Should Muslims Be In The American Military?

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago in

Tennessee State Rep. Rick Womick calls for the military purging of all Muslim Americans. Agree or Disagree I-A-B?
There are 128 comments:
Male 266
The religion of Islam is indeed a threat to the western, secular world, but luckily, most muslims are just like most christians: too smart to actually buy their whole holy book. and just believe because of childhood indoctrination. Chances are they never read the nastier parts of the quran, just like sunday school doesn`t teach the uglier parts of the bible.
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Male 15,182
I agree with GothPirate and GhettoNinja.

Christians should serve but only in front line positions of limited authority.
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Male 886
I served with Muslims in the USMC. I would give my life for many of them and they would lay theirs down for many of us.

Semper Fi means Always Faithful, not only christians.
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Male 886
How about we just make a worldwide ban on giving the religous weapons?

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Male 296
"Jim Jones, David Koresh and Meir Kahane do not typify Christianity and Judaism in the eyes of the civilized West, but those same eyes are prone to see Osama bin Laden and Mullah Muhammad Omar as typifying Islam,"

~Richard Bulliet
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Male 10,855
[quote]than in any majority muslim nation[/quote]

Except for:

Albania
Indonesia
Kosovo
Turkey
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Male 17,512
GothPirate: [quote]...Christians who are equally as insane and malicious as Muslims...[/quote]

You are clearly deranged if you believe that bullcrap. There is more religious freedom in America, a majority Christian nation, than in any majority muslim nation, and that includes tolerance for atheists.
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Female 121
Anyone who agrees with this idiot needs to gtfo my country. If we allow Christians who are equally as insane and malicious as Muslims (which you can take to be quite so, or not at all, the sentiment is the same), we should allow the rest of the stupid beliefs people carry.
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Male 10,855
[quote] None of those people you put forth were motivated by their religion to commit acts of terrorism against their fellow soldiers.[/quote]

They`re all criminals nonetheless, and deserve just as much attention as the next.
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Male 45
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Male 17,512
Cajun: None of those people you put forth were motivated by their religion to commit acts of terrorism against their fellow soldiers.
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Male 573
*sigh* another crazy radical republican far out of touch with reality. Join the crowd.
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Male 766
where do I click the AGREE button? Stupid web master . . .
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Male 684
he presents a logical argument, I wanted to disagree with him, and on some level i do, but the bottom line is that religious fundamentalists of any religion or denomination should not be allowed in the military as they serve their beliefs before their nation. I am tolerant of tolerant people no matter what their beliefs, but many religious folk believe they know how i should live...I disagree.
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Male 10,855
Seriously we`re the midst of a moral panic over 3 incidents caused by Muslim soldiers?

What about Timothy McVeigh, Thomas Campbell and Co, and William Millay?
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Male 10,855
Yep

Because they all had there own individual motivations for commiting said acts.
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Male 17,512
Cajun: I`m guessing you forgot about the Beltway Sniper as well. John Allen Muhammad was in the Army once too, during his service in the Persian Gulf, he was suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent with 16 of his fellow soldiers.

I`m guessing you`ll say that too was an isolated incident, right ?
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Male 10,855
@Crakr

So a shooting and then an attempted bombing a year later? That seems pretty isolated to me.
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Male 694
most muslims don`t take everything in their holy book literally. they pick and choose, just like any other religion. i asked a muslim friend of mine what he is saying when he prays. he said he prays for the wellbeing of everyone on earth past and present.
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Male 17,512
I-IS-BORED: Satanists are a very different, they don`t worship another God, they actively worship the devil.

