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Date: 12/13/11 07:50 PM

113 Responses to Eric Bolling Kicks Atheist Off His Show

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    December 13, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Link: Eric Bolling Kicks Atheist Off His Show - He gives him the boot for `Denigrating The Name Of Jesus Christ`.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:11 pm
    so the atheist thinks that jesus created hell, and that was one of his points against a nativity scene? what an idiot.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:13 pm
    LOL! Silly religious people. As soon as he started to lose the argument, he got scared and booted the guy. Keep that mind closed up tight! Don`t let any of those bad thoughts in! LOL!
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:27 pm
    By the length of the video and the description, this sounds like something I really don`t want to see.

    Not to mention FN in the thumbnail.

    Maybe in future there could be a warning? "watching this will make you want to shoot someone" for example.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:30 pm
    The host brought up the point that it would be ridiculous to have festivus poles and shrines to the flying spaghetti monster. Yeah, exactly. That`s the whole point. That there are only two ways to fairly display religion on government grounds: To display ALL religions, and to have to figure out which religions are legitimate/not and what proportion of exposure they should get, or to display NO religions. Now, of those two options, which one makes more sense and is ultimately feasible? Exactly.
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    DiePSPolice Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:32 pm
    I`m an atheist, but I think the guy who got booted was being a jerk, and kind of deserved it. The second guy who was arguing was much more reasonable about it.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:34 pm
    That`s very Christian of you.
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    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:36 pm
    @WeePee He said nothing of the sort.. he simply said jesus created hell, we were born with sin and he doesn`t like public representation of humans being born sinners and the degradation of those myths are insulting. You and Eric bolling need to find a crow bar, and try to pry your heads out of your asses.
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    Ani187 Female 30-39
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:40 pm
    I went through a very Christian phase when I was about 14 or 15 and then I discovered pot. I`m much better now. =D
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:50 pm
    so religion gets this free pass to bitch out homosexuals and atheists but as soon as some atheist has a legitimate complaint they poo all over us and secondly what a duche for just kicking him off the show like that
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    DesertDustX Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    It sickens me, I think Christmas is about family and being together, screw religion, holidays should just celebrate good times together. Atheist or not, that guy representing Atheists gave them all a bad name.
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    FoSchizle Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:53 pm
    Well, the fact of the matter is, Christmas is a distinctly religious holiday, specifically Christian. Sure, there are other celebrations going on at the same time (Hanukkah, Ramadan), but America by and large celebrates CHRISTMAS. I don`t understand why people have no problem celebrating Christmas but then turn and get offended when the root of the holiday is mentioned.

    Put up a Hanukkah display or a Ramadan display, they`re being celebrated now too. But seriously, people really need a thicker skin if a religious display makes them pissed off/uncomfortable. Don`t believe in God if you don`t want to. I, for one, won`t try to shove it down your throat. But don`t get offended when you see something you don`t believe in. I don`t get offended when I see images of other religions (or lack thereof). There`s plenty of things in society that, if I had my way, wouldn`t be displayed, but you don`t see me griping about it. If it really bugs you, just avoid it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 13, 2011 at 8:57 pm
    I`m glad to live in a town without assh*le atheists like the idiot in the first part of this clip.

    I hate people that feel they have to suck all the joy and Christianity out of Christmas.

