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    orange_panty Female 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    Link: Before You Go Donating To The Salvation Army - ...make sure you`re OK with their politics and what they do with all that money you gave them this Christmas.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    December 25, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    tens of thousands of soup kitchens?

    Highly doubt it.
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    Atrayu4u Female 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    I`ve never seen anywhere that they are a `church`. I donate anyway because my ancestor founded The Salvation Army. And I could swear that the kid handling the bucket to whom I donated last night was gay.
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    ChrisP12 Male 40-49
    186 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 12:42 pm
    If you`re poor, homeless, gay and need help would they turn you away? I don`t think so. So they won`t hire you or marry you if you`re gay...so what? On balance they do more good than harm.
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    aquaman1227 Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 1:04 pm
    Well, done giving them money.
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    asianchamp Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    random Microsoft Word hate letter.
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    jadedtortois Female 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    Well, I did some further research and I will not be donating to them EVER again. They actually do actively try to lobby against the LGBT community, and pro-choice movements.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    @a1butcher "tens of thousands of soup kitchens?
    Highly doubt it."

    Research...He may have got the numbers twisted around but basically they were going to close ALL the soup kitchens in New York, affecting `tens of thousands of homeless`.
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    monsterzero Male 40-49
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    December 25, 2011 at 2:35 pm
    Sorry, but I can`t say anything bad about an organization that fed and clothed me when I was down and out.
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    TheShgn2 Male 13-17
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    December 25, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    Well at least the only things I ever donate to them are old clothes and blankets, and you can`t get much lobbying done with old clothes.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    December 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    Whiners.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    December 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    well, if some photographed piece of paper says so then it must be true. That all the source I need.
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    nosecret Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm
    where can i go to donate???
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    S-s-s-s-sourceeeee
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
    2080 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    Appears to be a turd in the punch bowl.
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    jwhalerfan Male 30-39
    220 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    I hate liberals and their lives.
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    Satkela Female 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 3:39 pm
    Well considering that they just helped provide my son`s with Christmas gifts and Christmas dinner thus year I must disagree in the statement that the SA is not a charity. This is just more poorly used pro-gay propaganda that`s slandering a Christian Organization.
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    nayrbarr Male 18-29
    366 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    @Satkela I`ll be polite as possible with this. F*ck off you selfish bitch. So an amoral group helped your son, that doesn`t mean that you should just ignore the fact that they`re bastards. Would you have the same response if their actions were racially or gender motivated? I doubt it.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 4:23 pm
    I`ve only ever given them clothes and such, not money, which I think is fine. Now I`ll definitely not give them money, but clothes and etc is still fine. I have a huge problem with /donated money/ going to harm people rather than help people.

    "Whiners." - If they were spending donated money to go against civil rights for black people, you`d say the same thing, right?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    All lies, The LGBTs were trying to force the Salvation Army to hire lesbians and gays.

    Since the Salvation Army is a non-profit organization they don`t have to follow EOE laws, but the NYC government didn`t see things that way, initially.

    They don`t discriminate against anyone they give assistance to, they don`t ask anyone their sexual orientation.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36648 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    CrakrJ, you and I have had this discussion before. You claim the SalArmy is not a "churchy church" and they do general social work. If they just do social work, they are an employer and should be subject to all equal oportunity employment laws. If they`re a church, then they can do as their religious conscious says.

    But this is not "lies". They do not hire gays or anyone else they deem "immoral". But now you see why I don`t give them my money. Or in other words...
    I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!
    Nana nana boo boo
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
    385 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    Honestly, I wouldn`t donate clothes or toys or anything else to them, either. They have a policy of simply trashing any donations they don`t agree with--they make no effort to find other charities to take these items, they just go into the thrash.

    Clothes with imagry or styles they don`t like, toys for "immoral" things like Harry Potter, all of it given from the kindness in people`s heart and thrown in the trash by heartless Christians who see pushing their values as more important than actually performing as a charity.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    if the posted that maybe i`d start donating.
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
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    December 25, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    I just don`t donate to anyone. Every charity offends one group or another so this way if I keep all of my money I`m not going to offend anyone and I have extra money laying around.
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    birdawg68 Male 40-49
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    December 25, 2011 at 5:46 pm
    Heaven forbid that anyone stand up for what they believe in. Every one must cow toe to what general society thinks is ok, no matter how immoral they may feel it is. If you don`t like my opinion [email protected] you, get over it.
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 6:12 pm
    Heaven forbid that anyone stand up for what they believe in. Every one must cow toe to what general society thinks is ok, no matter how immoral they may feel it is. If you don`t like my opinion [email protected] you, get over it.

