Proof That Lt Pike Warned UC Davis Protesters

Submitted by: kitteh9lives 5 years ago in

Pike warned them to move.Does this change your perception of the incident at all, or was it still excessive force I-A-B?
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Male 5,004
Don`t stick up for 5Cats on this one he is being an ass. He is trying to twist Madest`s words around to seam like he was being homophobic which he wasn`t. Madest was being funny. This is Madest`s original comment, "I doubt you would lie down and take it like a trick at a Gerry1of1 summer pride party."

A trick in the gay world is someone who gets paid for sex or at least someone who is a slut. This had nothing to do with rape and everything to do with 5Cats projecting because he made a horrific racist comment about our President. Sure 5Cats used a link to make the implementation but it was still really bad. It takes a hell of a lot to offend me and I actually wanted him banned because of it.
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Female 8
@ I-IS-BORED
5Cats didn`t say "if a person gives consent", he said "if a person forgives". Forgiveness doesn`t turn non-consensual sex in to consensual sex. It`s still rape.
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Male 2,419
@Patchgrabber
it`s just a walkway on their campus
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Male 5,811
It wasn`t difficult before to see that he was just doing what he was told, but I hope this doesn`t put an end to the pike memes floating around. What confuses me more is that they weren`t even blocking anything in particular from what I could see, just sitting on the walkway. Granted I haven`t cared enough to look into it, but what exactly were they blocking access to?
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Male 2,419
@5Cats
If a person gives consent it isn`t rape.
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Male 40,739
[quote]The very person the original comment was made about thought it was funny.[/quote]
@markust: if a rape victem forgives the rapist, it isn`t rape anymore? I was offended and I called @madest of his latest in a LONG string of racist, sexist and homophobic comments. Oh, but that`s OK because the targets of all those hateful things was right wing.
[quote]Do you have zero sense of humor or does everything in your life have to be a partisan fight?[/quote]
I have a terrific sense of humour, thanks for asking! I lolz ALL the time! So much in fact it was suggested I cut down (and I have, honest!) here at IAB.
But that homosmack just isn`t funny. Like racist or sexist "jokes" it should be pointed out as offensive, no matter who says it.

Please notice how a "right winger" is opposed to homosmack and the "leftists" are defending it.
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Male 295
@MAlb3d - The cops were actually given the order by the school`s administration to remove the protesters, which is completely within the right of the administration to do. The protesters knew what they were getting into by staying in place.

@photomstr - THANK YOU. I hate how everyone has this view of cops as "evil". This is only because nobody wants to post a video of a cordial cop doing his job correctly, which happens 99.99% of the time. Cops snap because of poo like this. People protest and defy the police for the sake of doing so and to provoke a reaction. Asinine, all of them.
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Male 181
@photomstr - I`m not saying the point behind OWS is wrong, not at all, but you`re right in the difference of style, it looks bad when people are in such an uproar about the police useing ANY kind of method other then doing nothing (they are ordered to do SOMETHING how else can they move people that don`t want to be moved?) vs the other contries where people are being beaten, and even killed, to me by comparison it does make us look that way a little bit.
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Male 766
These protesters are lame . . . the people protesting for change of government in Syria, Egypt, Iran are willing to give their lives for what they believe in. All I see in `merca is spoiled brats having a hissy fit!
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Male 181
15 minutes after my last post, another picture was posted of said same scene that now makes six.
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Male 181
@daverazor - Your right we don`t have to click on it, but we still have to see it, there are currently eight ows posts on the main page of latest (some may be pushed to page two now but still, eight, three of which are about the SAME THING, people who post comments saying "re-post" don`t have to either, but they do.

I believe this is the fifth post about the same scene. The one about the vet getting hit with a "flash grenade/rubber bullet/tear gas grenade"? Yeah four times, and each time he was hit with something different. So yes I am tired of seeing the same crap...Move on already.
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Male 5,004
Good lord 5Cats it was a joke. I would have laughed if it had been from the left or the right.

"Ah @Markust123, a fine example of "liberal double standard" there chum!
iirc, you`ve pounced on the smallest mis-speaking of right wingers with a vengance, but if @madest openly uses homosmack, that`s OK?
Nice!"

The very person the original comment was made about thought it was funny. Do you have zero sense of humor or does everything in your life have to be a partisan fight?
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Male 599
@MAlb3d
Did you actually watch this video? They aren`t just `sitting`. They are locking arms so the police can`t remove them and circling the police to trap them in.

@daverazor
"This is a massive historical social movement where people are actually standing up for what they believe is right (for once)"

How are a bunch of spoiled-ass white kids camping on streets, littering, and doing drugs `standing up for what they believe is right`.

