9/11: A New Conspiracy Theory

Submitted by: eovogt 5 years ago in

Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.
There are 82 comments:
Male 621
You can "speak of" videos all day long, but as my source, which included Freedom of Information Act documents on the videos collected by the FBI, showed: there are NO OTHER VIDEOS that show anything impacting the Pentagon beyond the one that was released.

I did some digging and I can find no reputable source that gives any credit to the idea that there are any other videos of anything hitting the Pentagon on 9/11 that the FBI is keeping "sealed".

Obviously it`s hard to prove a negative, so I ask: where is the evidence for your claim?

And I also ask again, if Flight 77 didn`t hit the Pentagon on 9/11, where did it and its passengers go? From my experience, this last question is one that 9/11 conspiracy nuts either brush off, hoping people forget, or open a huge can of crazy attempting to explain.
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Male 37,826
I was speaking of (typing of?) the minimum of 2 videos which would clearly show what hit the Pentagon, and why the FBI has sealed them.

IF: there`s a passenger aircraft just as the Official Story says, then presto! No more controversy! So why hold back proof? To keep people discussing a conspiracy that doesn`t exist?
IF: there`s NO aircraft, or there`s a Predator Drone (with a bomb in it`s belly) then Viola! We crazy people are right and the FBI is covering up the facts.

I meantion Zapruder because people forget the lies, the sealing of evidence from day 1, the refusal to show the whole film to the public. That`s `precident` of the FBI not working for the people, but as a tool of government actions against the people. <<this should come as no surprise, eh? They`re a spy agency, duh! It`s the extent of their evil that`s shocking.
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Male 10,855
I was told Rather lied and theFBI kept the Zapruder film, I think I missed the implication.
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Male 37,826
[quote]You tell me.[/quote]
I just did. (By implication, eh?)
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Male 526
of the different things on this video, the one that i agree with is the shooting part.

i just never understood that we had to search for one guy that took so many years. just to shoot him dead and take his computer?

really?

wouldn`t it make more sense if it`s locked up somewhere next to saddam and hitler in that ward that no one knows about? sure, they dumped the body in the ocean like the mafia, that`s really hard to believe. makes no sense at all.

i can understand the flight patterns, we were more naive then. probably as much now, but they are more ready to kill.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Sooo, what does keeping them secret do?[/quote]

You tell me.
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Male 37,826
Yes @Cajun, 31 frames publicly before Nov. 1964, then a limited release of the important frames by the Warren Com.
Individual frames do not show the movement of JFK`s head, Gov Connelly or the times between bullets, eh? Someone with access to the WC`s release would need to string them together into a film.
AND Rather made his statement 3 days after the shooting, at which time perhaps 1 frame had been made public, exactly like I said.

Security footage from the gas station and the hotel in question offer open, clear views of the Pentagon and it`s lawn. Even if they show nothing, releasing the films would answer many questions, right? If the aircraft were in even ONE frame of footage, that would solve the issue.

Sooo, what does keeping them secret do?
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Male 37,826
And the editor of Life, and those few others who saw the film (outside of the FBI & CIA), said nothing for 5 years, exactly like I said.
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Male 10,855
@5Cats

Read again 5Cats the frames were published years before. AND the editor of Life saw the film so HE would`ve known Rather was lying.
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Male 621
5Cats: "I did mention that TWO videos clearly showing what hit the Pentagon exist, and have never been viewed by the public, right?"

You`re merely supporting my point. You are claiming the existence of videos, and have no idea what is on those videos. That does NOT mean that the videos support your claims. Again "I don`t know, therefore I DO know" is not a reasonable argument.

Furthermore, those videos DON`T EXIST. The FBI collected 85 videos hoping to catch a shot of the incident, and ONLY ONE showed the impact into the Pentagon (source).

Seriously, there were thousands of witnesses that saw Flight 77 flying towards and/or into the Pentagon, and nobody reporting seeing it fly away. If it didn`t hit the Pentagon, where the heck did it go?
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Male 37,826
First public showing: Feb 13, 1969, from YOUR link @Cajun.
MY case is where? Rock solid you say? Well thank you!
Dan Rather: Nov 25, 1963
Apologies will be accepted. You`ve been polite about our disagreement, I hope I have been too.

