Ron Paul On The War On Drugs

Submitted by: madest 5 years ago in

Dr. Paul explains the failure of the War on Drugs during tonight"s debate.
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Female 2,549
Agree 100%
Legalize everything and tax it. Use the tax money generated for rehab and safe houses for for drug users.
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Male 371
Chuck Norris, does he still support Ron Paul?
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Male 122
Crakr:
"Yes, it has. Most people follow the law and do not wish to face the consequences of breaking it, thus they stay sober."
When was the last time you heard a person say "I`d like to smoke this weed but darn it, it`s illegal so i cant.
Cigarettes are legal. What`s the ratio of people you know that smoke vs don`t smoke?
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Female 109
ron paul 2012!
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Female 17
Get Ron Paul on 60 minutes!!!
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Male 914
Drugs corrupt the individual. Criminalization corrupts society.

If you live in the US, please register as a Republican just so you can give Ron Paul a shot at the presidency.
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Male 55
RON PAUL 2012!!!!!
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Male 551
PLEASE Americans... I beg you!
Make these man the president of the US.

This is the most coherent, sane and progressive person
I`ve seen on TV and even the internet, give him
(And the rest of the world) a chance
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Male 10,440
I feel like I should invest in American jails.
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Male 10,855
Speaking of rule of law: Notice how prohibition 2.0 (or war on drugs for that matter) was legalized with NO CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT!

[quote]social chaos that the legalization of all drugs would cause[/quote]


We have utter social chaos BECAUSE of criminalization. Like the kind patchgrabber just mentioned. Meanwhile it`$ co$ting the taxpayer $eriou$ money.
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Male 10,855
[quote]We still shouldn`t have border clashes again between our individual UNITED STATES[/quote]

Yes we`re the "United States" that doesn`t mean we`re united in the messianic sense.

[quote]we don`t need higher levels of addiction[/quote]

Legalization does not automatically mean more addiction. As a matter of fact it will encourage more people to admit they have a problem.

[quote]we certainly don`t need the decline in morality [/quote]

Prohibition itself causes a decline in morality. Our recent history from late 19th century (and even earlier) is riddled with snowballing effects of failed prohibition attempts leading to stricter laws and repeating. The unattended consequences of which include corruption, degradation of the rule of law, and loss of liberty.
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Male 5,811
"we don`t need higher levels of addiction, and we certainly don`t need the decline in morality or the social chaos that the legalization of all drugs would cause."

Speculation at best. So your alternative is to continue with overcrowded prisons, unregulated and unsafe drugs, drug turf wars, dealers hanging around playgrounds, etc.?

Your baseless "arguments" amount to nothing more than fear-mongering. Last time I checked everyone in the Netherlands was not addicted to drugs like marijuana and heroine, even though they favour a harm-reduction model instead of an imprisonment model for casual use.
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Male 10,855
Further reading in this report.
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Male 17,512
Cajun: We still shouldn`t have border clashes again between our individual UNITED STATES. We don`t need freeway auto chases across state lines, we don`t need higher levels of addiction, and we certainly don`t need the decline in morality or the social chaos that the legalization of all drugs would cause.
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Male 303
@MCMXCIII

You would make a good dictator. "I know better than you"
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Male 303
Ron Paul. Honest, not bought by bankers or corporations. But you wont elect him because he is christian, against abortion (even though he would not federally legislate against it), doesn`t believe in evolution.

Never mind that these things would not effect his policy because he believes the power rests with the people.

Last best hope for this country. All he does is speak truth, with reason and rationality. Yet he is berated and called crazy.
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Male 356
I would`ve voted for him if the average Americans are rational, educated and moderate (Hint: They are not). The people simply don`t know how to use the freedom they have; so it`s better not to give them that power at all.
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Male 2,376
hes the only politician that`s ever made any sense.. i cant stand the looks the other guys give him like hes crazy!!!!!! the other guys seriously look like TV personality`s.. sad part is there are alot of people.. mainly old people, who believe these TV personality`s.. its to bad..
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Male 15,832
[quote]Damage to our economy? Really? You don`t understand economies much do you?[/quote]
Before you parade your ignorance on this subject, maybe you should learn to use a search engine.
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Male 10,855
Further reading in this report.
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Male 10,855
[quote]If there is one state that legalizes drugs and one next to it that doesn`t then you have a `bootlegging` problem that causes problems at the states borders, remember we once had a civil war over states that disagreed about what was legal and not, like that.[/quote]

Be that as it may we don`t have the problem with organized crime related to alcohol like we do now. We do have that problem with many controlled substances.
Also I believe Archer explains why your Civil War analogy is oversimplified.
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Male 2,419
"If prostitution was legal, would sex traffickers still be considered criminals? How would one prosecute pimps taking unwilling "products"?"