The underground railroad and slave revolts were people standing up for what is right. Charity groups stand up for what is right. OWS is mostly a bunch of hipsters who don`t want to put forth any effort into anything and enjoy `fighting the corporations` while drinking starbucks coffee and smoking big tobacco company cigarettes.
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Male 58
This makes it much worse. The premeditation involved before the cops decided to abuse these people is incredible! All that time explaining how they were going to revoke these kids first amendment rights could have been used trying to stand each one up and move them first. Nope, instead, let`s be lazy cops and just use force. And this was during the day too. There`s no law against students sitting in a campus quad during the day. The legal way would have been to do this at night, when camping is not permitted. During the day though, these kids were just students sitting on the lawn. What a great direction this country is moving in. And why aren`t Black Friday campers being pepper sprayed by the cops? Oh that`s right, because they`re contributing to the consumerism that rules this country.
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Male 198
Are you people really complaining about OWS? More disturbing is that anybody would complain about posts of it on an absurdest website. Don`t like it don`t click it. This is a massive historical social movement where people are actually standing up for what they believe is right (for once) and some people on here are complaining that OWS is filling up the feed on a website? We are doomed.
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Male 38
Nope, it was still funny
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Male 219
Didn`t change my mind at all...protestors were blocking a public thoroughfare, were warned multiple times, then soundly pepper-sprayed. No one to blame here but the stupidity of the fools who took the spray.
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Female 90
Nope, didn`t change my mind. I still think these people need to get a life and go home already. Also, I am so tired of reading about OWS and watching news about it...
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Male 2,988
change my mind? no. warning or not they sprayed people sitting on the ground (not doing anything aggressive, passive if anything) for not getting out of their way. still sickens me.
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Male 181
@trudenter - I`ve been hoping for ONE WEEK with out a stupid OWS related post....Can`t even make it two days, people are incapable of letting things go, especialy on this site.

It almost seems forced (as most of the posts are from the mod`s) personally, I hope OWS gets shut down quick just for the sake of being able to browse this site again without seeing "police do this" or "OWS blah blah blah" every other post, every single day.
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Male 181
What`s sad is that this guy was doing his job and well too, he warned each one face to face, made sure they knew what was going to happen, and wasn`t yelling it to them either, but thanks to whiners and the internet, he`ll probably lose his job and over something that it`s actually pretty stupid.

Everyday people are tased, everyday people are maced, everyday people are arrested an no one cares, do it to some one when a camera is around and it`s "OMG HE`S ABUSING HIS POWER THE POLICE ARE CORRUPT"



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Male 69
ugh.... when will this end...

okay maybe i can start some sort of debate... nah nevermind
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Male 714
if they refused to move then the police are entirely justified on using pepper spray. if they had to physically move them, which was the other option, then the police would have been putting themselves in danger.
would you all have preferred to see the police use physical force, maybe crack a few skulls with batons?
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Male 130
Peaceful protest? They surrounded the officers not giving them a single way to escape. Sounds pretty hostile to me.
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Male 599
@patticakes
They deserve to be expelled from school as well. Since when is this kind of crap acceptable behavior for a student? If they`re going to disrupt the education process and hurt their school`s image, then they don`t deserve to be students there.
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Female 465
The spoiled ass occupests got what they deserved.
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Male 599
@evanbartlett
Yes, but pepper spraying these sacks of fail isn`t excessive force. They couldn`t use other means to remove them, so they had to resort to pepper spray. Also, I still fail to see what this particular protest accomplished. It`s like me yelling at a McDonald`s cashier for the Big Mac costing too much. It`s not the cashier`s fault.
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Male 315
Just to throw this out there since some people are making this mistake... Pepper Spray is not INSTEAD OF lethal force. The use of force has steps, starting at Police Presence, which basically is that they are there and visible (this is a preventative measure) escalating all the way up lethal force as the last step. Pepper spray is in the middle, after bare hands and before batons.

Gun =/= pepper spray. You don`t use a gun on a protester sitting on the ground, and you don`t use pepper spray on a guy with a lethal weapon(because if you are close enough to spray, he is close enough to stab/slice/shoot/etc).
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Male 559
The reason excessive force is wrong is because it`s excessive. Warning people that you are about to use excessive force does not negate its excessivity. Just as telling someone that you are about to shoot them when they refuse to give you their wallet doesn`t mitigate the offense.
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Male 599
@jtrebowski
Also, I don`t even think this was an occupy protest, so your link is irrelevant.
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Male 3,477
Just like grandma used to do. And then she told me about the hippie, free love gang-bangs.
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Male 599
@tatervent
Except we do know what was really happening. That was the point of this video. The little brats were preventing the police from doing their job.
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Male 15,832
highonhuffin [quote]I find it hypocritical...[/quote]
You obviously don`t know what that word means. Maybe you should stick to words of three syllables or less.
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Male 15,832
This doesn`t change my perception at all. I`ve always thought that these stupid little turds should have been pepper-sprayed, beaten like circus chimps, and then dragged away and charged with criminal trespass and felony resisting arrest. F** `em!
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Male 373
None of you know what was really happening and none of you know the legality of the students or police actions. I find that humorous.
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Male 180
I find it hypocritical (though humorous) that the right-wing, conservative imbeciles that whine about too much government interference and the trampling of the constitution are ok with this type of behavior from the police.
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Male 104
It changes my perception. I assumed they had been warned, but to see the cop tell each one individually to make sure they understood the consequences puts him in a better light.
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Male 341
He did not use excessive force. The officer made it very clear that if they did not move they will be removed. Rather than risk a physical confrontation he used a mild chemical crowd control agent. Sure, their eyes and noses burned for a while, but in about two hours all symptoms are gone. A very professional job all around.
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Male 3,369
@sevenups: People who support a corrupt system where our votes essentially mean nothing are, IMO, quite frankly un-American. Yes, I see your point, and perhaps being more civil will encourage more dialogue, so that`s why I`m happily posting your link again. Thanks to sevenups for this.
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Male 39,904

