, what you proffer is a modern, rather idiosyncratic interpretation of the 2nd amendment. In the past it has been interpreted differently.

    Interpreting it thusly today reveals some thorny issues like those mini nukes I mentioned earlier-if every Tom, Dick and Harry is to be armed pound for pound to keep up with the US government, then are mini nukes acceptable?

    Personally I kinda like the idea of not being vaporized by Jeddidiah Q. Hillbilly living in some remote log cabin somewhere.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:23 am
    Crakr, *that* is an idiosyncratic view of American jurisprudence.

    I`m consistently surprised to see "conservatives," people who claim to love history and tradition so much, consistently show so much contempt toward it when it comes to American laws and traditions.

    Or to put in modern phraseology- I`m surprised to see all the constant "Butthurt" about American ways of doing things all the time.

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:30 am
    Aj, the Constitution`s amendments *are* voted on by the people ala Congress.

    And there is little danger of "enslaving our politics to the concerns of the day" because the founders made so many nifty tricks and traps for aspiring kings it`s not even funny. Actually, this concern coming from the mouth of an Originalist is pretty funny really, considering you want to turn the Constitution into a 18th century anachronism.

    Qualityjay, once again see "unenumerated powers". Civics people, Civics.
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:33 am
    Of Course! I must be uninformed. But now feel that I have permission to have my opinion.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:34 am
    Furthermore, I *still* haven`t yet received a decent accounting of how all you originalist folks would tackle the issue of Slavery.

    I kinda figured that one would be a biggie, but I suppose everyone here is just totally OK with lines and lines of chained suffering humanity. My bad.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:36 am
    QueenZira: Everyone always goes to the nukes... IDK what to say about that. I wish they didn`t exist.

    But despite how it has been interpreted. It says, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    Infringe: to limit or reduce someone’s legal rights or freedom

    Pretty black and white. Despite the Supreme Court`s decision to allow infringement.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:40 am
    Queen Zira: Slavery is an easy one. All people are endowed with the same inalienable rights. Black people are people, thus slavery is illegal.

    In fact, slavery was illegal in the first place. They just had a different definition of "people".

    Kinda like there are different definitions of "infringement"
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:41 am
    Slavery was a way of life in the time of the founders and the Constitution reflects that, going so far as to define black people as 3/5ths of a Human Being.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:45 am
    In other words Illegal my cat`s saggy fat rear-the first Constitutional delegates turned themselves inside out to ensure that the southern states wouldn`t freak out over the Feds coming for their slaves.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:50 am
    Ok. Well drat. Keep it all original except slavery.

    Zira, you seem smart/educated. Why do you trust government so much? One thing I DO know about the founders, is that they DID NOT trust gov. and for good reason. The more power you give them, the worse it gets. History proves this.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:54 am
    Also, what are you arguing? That Ron Paul is wrong?

    Previous post:The constitution grants powers of government, not rights. Rights are intrinsic. The principal of enumerated powers is what our country was founded on.

    That is why Ron Paul says all this stuff is unconstitutional. The constitution does not grant the government the power to do those things.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 10:58 am
    Conservatives have, for a generation cultivated a distrust in government that goes way beyond anything the founders respected.

    I believe in Government`s ability to work for the people and not against the people because #1. of the truly wonderful heritage our founders left for us in the Constitution, (it really is a great system) and #2. Because in this country the government is US. We The People. Why would you ever want to give that responsibility away to some shadowy plutocrat not accountable to The People?

    Our Democracy is a sacred trust.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 29, 2011 at 11:00 am
    The Supreme Court is doing what the Supreme Court does. None of which is unconstitutional. Your parroting Newt Gingrich and I wonder what laws specifically Newt wants overturned. I doubt he has a problem with the Citizens United decision which we the people will eventually change. In the mean time abortion is legal, and you have to deal.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 11:01 am
    Addendum: I`m arguing that Paul is insane and if ever in a governing capacity would shock even his most ardent defenders.

    There is so much more to a complicated document like the Constitution that can`t be sloganeered in a minute and a half.
  79. Profile photo of QualityJay
    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 11:08 am
    Zira: I like your attitude. As a "tinfoil hat paranoid" person, I believe that power has been taken slowly for years. Legislation has been passed and not necessarily used openly (even stuff that didn`t pass, it`s freaky that our "representatives" think this stuff up.) When the economic reset happens, lots of people will lose money. There may be civil unrest and that would be the perfect opportunity to start using these acquired powers and executive orders. (I have read enough primary sources to convince me of this.)

    go ahead. call me crazy

    And what do you mean give away to a plutocrat? The plutocrats already have much of the power... Ron Paul would cripple them.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 11:14 am
    I won`t call you crazy, it`s true, we`ve seen a great grabbing of power as of late. Ever since 9/11. But these things have a tendency to happen in American history, and in every struggle previous we`ve emerged victorious with our Democracy intact. We can do it again today. (Plutocrats being what resulted from Citizens United).

    And again, Paul is not as he seems, not that he has any real chance at the nomination but still, there goes a wolf in sheep`s clothing.
  81. Profile photo of QualityJay
    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 11:19 am
    A wolf in sheep`s clothing? Have you seen his voting record? Is it bad that he consistently does what he says and says what he does?