    If you don`t like what Christmas represents, then go make your own holiday and quit screwing around with ours.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    Enough with the reason for Christmas bullsh^t. It`s a Pagan holiday. Why don`t we call just all pipe down and call it Holiday Takeover day, to make everyone happy.
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 9:21 pm
    i think they got every drating right in the WORLD to be able to keep the nativity scene up. drat these pussy atheists and their bullpoo. what the hell is happening to America when you cant even decorate your yard anymore!? (or a business)its about time a Christian stands up to these Atheist pricks. and by the way? im PERSONALLY a Satanist! but im sick of this Atheist movement. i cant even ARGUE my beliefs anymore, if you tell ANYONE you believe in God (or GODS in my case) your laughed out of the goddamn room! whatever happened to our RESPECT for each other?? ill be the FIRST person in the world to tell you that Christians took over Christmas, but thats still NO REASON to tell a public business that they cannot worship Christ on what is now CHRISTMAS. i think what EVERYONE needs to re-learn to do is STAY THE drat OUT OF EACH OTHERS BUSINESSES!
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    DesertDustX Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 9:22 pm
    I`m going to call it Christmas because I FU**ING LOVE SANTA!!!! Ho Ho Ho!! Egg nog and family gatherings, that`s what I care about in a holiday, no FU**ING religion owns the idea of what someone does on that day, it`s for a HUMAN BEING to decide what`s special about that day! Anyone can call it whatever they want, but they aren`t changing my mind or telling me what I have to say during this season.
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    elhowell Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 9:41 pm
    holy poo...... i like to make monkeys like you talk =)
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 9:42 pm
    ledzeppeloyd, have a conversation with a non-radical Christian church leading member and you won`t see any hate towards homosexuals. Just as the radicals don`t characterize Christians they don`t do for Athiests either. Saying you can tell Christians to take down a nativity scene is the same as someone saying HOMOS ARE GOING TO HELL. Extremists are extremist, derp.
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    elhowell Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 9:48 pm
    I bet none of you checked how the stock prices were affected. =) But thats why i love you.

    I`m not a christian, I just get paid by them.
    I believe in something, its just not defined in a book.

    I believe in love, but, I dont see many people here capable of understanding or giving it back.

    /smiley face.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2011 at 9:55 pm
    Atheists like this do not represent the views and opinions of major league baseball... Er, I meant most other atheists. Most of us are too busy having happy lives to worry about all you religious folk having much the same fun despite the difference of opinions.

    Sadly, there will always be a handful of idiots like this to give FOX more fuel for their `OMG is a war against Christmas!` line of bull.

    I don`t judge you by the actions of the Westboro Baptists, please don`t judge me by our bad apples either.
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    sourkraut Male 40-49
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    I`m an atheist through and through, but this is just bollocks! Christmas means something to people the world over, Christian or not. The nativity scene is just a part of that. So bugger off, Mr Barker!
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    Satkela Female 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:02 pm
    I love how the WI Atheist group sent the guy who wanted to take down the Nativity Scene and put up Anti Christianity signs. I thought that atheist didn`t believe in ANY gods whatsoever...why the big temper tantrum against Christians? I suppose the best way to get someones attention is to blatantly bash their beliefs. How on earth is the scene of Jesus` birth offensive to anyone? What could an atheist put up at CHRISTmas time as means of a celebration of their non faith...Santa? Because I thought you had to believe in him as well. This is to say I respect Atheist for their choices, but do the cynical ones always have to bash something they don`t believe in nor have knowledge of, because it was very obvious that the Atheist gentleman did not know what he was talking about when it came to Jesus.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:03 pm
    "in the world to tell you that Christians took over Christmas"

    You sir are a complete idiot. Cooporations took over Christmas. I am as anti-christian as they come, and I think this current day and age has lost the true meaning of Christmas, TO worship the magical baby that is making the world kill itself.

    Happy Holidays warmongers.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:06 pm
    @Fleaman1797
    You missed the entire point. The Atheist spokesperson clearly stated that he was fine with the nativity scene and such things in people`s yards or businesses, but the point was that it was displayed at the entrance of a government building. One of the basic principles of America is separation of Church and state.
    On an unrelated note, people need to get over the whole `Only Christians can have anything to do with Christmas.` Christmas is not celebrated on Jesus`s birthday, it was created to tie Christian beliefs and pagan beliefs together. The original holiday was a pagan holiday called Yule. And at this point, Christmas celebrates capitalism, not any religion it`s all about buying and giving.
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    jpfu220 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:07 pm
    I am a Christian, so call me biased, but i don`t see how the nativity scene is insulting. It seems to me if we are a diverse country, then we should celebrate our diversity. Display the nativity scene, put up a menorah. If you don`t believe in that faith (or lack there of) that`s fine. Why can`t we all just say "oh hey, your are (blank). Cool. " and now we walk away.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:08 pm
    both parties in this argument are stupid...
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:21 pm
    I`m Agnostic. This is drating stupid. How is a Nativity Scene an insult? If you don`t believe, don`t believe. If you do believe in something, do it. And everyone can keep their non-belief and believing complaints reserved for things that actually damage them.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:21 pm
    Steelgrid: I think this current day and age has lost the true meaning of Christmas, TO worship the magical baby that is making the world kill itself.