Bonus: Dan Rather says the second shot hit Gov. Connely! But it didn`t, it hit the car! The FBI must have known THAT by then, yet here`s Rather, their `spokesman` making grave factual errors galore! (commentors say it was the CIA, idk, but it stinks!)
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Male 10,855
So if you`re suggesting had >never seen< the footage, your case is out the window at this point.
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Male 10,855
[quote">That seems normal to you?[/quote">

It`s not unheard of. Read about the alleged capture of John Wilkes Boothe.

[quote">A reported LIES about the MOST IMPORTANT EVENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY and does so for YEARS and NO ONE NOTICES?[/quote">

Well if, like you said, the FBI didn`t release any copies, who would?

Problem with this notion is that the film was already seen publicly while the FBI had their hands on the original copy.
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Male 37,826
By digit you mean finger? idk, I thought you were talking data.
The origional would be completely unchanged by making a copy, I don`t see your point. They didn`t give copies away, they showed it in a secured room at FBI HQ, eh?

Rather, and the rest of them, made the mistake, it was repeated as truth for YEARS and the FBI did nothing to correct it? That seems normal to you?
A reported LIES about the MOST IMPORTANT EVENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY and does so for YEARS and NO ONE NOTICES?

How "convenient" that the head movement seems to back the Lone Gunman theory, pure coincidence I`m sure!
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Male 10,855
Yeah fu<k you too incubus.
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Male 977
Cajun... 5cats... I`m calling you guys out. Trolls.
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Male 10,855
[quote] In 1964 they had digital movies?[/quote]

Are you deliberately misreading what I wrote to be funny?

[quote] Any one of them could knock out 10 copies of the very short Zapruder film in an afternoon. Perfect copies, no harm to the film.[/quote]

Those copies wouldn`t be perfect actually there would a small but significant loss in quality.

[quote]I`m NOT saying it`s `proof` of a second sniper, (the Magic Bullet does that!) BUT it proves he lied.[/quote]

So what`s the big deal? One reporter LIED! How does that say someone else other than Lee Harvey Oswald was involved? What is the point of this? What is one reporter LYING suppose to prove?
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Male 37,826
@davymid: when have I ever said it was Bush? Or even Clinton? You`re projecting your ideas onto me, it reflects badly on you.
I clearly said that 19+ Muslim guys did it, more if you count their AQ handlers, eh?

I have my own theory on 9/11 which takes a lot of typing to explain, m-kay?

@Cajun: In 1964 they had digital movies? lolz! Hard to copy? wtf? There were photography labs everywhere back then! Any one of them could knock out 10 copies of the very short Zapruder film in an afternoon. Perfect copies, no harm to the film.

So the FBI `covered up Rather`s bad reporting` on THE MOST important issue facing America since WW2? Well that makes sense! And also would be a conspiracy in and of itself...

Point of FACT: even if the film were reversed, the head would still move backwards. I`m NOT saying it`s `proof` of a second sniper, (the Magic Bullet does that!) BUT it proves he lied.
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Male 10,855
@5Cats

Motion pictures back then weren`t very durable or easy to copy like they are today. One stray digit and BAM there goes a lot of your frames. They were most likely afraid of the risk of their BEST EVIDENCE being degraded, lost, or destroyed. So I go for your former assessment that it was bad reporting and a subsequent cover up of said bad reporting. Afterall mistakes by the government are not unheard of.
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Male 70
This video is bull from start to finish, but at least it`s amusing bull.
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Male 12,138
F*ck me, Herman Cain couldn`t even keep one broad he apparently screwed for 13 years silent. Why would anyone with an ounce of sanity believe that the Bush Administration, with it`s many followers, would keep schtum about a mass attack on America?

Occam`s Razor indeed. I offer THIS LINK to illustrate how f*cking ridiculous this entire bullwank notion is.

Crakr, I think the teachings of the parable here is, be careful who you side yourself with.
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Male 12,138
Explanation 1: Religious fundamentalists, who had aready stated their intentions to do so, carried out a terrorist attack. We know who they were, we know how they did it. Buildings were brought down under known means, including Building 7, as has been admonished by numerous (that`s *numerous*) building engineers who we hope know what they`re talking about.