Whoah wtf?? Legalizing PROSTITUTION does not equal legalizing KIDNAPPING, RAPE, or VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN (and a few men). It allows a victim of sex trafficking or abuse from pimps/customers to go to the police without slamming them self into a jail cell (which is what keeps them from going to the authorities).
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Male 525
Most times when Ron Paul opens his mouth, it makes it harder and harder for me to support the guy. This was not one of those times; brownie points to you, Dr. Paul.

@CrakrJak: I think Paul is saying that no state or the federal government shouldn`t HAVE THE POWER to outlaw drugs. Also, I think the Civil War was a little more complicated than that: contrary to popular belief, Lincoln didn`t believe that the president had the power to abolish slavery and he fully intended to keep slavery where it was. The Southern states didn`t recognize the authority of the federal government--they thought that states had the right to govern themselves.

So, really, both problems are solved if the power to outlaw drugs is taken away.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Most people follow the law and do not wish to face the consequences of breaking it, thus they stay sober.[/quote]

If that were true we would see a decline, in usage. Instead we see none or an INCREASE in usage.
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Male 5,811
"...lacking a moral compass and cause a demand for illicit drugs."

Who says all illegal drugs are immoral? I`d say cigarettes are more immoral than marijuana, but they`re ok because they`re legal, also not to mention that alcohol causes more personal violence than any of the illegal drugs combined.
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Male 5,811
"Again that would still lead to chaos and anarchy."

You do realize that the underlying problem is the prohibition itself don`t you? There would be no bootlegging and black market if there were no prohibition to create said black market.

I`m sure everyone remembers reading about how repealing alcohol prohibition led to chaos and anarchy, or how any country that has decriminalized marijuana has descended into a pit of reckless, lascivious abandon...
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Male 17,512
Cajun: [quote]The law hasn`t done a damn thing to to curtail those problems anyway. Zero, nada, zip![/quote]

Yes, it has. Most people follow the law and do not wish to face the consequences of breaking it, thus they stay sober.

Unfortunately there are too many idiots out there lacking a moral compass and cause a demand for illicit drugs. If there was less or no demand there would be no `War on Drugs".
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Male 554
he might be the smartest person up there, but if he doesn`t have the lobbyist in his pocket, he`ll never win.

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Male 17,512
scapegoat: Problem with that is that the US government regulates interstate commerce. If there is one state that legalizes drugs and one next to it that doesn`t then you have a `bootlegging` problem that causes problems at the states borders, remember we once had a civil war over states that disagreed about what was legal and not, like that.

Again that would still lead to chaos and anarchy.
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Male 1,510
Ron Paul for President!
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Male 954
This post is filed under games, do I detect some IAB bias?
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Male 381
Amen, Rwawrg. I`m voting ron paul.
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Male 321
That man speaks the truth, non-corporate-sponsored-truth. Please please please elect this man
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Male 15,182
He`s a smart man and a brave one. America could solve a bunch of its major problems if they took his advice.
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Male 4,745
Glad to hear there is at least one of your politicians that has some brains on a subject.
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Male 10,855
[quote]returning to some form of backed currency be it gold or silver to keep the physical numbers [/quote]

One of the few ideas I don`t agree with. Everything else though makes perfect sense.
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Male 934
"Looney Toon bonkers."

I have watched countless RP clips, and nothing he`s said has been completely insane. Some of it is huge, like simplifying the tax code to where you don`t need an IRS as it exists today, or being a non-interventionist militarily, or returning to some form of backed currency be it gold or silver to keep the physical numbers of dollars from exploding like it does under mercantilism. That said, I don`t see any of those long-term goals as bonkers, but rather the direction he`d like to see this country head. He realizes that big ships take a long time to turn, but is starts with someone setting a course and turning the wheel.
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Male 10,855
Everyone should check this book out:
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Male 10,855
[quote]If prostitution was legal, would sex traffickers still be considered criminals?[/quote]

Yes because it`s called kidnapping.
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Male 10,855
[quote]This idiocy would lead to complete social chaos and anarchy.[/quote]

Slippery slope and vague terms

[quote]Paul would open up the floodgates and send us back to the dark ages of opium dens and children inhaling glue[/quote]

The law hasn`t done a damn thing to to curtail those problems anyway. Zero, nada, zip!
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Male 5,811
Not to mention the billions of dollars spent housing prisoners who just want to smoke weed.
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Male 1,008
he scares me less than herman cain, did you ever see dead zone? Cain is Martin Sheens character,
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Male 621
Link - Vote then, ass.
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Male 559
When Ron Paul has become the most level headed candidate, the world is in trouble.
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Male 5,189
I don`t vote but I`d vote for him if I did.
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Male 1,931
Nice snippit. But there are equal amount of snippits where the guy is Looney Toon bonkers. I`ll give him this though, he says what he means and isn`t conjecturing talking points just for the sake of looking good in the election like all of his competitors. If I was going to want a republican president at this current time, it would be him. But right now our country needs to get money moving and Democrats do that.
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Male 2,841
Paul makes way too much sense to get elected.
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Male 303
QueenZira
Scuzoid

Its simple really... everything we let the black market control gets dirty and un healthy. not only supporting the black market economy.