    Perhaps if those beliefs weren`t hateful in nature and attempting to reduce other citizens of the US to second-class status, you`d have a point. However, people also used religion to justify similar treatment of African-Americans. Anyone who isn`t a raging douche-bag would tend to agree such people are non-nice individuals, and they are rightfully despised by the vast majority of Americans. Now, most religious institutions will flat out deny they ever supported racist policies, despite evidence that proves they did.

    One day, the same will be true of their attitudes towards homosexuals. But there`s still sadly a long road ahead for that day.
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    zekumi Female 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 6:15 pm
    @birdawg68: Right. "Stand up" for your intolerant, morally repugnant belief that denies other human beings the right to live how they choose to, in a way that has no real effect on anyone but themselves.

    You can shove your head up your own disgusting rear.
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    sidewyz8 Female 18-29
    843 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 6:25 pm
    Well...I was feeling good about that $5 or so...
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    angelo0317 Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 6:41 pm
    "I just don`t donate to anyone. Every charity offends one group or another so this way if I keep all of my money I`m not going to offend anyone and I have extra money laying around."

    It offend me that you have money laying around. Now I`m going to carry a sign and protest that you should share your wealth with other people who don`t have money laying around... lol
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    December 25, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    This is misleading, yes they oppose gay life styles, however if somebody who is gay comes in needing help they are treated like anybody else. They do a lot of good and Dr`s Without Borders or Amensty International are not out on the streets feeding thousands upon thousands of people, they provide a totaly different service. I might nto agree with some of their stances, but I agree with how they help people.
  31. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 25, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Donate to what you believe, just don`t expect others to do the same.
    There`s a general idea that "they do good work so everyone should like them" and when I pointed out, way back when, that I don`t give to christian charities it stirred up debate. This thread illustrates my point. Why would any gay person give them money? They can do as they want, but don`t expect everyone to think they are great because you do, or just because they`ve been around a long time. I don`t expect you to give to the Gay Equal Rights fund.
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
    385 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    @Viking864

    While true that do accomplish good things, that does not excuse the bad things they do alongside them. There are other charities that feed people--why should my money go to one who will spend some of it lobbying against my ability to marry my lover?

    And while the SA`s official stance is to never turn away anyone seeking help due to their sexuality, that is rarely the actual practice, and known homosexuals are often denied service by their local workers who know of their orientation.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 8:13 pm
    I don`t give to SA for this reason.

    But just yesterday I picked my 4 year old niece up from school (run by the SA) and their SA van had an anti-gay bumper sticker on it. It makes me worry about the things they are teaching her... But she`s smart enough to make her own decisions on what she thinks is right. She`ll be okay :)
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 25, 2011 at 8:46 pm
    Does anyone NOT know this?
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 8:49 pm
    This makes me want to donate money to them.
  36. Profile photo of Yaezakura
    Yaezakura Female 18-29
    385 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 8:49 pm
    All lies, The LGBTs were trying to force the Salvation Army to hire lesbians and gays.

    Since the Salvation Army is a non-profit organization they don`t have to follow EOE laws, but the NYC government didn`t see things that way, initially.
    You`re flat out wrong, of course, but that`s hardly unusual for you, CrakrJak. NYC had passed an ordinance requiring that ANY organization with city contracts have non-discriminatory hiring practices. Which is how it should be, as taxpayer money should not be spent on any organization with discriminatory policies.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 8:57 pm
    I don`t know if I fully believe this.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 25, 2011 at 9:08 pm
    ...because DWB and IA aren`t political at all -- no sireee!

    I know exactly who the Salvation Army is and what they do. That`s why I give more to them than all other charities combined.

    BTW, what part of "Salvation" do you not understand, Sparky?
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
    2690 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 9:22 pm
    So seeing this piece of paper is supposed to make you think it`s completely true?! Lolol
  40. Profile photo of DixxyRarr
    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 9:27 pm
    OldOllie: Yeah, you`ve got a good point.... it`s very likely that large charities are going to be political.. so if you`re sensitive to certain issues, it`s best to know if they are of the same ideals.