Explanation 2: The Bush Administration, incuding hundreds, if not thousands of people "in the know" orchestrated the entire thing. Without anyone noticing, or whistleblowing, just to set up a predetermined war in the Middle East for oil or somesuch.
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Male 12,138
And in other breaking news, I`m standing directly with Crackrjak. The "Conspiracy Theory" that the Bush Administration orchestrated 9-11 is utter and outright bullcum.

Bush, could barely orchestrate a garden party, never mind the greatest ever terrorist attack on American soil, without anyone ever knowing about it.

Delighted that 5Cats already mentioned "Occam`s Razor".

For those not aquainted with the idea, Occam`s Razor is a scientific ideal which (basically) states that the simplest explanation for any phenomenon is the most likely.

So, scenario: There is a massive attack on the US, using airplanes as missiles, on the very symbols of America, the west, and its values.
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Male 37,826
No worries @Crakr! You catch enough heat already.

@Cajun: Dan Rather was reporting to the US Public on the contents of the Zapruder film at the request of the FBI! They didn`t want to release the film, but demands were hot & heavy so they found a way out: let a few journalists see it, they can tell the Public about it and Presto! The FBI can keep it under wraps! If he`d "made a mistake" like that, don`t you think the FBI just MIGHT have mentioned something?
Rather claimed later that the film was shown that way, that left & right were reversed (or some such rot).

SO: either the FBI "made a boo boo" setting up the film, AND failed to notice that Rather, their `spokesperson` got it bass-ackwards. AND in the ensuing years until the film was made public, didn`t bother to correct the hundreds of references to this error...
OR Rather did what he was told and lied for the FBI.
Apply Occam`s Razor plz.
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Male 17,512
This is one time I will not side with 5Cats, Sorry bud.
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Male 10,855
[quote]My point is that Rather lied about it[/quote]

Wait WHAT? Bad journalism = govt conspiracy? Blarg?
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Male 4,902
Well there is the puppy`s and apple pie so f*ck it.
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Male 37,826

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Male 37,826
@duffytoler: MOOT! My point is that Rather lied about it, OR the FBI showed him faked film. Take your choice either one = Gov`t conspiracy to lie to the public.

@Cajun: Ah the "wreckage"! We can link Evidence For Or Against until the cows come home.
The Official Story is that the aircraft hit the ground, causing it`s wings to fold inwards. How else did two Six-Ton engines not even make a scracth on the building?
& etc.

I don`t expect to convince anyone here, just stating my observations.
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Male 115
We all know that star spangled nation houses the world`s #1 terrorist regime. It`s a shame the people there call it "our government"
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Male 10,855
Oh BTW 5Cats did you know those images in that funny-conspiracy link of yours show very little detail?

Talk about taking images out of context.
<braingasm>
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Male 10,855
[quote">All those "eyewitnesses" saying the plane hit the ground, but there`s ZERO damage? That`s like me saying "criminals shot 50 bullets into my house!"[/quote">

It may APPEAR that it hit the ground it does not mean it actually TOUCHED the ground, so that`s a bad analogy. We do know that the plane actually tore down some street lights JUST before it hit the pentagon.

A interesting article which elaborates 5 ways your brain messes with your head on a daily basis.
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Male 5,194
[quote]IN FACT JFK`s head moves back & to the left. [/quote]
Oh cripes, not THIS one again. Look, there`s a tube vid where Penn and Teller shoot a pumpkin. Go watch it and learn something.
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Female 2,764
When I`m a frail old 90 year old, there will be an uproar about what really happened and all you other 90 year olds will be doing a face palm along with me...
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Male 37,826
UFOs, hippies, the Civil Rights Movement, & tons of others have been subject to government agents infiltrating their group with the specific goals of:
a)gathering intelligence
b)discrediting the group

Canada does this too!
The Litton Bombing by a branch of the FLQ? The guy who found the TNT and built the bomb was an RCMP spy.
The Aryan Nations of Alberta? Their #2 man was a CSIS spy.
The list goes on and on, and that`s just Canada.