    Really ? Jesus never endorsed war or fighting of any kind, in fact he made it His commandment to us to love your neighbor as you love God. Matthew 22: 36
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:27 pm
    I`m an ignorant Athiest. I don`t believe in any gods. That`s as far as my knowledge of mythology goes.

    "What is that?"
    "It`s the birth of Jesus Christ?"
    "Who is that?"
    "The face of Christianity."
    "What is that?"
    "A religion with a singular God who gives everlasting life in paradise to his pious followers or eternal damnation to non-believers and non-repenters in the afterlife."
    "Why is that an acceptable piece of art on MY government`s property?"
    "Because."
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:33 pm
    Who? And why should I care about this d-bag or the d-bag on his show?
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    bLooBaLLd419 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:35 pm
    flying spagetti monster made me LOL
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    DSDavis008 Male 13-17
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    I don`t think he understands the difference between deist and theist
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    Spear Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:42 pm
    "Really ? Jesus never endorsed war or fighting of any kind, in fact he made it His commandment to us to love your neighbor as you love God. Matthew 22: 36"

    Jesus may not have endorsed war or fighting, but Christians have never done what Jesus preached.
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    defendors87 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:42 pm
    what if the christian community wants to put it back up?
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    swiftkeys Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 10:51 pm
    What?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 11:11 pm
    Christianity out of Christmas.

    If you don`t like what Christmas represents, then go make your own holiday and quit screwing around with ours.
    Hey Crakr. I`mma blow your mind here, but...

    "Christ"mas IS NOT, HAS NOT, and NEVER WILL BE "your holiday." Unless, of course, you consider stolen property the belonging of the thief.

    "Christ"mas has nothing to do with Christ. Jesus was NOT born around Christmas, exchanging gifts was not a Christian idea, the tree was part of ancient heathen rituals, etc...

    You stole the holiday from the pagans before you.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 11:14 pm
    By considering "Christ"mas a Christian holiday, you are actually committing a blasphemy against your own religion. Indeed, the only reason Christmas is tolerated in churches and the like is because Christianity is so disgustingly impure compared to what it once was.

    Because "Christ"mas started out as a non-Christian holiday, by celebrating it you are actually breaking the first Commandment that "Thou shall not have any other gods before me." After all, the holiday was originally meant to celebrate and worship the Winter Solstice, at which point the days became longer. It`s a form of Idolatry, which is a sin against your god.

    To be honest, by rejecting the Christ in "Christ"mas, an atheist is being a better Christian than you are.

    So how`s about this: You stop considering it YOUR holiday, and treat it as just a good time to be happy and charitable like us atheists? After all, that`s all it is, unless you`re a heretic.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2011 at 11:21 pm
    what the hell is happening to America when you cant even decorate your yard anymore!? (or a business)
    That`s just the thing, dumbass: it wasn`t on private property. It was on PUBLIC PROPERTY.

    Watch the f*cking video.

    You say you`re a "Satanist," but are you a LaVeyan Satanist, or just a pissed of Anti-Christian moron? Because if you`re just a pissed of Anti-Christian, than I shouldn`t have expected any more intelligence from you. If you`re a LeVeyan, then shame on you.
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    TommyG232 Male 13-17
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    December 13, 2011 at 11:23 pm
    "the nativity scene an insult to human nature"
    Jesus never told anyone to bow to him. Jesus never condemned anyone to hell or even mentioned hell once in the Scriptures. He never said people were deserving of torment. Throughout his life, Jesus decided to spend time with the outcasts of society (lepers, prostitutes, tax collectors) because he believed they needed hope....Jesus does believe that we are all sinners, but who disputes that? He certainly didnt "create" hell. In fact he did the opposite.
    For the poor and sick in Jesus`s time, life was hell. They were told by the civic and religous officials of the time that God was punishing them. However, Jesus preached a message of toleration, acceptance, and love....Can someone explain what this idiot in the video is talking about?
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    kemic Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 12:05 am
    TL;DW
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    mrpuddle Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 12:06 am
    Nice.
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    iceblack Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 12:41 am
    Ummm... I have a lot of reactions to this, mainly...