Equating satanists with those that worship other deities is wrong and the bible explains the difference quite well, if you`d bother to research it.
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Male 17,512
Cajun: It wasn`t isolated, After Maj. Hasan went on his rampage AWOL Pvt. Abdo plotted to set off a bomb at the same base. Thankfully, Abdo was caught before his plan was enacted.
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Male 3,908
That`s ridiculous. The majority of Muslims are peaceful and unfairly labeled as Terrorists. Like the saying goes, "One bad apple spoils the whole bunch"
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Male 3,310
We can only hope and pray those Muslims don`t take their book too seriously or literally and are just semi-religious, like the Christians in this country.
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Male 2,419
"The `witches` Exodus talks about are something altogether different, we would liken them to satanists today"

And a satanist is somebody who worships the devil, a false god, spreading false teachings etc etc.
AKA any god that isn`t yours.

That only helps the point of the bible being full of this poo more than if it literally meant `witch` or `mythical magical person`.
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Male 1,045
Wow, so much stupidity in one post( and it`s comments).
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Male 10,855
@CrakrJak

That was an isolated incident. So, why is allowing Muslims to serve in the armed forces an issue?
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Male 770
dis guy is a bozo
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Male 39,547

[quote]"Killing is killing. There`s no moral justification for killing." [/quote]
Would you like a glass of water? Something to occupy your mind?

@ RobSwindal - Exodus 22:18 "Suffer not a witch to live" is a mistranslation.
The original hebrew word meaning "poisoner" was mistaken for "witch".
I`m not a witch, nor a poisoner. Just throwing that out there.
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Male 239
"Killing is killing. There`s no moral justification for killing."

Wow. There`s no moral justification for sweeping generalisations.
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Male 3,894
What the f*ck do you mean "agree or disagree"? Are you insane? Are we really going to institutionalize more religious intolerance? F*ck you, f*ck him, f*ck this country.
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Male 65
You could also look up all the murders committed on US soil by soldiers. Also the Mahmudiyah killings.
Mahumidyah Killings

Killing is killing. There`s no moral justification for killing.
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Male 17,512
Cajun: Look up `Fort Hood attack` on Google, you`ll see why.
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Male 17,512
LazyMe: Because then they would scream `discrimination`. My one time bacon test would do the same without having to change the current MREs.

Although I have to say, most troops would love to have some bacon in their MREs.
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Male 10,855
Why is this even an issue?
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Male 689
is freedom of religion still part of the US? whats next, putting them all in determent camps and then giving them gas showers. reminds me of someone else we didnt like.
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Male 510
I have had my fair share of MREs, but I don`t remember ever having any with pork products in them.
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Male 510
Everything he said about the Quran is true according to what I`ve learned myself, but that is only if you take everything literally. That is a very big IF. The vast majority of Muslims don`t follow everything word for word that is in the Quran. The vast majority of Christians don`t follow everything that is in the bible word for word either.

Forcing Muslims out of the military would be taking things way too far. There`s nothing much that can be done, but NCO and officers should be mindful of the Muslims in their platoons.
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Male 10,440
Seriously, tell me what`s wrong with changing rations to include more bacon?
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Male 10,440
Change military rations to include large amounts of bacon. Every morning with eggs.

Problem f*cking solved.
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Male 17,512
madest: Dippy hippies, like yourself, are `unAmerican` and feel like they have to slander everyone else just to seem more normal.
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Male 7,378
Rednecks are just so unAmerican.
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Male 17,512
RobSwindol: Back when Exodus was written, Moses had no clue about what we would call a `Wiccan` today. The `witches` Exodus talks about are something altogether different, we would liken them to satanists today.

And if you are going to mention the `Salem Witch Trials` be assured that no actual `wiccans` were killed, only those falsely accused of being in league with satan. Just thought you should know.
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Male 17,512
Baal: I wasn`t talking about a test that would "ensure they will not hesitate to abandon their faith, under fire". I`m not asking that everyone "abandon their faith", the test is about what you put first Loyalty or Faith.

I`m talking about testing for the likes of extremists like Pvt. Nasser Jason Abdo, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, and others before they join the military ranks.

