Bill O`Reilly And Gay Activist Clash

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago

They discuss that 8-year-olds confrontation with Bachmann posted a few days ago. Is O"Reilly right I-A-B?
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Female 8
It was obvious that the kid was coached by the way he actually spoke to Michelle Bachmann. He had to repeat it several times because he wouldn`t speak up. I agree with most comments I`ve seen, it`s terrible to force and coach your child to do this. It looks really bad. This problem has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the issue is homosexuality, I would have just as much problem if the child were being used for any political opinion. It`s just wrong.

Does the kid know at least something about this issue? I`m sure he does. Does he understand enough to speak to a political leader and say what he did? Probably not without coaching from his mother. If she had something to say, she should have said it herself.
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Male 254
They both have a point:

1) using the child was absolutely despicable and cowardly and just plain wrong.

2) had the child said "make sure i can afford to go to college" o`reilly wouldn`t have poo to say.

Bottom line, that kid was coached, it doesn`t help the gay movement, and it was absolutely despicable that the mother forced her kid to do that. having said that, clearly that horrible mother isn`t a good indicator of the GLTB community.
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Male 64
Not emotionally equipped?!?!?!? What the drat does that mean?!? I agree, using the child was cowardly, but to insinuate that homosexuality is emotionally traumatizing or disturbing to a child is down right ignorant. Homosexuality is a natural part of life. Love shouldn`t know the bounds of your stupid, closed-minded, ethnocentric, cultural view.

Bill took a perfectly valid point and tacked on a bunch of idiotic bull poo that was much better left unsaid.
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Male 83
Kids can be more astute and aware than many people give them credit for. To say this child has no political awareness or understanding what it means to be homosexual without knowing anything about how that child was raised and educated is just naive. Of course, I can understand why Billy O`Reilly could only understand this as coaching - after all, in his mind sexuality is something a parent should never talk with their children about. Oh, but let them watch shows where women are viciously murdered or blood splatters across the floor.

Do you think an 8 year old doesn`t understand what a bully is? Do you think they don`t understand that mommy is constantly being attacked in popular culture? Do you think that an 8 year old can`t understand some people think gay = broken, but that mommy is not broken? Maybe mommy said "that is one of the people that thinks I`m broken" and the child wanted to let her know she wasn`t... and hesitated out of nervousness in speaking to a
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Male 1,129
I love Bill O`reilly
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Male 379
i don`t know how that kid really felt about going up and speaking to mrs bachman, but his mother makes a great point. it`s ok for public figures to speak anti-gay rhetoric to anyone who will listen, including impressionable youth. yet if a young person defends his mother to said individual its an act of a heartless mother? some moral priorities need to be adjusted around here.
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Male 4,807

Sally has alot of balls for going on Billy(the douche) O`reilly`s show.

and I love how he says.. "I`ll give you the last word"... yeeah riiight Bill.

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Male 945
I rarely agree with Bill O`Reilly about anything...except this time. 8 year old kids aren`t worried about politics. The mom should`ve said her peace herself without using her sonas a mouthpiece. By the same token though, she`d be wasting her breath because Bachman doesn`t have a hope in hell of winning.
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Male 44
Nowhere else in the world would you hear a news presenter say "I`m telling you [name], you`re dead wrong" to the person they were interviewing. Their job is to present the news in an unbiased and objective way and this is simply outageous behaviour.
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Male 190
Captian Douche strikes again. Bill... just die already.
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Male 10,440
Fail OVERWHELMING! I... can barely keep up here.
"Is O`Reilly right I-A-B? "
For starters, what the f*ck kind of question is that?

... I didn`t get past 1:30. This Sally Kohn - the look on her face suggests she`s being tortured into this interview. Who in their right mind would want to appear on that sad excuse for a show?

Then there`s the whole clown show of candidates. What a travesty of a system!
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Female 2,289
Ya know... whether the kid was told what to say or not, when he grows up he`s going to look back on it and be glad he said it.

I think that`s what matters.