    I think Atheists, mainly atheists organizations, are taking the discussion to a very weird level where they find something "Offensive", You may find it weird, stupid, maybe even awkward and nonsensical, but offensive? I don’t think Christians could EVER understand why they say that, it’s just impossible to even begin to comprehend an argument like that if you are religious, it’s useless.

    I’m ok and I like it how they use the “There are more religions, we can’t pick a favorite” card, but that’s where it should end, with it’s branches of course, if they spend tax money to set the display or something.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 12:42 am
    "You say you`re a "Satanist," but are you a LaVeyan Satanist, or just a pissed of Anti-Christian moron?"

    One and the same...
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    dukdodgers Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 12:53 am
    We can all thank Emperor Constantine for this mess. Happy Saturnalia everyone!
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    bataleon27 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 1:17 am
    When will Fox learn....
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 1:17 am
    Fair and balanced my ass.. Jesus the man wasn`t such a bad guy, but the idea that jesus has come to represent really is hateful and barbaric, and indeed insulting..

    And as many of you have pointed out, christmas isn`t anything near a christian holiday..
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2011 at 1:21 am
    I respect people`s right to express their religion, but he does have a point; to have a religious display dominating a public property (especially a courthouse, city hall or local seat of government) that is authorised and paid for by a local government does send a message that the religion in question has a privileged place within that government.

    I also believe that the US` founding fathers were very specific that religion and government should be separate. Christian symbols and mantras only began spreading into government and the currency much later in violation of Establishment Clause of the First Amendment and the Separation of church and state.

    "In God We Trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States only in 1956!
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 1:27 am
    I`m an atheist myself and I find the complaint of the atheist group rather silly. If you don`t like it, just ignore it.

    By demanding the nativity scene to be removed, you`re just being as zealous as, let`s say, the people at FOX, evangelicals, or those people who don`t want a Sufi Muslim community centre being built two block away from Ground Zero.
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    iceblack Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 1:47 am
    @Neoptolemos
    You, as many others, are missing the point. It isn`t against christianity, it isn`t even against religion, it`s about goverment being biased to a particular religion.

    Christians and Fox didn`t want the Muslim centre BECAUSE it was a muslim centre, Atheists don`t want this display because government shouldn`t allow or promote any religion in public places or events, any of that in PRIVATE places, that`s just ok... You have the right to do so if you bought/rent it
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 1:50 am
    "Really ? Jesus never endorsed war or fighting of any kind, in fact he made it His commandment to us to love your neighbor as you love God. Matthew 22: 36"

    Please crackr.....I didnt say Jesus was killing everyone, just his appearance is causing people to war over invisible power. My post was actually in support of Christmas as a Christian holiday. I gots my Yule, but alas, if you MUST try to make a defense in your evil religion, Ill use your own history as a rebuttal....

    *Yawn here we go again..

    -Crusades
    -Dark Ages
    -Sexism
    -Racism
    -90% of wars
    -The mass murder in Norway
    ...ect ect ect

    All perpetrated under your lord`s name using scripture to explain how their actions are right.

    Hell the dude is dead, HAS BEEN DEAD for a couple millenia, and you have an effergy of his BABY....HIS GODDAMN BABY!!!!! Wasnt even born on the 25th.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 1:53 am
    ""You say you`re a "Satanist," but are you a LaVeyan Satanist, or just a pissed of Anti-Christian moron?"

    One and the same..."

    You couldnt be any more wrong. Being a Satanist does not imply anti-chritianity. Indeed, you cannot be a Satanist without being all about chritianity, considering Satan`s history begins as he gives the middle finger to the christian god all the way down to a fire pit of titties and beer.
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    Izaq Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 2:17 am
    "Atheist" has become synonymous with those tards.
    "Christian" has become synonymous with Westboro Baptist Church.

    It`s so nice when the media contributes to a peacefull atmosphere between people.
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 2:50 am
    "then they would feel discriminated when using a dollar with "in god we trust on it"... i know i would
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2011 at 3:44 am
    Steelgrid: Troll away, but your narrative that Christianity being `evil` is false. Perhaps some people have done evil, claiming `God made me do it`, but here are many others that`ve claimed `Satan made me do it` as well.