If you are asking, I wouldn`t want WBC idiots in the military either, although their philosophy is such that they would not even attempt to join anyways.
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Male 2,528
The Christian Holy Bible also commands the death of others.

Exodus 22:18
"Suffer not a witch to live."
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Male 171
Hes got a point, devout muslims are bad to have in the military.
Then again though, devout christians in the military would also be a bad idea. Do you really want ppl in the military who strictly adhere to the bible, and for example, turn the other cheek when fired at?

Anyone strictly abyding to any religious book is a threat, in the military and in other places.
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Male 2,528
Regardless of whether or not we think it`s immoral to purge the military of Muslim Americans, the simple fact is that it`s unconstitutional.

The first amendment grants us the freedom of religion by making it illegal for congress to make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof.

By purging the military of a specific religion, this would not only be violating the first amendment, but it would also be a matter of religious descrimination.

Does Rick Womack really want to be the next Hitler?
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Male 4,546
To clarify:

There is no reason to characterize a reason for expulsion, if the reason for expulsion is legitimate.

"You can`t do X in the military" can be fine.

If X is general (Rape, Run, Put lives in danger, fail fitness test, have bad vision, steal), and has genuine reasons;

If X is irrelevant (Be Christian, Be Muslim, Be Black, Be Hispanic, Be ugly, Be a WBC member), it`s discriminatory.

If you want to say "but being WBC means you hate soldiers", you don`t need to outlaw WBC, you outlaw anti-soldier behavior, and the rest becomes irrelevant, whether the statement about WBC is true or false.

You`re talking about going after labels. That`s idiotic. Substance is all that matters.
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Male 2,796
Being that religion... the very concept and idea of it... in all forms, is the sole reason why humanity will never make it off this planet and therefore is assuring the destruction of the human race in the future-- I think religion has zero place anywhere at all and should be destroyed by any means possible.

Yes, totally serious.
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Male 4,546
"I will contend a devout christian has no place in the US military. Do explain how a muslim is any different."

I do not contend a devout Christian has no place in the US military. I also therefore make no, and need no, claims of difference for Muslims.

Secondly, I feel no need to justify Muslims in the Military from your fictitious characterizations any more than I feel the need to justify white participation in the military from accusations of being the Death Eaters from Harry Potter.

Storytelling is not an accurate representation of the world.
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Male 1,237
It`s ridiculous that this question is even asked- By this logic why don`t you ban Christians from the military because of the KKK`s actions in the name of their religion? The actions of few do not speak for the actions of the many.
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Male 31
@(cola3: cant we all just get along?)
unfortunately no. because of the politics.

@(C_Frost: he must feel naked without his sheet and burning cross)
LOL totally agree
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Male 156
collegebound: "tell you what...if you can give me a legit reason as to WHY in the next 24 hours i wont rage at you over the internet because i have nothing else to do..."

That should an be interesting rant. Considering we seem to be of similar opinion.

I you are indeed `college bound` then you would do well to understand the question posed.

"Should Muslims Be In The American Military?"

Yes they should.
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Male 1,268
"That was not the topic."
Very well, situate forum etiquette with your other mods then.

"Let me repeat in new words"
It wasn`t necessary to do so. To reiterate, I in no way feel muslim-americans (Keep in mind, Americans are not the only people in the US armed forces. As odd as that may be.) should be "purged" from the US armed forces. That said, it wasn`t necessary because BOTH our definitions of a stereotypical "westernized" and "true" weren`t conveniently taken from the same news report. They perception isn`t far from the reality, only one exists and the other doesn`t.

"That sentence seems like it needs an"
It didn`t.

I will contend a devout christian has no place in the US military. Do explain how a muslim is any different.
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Male 4,546
And finally, whilst I don`t expect Crakr to grow a pair and answer honestly and directly:

What religious test should be included for Christians in the military, to ensure they will not hesitate to abandon their faith, under fire?
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Male 6,737
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Male 4,546
"When the topic is..."
That was not the topic. The topic is quite readily available in the title of this thread.