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Male 46
I agree with Bill. The kid was told what to say. It`s obvious. With that said I`m for gay marriage and gay rights but both extremism is bad on both ends. Bible beating republicans and super gays. If you want to be gay and proud that`s great, but why rub it in everyone`s faces? We don`t care that you`re gay, it`s like using the race card. Some things should just be private. The mother should`ve said something herself instead of using her kid.
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Male 314
Kid`s aren`t idiots. The kid probably knows that his mom is different and that people like Michelle Bachman hate her, and the wanted to tell Michelle Bachman to stop. The reason it looks like he`s coached is that he`s shy and his mom had to coax him into speaking up.
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Male 1,397
Well, I never thought in my wildest dreams, that I`d agree with O`Rielly on ANYTHING. But yep....spot on with this.
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Male 3,364
@jpfu220: If your Mom was gay, you would`ve.
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Male 65
this kid was definitely coached. when i was 8 i didn`t know the word gay outside of the song "deck the halls", and even then I didn`t know what it meant. Coached.
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Male 10,845
Bill is just plain wrong. Kids learn to network by the time their in kindergarten and they`re very capable of forming their opinions on something.

Say bill 90% of your audience agrees with you?
ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM
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Male 812
Yeah, look at them dirty gays using their children for a good cause. What has the world come to?
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Male 10,845
[quote]Not just related to tax, but also related to inheritance, hospital visits, etc, etc[/quote]

Why not? Those can be guaranteed by private contracts.
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Male 10,845
Hey Mr O`RLY WHERE was this complaint when the LDS was doing THE EXACT SAME THING to push Prop 8?
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Male 2,370
Shame kids can`t be kids today. If you want to be gay go right ahead. I`m a conservative but I don`t get involved in what happens between consenting adults behind closed doors. I just don`t agree with adults using children to further their agenda like the woman in the vid was obviously doing. I also don`t agree with "Billy Has Two Mommies" and the argument that small children need to be educated about homosexuality. Let the kid be a kid and leave them out of your adult discussion and desire to change the hearts and minds of society.
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Male 35
O`Reilly, rigtht for once. this kid-though well-versed- does not know what sexuality is, never mind homosexuality, which is a perversion, in the merest sense of the word.
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Female 39
I read somewhere when this first happened, not sure where or if it was true, but the mother said her son wanted to say something to Bachmann, but when he got up there he was too shy to say it and that`s why it looked coerced.

But moving on, guarenteed if some kid went up to Bachmann saying "you`re right, I wouldn`t want 2 mommies", O`Reilly would be praising this child for being such a free thinker. And when I was a child, I did know what it meant to be gay, and my parents never mentioned anything about it. It`s actually because I went to a catholic elementary school, and our religion books explicitly said that sex should only be between a man and a woman after marriage, and gay people are sinners that need prayed for. True story.
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Male 1,737
Kids don`t know squat about politics, and why should they. I agree with letting kids be kids for as long as can be.

Bill O`Reilly used logic, you can`t explain that.
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Male 97
Did Bill O`Reilly just make a good point?! Wow, I never thought I would ever agree with this man on anything, but I stand corrected that he has finally made a valid point. This doesn`t make up for all the other stuff I hate him for...but I do see him in a new light now.
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Male 1,360
Bill O`Reilly clashes? what a surprise! I stopped watching this pile of turd a long time ago.
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Male 6,737
Bill O`Dickhead sticks up for a republican? C`est un shock!
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Female 2,674
You can`t force your 3 year old to say and do what you tell them so they`re going to be trouble at 13? Wut? O`Reilly is a moron. I know for sure I knew what homosexuality was at 8. I knew my uncle and his boyfriend are gay and that there`s nothing wrong with it. Someone whose parent`s are gay is definitely going to know what homosexuality is at 8. Not everyone grew up in a little bubble like O`Reilly. I agree with him on the base point that using children in politics (no matter what side!) isn`t right, but he has to go and be stupid for the rest of the video.
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Male 734
Sally Kohn has the IQ somewhere in the neighborhood of the gum under Bill O`Reiley`s shoe. What a dimwit.
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Male 605
"He hesitated on the tape"

Tape? Come on man, it`s almost 2012.
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Male 2,514
I am all for gay rights, but I have to agree with O`Reilly this time. I think it`s very likely that the kid was coached, and I think that`s cowardly of the parent.
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Male 10
But yeah, making a kid do political work for a viral video IS wrong, just like that kid who yelled at the WS occupiers to "GET A JOB HIPPIES!" But I wonder if Crakrjak and Auburn called out the parents of that kid. HMMMMM
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Male 10
Sure it`s wrong to make a kid a political pawn. But even if the kid wasn`t used in that way... the point would still stand. Michelle Bachmann is a bigoted prick. Someone needs to set her ass straight.
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Male 626
While I`m all for gay rights, I think it is evil to use children to make political statements or make them say things like that. Honestly, I have never agreed with anything Bachmann has said, but I agree that the mother has no right to drag her son to say that when she could have told Bachmann off herself.
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Male 2,419
Teaching a child the truth isn`t brainwashing or using, just as telling them 1+1=2 isn`t. O`Reilly`s parents thought teaching him about the tide was brainwashing.

