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  1. Profile photo of Rested
    Rested Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    Link: Occupy Wall Street Vs. The Tea Party - It`s a face off. Who stands for what and how do these numbers compare. A full breakdown of both camps.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:23 pm
    Very abbreviated, sadly.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    Seems like a balanced chart. Seems true from what I can tell.
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    but but but i thought all the OWS people were dumb and lazy
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    Hightech90 Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    I paid attention until I saw "racists". Then I stopped. Surely people want Obama out of office for some reason other than the fact that he is half black. The people who voted for him are still trying to deny the fact that he just sucks as a president. Ron Paul 2012
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    Scattered misinformation/out of date information here. Need to update a couple of things. As of November 28th:

    Tea Party agree = 44%
    Tea Party disagree = 48%
    OWS agree = 39%
    OWS disagree = 55%

    Source = Rasmussen Reports

    Also, number of racist comments/views found/video taped/proven among Tea Party supporters = 0.
    Number of anti-semitic comments/views actually video taped and available for all to see = dozens, if not hundreds.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    Calling bullsh|t on the public opinion poll and size numbers, as well as several of the other false generalizations. Protesters outside the US should not have been included.

    They also didn`t include the OWS protesters parents wealth, since most of them are still in college and supported by their parents.
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    krisley Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:45 pm
    The best part to me was the stereotype part. A radical a piece, a semi-radical a piece, and one sane-ish person a piece.
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    Intaresting Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:47 pm
    It`s even scientifically accurate too!
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:50 pm
    They need to also make a chart for "Trash Left on the Ground After a Protest". The OWS side would be in the "tons" while the Tea Party would have "slim to none".

    Also notice the arrests segment. That`s all I`m going to say about that. That`s all I need to say about that.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    Hipsters and Racists can eat a bag of dicks.
    I can sympathize with both sides of the middle class American.
    Unemployed college grad, that`s your own damn fault.
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    PacoP42 Male 13-17
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    long live the conservative libertarians!
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    Arcval Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:04 pm
    Oh Crakrjack, you call bull on anything that you don`t already completely agree with.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    They also didn`t include the OWS protesters parents wealth, since most of them are still in college and supported by their parents.
    According to this (assuming it`s accurate), 70% of them are employed.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    "Also notice the arrests segment."
    This isn`t difficult to explain. First, notice the amount of people. More people = more likely to be arrested. Also, notice which movements had support from whom. The rich generally favored the tea party because the tea party was working for them. The rich support police departments. Therefore, the police don`t see much of a problem with the tea party.

    On the other hand, the rich don`t typically like the occupy movement. The police are given incentives or instructions by people do clear out peaceful protestors. Peaceful protestors doing nothing wrong, feel they should be able to stay. Therefore, they technically are disobeying the law (even though it`s their constitutional right to protest) and can be arrested. The civil rights movement resulted in a lot of arrests and I`m sure you don`t think the movement was bad or the people were wrong because of that.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    "I paid attention until I saw "racists"."

    So the "hipster" category for OWS didn`t bother you? It was only until the very stereotypical view of the movement you support was mentioned that you were bothered, right? `Cause guess what, no matter what Fox News tells you, the majority of OWS protestors don`t fit the "hispter" category much like many of the tea partiers don`t fit the "racist" category. But both categories do exist, and it`s only fair to mention both.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    "Protesters outside the US should not have been included. "
    Why not? It shows that the OWS movement has large support from different countries. Whereas the tea party movement wasn`t really viewed favorably by other countries. Other countries have the benefits of not being constantly told by the mainstream media (fox news inclusive) lies about the OWS movement.
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    InTheNameOf Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    Michael Moore is a politician?
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    WeePee Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:39 pm
    i`d much rather be stereotyped as a racist then a hipster.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    Lillian, since there are no hard numbers for "Total Amount of People Invooved in " (group), I will take the numbers of "Largest amount of people at one protest": taking people involved divided by arrests, we can see that ten times more people got arrested for the OWS than for the TP. And seeing how the OWS has five times more people than the TP, more people have gotten arrested for the OWS per capita.

    Percentages give a better picture than straight hard numbers.

    All your other babble is conspiracy theory jargon. Now I`m not saying that there aren`t crooked cops but to say that every single arrest made against the OWS is made unlawfully is BS.

    If you were correct in your conspiracy theory, then why isn`t the number of arrest against the TP zero?
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    "If you were correct in your conspiracy theory, then why isn`t the number of arrest against the TP zero?"
    It`s not really a conspiracy theory when there`s proof of police getting involved because higher ups don`t agree with the movement. Take the very clear example of what happened when those people were peacefully protesting and the cops decided to spray them in the face with pepper spray. I don`t recall if they actually made arrests, but they weren`t doing anything at all illegal but the police punished them because they were told to, and the people weren`t complying with the police because it`s their constitutional right to protest.