You`ve also completely misunderstood the point being made.

Let me repeat in new words: Your argument suggests YOU should not be allowed to serve, because of a label, that I have defined.

It doesn`t matter if the definition is wrong.
It doesn`t matter if you differ from that definition.

Logic:
You are a X.
X is Y.
Y cannot Z.
Ergo, you cannot Z.

Fine. Except when statement 2 is bullpoo.

Examples of false statement 2`s in history:
X= Jews, Blacks, Americans, Muslims.
Y = Baby eaters, Cannibals, Crusaders, Oathbreakers.
Z = Live, Vote, Govern, Serve.

"I <killed> because it was necessary".
That sentence seems like it needs an "I thought" somewhere in there.
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Male 303
There`s no crime in the Koran that`s not in the bible somewhere. It`s all the same old poo.
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Male 2,332
There`s no point in being `tolerant` when people`s lives are at stake. Better to step on someone`s toes than have blood on your hands I say ^^

Conflict, and its endresult (war), will exist for as long as people have differing opinions. Which is pretty much, forever.

Having said that it would be wise to let go of this archaic concept of religion and people could actually focus their efforts towards the advancement of the human race instead of being divided.

/idealism
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Male 1,268
"You`re just a westernized atheist. Not a real Atheist of Soviet Russia."
Okay.

"If you were a real atheist...barred from contribution to the US military"
Fine by me.

"Weak arguments"
When the topic is "the only people who dislike muslims are THESE people." my argument is far from weak.

"That is exactly what bigotry looks like."
Why do you think I don`t already know that? I`d rather be alive than moral. I didn`t kill strangers because god commanded me to. I did it because it was necessary.

"Your political leanings are irrelevant."
A part of the point I was trying to make for Davy.

You contest the idea devout christians shouldn`t be in the military, even devout "atheists," as if that exists, but can you explain why devout muslims SHOULD be in the US military?
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Male 4,546
TLDR:
"You are commanded to kill"
"You are commanded to lie"
"That`s called Taqiyya"

Whenever an ignoramus knows less than 10 Arabic words, and one of those is a complex minority theological concept, you can rest assured that definition is horsepoo he`s had cherry picked for him by someone with a cause.

Source 1, source 2, source 3.
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Male 4,546
Scuzoid:

You`re just a westernized atheist. Not a real Atheist of Soviet Russia. If you were a real atheist, you`d be supporting genocide and spouting anti-American rhetoric, and should be barred from contribution to the US military... right?

Weak arguments preying upon pre-existing prejudices are not arguments at all.

"when I think muslim, I automatically go to extremist zealot."
That is exactly what bigotry looks like.

Your political leanings are irrelevant.
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Male 4,546
Oldollie:

Cryptochristianity. Look it up. Suck it up. No Christian can be in your military.

The rules of "Taqiyya", the specific thing you`re talking about, is not found in the Quran, is Shiia specific. Even amongst them, the rules are specific: You can lie to protect your life, not to "Further the cause of Islam".

When the people you listen to talk to you about it, to tell you about how "we can`t trust those pesky muslims", they`re deceiving you.

Actual Taqiyya.

If any of you would like this to be the topic of formal debate you finally man up to accepting, I`d be happy to oblige.
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Male 1,268
@davy

I`m far from a conservative, been essentially everywhere populated in Iraq and Afghanistan, throughout the UAE and the mediterranean. I`ve been required to maintain a working relationship with muslims from India, Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, and Turkey. There isn`t a polite thing I can say about any of them. These were all men of course, so, I don`t know, maybe the ACTUAL muslim women are okay.