A child would definitely say something like this. Child see the news while the mom`s watching, hears what politicians are saying. Child says "Mommy why do they think you`re broken?" Phrasing the sentence with that structure sounds exactly how a child would speak.
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Male 12,138
Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal, I think we can all agree that Bill has a valid point here.

In other news, when we stop calling each other Libtards and Conservitards, and using terms like "Typical Lib", "Typical Redneck" etc, then we might reach some common agreement in the human race.

Heck, we might even save ourselves as a species. Imagine.
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Female 457
I am an Independent, and as such I hate any kind of biased news source whether it`s to the right or left(Fox and MSNBC respectively). But I gotta say that as much as I find him a dick, I`m siding with O`Reilly on this one. Whoda thunk?
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Male 15,832
O`Reilly can be a dick sometimes, but I gotta agree with him on this one. The mother was using her kid to try to score a cheap political point.
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Male 165
How can an 8 year old make such a political comment when most 18 year old Americans don`t know a thing about how their government works?
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Male 17,512
Using an 8 year old as a political ping pong ball is just wrong, I don`t care what the issue is.
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Male 3
Bill is a religious, right wing Nutjob! I don`t really like the kid having to say what he said but at least it does get it out for public debate. A small price to pay.
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Male 459
Bullocks! Who is this stooge actually trying to defend this lady`s actions? I`m not against her side, which is why I am ticked. Does being on the opposite side mean you have to agree with every tactic some douche on your side comes up with?
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Male 7,585
5Cats, while more people are agreeing with O`reilly in this video [including myself in a small way]. I dont believe that video hurt the gay rights movement, nor did it help it. I dont think that video could effect the movement at all.
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Male 1,083
I don`t just think people agree with me, I know that I think people agree with me...
-Paraphrasing O`Reilly.. cant disagree with that logic..
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Male 36,509
Didn`t work for me, here`s: YouTube Linky

I think at least 90% of IAB thought the mother was scum too, not just O`Reilly viewers.

He`s right, this video harmed the `gay rights movement` more than it helped.
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Male 404
While I do believe that (to an extent) an eight-year-old is relatively capable of forming his or her own opinion about issues, I can`t help but feel like his was pushed chiefly by his mother. No, I don`t think O`Reilly was giving enough credit to the child either. The kid is capable of understanding homosexuality (which isn`t really all that hard) and (albeit, perhaps through the influence of his mother) able to pick a side on the whole same-sex marriage/is homosexuality a sin debate. And I`m sure O`Reilly wouldn`t mind if the child said something that he agrees with. But the fact of the matter is that we don`t know whether the child was coaxed or not and therefore assuming either stance is a waste of time.
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Male 914
"So you think that marriage should have *no* legal status at all?

Not just related to tax, but also related to inheritance, hospital visits, etc, etc?

If you want to retain *any* legal aspects to marriage, you`re making the government part of it."

Abolish all marriage laws. Period. There`s absolutely no valid argument why marriage needs to be a "one stop shop" ticket to answering all of our legal partnership needs. In fact, it`s not. It`s a legal nightmare.

Give marriage the same legal weight as doggie and kitty weddings, and let those who need inheritance visit a damned lawyer.

/debate
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Male 4,902
Holy sh*t! I can`t believe it. I never thought I`d find myself siding with O`Reilly on anything. But he`s spot on here. I couldn`t agree more with what he`s saying.
That Sally guy was a complete dumbass. Try being a parent for more than just three years before making such broad statements. And get a f*cking haircut geez.
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Male 914
They`re both right and wrong.
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Male 12,365
[quote]As a Ron Paul supporter I think the Govt should get out of marriage and everyone should be able to do whatever when it comes to marriage.[/quote]

So you think that marriage should have *no* legal status at all?

Not just related to tax, but also related to inheritance, hospital visits, etc, etc?