    Or people could just do their own charity work. For example, there`s man who asks for change on my corner, and I got him a pair of gloves for the winter... And more than once I`ve paid for his washing at the laundry mat. Ain`t nothing political about clean clothes!
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
    559 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 9:40 pm
    "...because DWB and IA aren`t political at all -- no sireee!"

    What are you talking about? I worked with DWB (Medecins sans Frontieres) for 4 years. At no time did I ever see a political position come from anyone. The only time any politics came up at all was when there were issues about the delivery of medicines and medical providers. I do agree that AI has strong political leanings, however.
    I`ll admit that I didn`t know that SA had political positions outside of "feed and clothe the poor." Seeing as many of the homeless are LGBT who were not welcome in their own home, I am wondering (sarcastically) if SA keeps these political philosophies to ensure the homeless population remains robust. I`m sad to hear that SA feeds with one hand and slaps with the other, and I will be forced to convert that contribution to a more helpful organization next year.
  42. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36648 posts
    December 25, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Churches are political, so why shouldn`t politics affect them?
    Many a preacher has stood on his tas-excempt pulpit and endorsed candidates or political agendas. From closing licquor stores to denying gays the right to teach in public schools or adopt children.

    I do not want the government to dictate a churches doctrine, but if they accept governement money for programs, they must be willing to accept government regulations, including hiring practices. If not, they don`t have to accept the government contracts.

    In other words, if you are going to be tax-exempt you should not accept tax money.

    In the words of Ursula the Sea Witch, "Life`s full of tough choices...in`t it!"

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 25, 2011 at 10:43 pm
    Gerry: I`m not denying that the Salvation Army is a church, it is, and it`s employees do ministerial work.

    Because of he ministerial clause and the establishment clauses of the constitution, the government can not tell a church who they have to hire.

    The SA also does `general social work`, as many other churches do. Having been homeless and living in a SA `Booth House` for 4 months, I know for a fact that they don`t discriminate in who they choose to provide services, with respect to race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, etc.., but they won`t allow drunks, drug users, violence, weapons, pedos, rapists, or those with communicable diseases in their shelters (for obvious reasons).

    They tell everyone their shelter rules ahead of time, they do background checks, and they randomly test for alcohol/drug use, and can search anyone`s possessions/locker at any time. This all done to keep people living there safe and sober.
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    thejet10388 Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 10:45 pm
    They are horrible. I worked for them not knowing this. But they treated me like horse s**t. They treat managers even worse, they don`t get paid any more than the employees. You don`t get raises, and actually, their handbook says that they are a church. They say that they are an "employer at will" meaning they can fire you for NO REASON. And you can`t do a thing about it. Not even collect unemployment. I was actually happy that they fired me, I couldn`t get out of there fast enough. But I read that they actually were going to go to the White House to try and pass a bill that would allow them to not have to follow anti-discriminatory hiring rules. And that was more than likely aimed at homosexuals. I`ve lost all respect for them. I don`t give two f**ks how much "good" they do. They`re garbage, I am never going to donate to them ever again. Ring your little bell outside Walmart, and every other store, I`ll walk right past you. F**k Salvation Army.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    December 25, 2011 at 11:00 pm
    you can always give to AmVet and know for certain that 100% of your donation is going to an American Vet and their family.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 25, 2011 at 11:04 pm
    Gerry: I think you are forgetting that the people contributing their tax money to the government are not only political, but also religious, themselves.

    Btw, the government has `contracts` with the taxpayers, that it hasn`t been able to honor and the government has discriminated against religious organizations in favor of secular ones.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 25, 2011 at 11:17 pm
    thejet: It`s obvious that you were employed as a bell ringer, which is a temporary position to begin with. You were hired to do a simple temporary part-time job and you`re going to whine about not getting a raise ?