So it is right and proper for the gov`t to keep tabs on possible extremist groups, no problem there.
It is not OK, in my opinion, for them to actively attack these groups, like they did to MLK, OR to give them weapons and such, like Operation Fast & Furious.
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Male 37,826
[quote]What the hell is that supposed to mean?[/quote]
*sigh*
Dan Rather was one of the journalists who was allowed to see the Zapruder film years before it was released to the public. He`s a journalist. He reported ON TV that Kennedy`s head moved "foreward, to the right" in the Zapruder film.
IN FACT JFK`s head moves back & to the left.
So why did Rather lie about it? idk, but there it is.

Circumstantial? All those "eyewitnesses" saying the plane hit the ground, but there`s ZERO damage? That`s like me saying "criminals shot 50 bullets into my house!" but there`s zero bullet holes, m-kay?

@Angilion: people critcize the "truthers" because so many of them have "crazy theories". Therefor in people`s minds they ALL must be crazy, as you yourself seem to believe.
The US gov`t has been doing CoIntel for some 50+ years now. MLK was a victem of their attacks, ffs!
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Male 12,365
[quote]To all you official story supporters - the government has never lied about anything before this right?[/quote]

YES! And everyone who has lied to cover up stuff that will embarrass them is a SERIAL KILLER MASS MURDERER!

I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!

You people are idiots devoid of a sense of proportion.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Have you heard of CoIntelPro? They spread FAKE stories to discredit legitimate questions about the gov`t, m-kay?[/quote]

So let me get this straight:

When conspiracy "theories" are proven to be ludicrous bull, that "proves" that the conspiracy really happened because the bull is disinformation spread by the conspirators and why would they do that if the story isn`t true?

Even all the evidence against conspiracy theories is actually proof that they`re true! But only for the ones a person using this argument believes in. The rest are just wrong.

Of course, there`s always the simpler explanation of all the bull in conspiracy "theories" just being bull. But hey, where`s the faith in that?

And yes, I`m using the word "faith" deliberately.
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Male 2,422
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Male 2,422
The government lies all the time. It usually sucks at it. Remember Iran-Contra, the Pentagon Papers, or what was it-oh yeah wikileaks (which one would think would have a few memos about coordinating this thing)? Somehow the government doesn`t seen to have gotten any better at conspiracy 101. Besides, saying that a faction of government (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz) used 9/11 to push their neo-con agenda (which they certainly did) is not the same as saying they caused it in the first place. Oh and one other thing: WMDs. Do you seriously think that a government that would kill 3,000 of its own citizens to get us into a war would balk at planting WMDs in Iraq to keep us in it? Remember Operation Northwoods? A covert plan to use domestic terrorism to give us a reason to overthrow Castro. What`s that? The operation never happened you say? At the height of America`s paranoia in the CW? If we didn`t use it to take out Cuba which was an existential threat back then, why use it for Iraq?
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Male 10,855
[quote]Is Kennedy`s head going `foreward, to the right`???[/quote]

What the hell is that supposed to mean? That`s circumstantial evidence at best. Sorry 5Cats your conspiracy/joke link provides CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence at best.
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Male 26
9/11 was Bush`s Reichstag fire, plain and simple. Hitler went on to wage war on Jews, Bush on Muslim`s. The 9/11 story is wrought with deceit and falsehoods. My logical brain simply can`t accommodate what it`s being told. I would love nothing more than to believe the bad guys lost and the good guys won ... But don`t know, at this point who is who.
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Male 37,826
In the video that`s Dan Rather saying "in the video, his head could be seen moving violently foreward..."

The Zapruder film was held as top secret too, it was shown to a select group of journalists who then reported on it. LOOK at the Zapruder film! Is Kennedy`s head going `foreward, to the right`???
Jim Garrison managed to un-secret the film, which opened up a big can of worms. Dan Rather ended his career by lieing about Prez Bush, so once a whore, always a whore, eh?
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Male 37,826
[quote]the evidence that might support our claims IS HELD AS TOP SECRET[/quote]
fify @HiEv!
I did mention that TWO videos clearly showing what hit the Pentagon exist, and have never been viewed by the public, right? Even the grainy `leaked` one, which was `leaked twice` has the actual aircraft edited out, you know this, right?
Apply the Sherlock Method and what`s left? Conspiracy. idk by whom exactly, but the Official Story stinks.