    People are fallible, we are all sinners. Jesus didn`t cause anything in your list to happen and anyone can misuse virtually any philosophy, religion, or lack thereof, for evil.

    As for your statement of Jesus being dead. No he`s not dead, he rose from the dead, he was seen by more than 500 people (1 Corinthians 15:6) after his resurrection. He sits at the right hand of God waiting to come back. (Mark 16: 19)
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    meowmeowmeow Male 13-17
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    December 14, 2011 at 3:54 am
    Fox news. Why the hell is this even on IAB? It`s not even slightly surprising.
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    cosmic_zombi Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 4:27 am
    Funny how atheist put up their own display in Leesburg, Virginia, but then attack a christian display, hypocrites. I would also like to add why Christianity? I failed to see atheist any where in the media stand against Muslims, Jews, Buddhist, or any other major religion (or minor for that matter). Seems to me that "athirst" should just be called anti-Christians. Lo
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    NILE12 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 5:03 am
    These people are so brainwashed.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2011 at 5:25 am
    Cannot view! The last "Media-ite" video didn`t work either, for me.
    Anyone know why?
    YouTube Linky!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2011 at 5:32 am
    That guy was being a total DICK! What a jerk, he certainly deserved to be booted!
    He`d answer a simple question with a diatribe against Christianity, hate filled and false. Why allow him to continue?

    @Revolutioniz: He said nothing of the sort... but then you quote him saying EXACTLY that! wtf?
    He did say Jesus created Hell, which is a weird thing to believe, eh?
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    tobyvictory Male 70 & Over
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    December 14, 2011 at 5:44 am
    US Government buildings, local, state and federal should NOT display anything religious for the simple reason we allow all religions and the yard would become too cluttered and tacky.
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 6:03 am
    I watched the first 15 seconds and knew the atheist was a moron. I am (more or less) atheist myself, and this is just drating stupid. There can`t be religious freedom if it means loss of freedom for someone else.
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    calw Female 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 6:18 am
    As an atheist, I personally don`t give a crap if someone has a nativity, cross, freaking statue of Jesus in their yard or on any property, just as a Christian wouldn`t care if I left my yard or house clear of all such things. If I don`t believe in it then fine, I don`t. They aren`t dragging me in a church and making me pray. My atheistic views are about tolerance and acceptance of all people, sexuality and religion alike. Also, I find it very strange that there is now "Atheist Groups" isn`t that the equivalent of an organized religion (without the deity)?
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 6:49 am
    I don`t think people really know what "separation of church and state" really means. It doesn`t mean that government buildings can`t display religious things or that money can`t have the word "God" on it. It`s not even in the Constitution!

    The phrase came from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. It stated that "... I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should `make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,` thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

    The government can neither declare an official religion nor make a law that prohibits a religion in any way.

    THAT`S IT.
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    Pheeshy5 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 7:18 am
    Both these guys are idiots. As an atheist, I don`t see how a nativity scene is insulting, it`s Christmas, who cares? I`m tired of this whole "IT`S CHRISTMAS!" "NO IT`S THE HOLIDAYS!" argument. I`m gonna go get some spiked egg nog and watch National Lampoon`s Christman Vacation, don`t bother me.
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    jteachey1 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 7:45 am
    Why is it relevant that they are an outside influence? ITS NOT. The town was breaking the drating law. Way to spend a lot of time on some poo that doesn`t matter to the discussion. Just like Fox.
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 8:01 am
    Like most other atheists on this board, I agree that the atheist group leader was an idiot. Let people put up what they want. If it is a community run council, I don`t see the harm in them celebrating their religion.

    What I`m truly tire of is this PC nature that has swept the country. EVERYTHING can be construed as offensive to SOMEONE. There is no way not to have hurt feelings, so PLEASE stop complaining and suing each other.
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    Apexs Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 8:01 am

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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 8:08 am
    Sometimes people need to learn to pick their battles. This is pointless and reminds me of children tattling on each other.