Either way, as an Atheist, I don`t find one redeeming quality in devout Muslims. Westernized (To include the majority of the populace of the UAE) "muslims" may be what most people think of when they say "That guy is a muslim" but when I think muslim, I automatically go to extremist zealot.
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Male 2
that is good idear! i like it
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Male 1,449
Funny thing is Muhammad is pictured in the Supreme court. What an idiot
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Male 65
I don`t agree at all with what he says, but I can at least respect the manner in which he`s saying it. At least he doesn`t seem 100% hate-driven.
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Male 21
OldOllie, oaths are worthless in all cases. Oaths aren`t worthless because another oath says you can lie when you commit to an different oath. Oaths are worthless because, as stated in the A Song of Ice and Fire series many times, words are air.

Also, apparently by your logic no contributions to society by Christians cannot make up for the damage done by Jeffrey Dahmer who attempted to liquify the brains of young men by drilling into their skulls and pouring corrosive chemicals into them in order to make sex slaves out of them and then consumed their remains. So I guess we should put all Christians in jail for the crime of this one! Also Dahmer killed more men than the Fort Hood shooter. So did that Asian guy at Virginia Tech. You don`t damn an entire group of people for the actions of a single one, because if you take a good look at the labels you define yourself with you`ll find some pretty horrible monsters who defined themselves by those same labels.
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Male 392
Disa-drating-gree. In a country that prides itself on freedom of religion, a political officer sure is ignoring that whole amendment.
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Male 719
You see, the Muslims hate America!

I know! We should ban them from America! All of them! Problem solved!

There`s no possible way that this could backfire and create more Muslim extremists who hate America!
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Male 65
And yes, OldOllie, Luke 22:36 Jesus tells you to buy a sword and sell your cloak. Which would make sense for everyone, if Jesus was in fact gathering his people to travel, which required protection. It`s not an act of war or aggression to defend yourself. However, it is an act of aggression and violence to invade another country.
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Male 65
Aha! Yes, hat is an arrogant thing to say, it`s true. It goes over most people`s heads. However, when someone claimed that they didn`t find an arguments against Muslims in the military, you agreed, because you believed that that person did their best. However, that assumes that the person didn`t understand your argument. Isn`t that arrogant?
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Male 15,182
hat`s true, Tetragramma
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Male 12,138
Ah yes. The old "we allow religious people, as long as they`re OUR kind of religious people" schtick. Didn`t work so well in Northern Ireland where I grew up.

Look, for f*ck sake. You can read the Q`Ran as a religious text that compels every Muslim to kill the infidels.

Likewise, you can read the Bible to be everyone that wears polyester/cotton mix clothes to be put to death (giving the homos a break here).

Bottom line is; people are retarded. Imagine for a second how stupid the average person is. Got that? Good. By definition, 50% are more retarded than that. Think about that for a second.

Here`s a crazy thought, which I`ve extended before. Most Islamophobic Conservative I`ve encountered have never been outside the US. F*ck, many have never been outside their own state.

Go talk to a Muslim. drat that, go meet someone from France. Or Russia. China, whatever, seriously, just do it. It might just change the way you think of sh*t
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Male 184
Agree.
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Male 15,832
[quote]The words of Jesus preach pacifism.[/quote]
False. Google Luke 22:36.

The problem with Muslims is that the military requires an oath to, among other things, "...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..." However, the Koran says it is acceptable to lie under certain circumstances, such as when waging Jihad against the infidels (that`s us) to further the cause of Islam.

A Muslim may be a loyal American, but since there is no way to know for sure, his oath is meaningless. I don`t think there`s any argument that the total contributions of Muslims to the U.S. armed forces cannot make up for the damage done by one single Muslim Jihadist: the Ft. Hood mass murderer Maj. Nidal Hasan.

I say give them all honorable discharges and bid them farewell.