Exactly @tseimens! You looked at my links below, eh?
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Male 1,397
Ooh, the cointel lot are rife here!
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Male 514
To all you official story supporters - the government has never lied about anything before this right?
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Male 621
And did they show in this video one single credible bit of evidence that there really was any kind of conspiracy beyond what is in the official reports? Answer: No!

This is the old "the evidence that might support our claims doesn`t exist, and that`s proof of a conspiracy" argument. Yes, it`s a conspiracy because you can`t prove it`s a conspiracy.

Ugh.

It`s amusing that they end this jokingly saying "Ignorance is Strength", when the backbone of their argument is how much they don`t know!

The rest is all "anomaly hunting", where they look for something they think is odd or unlikely, and then BOOM, somehow that "anomaly" is further evidence for their unlikely explanation of the facts (because there are no odd coincidences in real life ;-) ).

Here is everything you ever need to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theories in under 5 words: It`s implausible ignorant nonsense.
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Male 2,345
the bottom line is that if you believe the official explanation from the gov you certainly are an idiot and i can assure you that you have not looked at any of the evidence proving something other than what they said happened actually happened.
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Male 37,826
@Angilion, take a look at this: The Pentagon Grass and tell me again about things being "impossible".
Yes, 20+ persons of Muslim origin carried out 9/11.
Yes, the idea of hitting the Towers with an aircraft was even on a TV show! It wasn`t that hard to conceive, unlike what Bush & Cheney said. (See? I can criticize Bush when he deserves it!)
Yes, demolitions were NOT required to bring the Towers down. Have you heard of CoIntelPro? They spread FAKE stories to discredit legitimate questions about the gov`t, m-kay?

As for "carefully placed explosives" if you use LOTS of TNT, it doesn`t need to be `carefully placed` (I`m talking building 7 here, not the Towers).

And the Pentagon? There are TWO more videos which clearly show what happened there. Both were siezed and classified. They`ve never been seen by the publ
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Male 2,422
Angilion droppin` the logic like a boss.

Conversations with History: Al-Qaeda and the road to 9/11

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Male 12,365
[quote]True.. If you are not asking questions, you`ve got to be missing some brain cells, or you`re in a deep sleep[/quote]

Which is why you shouldn`t be giving any credibility to the ludicrous babble that`s overly dignified with the label "conspiracy theories". Ask questions about that too. Questions like "why did the so-called controlled demolition not work anything like a controlled demolition?" and "how did they invisibly weaken the structure (a controlled demolition of a large building requires the structure to be weakened beforehand) before teleporting in the invisible explosives? (a lot of carefully positioned explosive needs to be laid for a controlled demolition and nobody saw anything)."
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Male 12,365
[quote]If nothing else, conspiracy theorys encourage us to question the powers that be, which is massively important.[/quote]

But they do so by encouraging mindless unquestioning belief in anything said by people who want to be authorities, even if it is clearly impossible. That`s much worse than not questioning the government. People question the government anyway, unless it`s a brutally oppressive one with a very effective secret police.
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Male 12,365
[quote]But there`s no way you would accept the explanation that several afghani guys did it and the FBI, CIA and a number of other agencies I don`t even know about couldn`t stop them.[/quote]

Why not? It wasn`t a complicated plan. It didn`t require secret knowledge, expensive equipment or staggering skill. It even appeared as a plot line in books for years before the attack.

It`s certainly a lot more plausible than the alien technology required for the conspiracy bollocks. Which isn`t a theory in any sense of the word, not even the casual meaning of "a guess".
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Male 363
Love your country but don`t trust your government.
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Male 17,512
Oh Geesh, Not this sh|t again, Please.

:facepalm:
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Male 10,855
You know what you truthers if you HAPPEN to know of something rather sinister, be like THIS guy:

Who:
-Wages an invisible war against an enemy only HE knows can kill all life in the galaxy.
-Uses official channels only if he really needs it.
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Male 249
True.. If you are not asking questions, you`ve got to be missing some brain cells, or you`re in a deep sleep
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Male 164
seems like
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Female 1,386
Even if true, the only people that still care enough about 9/11 to be rattled by the idea, are the same people who go to church every Sunday, never question anything, and don`t want to hear about anything that shatters their tiny bubble-wold anyway (and so would never watch this sort of video).