    Let me get out the world`s smallest violin and play it just for you.
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    Fleaman1797 Male 18-29
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    December 25, 2011 at 11:56 pm
    GOOD I SAY! gay people are sexual deviants! /snicker
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    December 26, 2011 at 2:25 am
    @thejet

    "At Will" employment is far more common than you think. In the state of Massachusetts, just about ALL businesses have that in their contracts. And from what I hear, several other states are the same way... Its a way they can get away with hiring for minimum wage and canning them before they get far enough to get raises, then they dont have to pay into unemployment insurance... Its a cheap and sleazy way for them to save money. Only real way to avoid it is to find yourself a union job.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    December 26, 2011 at 4:45 am
    you can always give to AmVet and know for certain that 100% of your donation is going to an American Vet and their family.

    ------------

    Why would ANYONE donate to that charity. Those people chose to go there and do that job and risk their life etc. Not to mention that the vast majority joined because they dropped out of high school and had no life prospects.

    Some americans make me laugh.
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    December 26, 2011 at 5:05 am
    you can always give to AmVet and know for certain that 100% of your donation is going to an American Vet and their family.

    ------------

    Why would ANYONE donate to that charity. Those people chose to go there and do that job and risk their life etc. Not to mention that the vast majority joined because they dropped out of high school and had no life prospects.


    LOL...this isn`t the 50s or 60s. Most military personnel have college degrees now or attend college during their time in.

    Ignorant Americans like yourself make me laugh
  52. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 26, 2011 at 5:06 am
    tedgp: "Not to mention that the vast majority joined because they dropped out of high school and had no life prospects."

    The military doesn`t take high school drop outs, you have to have a diploma or GED to join the American military. Link

    Now crawl back to your hole in shame.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 26, 2011 at 5:08 am
    shamrock: tedgp is European, according to his profile. Know your troll before you chastise them.
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    button_guy Male 18-29
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    December 26, 2011 at 6:17 am
    tedgp, they donate to help others who need it. Just like any other charity. Go die in a corner.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    December 26, 2011 at 6:23 am
    I actually administer a small food bank, two days a week, as a side job. One thing I can tell you is, most of the food banks and donation centers are crooked. They`re like the mafia, fighting over donation spots, bad mouthing each other in the press and doing what ever they can to convince you to give your money to them instead of someone else.

    Food donations piss me off the most. The bastards will pick through, take out all the good stuff and send along canned beans, pasta and tuna. All the good stuff that folks donate usually goes home with the food banks workers.

    Don`t get me wrong. There are good ones out there. I run mine legitimately. But I would hazard a guess that the number of organizations out there that you would refuse to donate to if you were aware of inside operations and policies, is in the majority.
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    keith1 Male 50-59
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    December 26, 2011 at 8:28 am
    Actually while they don`t promote homosexuality, neither do they discriminate against it. The information is available on their web site:
    position statements
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 26, 2011 at 10:20 am
    Yeah I think the message here is clear... stay away from the Salvation Army... if some of you very slow people didn`t realize that already.

    Come on! "Salvation" army? How obvious does it have to be?

    If you`re looking to unload some dough, it might as well be doctors without borders. Anything else and you want to be sure to do the research first.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    December 26, 2011 at 11:52 am
    meh...
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    SapphireHart Female 18-29
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    December 26, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    I don`t know about your Salvatian Army U.S of A and Canada but our one collects clothes and is full of old people...
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    CoffeeDiiva Female 40-49
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    December 26, 2011 at 6:29 pm
    The salvation army also gives out food donations, food vouchers, clothing and help kids get what is on their xmas list for families who need help
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    lordtyusa Male 30-39
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    December 26, 2011 at 6:50 pm
    Shhh keith, you`re poking holes in the iab agenda. ;-)
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    December 26, 2011 at 7:09 pm
    keith1 seriously? haha
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    December 26, 2011 at 11:55 pm
    agree with gerry. but would go one step further. i think the tax exemption on all churches should be revoked. one percent (or more) tax on all of their money would only be fair. especially when you think of how much free money large organizations like the salvation army or the mega-churches rake in every fiscal year.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2011 at 12:44 am
    slut_etta: Churches don`t get to vote or get representation, taxing them would be illegal, Unless you would allow churches representation in the congress and I sincerely doubt you would want that.
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2011 at 1:05 am
    Pfft, like churches don`t already have more than enough influence. Need I remind you it was largely money from the Mormon church that paid for the bold-faced lies that got Prop 8 passed?