    @Ogen

    Agnostics are atheists.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 8:17 am
    TruTenrMan: I don`t think people really know what "separation of church and state" really means. It doesn`t mean that government buildings can`t display religious things or that money can`t have the word "God" on it.

    Wrong, The establishment clause has been taken too far from it`s intention, it was to prevent the government from establishing a national religion, like King George had, in Britain, with the Anglican church.

    We have freedom OF religion, NOT freedom FROM religion. That is what most people understand and accept, except for those militant atheists wanting to eradicate any mention of religion no matter where it`s found.

    How anyone can find a nativity scene to be `threatening` is beyond reason. No one is forced to pray, no one is forced to believe. If you find a Christian cross to be threatening then probably this country is not for you, because it would be hard to go anywhere in America without finding one within
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 8:18 am
    @patchgrabber

    Agnostic here, my position is: "I don`t know"
    Atheist position is: "There IS no god"
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
    662 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 8:19 am
    "Agnostics are atheists." wait what? That is the stupidest thing I heard. Agnostic believes that there is a higher power, they just don`t know what it is. Atheists don`t believe in a higher power. There is a difference.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 8:20 am
    @CrakrJak

    Is it right to make people carry around money that says "In God We Trust" or require that people put their hand on the Bible and say "So Help Me God" just to testify in court?

    I don`t think so.

    Now THAT is demeaning to agnostics and atheists.
  73. Profile photo of patchgrabber
    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 8:22 am
    @cajun

    "I don`t know" is fine. My reasoning for my statement is thus: If I ask you "Is there a God?" the agnostic says "I don`t know."

    When I ask the agnostic "Do you believe in God?" the answer is either yes or no. A "higher power" or a spirituality is still not theistic. If you don`t know if God exists therefore it is impossible to believe in him.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 8:25 am
    My point is you either believe or you don`t, you can`t say "I don`t know if I believe" because by merely saying that, you DON`T believe and are therefore atheistic.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 8:34 am
    I should rephrase my statement: If you don`t know if God exists therefore it is impossible to believe in him.

    I should have said "If you don`t know if you believe in God then you don`t."
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 9:12 am
    @CrakrJak :: I essentially said the same thing farther down in my post.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 9:15 am
    Cajun: ...require that people put their hand on the Bible and say "So Help Me God" just to testify in court

    Actually, no one is required to take an oath on a bible or even say, "So help you God" anymore. A simple affirmation, using no religious symbols, is sufficient in every state that I know of.

    `In God We Trust` has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion." Ninth circuit court of appeals, 1970
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    Mister_C Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 9:33 am
    I`m non-religious and have no problem with someone displaying the nativity scene. Each to their own. Saying you want an anti-Christian display or something is just stupid.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 9:57 am
    @CrakrJak

    I`ll be waiting for the Supreme Court`s ruling on the Motto then.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 10:00 am
    "Perhaps some people have done evil, claiming `God made me do it`, but here are many others that`ve claimed `Satan made me do it` as well. "

    I`m willing to bet that the "Satan made me do it" people are Christians (or any other religion that believes Satan exists) looking for an excuse for their bad behavior. Do you ever hear people say "Atheism made me do it"? o.o
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 10:01 am
    "I failed to see atheist any where in the media stand against Muslims, Jews, Buddhist, or any other major religion (or minor for that matter)."

    If there were Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc statues or whatever being put up in government buildings, these people would go after them too. And so would Christians (especially if it was Muslim thing). We don`t care about what religion people are, but we do care about things like the government using taxpayer money to erect decorations specific to only certain religions.