Exercise in futility.

Also Hipster kitty liked conspiracy theories better back when they were still underground and being supported by Mr.Crazy Charlie Sheen.
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Male 37,826
Oh poo! The long file-names make the charecter count miss by 170! lolz!

It was a `false falg" operation which the US gov`t now admits was fake.

I got more, if y`all want them.

Or Go Here! Whatreallyhappened is a cool site.
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Male 37,826
Remember The Maine!
Oh wait, it was an accident. Yet the USA used it as an excuse to delair war on Spain and invade the Phillipines...
Remember The Lusitania!
Oh wait, it was loaded with illegal munitions and was a valid wartime target. The Brits and Yanks lied about it for 80 years...
Remember Pearl Harbour!
Oh wait, they knew it was comming, prepared for it and were not in the least `surprised`...
Avenge The Gulf Of Tonkin!<
Male 4


Raises some interesting points even after a decade, especially when you consider the ending and what the Americans ended up doing when they found bin Laden. The truth is that we will never really know and if we did suddenly find out for certain that it was a conspiracy it won`t bring back a single person who lost their lives that day or in the 10 years of war since 2001.
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Male 1,268
I prefer South Park`s explanation of these events.
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Male 7,123
Snoopy,

They were Saudis, mostly.
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Female 4,359
CLASSIC!
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Male 157
yep
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Male 7,775
Don`t worry, world, all this will be put right in 2012.
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Male 721
oh get over it.
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Male 675
I totally get the "I don`t believe the my government would do that!" part. Frankly if I were an US citizen, probably I would share that opinion too. But there`s no way you would accept the explanation that several afghani guys did it and the FBI, CIA and a number of other agencies I don`t even know about couldn`t stop them.
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Male 1,582
That was amazing XD
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Male 1,471
There was a lot of weirdness surrounding the whole thing for sure.. I`m not prepared to go as far as to say that bush and cheney did it though.. I`m more on par with Jessy Ventura, i want a better explanation than "it`s classified"..
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Male 39
Wow, I would of never thought any government would openly lie to their constituents
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Male 675
Jesus, you ARE fast
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Male 38,501

Oh, I get it. The old "Reverse psychology" routine!
Clever!

Everyone knows those were just holographic planes and that the WTC is still there under a cloak of invisability. It`s where they house the alien bodies, Hitler`s clone, the time machine, and all the gold they took from Fort Knox.
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Male 37,826
Should I offer This Funny Stuff as a seperate posting?
It`s old, but still true!
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Male 1,231
The thing is though, even if a conspiracy theory is 100% factually incorrect, people are still being encouraged day in, day out not to question the news or the government. If nothing else, conspiracy theorys encourage us to question the powers that be, which is massively important.
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Male 675
Anti-conspiracy theory whiners commencing counter-attack in 3...2..1
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Male 1,440
I tend to avoid posts about (Police, 9/11, gay marriage [ anti or pro) and several other topics on IMB just because they were set-up to get people to flame. In the U.S there is free speech for everyone (sadly) even for cra*k-smoking people like 9/11 conspiracy theorists, the WBC and Every group listed here.
there are conspiracy theorists that, to this day say the Holocaust didn`t happen, despite evidence saying it did. Conspiracy Theorists ignore any facts that go against what they preach, just like religion.
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Male 447
Yeah, and we didn`t even land on the moon! Bigfoot told me when I was chillin with the loch ness monster.
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Male 550
that was beautiful
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Male 37,826
0:30 Factual Error: They did NOT "penetrate airspace" they hijacked aircraft. Apples & oranges, this begins badly...
0:45 Yes, they drank booze the night before, since the next day they`d go directly to heaven.
1:30 Ooo! Starting to get better!
3:30 Now we`re talking!
4:00 100% true!

Well, I was worried but this is terrific!
Thanks @eovogt! (My fellow Canadian!)
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Male 197
Link: 9/11: A New Conspiracy Theory [Rate Link] - Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.
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