I can`t wait for things to escelate.
It`s gonna be fun.
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Male 159
I had assumed he had warned them, so no, it didn`t change my opinion. I still consider it excessive force.
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Female 57
When asked "do you understand that if you do not move we will have to use force" they all nodded yes.
When they chose to stay they knew what was coming; for the most part anyway. It is like they want it to happen so they can whine. Silly whiny babies.
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Male 599
@Madest
What the hell is that semicolon doing there?
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Male 1,073
end to my post below:

The 9th Circuit doesn`t make law, they interpret it. And they don`t have the last word.
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Male 1,073
Secondly, as I said above, they didn`t make a decision on the use of pepper spray. They offered their opinion on it while reaching their decision in the case, but the appeal before them was whether the police officer should have been granted immunity.

Lastly, there`s a lot of people in between the officer on the beat and the 9th Circuit. Local, county and state law enforcement and courts. I guess none of them `know the law` as you put it. I consider myself in good company considering before today I didn`t care too much about it...
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Male 1,073
@madest: Interesting citation (finally!). If you read the decision you will see some significant differences in that case. First, that person was offered no warning. Second, there was no threat to the officer (here the officers are surrounded and it is very subjective as to how threatened they felt).

The case that was decided had to do with whether the officer was properly granted immunity from the subject`s lawsuit. They decided no, he shouldn`t have been granted immunity.

Additionally, since this was a very recent case, the UC Davis police could have been acting in compliance with then-current policy.

If there`s a lawsuit, the courts will figure it out.

Your last comment is characteristicly silly. If the police don`t know the law then nettech98 doesn`t either. First off, the 9th Circuit doesn`
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Male 181
What`s funny is that even if police procedure changes, people will STILL complain about what ever they change it to, thats the main point for people who constantly whine and cry about everything, apperently people want to police to do absolutly nothing..

Please, remind them about that if you ever actually need them.
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Male 39,904

[quote]I doubt you would lie down and take it like a trick at a Gerry1of1 summer pride party.
[/quote]
5Cats - [quote]"@Gerry1of1 are you going to stand for his denigration of your sexual orientation?" [/quote]
I cannot tell a lie, it is a fairly accurate account of what happened to him at the party. No one seemed to mind at the time.
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Male 7,378
Yer irvan, I did. But as so many judges like to point out; Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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Male 181
@ivran lol
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Male 599
@madest

Did you actually read that article you posted?
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Male 181
I still find it hilarious that people complain about pepper spray, PLEASE go to another country where they just straight up beat the living crap out of you with hardly any warning.
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Male 40,739
[quote]Good lord 5Cats it was a joke. I would have laughed if it had been from the left or the right.[/quote]
Ah @Markust123, a fine example of "liberal double standard" there chum!
iirc, you`ve pounced on the smallest mis-speaking of right wingers with a vengance, but if @madest openly uses homosmack, that`s OK?
Nice!
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Male 7,378
9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled use of pepper-spray in this manner is indeed unconstitutional. TL;DR (DW) The 9th Circuit held that the use of pepper spray must be justified in the same way that tazers are used. That standard is very high. This does not meet the minimum of standards. If the police don`t know the law you can rest assured nettech98 doesn`t either.
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Male 181
I keep trying to tell people, this is SOP for police,they we`re braking the law by failing to comply with a police order, they we`re warned, they knew what was going to happen, they CHOSE to stay So they brought it on themselves.

Yet people still complain, and still whine about it, Over supporters for some reason think that there will be absolutly NO consequences, and cry out police burtality.....pepper spray is one of the least brutal ways to use force....But some people view ANY means as burtal.
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Male 1,073
No jacman they obviously wouldn`t shoot. There is an escalating scale of use of force. A standard one goes like this (from Wikipedia):

1. Physical Presence
2. Soft Hands
3. Mace or Pepper Spray
(A K-9 unit would fall here)
4. Hard Hands
5. Police Baton, Taser, etc.
6. Threat of Deadly Force
7. Deadly Force


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Male 14
Pepper spray is to be used in leu of lethal force. so, if the cops didn`t have pepper spray, would they shoot the protesters?
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Male 1,073
@city: so where would you draw the line on civil disobedience? What in your mind is ok or not? When it`s not ok what can be done to stop it?
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Male 525
Can we at least agree that madest and 5Cats are not indicative of everyone from the left and everyone from the right respectively?
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Male 379
@kitteh9lives
no. it doesn`t change my perception at all, actually. everyone already knew they were warned, jackass. the criticism is because there is no threat from kids sitting on the ground. defend the use of pepper spray all you want, civil disobedience of this nature does not warrant any kind of force.
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Male 1,073
@skull: The difference is they were police who were called to the scene, issued a lawful order, and were ignored.
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Male 2,419
Pepper Spray - essentially a food product, people eat peppers
Cyanide - essentially a food product, it`s found in some foods and even illegally used to catch fish
Poison - essentially a food product, what? people eat snakes
Semen - essentially a food product, it`s full of nutrients
Mould - essentially a food product, it grows on food
Lead - essentially a food product, the romans were using it for years
Feces - essentially a food product, japan is turning it into `meat`
Fox News - essentially feces
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Male 936
just because they warned them that doesnt mean what they did was justified....

i can walk up to you and say "hey, if you don`t give me that door buster x-box I will pepper spray you" - still doesnt make it right.