    I`m an atheist but I`m also a Buddhist (I consider it more like a philosophy really) and I`d think it`d be stupid if government buildings decided to put up mini Buddha statues or something. I don`t get why Christian`s want so bad to push their religion on everyone else instead of keeping it to their own home and their own property.
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    birdawg68 Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2011 at 10:25 am
    People wouldn`t say "atheism made me do it" because they don`t believe they have a soul or that there is a higher power. Atheism is not a religion, but a lack there of. They would be more likely to say "society made me do it" What upsets me is how people now wants freedom from religion of any kind, and do not seem to want any one else to have religion. That makes them as bad as the extreme christens or muslims.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 14, 2011 at 10:48 am
    The Bells! Monty Python is genius!
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    birdawg68 Male 40-49
    133 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 10:51 am
    I also found that after reading the posts on this page most atheists are pretty level headed and don`t care if the court house has a nativity scene. Its just those who are using atheism as a religion that do.
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    Trumple07 Male 13-17
    422 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 11:42 am
    "How can it be a symbol of hate? Jesus himself said X"
    Facedesk
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7597 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 1:00 pm
    Nothing wrong with a nativity scene- I an understand some people would prefer it not to be quite where it is- but as long as no one discriminates against them because they do not believe in Christ then no harm is done. Equally, it is not nice to insult another persons religion, but to kick him off like that made wotisface look like a dick...
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    capnlumps Male 13-17
    41 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    only on fox
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2011 at 1:51 pm
    Cajun: It`s never got that far, and the Ninth circuit is the most liberal bench of judges in the country.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    I know but it might come up again, but alas I won`t hold my breath.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    Jesus would hate this guy...if there was a Jesus.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 14, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    Well, the fact of the matter is, Christmas is a distinctly religious holiday, specifically Christian. Sure, there are other celebrations going on at the same time (Hanukkah, Ramadan), but America by and large celebrates CHRISTMAS. I don`t understand why people have no problem celebrating Christmas but then turn and get offended when the root of the holiday is mentioned.

    The root of the holiday has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. It`s a combination of the traditonal ancient Roman religious celebration of the winter equinox (Saturnalia) and Mithraism (specifically, Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, the celebration of the birth of the sun god on the 25th of December).

    So you`re completely wrong. Even your own bible (the only mention of Jesus` birth) clearly puts Jesus` birthday outside of winter and certainly not in the middle of it.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    The original holiday was a pagan holiday called Yule.

    No, that was usurped by Christianity a bit later, when it conquered northern Europe. The original was Saturnalia/Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, which Christianity usurped when it was conquering Rome.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    "Agnostics are atheists." wait what? That is the stupidest thing I heard. Agnostic believes that there is a higher power, they just don`t know what it is. Atheists don`t believe in a higher power. There is a difference.

    You are wrong about what "agnostic" means, so your conclusion is wrong and you are making yourself look foolish for calling someone stupid because they know what a word means and you don`t.

    Agnostics are atheists.

    And you`re wrong too.


    Agnosticism is the general idea, applying to all things and not just religion, that a person should not claim something to be definitely true unless they can objectively prove it or, in more casual usage, give compelling objective evidence for it. It`s a seperate thing from religious belief or lack thereof.

    Gnosis - knowledge.
    Theos - gods.

    Different things.
  94. Profile photo of PhotoKing
    PhotoKing Male 30-39
    526 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 3:53 pm
    ben franklin never said that.

    who is the red head? looks like my little mermaid.

    i`m an atheist, and i don`t like what that group is doing. it`s none of their business, and it makes all of us look bad. let them have their little scene, it`s not like he had a better idea for it (though i vote for burning it due to how ugly they look). like it was sponsored by burgerking.

    i don`t like how he said it was a symbol of hate, when it`s not. it`s a birth scene, nothing more. the whole principal of jesus is messed up though.

    i also wish people would get rid of the notion that the stupid spaghetti monster is our god. it`s idiotic, but would make a cool decoration. we could hang meatballs from the trees.
  95. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 3:57 pm
    So, for example, I am an agnostic atheist. I don`t have compelling objective evidence, let alone know for certain, about the existence or lack thereof of any kind of god or gods and I don`t believe in them.

    You can have agnostic theists (pure faith - they acknowledge they don`t have objective evidence, but they believe anyway)

    You can have gnostic atheists (they claim to know, objectively, that there aren`t any gods and they don`t believe in any gods).

    You can have gnostic theists (they claim to know, objectively, that there are god(s) and they believe in them). Although it could be argued that gnostic theism is technically impossible because if you have objective proof then belief is an irrelevant concept.
  96. Profile photo of M_Archer
    M_Archer Male 18-29
    525 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    "Agnostic atheism?" "Agnostic theism?" Aren`t those both contradictions in terms?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 4:52 pm
    "Agnostic atheism?" "Agnostic theism?" Aren`t those both contradictions in terms?