    As for why the arrests for the TP aren`t zero, that`s because if someone is doing something that`s actually illegal, it`s necessary to arrest them. My point was that people are getting arrested for not complying with police, when the police are punishing them for doing nothing that`s illegal.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 4:52 pm
    And I`m not at all saying that none of the arrests were justified. It`s just that a LOT of people are being arrested when they weren`t doing anything wrong in the first place, simply for not doing what the police tells them (because the police is trying to infringe on their constitutional rights).
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    mulan182 Female 18-29
    305 posts
    November 28, 2011 at 4:58 pm
    since when did the tea party evolve into the KKK? just because i think obama is unqualified and his stimulus package was a waste, doesn`t mean i`m racist. what is racist is how he got into office in the first place. voting for a black dude simply cuz he black, nigga pleez!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:00 pm
    Partisan post is partisan.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:02 pm
    Complete and utter bullshiite. Where is this from, MoveOn.org???
    Tea Party is "upper middle class"?? Didn`t the MSM say they were all trailer-park rednecks? Why the sudden change?
    Labeling ONE SIDE as "the racist" is a dead give-away, only libtards will like this crapola.

    I`m off to read how much @madest LOVES this! lolz!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:09 pm
    You can tell this was created by an OWS supporter. I`m calling BS on the whole thing. If you are going to talk stereotypes, sure the stereotype for the Tea Party is that they are a bunch of racists. Again we are talking stereotypes not facts. The caption clearly reads "stereotypes". But where is the stereotype that the OWS protesters are a bunch of dirty hippies? That was conveniently left out. Because of this I can`t trust one bit of this post.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:10 pm
    @LillianDulci: your ideas are truely weird.

    Other Catagories Not Covered:
    # of rapes
    Amount of pot smoked
    # of deaths
    % of anti-semetic signs
    # of communists, nazi and unionists "behind the scenes"

    I think THOSE would tell a more accurate tale.

    And as @Crakrjak mentioned:
    Tea Party Racism = 0
    #OWS = dozens, if not hundereds of proven events

    The "examples" of Tea Party Racism found on YouTube are all either completely bogus or "any question about Obama = racism!" type of thing. Remember: the left planned and carried out "false flag" attacks. Nothing of the sort was required against OWS - the facts will do just fine.
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:13 pm
    Just goes to show you that the statist OWS protesters resort to violence faster than the Tea Partiers.
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    Thdot Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:14 pm
    Michael Moore is not a politician.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    I only trust crowd numbers if pictures are taken from above and an actual count of each person is done by grid. You can not count a crowd from the ground. I was at the Obama Inauguration. At the time I was sure there was at least 2 Million people on the Mall but the experts put the crowd at 800,000. It took a bit but I finally accepted the number after reading how the count was performed.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:26 pm
    the racist

    stopped reading there, it has nothing to do with race. in fact there was a black who was going to run for president as a republican and he was almost fully supported. if there are racists, its about a 1%, about as many as people who have a job and house and are OWS
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    RuralNinja Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:33 pm
    Wow, I thought it would at least attempt to appear impartial. But nope, just idiotic dribble.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:44 pm
    @darkmagic14n
    STEREOTYPES
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Michael Moore is not a politician.
    Mitt Romney is right, this class warfare is dangerous...we outnumber the rich.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 5:50 pm
    People who are saying there was not a dark underbelly of racism in the Tea Party are lying. Yes for the most part the movement and the people were not racist. But the American`s who were racist against black people had to have lost their mind when a black man was elected President. And the Tea Party gave them a perfect cover to vent. Again I am saying most people in the Tea Party were not racists but there was that dark underbelly. Same thing as most people in OWS are productive citizens but there is a deep underbelly of homeless people who joined the rally so they could have a safe place to sleep. For both movements the extremes on both end were the ones who made it on the news. Sanity does not sell.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 6:22 pm
    those who are drating tired of reading about those subject say AAAAYYYYEee
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    Is Michael Moore the Secretary of Fast Food now?
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:04 pm
    I don`t think you can classify michael moore as a politician, but maybe that`s just me.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:06 pm
    @Markust: show us some "proof" (as best as the interwebs will allow, eh? Hense the quote marks) of Tea Party "racism".

    All those black, brown and yellow folks at TP rallies? Racism!
    All the anti-semetic signs, speaches and backers of the OWS? NOT Racism!