    If you think he is a wolf, he is at least a wolf in wolf`s clothing.

    Oh and I hope your right, but I believe you are not.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 29, 2011 at 11:27 am
    "Our Democracy is a sacred trust."

    This is not a democracy. It is a Democratic Republic. If it were a true Democracy, human rights would be meaningless if the majority deemed it so. (See California and their gay marriage votes. All 3 of them.)
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 11:30 am
    Tomato tomatoe, I`m just interested in keeping it from becoming a Democrazy. (The founders did see ancient Greek style direct democracy as mob rule though, good eye AJ).
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    i05fr3d Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    Federal Reserve notes according to the constitution is unconstitutional. Money was supposed to be only printed by the US Government, not the Federal Reserve. Plus with the massive amount of loans, $10 is like only having $1 :D
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    PhotoKing Male 30-39
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    December 29, 2011 at 3:58 pm
    he reminds of of Perdue - the chicken guy
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 29, 2011 at 6:41 pm
    QueenZira: I`m arguing that Paul is insane and if ever in a governing capacity would shock even his most ardent defenders.

    That is THE smartest thing I`ve ever heard you say, and i agree with you on that.

    But as for your fear of the people and trust of the government, both are misplaced and unwise.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 29, 2011 at 6:44 pm
    i05fr3d: The Federal Reserve does NOT print money, they buy money that is printed by The Bureau of Engraving and Printing and The US Mint.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 8:10 pm
    Yep - nothing shocking about those two headline examples, they easily fit the `bill.` Just wanted to get that out of my system before I watch the video.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 8:16 pm
    After watching the video - I`m not sure about Commerce and Labor, and might even go so far as to consider the dept of Energy, depending entirely of course on its parameters and scope of influence. But honest to goodness, who in their right mind would go to all the trouble of defending those numerous other remaining drains on our self-determination and prosperity? Who`s that much in love with their income tax?
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 29, 2011 at 8:43 pm
    Crakr I do get the warm fuzzies whenever we agree on something, no matter how rarely that is. However *corporations are not people,* we can`t subvert the 1 man 1 vote principle at the heart of our system. Entities that are born in a patent office, exist only on paper, have deeper pockets equaling a louder megaphone than anyone else and never die, are not good stewards of a democracy. Prove to me that the Michelin Man and the Wendy`s girl are as flesh and blood as you and I and then we`ll talk.

    In fact we`ve been through this particular dark stretch of road before, it was called the Gilded Age and it sucked.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 30, 2011 at 12:37 am
    QueenZira: I can`t prove that the Michelin man is real, But Wendy Thomas is a real life person, Link

    But I don`t get were you accuse me of supporting any effort to "subvert the 1 man 1 vote principle at the heart of our system", as you put it.

    We aren`t a pure democracy, we are a constitutional republic. The term democracy is very loosely interpreted these days, even North Korea calls itself a `democracy`, but we all know that`s very far from the truth.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 30, 2011 at 1:57 am
    The Michelin Man is an entity that has no physical existence and apparently Wendy does, but Wendy is also a single human. A single human with a single vote.

    You cannot take a single human`s vote and incorporate it, you can`t give a single human`s vote to a group who already have individual enfranchisement and who hide behind a for profit abstraction to do it.

    I`m aware of the proper use of the term Democracy, I use it here in the colloquial sense. Just as it is not necessary to always say "Parliamentary Democracy" whenever speaking of Britain, it is not necessary to always say "Democratic Republic" when speaking of the US.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    December 30, 2011 at 4:03 am
    Zira, I`m sorry for having to chime in here but have you ever tried looking at it this way - instead of mega-corporations bribing politicians behind closed doors you`ll have them contributing on Public record, and at the same time enable smaller incorporated entities that may not have had a voice before to contribute their opinion in a more powerful way on issues that may have to do with things like, you know, preserving small business in America? Or how `bout the impact of progressive tax brackets on the "rich," who many Americans don`t realize also encompasses earners in the meager 6-figure range (an income level most Americans should be encouraged to aspire to in a genuinely entrepreneurial society). Sounds pretty transparent to me, doesn`t it? In fact, it sounds pretty becoming of this sacred trust you call America`s democracy.

    Not every corporation has an animated mascot, you know.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 30, 2011 at 5:46 am
    Addendum: I`m arguing that Paul is insane and if ever in a governing capacity would shock even his most ardent defenders. ------------
    You give a Paul Presidency too much power. He`ll merely be 1/3 of co-equal branches of government. Abortion will remain legal. Board of education won`t go away but our war mongering ways will end. This is huge seller to all the anti-war people on both sides of the isle.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    December 30, 2011 at 12:57 pm
    Aisle madest, Aisle! I would have never pegged you for a Ron Paul supporter though - Kudos!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    December 30, 2011 at 5:45 pm
    Aisle indeed.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    December 31, 2011 at 9:03 pm
    its scary thats hes running for president!
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    i05fr3d Male 18-29
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    March 23, 2013 at 2:33 am
    @carkr you are smoking some good ass dope man... :) you need to learn more.
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    i05fr3d Male 18-29
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    March 23, 2013 at 2:41 am
    Crakr wiki or google `federal reserve note`. Learn the difference between a gold certificate,or silver. The. Tell me I`m wrong..... :)

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