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Male 5,189
Boo drating who they got sprayed. They`ll survive.
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Male 5,004
Good lord 5Cats it was a joke. I would have laughed if it had been from the left or the right.

When I came out to my conservative father the first thing he said after reassuring me that nothing had changed and that he loved me just as much as the day before was, "Don`t expect me to stop telling gay jokes." It was funny and such a good ice breaker. But more important he was saying that you need to be able to laugh at yourself to get by in life.
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Male 2,790
no because i already knew he warned them. stupid
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Male 756
"obviously the best way to solve every and all situations is by excessive force."-the police force
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Male 2,419
@captkava
what is with all these `ows` comments on this students protesting tuition fees post?
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Male 40,739
[quote]I doubt you would lie down and take it like a trick at a Gerry1of1 summer pride party.[/quote]
@madest has lower himself to HOMOSMACK?
@Gerry1of1 are you going to stand for his denigration of your sexual orientation?

It always amazes me that lefties claim to be on the side of non-bigotry, but are the FIRST to actually use racist, sexist or homophobic insults & slanders.

Well done @madest! You`re a credit to the left!
[quote]You have to be on their side![/quote]
Ah the left! Always knows what`s best for us!

[quote]I know what side you`d be on if this were 1930`s Germany.[/quote]
And then he cries NAZI! Oh @madest, you`re too smart for IAB, please go elsewhere.
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Male 257
what is it with all these "hippy" comments on the ows posts?! do you all have the emotional intelligence of cartman?
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Male 33
@Taco4brksfst, sounds like you`re an f`nn neo fascist that still hasn`t learned anything on your way to get an education. By the cut of your jib, sounds like your the type that will go to some cheap police academy, in hopes to get your gun and badge and then serve up a big dose of pepper spray on people just to get your goo off! You`re a dick.
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Male 525
defiythelie: Distinction without a difference. They were forcibly in the sidewalk.

You pedantic retard.
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Male 871
wasnt the concern more about the fact they used the pepper spray which as I understand it is to be used against violent criminals etc... when there was no violence shown by the protestors?
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Male 599
@I-IS-BORED
What do Republicans or walking on grass have to do with this video? That comment is completely unrelated.
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Male 620
hippies get off the walkway, im trying to go to school.


They broke rules, They were warned. No sympathy here, its rather unfortunate this officer is catching so much flack for doing his job by the book.

I-a-b`ers, i`d bet you guys are the type that will yell at the store clerk when they ask you to show id when purchasing liquor/tobbacco, aren`t you?


"police state" lmfao. Try harder, iab. Better yet, go get a job.

Sincerely,
taco.
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Male 2,419
What is it with republicans and being afraid of walking on grass? It won`t kill you, we promise.
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Male 1,073
Madest, just for kicks, have you ever taken an oath to support and defend the Constituion of the United States?
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Male 1,073
@madest: Only someone so insecure must feel the need to call everyone names like a 5 year old.

I don`t claim `to know so much` about the laws, but I do have some knowledge and before I post I verify everything.

Please cite what I personally have said that wipes away so much of the 1st and 4th amendments.

In fact, why don`t you cite any fact that I`ve posted that isn`t true...

You continue to tell everyone they`re wrong (your opinion) but fail to back it up with any facts.
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Male 599
Okay, let`s see. They blocked a walkway on a college campus. They held on to each other so the police couldn`t remove them. They circled around the police to prevent them from taking their arrested friends to jail. Then they whined and cried when the police sprayed them with what appears to be weak pepper spray?

Peacefully assembling is legal.
Disobeying legal police orders and interfering with arrests are not.

I`m sorry occupiers, but I do not see how you can justify this.
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Male 934
I don`t blame Pike. It`s his job, and the right to peaceably assemble IS NOT the right to do it anywhere at anytime. You`re free to speak out, not to obstruct paths. They were clearly warned. The pepper spray is a safer means of lowering their resistance than batons.

People who are holding up this video as an instance of a police state are sensationalizing this. When the police ask you politely to do something reasonable like please move, you comply. I`m HUGE on personal freedoms, but you also need to cooperate with the police in such instances.
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Male 1,073
@defi: Would you please explain the simple process of unhooking an unwilling person`s arms and simply moving them? Without the use of force of course...

Keep in mind that you can`t do it just once. The circle will close again...

Also keep in mind that this is someone that is intentionally blocking YOUR way, and has already disobeyed a lawful order to stop it.