Lets give the state taxation right for whores n drugs, mmm kay? Seriously.
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Male 1,268
"Even when my *source* is listed and verifiable...and you lack one altogether..."

Yes. Firstly, I don`t need a source to ignore your pompous article. I can just ignore it based on it`s ridiculous "facts." Secondly, where is Sweden`s Sex Purchase Law right now? I don`t care whether or not prostitution was already on a decline in that country (Condoms suck), nor do I care whether or not human trafficking increased after the adoption of this law (Oh wait...), I`m asking where this law stands in Sweden RIGHT now. Here, I`ll help:

http://tinyurl.com/57to5o

There ya go, plenty of "sources" there for you to rummage through. Not some Vanity Fair posh who got tired of writing articles about what`s the current fashion trend.
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Female 2,228
Even when my *source* is listed and verifiable...and you lack one altogether...
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Male 210

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Female 7,997
blinkered discussion again- just as all drug users are not addicts not all sex workers are co -erced. This is why drug laws are stupid- because they refuse to see the difference between use and abuse, the same goes for sex workers- not all are abused. If people would get off their high horses they might see fit to deal with the abuse and abusers- leaving the rest alone.
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Male 1,268
"and I`ll bet there`s a good reason why Nev. is the only state to legalize it after all."

Some information. Firstly, "prostitution" as a whole isn`t legal anywhere inside of nevada. It`s ONLY legal inside of state regulated brothels (in specific counties). You can`t just hook, nor can you head to the post office and pick up a hooking licence. Furthermore, according to the US Dep of Justice, the MAIN city in Nevada, where prostitution has been illegal for over fifty years, is also the most likely destination for human trafficking in the entirety of the US. The women trafficked to Las Vegas aren`t shipped out to Parump, they stay as slaves in Las Vegas. Illegal (deregulated) prostitution is largely idiotic.

Now, as to what you said, I won`t ever take any "report" seriously when it spouts round (50% 75%) numbers in it`s favor and ignores any numbers against it`s point of view.
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Male 210
Ron Paul 2012!!!!

Stop the wars, we`re broke.
Stop the spending, we`re broke.
Tax Marijuana, we`re broke.

OldOllie- Have you ever wondered why exactly radical Muslims hate us. How many of their people have we killed. How many dictators have we propped up, to just battle with later. Every WAR we`ve been in in the last decade or so (not a long time but a sh$tload of wars) has been fighting people we helped put in power. Keep intervening in others business and things will never change, especially when we can`t get our sh$t together.

QueenZ- Why should the government tell you what to do with your body?

CrakrJ- He`d give the power to the states to regulate what drugs are legal. Plus how much money have we wasted (keyword WASTED) on this useless war, people are gonna use whether its legal or not, and it just creates crime and violence.
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Male 3,310
OldOllie:"You seem to have forgotten, 19 radical Muslims managed to kill over 3000 people and do over $1 trillion in damage to our economy using only box cutters."

Damage to our economy? Really? You don`t understand economies much do you?
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Female 2,228
Scuzoid +jops, from "Sex trafficking of Americans, the Girls Next Door,"

"If no one`s buying girls then the pimps can`t make money is exactly the theory behind the Sex Purchase Law in Sweden. As of `99 johns are punished by up to 6 months imprisonment, traffickers are locked up for 2-10 years, and prostitutes are offered medical care, education and housing. As a result prostitution has been reduced by 50% in Sweden, and the purchase of sex, understood as a Human Rights abuse has decreased by 75%. In contrast, Europol studies show nations like Holland & Australia, where prostitution is legal have become lucrative low risk magnets for international sex slavers and organized crime."

This issue is a lot more complicated than at first blush, and I`ll bet there`s a good reason why Nev. is the only state to legalize it after all.
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Male 644
I agree with QueenKeika`s point... Plus she`s pretty cute in her pic too... lol
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Male 689
QueenZira - you cannot compare on of the world oldest professions to slavery/kidnapping. if it were legal why would they need a pimp? protection? thats what the police are for.
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Female 25
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Female 25
I know who I`m voting for. I would like for the drug laws to make sense =D for at least let the sick have the pot!
Why do we have all the ingredients in morphine legal but not morphine it`self?
www.norml.org knowledge is power,we should learn more.
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Male 17,512
Ron Paul wants to get rid of all drug laws in America going back to before 1900, That`s when Cocaine, Heroin, Laudanum, and virtually every other drug was legal to buy. This idiocy would lead to complete social chaos and anarchy.