If you want to retain *any* legal aspects to marriage, you`re making the government part of it.
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Male 157
Fact is that they`re both wrong to a certain extent. You might be able to force a child to do something, you might be able to tell a child what to do, but how the hell do you know the child. This whole video is pointless in retrospect.
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Male 49
Hell must`ve frozen over. O`reilly and I finally agree on something. The gay activist admits the mom coached her kid, "she did what she did to get this into the public conversation" (4:35), after denying it for the first 4 1/2 minutes.
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Male 1,471
I must admit - however much it pains me - i agree with the immoral imbecile on this one..
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Male 12
I really think he would have never brought this up if it was in Bachman`s favor. If she had a positive response he would have never talked about this
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Male 559
"It feels so wrong when Bill`s right. I think I`ll go force myself to vomit in a scolding hot shower. I need to be purged of this."

I couldn`t agree more. Agreeing with Bill and disagreeing with the gay activist makes me feel like I live in Bizarroland.
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Male 7,585
jav805, whoa man. I hate O`reilly as much as the next guy, but as much of a bigoted idiot he is, you cant compare him to WBC.
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Male 104
Riiiiight, 8 year olds getting coached by their parents to push their propaganda...ummmmm what about the west borough baptist church???? Those parents are continuously brainwashing their poor children to HATE homosexuals and I`m sure O`reilly is right there egging those parents on.
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Male 1,610
It feels so wrong when Bill`s right. I think I`ll go force myself to vomit in a scolding hot shower. I need to be purged of this.
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Male 27
I wonder if the boy was coached or weather or not his mom talks to him about things of this nature. Him being raised by a gay woman would lead me to believe he understands the situation. As far as having a political view on the matter, it could be possible that his mom doesn`t treat him like a dumb kid but rather informs him of the countries current stance on the matter of her specific life style.
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Male 1,064
o`reilly has a good point. hate to admit it but i`m with him on this one. i believe that gay marriage should be up to the states to decide the legality and i`m no homophobe but what the mother did was wrong
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Male 7,585
So, what the woman did may not necessarily be in the right, Bill here just doesnt seem to give kids quite enough credit.
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Male 7,585
Eight year olds are not stupid. If you go out and ask a bunch of eight year olds what "Gay" is, I`m betting 8/10 of them could tell you. I know a lot of kids, and most of them know what "Gay" is.

Also, children may not fully understand the politics around things, but they get the general gist of certain things. Such as, "My mom is gay, and this lady says gays are bad/wrong". From this they can come up with their own that that this lady is wrong.

The lady was wrong about not being able to coerce your kids into doing something, but that doesnt mean that this is what the woman did. She may have pushed her son into it, but that doesnt mean that she implanted the idea in him. He quite possibly saw Bachmann on TV talking about something being wrong with gays, and he turned to his mom and said there was nothing wrong with her, so she decided to have him repeat it.
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Male 7
I truly, truly, truly, very much hate this (or myself), but I have to say that O`Reilly is being very reasonable, although the whole thing about an 8 year old knowing or not about "sexuality" is speculation. It saddens me to know that a very important message like this gets overshadowed by the stupid way that it was delivered. This wasn`t a spur of the moment thing (I think), but a premeditated action. The mom should have spent a bit more time developing a better tactic (she needs to be expose to a game of chess). Now all the conservatives are going to bypass the message and go straight to the criticism of the mom, sexuality and human rights aside, she kind of deserves it. And it is hard (I think) for a rational person to back her up completely. It`s kind of like P.E.T.A.: the have a message I believe in, but they way they go about delivering is childish and embarrassing.
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Male 677
Yeah, exactly what Gerry said.
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Male 72
As a Ron Paul supporter I think the Govt should get out of marriage and everyone should be able to do whatever when it comes to marriage. However, with that being said. I watched the first 3 minutes and my jaw dropped. The boy was obviously coached into making the political point.
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Male 911
The woman wasn`t setting up a massive political campaign. She seems to be at a book signing? Billy O`Rielly is a moron who cant even begin to have a proper argument. This wasn`t an event that was supposed to move Americans, it was nonchalant. There was nothing to be achieved from having her kid say that, (whether it was her opinion od his) except maybe a reaction from the wretched woman that is Bachman.
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Male 37,889

If a parent used their 8 year old to say something pro-christian O`Reilly would have no problem with it. In fact, he`d call it good parenting.

That said, the mom was an idiot.
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Male 168
Bill O`Reilly is definitely right on this; don`t use your kids as political tools.
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Male 1,540
Is Bill O`Reilly right? Is he *ever* right?
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Male 321
This is one of the few times I side with Bill Oreilly; he was actually quite reasonable.
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Female 8,044
Link: Bill O`Reilly And Gay Activist Clash [Rate Link] - They discuss that 8-year-olds confrontation with Bachmann posted a few days ago. Is O`Reilly right I-A-B?
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