It must be so simple we`re all missing it...
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Male 7,378
You sicken me nettech. I`m embarrassed that someone from my generation and my corner of the world could be so incredibly ignorant of the laws he pretends to know so much about. Your bloviating has so far wiped the constitution clean of any of it`s 1st and 4th amendments. Forget Egypt, I know what side you`d be on if this were 1930`s Germany. Douchebag.
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Male 2,419
"I`m going to kill you if you don`t shoot yourself"
see I warned you
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Male 9
nettech98

I agree, but where they arrested or detain. That is a big difference. Which the video doesn`t show one way or the other. So if they were detain than asking for their release is not a problem.
They were encircle because they were restricting their rights in their eyes. Plus do you really believe that if the police were going to leave that they couldn`t. I mean they have guns, pepper spray, riot gear, etc. As far as I saw the protester only had their voice and bodies. I wonder who would have won.
Have you seen the police leave the scene yet? They were not chase down they left peacefully once they decided to leave. Yea some protest cursed at them and the majority cheer after they left. But the police could have done that before pepper spraying them. The job was to remove the encampment. I have yet to see anything saying the encampment was still up at this point and the protester were getting in the way of their jobs. I have herd the opposite. SO I would love t
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Male 230
M_Archer - "Police officers are SUPPOSE to use force in retaliation; THAT`S THE POINT OF THE POLICE. The students were forcibly occupying the street; the police asked them nicely to leave. I can`t believe how surprised people are when the cop pepper sprays people using force against them."
You are an idiot, they were not in the street, they were on the sidewalk of a school they all paid to attend and lived on that property.


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Male 1,073
@madest: we don`t have to be on their side. We are a nation of rules and laws. You can`t just do what you want when you want.

We do have certain rights granted to us, but those rights can be regulated. For example, many places require you to procure a permit for an assembly/protest/march. That has not taken your right away, but regulated it.

UC Davis had an incident in November 2009 where student protesters decided to ignore the warning that Mrak Hall was then closed to the public at 5PM. 52 students were arrested for trespassing. What at 4:59PM was allowed, at 5PM wasn`t. Were their constitutional rights taken away? Nope.

And if my kid "got a broken rib from a billy club" after disobeying a lawful order from law enforcement I would tell him he got what he asked for.
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Male 230
No it does not change my view of it. The pepper spraying was uncalled for. All they had to do was go up to each protester that would not move one at a time and move them or arrest them.
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Male 9
here a good article for people to read by The Guardian for people who agree, disagree, or do not know what the movement is about really

The Shocking Truth about the crackdown

again if you disagree I accept your position because you have that right and enjoy debating with you. That is what our country should do instead of just arguing with each other. Build on each other ideas, share them, and disagree peacefully if it comes down to it.
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Male 1,073
@sevenups: wow so much speculation all in one post!

Doesn`t matter why the others were arrested. Once they`re arrested it`s up to the judge. No amount of pleading, negotiating at the scene, protesting, etc. is going to get them released. It just doesn`t work that way!

You`re making a huge leap that any arrest was unlawful. Let`s say it was unlawful. Our buddy just got arrested for no reason at all. These cops are crazy. You would try and negotiate them? Encircle them? Protest them? A reasonable person could figure out pretty quickly that if someone just got arrested for -no- reason, and you -give- them a reason, you`re going too.

Me? I`m going to take the smart route. I`m going to record it if I safely can. I might go to the press, but I`m going to stay out of jail so I can get my buddy out, find him a lawyer, call the ACLU, whatever...
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Male 7,378
All you American right wing zealots and fellow IABers, Open your eyes. Each and every one of you would scream bloody murder and cry to your respective daddies had you lost any of your constitutionally protected rights. I doubt you would lie down and take it like a trick at a Gerry1of1 summer pride party. Whatever the reasoning behind their protest these kids (and professors) are your fellow Americans, exercising their first amendment rights. You have to be on their side! It is in fact an American requirement. If your kid was at that school and got a broken rib from a billy club you would sue the university like a Kardashian lawyer. Your cheering and excuse making for this police action is appalling. In fact it scares me. I`m wondering what side you`d be on if you were Egyptian...
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Male 9
nettech98

I agree with you about the negotiate but do you know why the person was arrested or detain. Nope and i bet you dont either.
Something to think on. if you or a friend of your were detain or arrested with out cause would you not also try to get them released or would you accept the unlawful arrest?

Again I do not know what the people were detain for. Maybe the punch a police officer or maybe they were their chanting and a officer took it upon him self to shut them up and arrested him on bogus crimes that happen all the time in protest and every day life. But if you have good proof of why they were detain than please share it.
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Male 40,739
[quote]@5Cats: You can come to my house and stand on the public street right there and protest me all you want![/quote]
Thanks @Smaugboy! Can I still have sammiches and beers? lolz!
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Male 5,004
I love the "What were they protesting?" comments. My mom said the same thing a few days ago. This is the big conservative talking point that has been burned into people`s heads. Watch the conservative shows, you will see this phrase repeated and repeated. The results - one more phrase the parrots have learned.
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CrakrJak

You assuming that they wouldn`t let them leave. Right after saying that I shouldn`t assume that the protester would let them leave. So why do you get to assume they would attack and not let the police leave but I can not assume that the protester would stick to what they say and let them leave since that is what they were wanting them to do any how. Can you clarify.
I agree with you by the way I`m glad their is video coming out that is unedited. That something that most main stream media will not do. Thankful for the internet. I am glad the officer gave them more of a warning. That is why I do not get my news from strictly main stream media. Have you seen the video of the police actually leaving yet though?
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Male 17,511
Good one there Gerry. :-)
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Male 9
By the way to anybody who say the Constitution does not give the right to protest. Read it again.

Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So by limiting the protest you are fringing on freedom of speech, freedom to peaceably assemble, and freedom to petition the government

I would agree if they were going out and damaging private property or limiting other rights than sure they should be restricted. However they are not. Some may have but the majority do not support nor do I.
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Male 1,073
@sevenups: "At about the 47 second mark the protest tell the police that they would let them leave"

While they did say that, if you listen to the whole chant you will hear that they were attempting to negotiate the release of someone held by the police. The whole chant was "If you release them, we will let you go. If you release them, we will continue to protest peacefully."

They have encircled the police and are attempting to negotiate? When`s the last time that worked well for someone??
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Male 525
Gerry: Mmm...! Sounds tasty and justified!
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Male 39,904

FESTIVE HOLIDAY PROTESTER

First, pre-season the protester with pepper spray.
If it`s a particularly tough protester you may tenderize with a club, tazer, or both.
Then truss the protester securly and leave and a cool, dry place overnight.
This allows the protester to marinate in it`s own juices until tender and pliable.

Repeat for each additional protester.
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Male 17,511
sevenups: That`s not very believable, your assertions they were going to let the police leave, especially when they were chanting, very loudly I might add, that they were not going to let them leave.

They were asking for it, taunted them, and then got what they wanted, an edited one minute video to put up on youtube and falsely claim police brutality with.

Thankfully others have came forward with unedited footage of these protesters idiocy.
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Male 9
to jtrebowski
I believe they have the right to protest. I also believe what they stand for should be a main concern for all Americans. But please dont switch to action like people opposing the movement and make comments like

"All you right-wingers who are defending our system of corporations having control over our politicians: You have lost your right to call yourselves "Americans". Please leave."

This makes no rational argument. And they have as much right as you do to post comment. They have every right as an American to disagree. I do not like when either side make comments that are just badmouthing the other side and not debating them. The movement is about change and getting people to wake up and discuss the concerns and its working. Even if people are making rude pointless comments. They may look more into it to see what happening or if you put a good front up they may debate you which is what is needed.
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Male 1,073
@madest: It is you who are witless.

Take for example a town hall meeting, or a concert. They are assemblies but not protests. You do not even need an assembly to have a protest.

Apology accepted.
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Male 525
In what universe was that excessive force used by the police officer?

Police officers are SUPPOSE to use force in retaliation; THAT`S THE POINT OF THE POLICE. The students were forcibly occupying the street; the police asked them nicely to leave. I can`t believe how surprised people are when the cop pepper sprays people using force against them.
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Male 3,369
@Crakrjak: yeah, cuz combat-trained policemen with chemicals, billy-clubs and full riot gear don`t stand a chance against a few college students. Wow.
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Male 1,073
Check out this interview with one of the students where she admits their actions were to protest and intimidate the police.
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Male 3,369
All you right-wingers who are defending our system of corporations having control over our politicians: You have lost your right to call yourselves "Americans". Please leave.
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Male 9
to CrakrJak:
They were entrapped. Really? watch the video again. At about the 47 second mark the protest tell the police that they would let them leave. Also if you watch other videos. I saw one where after they spray the police got in a formation to back out of the area because the number grew larger and restless after seeing students getting treated that way. After marching out and the protester follow them out for a while. They then stop and offer police the option to leave again. Which the police decided after some time to leave and they turn their backs and walked away with no harm on them.

Also mention that the police were their to break up the camp. From what I have saw and read the pepper spray happen after the encampment was broken down already. So can you explain why their was a need to pepper spray people doing a sitting protest. I have seen other cites break up camps with little force.
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Male 143
They were impeding police work. He just described to them that the police car was coming to pick up kids they arrested, and apparently, that the rest of the students wanted to set free. They deserved it. And if this was on a college campus, the school probably called the police to break up the riots. Thankfully, I go to a school where we settle matters we don`t agree with through the Student Senate, Student Courts, and administration; it works out pretty well and no one gets hurt.
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Male 341
f uck you roariamadino.. iab shouldn`t have a stance.. They arent Fox News or 700 club..
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Male 7,378
[quote]There is no explicit `right to protest` in the Constitution. There is freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of association, among others.[/quote] ------------
Duh... That`s what "assembly" means, witless.
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Male 1,073
@sevenups: There is no explicit `right to protest` in the Constitution. There is freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of association, among others.

Each of these freedoms is not absolute. You can`t assemble whenever, wherever, and however you want. You can`t yell fire in a crowded theater.

If you break the rules/laws (including `wearing out your welcome` and being deemed trespassing) you subject yourself to the consequences.
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Male 272
f uck you iab. you need to get your stance straightened.
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Male 9
You may also want to be worried about having your rights such as freedom of the press removed or limited. Read the news and you will see in places like New York, journalist are shown being arrested, beaten, etc for trying to cover the occupy movement when police move in to remove the protest. The police also set up an small area away from the `action` of the police breaking up the camp for the media to stay in. I wonder if it so people would not see the excessive force used or just like to limit people freedoms. But no it was for their safety apparently. Safety from the police them self and not the protesters from the videos shown online.
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Male 17,511
Victory7: Enjoy getting arrested quite frequently then, for not obeying an officers lawful orders.
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Male 17,511
sevenups: It, the constitution, doesn`t give people the right to entrap police, threaten them, and block access to the sidewalk there.