    Yeah right...
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:20 pm
    Tea Party didn`t have any racist people, yeah...
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:29 pm
    AAAAYYYYEee
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:32 pm
    All you want is a fight 5Cats. My comment was pretty reasonable. Yours is just delusional. Not going to bite. I`m off to have some fun with my friends.
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    ShroomGypsy Female 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:34 pm
    Finally, a factual analysis of the movements and their demographics! Why did it take so long to throw this out there?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:43 pm
    markust123-"People who are saying there was not a dark underbelly of racism in the Tea Party are lying."

    Translation: I got no proof but everybody `knows` they`re racist, right? Cuz I hate them and I can only hate them cuz they`re racist, right? (after all, we`re the party of tolorence) I mean, they can only dislike Obama (may His light shine) because they`re racist, right?

    Right?



    Right?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:46 pm
    ShroomGypsy-"Finally, a factual analysis of the movements and their demographics!"

    You have an interesting concept of the definition of `factual` and `analysis`.

    ShroomGypsy-"Why did it take so long to throw this out there?"

    Hmmm, maybe because it`s bullpoo and it took about 30 seconds to prove it neither `factual` or an `analysis`.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:49 pm
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    Is this what a dying movement does to try and create more action?
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    PirateWillis Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:08 pm
    This is totally biased, and the information depicted is based on that bias. Instead of getting your information from Infographics that no one researches on their own and do your own damn research. Also MeGrendel I`ve read a lot of your comments over time since we both seem to feel passionately about the same stuff. I like your arguments and comments; keep it up.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:23 pm
    Decided to check a couple of the cites on the graphic. The demographic study OWS numbers come from a survey of `people who visited the OWS Website on October 5th`.

    Of which, less than a quarter actually ATTENDED an OWS event.

    Seeing as most intelligent people tend to check out OTHER viewpoints or attempt to reseach things in order to discuss them rationally (liberals are not exactly known for similar actions), it`s safe to say that a decent portion of the visitors to the OWS site are probably Tea Party Members and/or conservatives, which would tend to weight the numbers.

    Graphic is biased, missreprentative and downright crap.

    I call bullpoo. (does it mean anything that I`m so used to the censure program on this site that I now automatically write `bullpoo` instead of `bull****` and let the program switch it?)
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:27 pm
    I`ll tell you one thing about the poster that seems off: The Tea Party Stereotypes. I have never for a moment considered the Tea Party to be Middle Class, let alone Upper Class. It was (is?) Lower Middle Class, through and through. Not that there`s anything wrong with that... :)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:35 pm
    @Markust123, yes your comment was "pretty reasonable" but nonetheless WRONG, as evidenced here:
    @LillianDulci: ah yes! The "photo video" lolz!
    OK for #1: the left planned and engaged in a conspiracy to "plant" leftist holding offensive signs in the Tea Party rallies. Thus any "photo evidence" without video is meaningless. Seconds after the offensive picture was taken, TP officals could have ordered the removal of the offending sign. Or this:

    You FAIL! Next!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:49 pm
    @5Cats: A "conspiracy." Whoooooo. By the "way," I "like" your "liberal" use of "quotation marks." It "makes" your posts so "much" more fun to "read." Not.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    It`s a FACT @Squirrelz, face it.

    Oh BTW I finally saw your letter getting posted! My PC imploded and I was off-line for a while, eh?

    Your attempt at "sarcasm" is and "utter fail" because you`ve avoided the issue and are flailing at a strawman, eh? (Note the lack of quotes there?)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:56 pm
    Yes @MeGrendel! Typing "bullpoo" means You Are ONE OF US!
    Bwaaa hahaha!

    (by that I mean a seasoned IABer, eh?)

    Awww poor @squirrelz! Offended by the truth, again!

    #2: (about the video) Objecting to Obama`s violation of the US Constitution is NOT racism! Objecting to his policies, politics or programs is NOT racism!
    I got more if you`re not thoroughly ashamed already...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:59 pm
    davymid: According to this (assuming it`s accurate), 70% of them are employed.

    Part-time work, internship, and community organizing doesn`t count as `work`, IMHO.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 9:03 pm
    @5Cats: Ahhh, 5Cats. Propagandize all you want, big guy. I`ve come to recognize that there`s nothing to be gained (and lots of time to be lost) by engaging with someone who`s a kitten short of a litter.

    At this point, I`m afraid you`re just a peculiar (and I do mean *peculiar*) form of entertainment.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 9:06 pm
    Nice try @Squirrelz, but your "epic fail" is still "duely noted" eh?

    Unless you got some bite to back up that bark? Boy you got nothing.