We have a bad enough problem with addictions as it is, Paul would open up the floodgates and send us back to the dark ages of opium dens and children inhaling glue
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Male 1,268
"If prostitution was legal, would sex traffickers still be considered criminals?"

What a ridiculous statement. Ask Nevada. The end.

While I agree Ron is ridiculously naive when it comes to the middle east, at least what he said when asked about it made sense when you look at him as a flat out hippy. Mitt Romney and his no fly zone spiel was just flat out idiotic.
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Male 314
I may not agree with Ron Paul in general, but I do respect the heck out of him for sticking with what he believes. All the other republican candidates seem like they`re willing to say whatever they have to be get people on their side.
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Male 626
Also, @ QueenZira
Just because it is legal dose not mean everyone will instantly do it. If heroin was legalized today would you do it just because it was? No, and neither would anyone else who wouldn`t do it if it was illegal. Heroin is legal in Portugal and I`m no expert on their status, but I`m pretty sure they`re ok. Also, prostitution is legal in some Australian states/territories (they let the states decide, like how Ron Paul wants) and they aren`t any worse than we are here, in fact, it lets women get help if they need it who would otherwise be arrested for prostitution.
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Male 626
I`m not a republican, nor can I vote, but I would totally vote for him. He seems like I wouldn`t like him personally, but the way he wants to let the states practice more popular sovereignty is awesome.
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Female 2,228
Survival of the fittest in libertarian politics is more like contempt for suffering humanity- libertarians won`t even go along w/ seatbelt laws, too liberty restricting.

If prostitution was legal, would sex traffickers still be considered criminals? How would one prosecute pimps taking unwilling "products"?


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Male 3,745
Ron Paul says some things sometimes that i do agree with...

if i were a republican id vote for him.
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Male 10,440
[quote] You seem to have forgotten, 19 radical Muslims managed to kill over 3000 people and do over $1 trillion in damage to our economy using only box cutters. And you want to allow them to get their hands on nuclear weapons? Well, Ron Paul does.
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That`s stupid.
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Male 10,440
He seems... acceptable. Just barely. You elect this guy, and you may avoid disaster.

[quote] The scary part is the notion of a republican candidate making perfect sense. [/quote]
Don`t jump ahead. Let`s see where he`s going with this...
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Male 2,419
@QueenZira
Well the heroin thing he said people that wouldn`t do it won`t regardless of the laws, people who do... survival of the fittest.
Prostitution has been made legal in other parts of the world already because if it is illegal women that are forced into prostitution through violence and threats have no escape. Going to the police would put them behind bars too.

These 2 points actually kinda make sense. Although allowing idiots to euthanize themselves is uncivilized.
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Male 15,832
[quote]We need to ensure our own safety[/quote]
You seem to have forgotten, 19 radical Muslims managed to kill over 3000 people and do over $1 trillion in damage to our economy using only box cutters. And you want to allow them to get their hands on nuclear weapons? Well, Ron Paul does.

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Female 2,228
Ron Paul: Hookers and Heroin for everyone!

Libertarianism goes waay too far.
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Male 955
I think he stands a good chance of winning if people were sensible. So essentially he`s not going to win.

@Oldollie, when are we going to stop policing the world? We need to ensure our own safety but what`s left to save if we continue on the path we`re going?
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Male 1,793
ron paul 1888
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Male 510
I would vote for Ron Paul.
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Male 15,832
I agree with almost everything he says, but his views on foreign policy are naive to the point of being dangerous. Most of his ideas on national defense come from a time when it took a month or more to cross the Atlantic in a wooden boat, and the most deadly weapon available was a muzzle-loading rifle.

Radical Muslims are waging war against non-Muslins on every single border they share, and they are reaching out to commit acts of terrorism well beyond their borders.

Here`s a clue, Ron: you can`t make nice with an insane religious fanatic who seriously considers you to be Satan himself, and letting him get his hands on a nuke is tantamount to suicide.
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Male 65
hmmm, someone will either buy this guy out, or murder him, hear this for i have seen the future |-x
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Male 39,551
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Male 197
Too bad pot heads don`t vote. :(
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Male 2,513
Ron Paul 2012
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Male 2,440
This recent CNN debate was leagues better than that horsesh*t excuse for a debate CBS had.
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Male 483
I like him.
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Male 82
This was awesome to watch high.
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Male 3,310
I bet congress hasn`t even passed a legal declaration of war either. It`s an illegal war!!
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Male 265
The scary part is the notion of a republican candidate making perfect sense.
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Male 7,378
Link: Ron Paul On The War On Drugs [Rate Link] - Dr. Paul explains the failure of the War on Drugs during tonight`s debate.
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