They WERE BREAKING THE LAW and got less punishment than they deserved.
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Male 362
@scheckydamon
I am not obligated to obey everything a police officer tells me to do.
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Male 4
stupid protesters... i say good job to the peper spray. gettin poo done like a boss. could have used rubber pellets too.
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Male 9
I think the better question to ask, is should we really follow the Constitution which is pose to be the supreme law of the land. The constitution allows citizens to have the right to protest anything they believe is wrong. As far as well its illegal protest. Would mean that citizen`s Constitutional rights are capable to be limited by the government and require a permit now to carry them out. Now as far as the camping go. I am natural on that because there are ordinances not laws against it but they claiming they occupy as a protest so let the courts decide it. Also another important factor to remember, that when the founding father sign the Declaration of Independence and went to war. They committed treason to the crown and would have been hung or arrested if they lost. But lets make a big deal about them breaking the minor laws with civil disobedience. I challenge anybody against the movement to go down and ask why they protesting and debate with them instead of badmouthing them.
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Male 1,293
con_uk

Shut up. You are making British people look like idiots. To the rest of you, this f`wit is not representative.
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Male 1,293
Pepper spray is far less likely to cause lasting injury to either party than physically moving the spoilt little brats. Personally I would not cry for them, but it is a sound solution.

Danagamer

These people were allowed to protest. What is your point?

US citizens also have a right to use the public rights of way and other facilities.
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Male 3,060
I say it was a good call. Bravo.
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Male 168
Nooo i want to watch, broken.
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Male 95
Still a dick move.
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Male 2,690
Video isn`t working now.

"He could have just taken them into custody; arrested them for not obeying a direct order, they looked like they would have gone peaceably. No mace necessary, and nobody gets hurt. This guy just wanted to screw over some people he found annoying, he wanted to teach them a lesson. Bad decision is still a bad decision. "

Is this your first time hearing/seeing anything about this incident? They COULD NOT take anyone into custody because of the actions of the protesters. They linked arms so that they could not be picked up and carried away. The pepper spray (which seems pretty diluted in this case) was the force necessary to break them free from making themselves incapable of being removed and was the CORRECT decision.

Plain and simple, these kids were doing illegal poo because they`re parents didn`t spoil them enough and deserved what came to them. And I`m far from spoiled myself and work my ass off making
barely $8 a ho
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Male 1,336
Sorry but while a university, in this case a state university, may well be public property I can bet my masters degree there is some sort of legal-eze type sign at all entrances that states the campus is for the exclusive use of the students and faculty, which implies a peaceful and legal ( read permit ) use of such. How many were outside douches agitating the crowd. Also, right or wrong, like it or not, if a cop tells you to do something you do it then ask why later. This is your obligation as a RESPONSIBLE citizen. By living here, using tax supported venues ( campus ), participating in the vote and all the things that come from and are to be expected by a CITIZEN, you imply that you agree to all of the requirements that come with being that citizen. OWS movement, want to whine and complain and protest,go somewhere else. Spoiled California kids, STFU and pay your whole tuition. Then maybe you would think about those professors and their salaries and the useless things you`re learning.
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Male 554
should have used rubber bullets AND spray...

Does anyone really think these "protesters" are going to accomplish anything?

No.

These people are tools, no different than the bankers and lobbyist.... same coin, opposite sides.

Want to changes things, put down your starbucks ,your iphone ,your glowsticks and your hipster passive aggressive attitude and go DO SOMETHING !

..bunch of phuktards.
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Male 469
So they were breaking the law and some of you expect the police to just allow them to continue to do so then? How would you get rid of them?
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Male 1,449
Protesting is one thing, blocking a pathway to prevent people from passing is totally another.
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Male 17,511
con_uk and others: They had these UC Davis police surrounded and this video proves it, the protesters were chanting "Let them break free", "We won`t let you leave", etc.

These protesters blocking the police should`ve all got sprayed down, thoroughly. It`s just too bad that Febreeze doesn`t make an industrial size bottle big enough to get the job done.
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Female 262
He could have just taken them into custody; arrested them for not obeying a direct order, they looked like they would have gone peaceably. No mace necessary, and nobody gets hurt. This guy just wanted to screw over some people he found annoying, he wanted to teach them a lesson. Bad decision is still a bad decision.
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Male 701
It`s a college campus. It`s the right of every US citizen to protest.
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Male 4,431
@5Cats: You can come to my house and stand on the public street right there and protest me all you want! You have that right. If you come onto my private property, however, I have a right to, a) ask you to leave, and then, b) if you don`t, request the police to come remove you if you ate too many sandwiches.

However, if option b occurred, I would still expect the police to use appropriate force in removing you. If you just flopped on the floor, should they be allowed to, beat you with night sticks until you decided to leave?

Protesting on public property is a right that everyone has. Just because you don`t agree with them (and that`s fine, you have that right) still doesn`t make them wrong, and it still doesn`t justify force in removing them.
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Male 6,737
So if I warn someone before I shoot them, it makes it ok?

What a load of bullpoo.
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Male 483
It`s great that he warned them, but the force used was unnecessary given the relatively peaceful nature of the protest
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Male 612
should have just put a bullet in a one of them, then they at least have a legitimate case to complain about.
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Male 40,739
"pepper spray is to be used on non compliant people in order to subdue them. - @tedgp"

THIS! ftw.