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Male 148
he must feel naked without his sheet and burning cross
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Male 55
womick is just asking for a sweaty ball sack to be rubbed on his face.
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Male 65
hat`s an entirely arrogant thing to say, Draculya.
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Male 15,182
@collegebound no problem. I am sure you did your level best.
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Male 65
Nope. That doesn`t apply. If your faith is to not drink a drop of alcohol, then it would necessitate denying your religion to be tested as such. Because the 1st Amendment ensures freedom of religion, what you propose is unconstitutional. If you did institute that, then you would have an army that is essentially exclusionary to the point of discrimination. How bout you let people have their (tenuous) beliefs, hmm? How bout every prospective soldier has to rape someone? what then? Is it not abhorrent to you?
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Male 55
cant we all just get along?
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Male 17,512
jtrebowski: I`m not asking that it be a daily part of their diet, It`s a test, you want to make it healthier ? make a BLT out of it and hold the mayo.

The bacon test is about devoutness, if you can`t set aside your religious diet, one time, to fulfill your military oath, then it`s not likely you`ll do it concerning other matters.
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Male 65
Yes I do. I throw rocks at adulterers, eat kosher, I do not wear clothes of mixed fiber (barring acrylic blends), I observe all Jewish holidays (which is awesome in terms of time off) and I get home before sundown on Fridays. Additionally, I am a pacifist. So there.
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Male 341
You dont follow the bible 100 percent do you?
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Male 65
The words of Jesus preach pacifism. Should all Christians be barred from service because of that?
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Male 1,268
"Well, there go the Jews"

The only jew I knew in the military ate bacon regularly.

Aren`t many jews in the military. I`d be surprised if there were more than 50 rabbi`s in the entirety of the armed forces.
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Male 3,369
McDuff73 said: "hmmm the country founded by those escaping religious persecution in Europe!"

Every conservative Republican just started gnawing on their sneakers with frustration knowing that you...are...right. Bravo.
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Male 3,369
@CrakrJak: Well, there go the Jews, and people trying to eat healthy. Way to go, dude.
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Male 3,745
CrakrJak: ever heard of Immortal Technique ?
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Male 3,745
Draculya: i read it but failed to find a valid excuse as to why they should not be allowed to serve.

thank you come again :)
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Male 17,512
I`d put them through the `bacon test`, they`d have to cook 4 slices and eat them. That would weed out the ones that too devout to fulfill their loyalty oath.
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Male 1,045
Maybe he should take his head out of his ass first.
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Male 1,471
Fight bigotry with bigotry.. what a wonderful idea.. I can`t believe nobody thought of that before...
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Female 155
It`s official - Tennessee can`t be taken seriously.
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Male 65
I doubt that anyone here has read the Koran. I haven`t. Then again, I`ve never read any of the Vedas or any ancient Egyptian texts honoring any of their gods. And I, just like anyone here stating anything about the Muslim faith, can tell you that they all want to kill all Christians and destroy our fabulous, awe-inspiring and perfect government. Because I believe in Jeebus.
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Female 2,549
One I can think of is to develop other means of energy. End the dependance on oil. Pull out all troups and if necessary all commerce and wash the hands off.
Then invite them into the civilized world one sports game at the time, one donated hospital, one donated library, one irrigation technology...
Change the game.
Stop reacting to the stimulus like a chimp. Take time for the mental process.
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Female 2,549
As a nation, (national policy) why be against a religion, race or ethnicity? The actions ( military or otherwise should be against the acts committed.
The smart thing to do is turn the vast majority of regular -law abiding, cheering at sports, sending their kids to school to get education, as we do- muslims to be our allies.
Hate, discrimination or distrust has not, will not solve the problem.
What I have never understood is the rhetoric of fundamental Islamist that blames the west for it`s problems, no one has more money or power then the oil sheiks. What have they done for the poor muslims?
The money that got the infidels, as the call it on the holy grounds comes from the oil barons.
The only way to get through to the poor, have nothing to loose, blind faith followers is to educate them of these realities. Has anyone one got a smart solution for doing that? Time consuming, yes but with lasting and guaranteed outcome of peace.