    It should be quite simple. Either churches remain quiet on all political issues, or they are taxed.
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    Mister_C Male 18-29
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    December 27, 2011 at 1:49 am
    This just makes me sad. Both the poster details, and some of the comments here.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    December 27, 2011 at 4:20 am
    slut_etta: Churches don`t get to vote or get representation, taxing them would be illegal, Unless you would allow churches representation in the congress and I sincerely doubt you would want that.
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    Most of the decisions in congress for the last 200 or so years have been made on religious advice or had to adhere to religious values.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    December 27, 2011 at 4:37 am
    @crakrjak
    don`t be silly. churches have an ENORMOUS amount of influence in voting. you obviously don`t live in the bible belt.
  69. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2011 at 6:23 am
    slut_etta: Regardless of the influence churches may have on their congregations, they don`t get congressional representation. A lot of organizations and companies have `influence`, that`s not the same as representation.

    If you demand that churches remain quiet on all political issues, then so must PETA, ACLU, SPLC, ACORN, Media Matters, AFSCME, Moveon.org, SEIU, and the like. I seriously doubt you would allow them to be silenced as well.

    You can`t discriminate which non-profits get a voice and who doesn`t. In fact the whole concept of taxing churches is unconstitutional anyways, so your just flapping your lips.
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    CrakrJak, I`ve read the entire constitution. Nothing in it makes any mention of the taxation of churches. In fact, the only time religion is mentioned at all is the 1st amendment, and that certainly does not mention taxes.

    And let`s be honest, here. Most churches are for-profit institutions. The vast majority of churches do no charity work whatsoever. No, "existing" does not count as charity for a church. And even the churches that do do charity work, the charity does not equal anywhere near the amount of money they take in. And when you consider that in many churches, tithing is enforced with possible expulsion, you can`t even consider the money given to be donations.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2011 at 1:36 pm
    Don`t believe it. More woe is us, we`re gay and everybody hates us crap. Personally, I don`t want a gay serving me food.How do I know, If he washes his hands after he handles his feces encrusted joint while he urinates? That`s disgusting.
  72. Profile photo of Yaezakura
    Yaezakura Female 18-29
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    December 27, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    Don`t believe it. More woe is us, we`re gay and everybody hates us crap. Personally, I don`t want a gay serving me food.How do I know, If he washes his hands after he handles his feces encrusted joint while he urinates? That`s disgusting.
    The same way you know if your straight server has done the same. Plenty of straight people enjoy anal sex. Not all gay men practice it, for that matter. And gay people are no less likely to practice basic hygiene than straight people are.
  73. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    December 27, 2011 at 8:14 pm
    Yaezakura: You need to read up on the establishment clause and look up Walz vs. Tax Commission of the City of New York. In that decision the Supreme Court said, "the power to tax involves the power to destroy.", which would give the state power to destroy disfavored churches and favor others. That would clearly violate the separation of church and state.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36648 posts
    December 27, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    @ CrakrJ - The Salvation Army is acting not as a church but as a Contractor. They accept NYCs money to perform contracted work... open a soup kitchen. They must follow the same policies any other contractor has to follow... Fair Employment Practices.

    They don`t have to put homo`s in their church accounting office, but they in their Secular Work they must obay Secular Law.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    December 28, 2011 at 7:13 am
    Gerry: The SA is acting as a church providing charitable services, where the money comes from to do so is irrelevant because they are a NPO, therefore the government trying to tell the SA that they follow EEO guidelines is illegal, for all the reasons I`ve already stated below.
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    pompousass7 Male 40-49
    259 posts
    December 28, 2011 at 11:54 am
    crap..i gave them 200 this christmas.....should have been 500
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    December 28, 2011 at 1:04 pm
    @robosnitz

    You really have issues.
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    Yaezakura Female 18-29
    385 posts
    December 28, 2011 at 5:07 pm
    CrakrJak, what part of "contract" don`t you understand? Contracts have stipulations. One of the new stipulations the NYC government voted on was for any organization with a city contract to have non-discriminatory policies.

    So, the SA had two options--agree to the new contract terms, or lose the contract and associated funding. Which they are still in danger of losing, mind you--it`s up to every mayor whether they enforce that city ordinance or not according to the courts. The SA will have no redress when a less bigoted mayor takes office.
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    VictoryRider Male 40-49
    1461 posts
    February 17, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    I prefer Goodwill myself.

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