They came there in order to get arrested; not to "protest" not to be "peaceful" they wanted confrontation and that`s what they got! Poor suckie-babies got a face full of orange spray? TOO BAD! Look at Syria and Egypt and then complain about "police brutality" m-kay?

@con_uk and @Smaugboy: Okie then! I`m comming to your houses and protesting in your kitchens! Please to have sammiches and beers ready. Also I`m bringing 20-30 hippies with me, since y`all support illegal protests I`m certain you won`t call the cops or anything...
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Male 92
there is no such thing as an illegal protest, you fascist morons... you either have the right to breathe, elect and protest in a country or you have no right at all...
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Male 346
If they didn`t want to get pepper sprayed, they had a chance to leave...He quite clearly told each and every one of them and they accepted it.
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Male 4,431
But they WEREN`T breaking the law! That`s public property. They are students of the university. They have a RIGHT to assemble. We, as American citizens, have a drating RIGHT to assemble. Just because you don`t like why they were assembled there doesn`t make what they were doing illegal or against the law.
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Male 128
Excessive force is still excessive force, regardless of wether or not people were "warned".
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Male 76
I said from the start the idiots shouldn`t block a public pathway for their `protest`, more like a mob to me.
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Male 68
It simply was not legal.

http://youtu.be/1N6mBckWAGw
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Male 3,285
Disobey an officer when you are part of an illegal `protest`, and expect forceful measures to remove you from the area. Simple.

Also, pepper spray is to be used on non compliant people in order to subdue them.

The illegal protesters were completely non compliant, so the officer had no choice but to use force to remove them and uphold the state law.

Please, stop preaching until you actually know what the hell you are talking about.
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Male 3,369
All this does is further prove that the resolve of the 99% is stronger than ever.
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Male 3,331
"This makes the cops no less in the wrong."

I disagree. He did everything he could to get those kids to move without using force. He had to get them to move, as it was an illegal gathering (you have the right to gather, but you need a permit, people). His use of force was still excessive, but he calmly, and politely, made sure that everyone knew what was coming. Those kids chose to stay and take the force to make their point.
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Male 2,868
It has already been established in federal court that that using pepper spray on non-violent demonstrators who are disobeying police orders constitutes excessive force. Pepper spray is intended for use against people who pose an immediate threat to the public`s or to the officers` safety.

@Shelworth- if you`d bother to get your information about Occupy for somewhere other than the mainstream media, you`d know what these protests are about. In a nutshell, they`re protesting the fact that through lobbying and campaign contributions, corporations are effectively able to write legislation favorable to their own interests. They`re protesting the fact that we have an elected government that represents the interests of the wealthiest 1% of Americans.
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Male 721
i thought pepperspray was to stop violent criminals and disperse riots? shouldnt they at least stand them up and pull them away first?
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Male 599
@BBJellyFish
Why the hell were they protesting tuition hikes on the college campus? As a public school, the tuition increases were probably due to external issues like a decrease in funding.
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Male 1,440
It was not excessive force, the police could have used their batons which would have been worse, but the protesters were breaking the law, they had a choice to move or accept the punishment that was going to be given (pepper spray in this case).
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Male 550
@Shelworth

They were protesting the Tuition hikes. So what they were trying to accomplish was to get the Tuition lowered. I don`t see how they`re idiots. Why do you do a little research before you start insulting people who are fighting for their rights. Dumba/ss.
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Male 559
This makes the cops no less in the wrong.

If I warn you that I am going to hurt you for not doing anything, then I fulfill my warning, I am no less in the wrong for hurting you because you still weren`t doing anything wrong.
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Male 546
I guess they could have physically just picked them up?

I do get a kick out of all the people with their cameras recording the event. Can`t you just see all of them running to post it on the net?

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Male 2,591
Ok listen up, I am now going to punch you all in the face if you all do not stop blinking. I`ve warned you first, so that makes it ok for me to rock your jaw.
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Male 718
i dont give a whores non-nice individual if a couple of them was WARNED or NOT. they was PEPPERSPRAYED for sitting in a LINE! pepperspray just like being TASED should not be used just to harm the person the cops do not LIKE. it should be used to keep violent offenders from hurting innocent citizens LIKE IT WAS MADE FOR!
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Male 502
What were they protesting? What were they trying to accomplish? All they`re doing is convincing main stream America that they`re idiots.
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Male 15,261
Regardless, it was excessive force unless the protesters were in imminent danger of seriously harming themselves, the police, or the public. Tasers and pepper spray isn`t a convenience tool.
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Male 7,378
Silly post, silly caption is just silly. Retard logic.

Removing my comment because you disapprove is also silly. I can do this all day. Ban me if it bothers you so.
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Male 3,208
No, it does not. Informing someone that you intend to infringe on their rights by using excessive force, does not mitigate the fact that you`ve infringed on their civil rights by deploying excessive force. That is circular logic based on a flawed premise.
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Female 8,043
Link: Proof That Lt Pike Warned UC Davis Protesters [Rate Link] - Pike warned them to move.Does this change your perception of the incident at all, or was it still excessive force I-A-B?
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