    No. I explained in some detail what each word means - can you tell me which parts didn`t you understand, so I can come up with another way to explain them?
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    rorschach72 Male 30-39
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    December 14, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    Big surprise, an ignorant religious fanatic refusing to have an intelligent discussion.
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    Bravosmith Male 30-39
    44 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 9:18 pm
    80% of the US population claim to be christian. 80% of our population is wrong? I`ll tell you what. If an atheist is right and I am wrong, and we both die tomorrow then what? Nothing happens we are just bones. On the other hand, if I (and the rest of the 80%) am right, and the atheist is wrong and we both die tomorrow then what? I go to a wonderful place called heaven, and the atheist goes to a fiery hell. Believe what you want, as for me and my house, we will serve the lord.
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    ccalhoun86 Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2011 at 10:20 pm
    I assure you, 80% of the population is definitely not Christian. And if you and an athiest died tomorrow, and the athiest was right, you wasted your life believing in and, most likely completely failing to live by a set of morals and standards taught by a collection of fairy tales and trying to force others to believe them, too.
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    Kourogi Male 18-29
    82 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    I`m an Athiest, and I have to say, this is the dumbest thing ever. So a few Christians put up a symbol of their religion? It isn`t `insulting`. This is America, and in history, this happened, and showing the birth of a child, the son of God or not, isn`t insulting to me in any way.
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
    542 posts
    December 14, 2011 at 11:19 pm
    @ccalhoun

    Don`t quite see how it was a waste. I`ll believe in a magic teapot and encourage others to believe it if it changes their personality for the better. Fairy tales > pretension
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    photomstr Male 50-59
    766 posts
    December 15, 2011 at 2:57 am
    No atheist in his right mind would set himself up for such a gag . . . it was rigged just like `mercan Reality TV . . .
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    Burton_Ian Male 18-29
    815 posts
    December 15, 2011 at 6:06 am
    Move from militant modern atheism into secular humanism.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    December 15, 2011 at 6:17 am
    And you`re wrong too.

    I don`t think I`m wrong, exactly, just generalizing. I know that gnosticism is knowledge of God`s existence or not and is not theistic, I`m merely using the vernacular of "agnostic" to show that in today`s world, someone who would classify themselves as an agnostic theist, would be very unlikely to call themselves agnostic. Most who would classify themselves as agnostic, when asked if they believe in God, would likely say "no" or " I don`t know".
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 15, 2011 at 6:19 am
    @M_Archer:


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    cityncolour Male 30-39
    379 posts
    December 15, 2011 at 9:11 am
    wow. fox news never disappoints... or misses the message.
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    snakecharmer Male 18-29
    321 posts
    December 15, 2011 at 11:11 am
    That aithiest from Wisconsin has no idea what he is talking about. He brought no meat to the table in that debate, only opinion. Win for Christians!!!!
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    mcboozerilla Male 30-39
    646 posts
    December 15, 2011 at 9:56 pm
    I don`t understand why this segment was on a show called "Follow the Money". Anybody? I don`t watch Fux News.

    In any case, the atheist wasn`t denigrating Christ, in my opinion, but he was complaining about one interpretation of original sin which isn`t shared by all Christians. I don`t really see how that ties to the nativity scene or how that insults anyone, even if it doesn`t belong on public property.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    December 16, 2011 at 6:35 am
    fair enough, its his show.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 16, 2011 at 9:11 am
    How is a nativity scene "offensive"? I don`t mind atheists, but the ones who go around complaining about this poo just piss me off. Get a damn life and be offended by something that is ACTUALLY OFFENSIVE.

    This is small town TX, it`s the culture, get over it.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    December 16, 2011 at 9:23 am
    @kourogi - well said.
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    phmattmc Male 13-17
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    December 22, 2011 at 12:46 pm
    a nativity scene is offensive because it is on government land. That means the government supports Christianity which is against the constitution. When he said it was offensive he means that the government was forcing the idea upon people that if you don`t believe in someone, you deserve to be tortured forever. That is the sickest and most offensive thing in the world. That people deserve to be tortured because they don`t agree with you.

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