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Male 2,690
He knows what he`s talking about..If you do actually study up on all of it that is what they`re supposed to believe. Devout Muslims are instructed to do anything they can, lie cheat steal etc to bring others to their religion or to kill them. But on another note...I really feel like there are probably a ton of "Muslims" out there nowadays that aren`t really Muslim. Just like some people CLAIM to be Christian. We have Muslims in the US that left their home country because of ridiculous Muslim laws there...yet they stay Muslim.
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Male 1,268
"I have many thoughts on this subject. Each one as stupid as the one before."

I find it so odd when left wing suburbanites campaign for equality without ever having experienced the type of people they are saying are "equal" to themselves. None of what you said was stupid. The vast majority of the people I met overseas are neanderthalic in their views on how the world should behave, while also being exceptionally modern in the manner in which they`d like to achieve such a state.

Really, the idea "extremists" wouldn`t join the US military (Where an exceptional amount of rapid training and vast amounts of munitions are available.) shows just how disconnected a suburbanite can be. Extremists from ALL aspects of society have been shown to be present in the US forces.
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Male 15,182
I don`t know Gerry, I`ve grown up in London and found a lot of the home grown muslims to be every bit as likely to blow themselves and their neighbours to kingdom come as the imports, more even, because they want to prove their faith and because someone no doubt has cellphone footage of them dragging on a joint in a nightclub.

At college, I sat through one course unit with a chap called K. Malik. He asked me what my religion was. Sensing what was coming, I replied "Anglican" (of course you know I`m an Atheist). This kicked off a near-endless discussion about the relative merits of religions.

I think I all but convinced him that both religions were bull but failed to converty him to apostacy.

Those were more innocent times, but I am sure he still has fantasies about beheading me.
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Male 506
I very much believe in the ideal of religious freedom so I would say yes...a Muslim American has every right to serve in the US military.

Frankly, trying to purge them would only drive them underground like the homosexuals who served in secret for decades and sends a very clear, negative message to exactly the people who already believe the western world is out to get them personally because of their beliefs.
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Male 299
I think his argument is well thought out. I also think that his argument has some grounds to stand on (i.e. the threat he is speaking about). But I do not think that you can force all Muslims out of the military. It just isn`t right on too many levels
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Male 1,010
This is something that Adolf Hitler would prepose.
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Male 2,422
"As long as they through out all the Christians too it`s totally cool"

Throw! I meant throw! Oh God, I made a typo on the internet.

But hey, if you want to confirm Al-qaeda`s propaganda about America`s involvement in the Middle east being a new Crusade against Islam go ahead and do it.
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Male 79
Doesn`t anyone remember Japanese internment camps?
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Male 39,547

@ McDuff73 - Common misconception. No, the U.S. was not founded on religious freedom.
One (1) colony at Salem, the Pilgrims, were religious zealots but they were
not founding a nation. The U.S. was founded on government with represntation.
That worked for a bout 200 years before it went caput.

@ LazyMe484 - An extremist wouldn`t join the military? Tell the survivors
at Fort Hood that.
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Male 39,547

I have many thoughts on this subject. Each one as stupid as the one before.

The concept of equality among differant peoples is basically flawed.
It assumes all people involved are equally evolved socially.
Those from 3rd world muslim countries are not civilized to the
same point as the rest of the world. They are not ready to join civilized
nations.

Therefore, no, I would not let any 3rd world muslims in the military, or even
within our borders. Deport them all. Home grown muslims are less likely to
be extremist idealogues. That`s not a 100% perfect theory, but it works.

Okay, someone can disagree and shoot me down now. Doesn`t matter.
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Male 871
hmmm the country founded by those escaping religious persecution in Europe!
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Male 15,182
Niiiice one. He`s basically reminding all muslim troops that they are at odds with their religion and eternal salvation for not slaughtering their colleagues in an orgy of blue on blue.

Muslims, Christians, Jews and Jedi should be allowed in the military as long as they are not allowed to hold officer and NCO roles. I wouldn`t want someone who lives their lives according to teachings of imaginary friends or who claim a higher law than their orders and secular law to command other men or to possess weapons more effective than a sharpened plastic teaspoon.
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[quote]If you`re an islamic extremist, the last thing you`re going to do is enlist in the US military.[/quote]

you can always do more damage from within...but I think if you were going to invest that much in becoming a spy you wouldnt say you were muslim in the first place.
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Male 10,440
[quote] As long as they through out all the Christians too it`s totally cool. [/quote]
Then there will be no one left!

ZING!

My only squabble with this guys argument is that he is assuming that America = anti-muslim, doesn`t that go against separation of church & state? Other than that... I have to agree.

But is this a problem? Where are the statistics on treason by muslims within the US military? Are there any?

If you`re an islamic extremist, the last thing you`re going to do is enlist in the US military.
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Male 4,849
This is what cable news does to people. It turns them into hateful partisan a-holes.
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Male 66
as long as they dont wanna blow us up. Nadal Hassan, enough said
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Male 321
If what he is saying is true, then yes I agree, but you never know he could be one of them too!
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Male 4,849
I hope this hateful man gets voted out of office. I am appalled. He is so un-American.
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Male 1,268
"99 percent of muslims"

99 percent of WESTERN muslims.
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Male 1,268
In task force green, we were required to work with actual muslims frequently. Both in a cooperative manner and a less than cooperative manner. I don`t trust ACTUAL muslims, that is, muslim/christian/jewish-americans are for the most part, far from actual believers in my experience.

I`m sorry, but I`d never lock my sister in a room with ANY Iraqi or Afghan I`ve met in my past along with an M-16.

It`s hard to suggest deeper background checks with regards to enlistment, but failing in that endeavor has known consequences. One of which we see as a hard to swallow, but far from unjustified suggestion of removing all muslims. Then where do you stop? Mexican-americans with known MS-13 ties have used the american military. Caucasians with known skinhead ties have as well.
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Male 3,745
Dogboy76: "Yes they should."

tell you what...if you can give me a legit reason as to WHY in the next 24 hours i wont rage at you over the internet because i have nothing else to do...
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Male 141
I think what`s important to keep in mind here is that he is technically correct... that can all be found in the doctrine of the Muslim faith. However, he is being completely thick in his point. It isn`t as though Christians follow the verses of slavery or female abuse or strange poo in the bible either. We all choose what we want to believe, and 99 percent of muslims choose not to take it to that extreme. So no, of course there should not be a religious screening process in place... it would have to screen out almost every religion in order not to be a threat to national security.
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Male 591
@honkey, not sure about the germans and italians, but for the most part we did with the american-japanese and sent them to internment camps for most of the war
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Male 106
I served in the army. I served alongside soldiers of many different faiths. Muslims, jews, christians of every conceivable stripe, atheists, Buddhists, one Satanist, and even a follower of japanese shinto beliefs. Their personal beliefs had no impact whatsoever on 99% of those I served with. It was their own business. What I cared about was having someone next to me who swore the same oath to defend the constitution that I swore. Outside of that, I could care less. This guy is an idiot.
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Male 3,108
Just another guy standing in front of a banner that touts freedom, wanting to screw folks out of THEIR freedoms.
And working with his point of view, I guess we need to purge the Catholics as well- They pledge fealty to that pedophile in Vatican City.
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Male 1,586
Did we get rid of all the German, Japanese, and Italian soldiers during WWII?
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Male 320
I think "only" muslim american soldiers should be in the battles. That way nobody can say it is a religious war. JMIO
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Male 156
Yes they should.
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Male 20
doesn`t he worship the same violent Abrahamic god as the Muslims?
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Female 8,043
Link: Should Muslims Be In The American Military? [Rate Link] - Tennessee State Rep. Rick Womick calls for the military purging of all Muslim Americans. Agree or Disagree I-A-B?
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