    See it`s not MY fault the OWS accepts the endorsement of the Nazi Party, SO SORRY if the truth offends you... not!
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 9:55 pm
    I`ve slowly come to the conclusion that America`s f*cked. It`s a nation so totally divided by partisanship that`s it`s going to implode. There`s no middle ground of a conversation and consensus to be reached, it`s full of on one side talk of "libtards", "leftists", "statists" and the "MSM". And on the other side of "republitards", "Faux News", "Racists" etc.

    I think Markust has it right. The media has divided the western world so much into a "us" and "them" (the "them" used to be competing nations. Now it`s people with different political/social/religious viewpoints within our own nations).

    And while we sit here rabidly diametrically opposing each other and getting nowhere, other countries (e.g. China) are all pulling the oars in the same direction for their country.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 9:59 pm
    This will be the downfall of America, and nations like it (I include my own, the UK).

    When we inevitably lose superpower status, it won`t be due to war. It won`t be due to economics. It won`t even be due to competency and work ethic of the average citizen.

    It`ll be because we`ve so set ourselves against our *perceived* internal boogeymen enemies that we let the rest of the wolf-pack run past us in the night while we`re still squabbling over a ragged bone. And all of a sudden, us once alpha-males find ourselves chasing to catch up. But by then, it`ll be too late.

    Sorry, waxed lyrical there. I was in the zone. But you get the point.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 10:00 pm
    The average Tea Partier makes more money but the average OWSer has more schooling? Sorry but something is amiss...
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    ccalhoun86 Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 10:02 pm
    @5cats
    Questioning Obama`s policies is not racist, being a jackass and publicly insulting the president and making a wildly false accusation that his birth certificate is a forgery and he has no right to be president is racist, and ignorant. Most of the grievances against Obama stem from racism, especially from the tea party. The tea party has no right to exist; based on this data supplied above, they`re mostly rich old retired bastards that just want to find a problem and gripe about it. Today`s economic woes effect them very little. At least the OWS has a purpose, even if they cant clearly define it. Ah, to try and solve the world`s unsolvable problems, or to find any means available to maintain your wealth while not looking like a greedy selfish douche. Who are you?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 28, 2011 at 10:12 pm
    @davymid I tend to agree with you in that regard.

    that his birth certificate is a forgery
    At the time @ccalhoun86, he had NOT produced it, which directly violated the US Constitution, m-kay? So the sign was correct, NOT racist and you are wrong.
    The tea party has no right to exist
    Nice! So tolerant you are! Open even...

    Oh, and the left NEVER insulted GW Bush eh? Never, not even once! LOLZ!
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 10:22 pm
    @Eric
    the Tea Party income would be inflated by the super rich that identify with them (people who want less regulating of their industries)
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 28, 2011 at 10:34 pm
    "At the time @ccalhoun86, he had NOT produced it"
    Really? They issued it in June 2007.

    `But wait! That was the short form!`
    "Hawaii stopped issuing the longer "Certificate" in 2001 when their birth records were "put into electronic files for consistent reporting", and therefore Hawaii "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate" A "record of live birth", partially handwritten and partially typed, was created and submitted in 1961 when Obama was born, and is "located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health". The document was used to create the state`s electronic records, and has been examined by state officials multiple times since the controversy began."

    It`s like "Oh credit card company. You didn`t send me a bill so I didn`t pay." when they sent you an electronic bill not a paper one because you signed up for electronic bil
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    chicagorob1 Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 10:58 pm
    Since when did Mike Moore become a politician? He is definitely good at making things up and lying to obscure the facts, but when was he ever elected?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 28, 2011 at 11:49 pm
    It starts out like it`s going to be an objective comparison; then it degenerates into a bunch of biased left-wing bull$#!+.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    November 29, 2011 at 12:24 am
    5Cats, are you in mental hospital? I really want to know. I`ve had this feeling for a while.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 29, 2011 at 2:44 am
    It starts out like it`s going to be an objective comparison; then it degenerates into a bunch of biased left-wing bull$#!+. ----------
    Yeah well it doesn`t matter what the facts are. Could have easily told you that more OWSers were employed than Teabaggers simply by the age of the people. Teabaggers are old like you ollie. Retired. Cranky. Teabagging wouldn`t catch on overseas because it`s not a populist movement. It`s a corporate movement. What`s it feel like having a Koch hand up your butt?
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    squoggle Female 18-29
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    November 29, 2011 at 3:25 am
    Forgetting the people protesting... doesn`t occupy wall street have the valid point - that the 1% in america have a crazy amount of money. It`s a bit of a hard game if only the 1% in america could protest and be listened to, because the rest of the 99% will be scrutinized
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    chance13 Male 40-49
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    November 29, 2011 at 4:27 am
    Yeah, any movement that has Michael Moore at the helm has to be good, right? ROFL!!!

    The simple fact is that both movements have things of merit, but neither one is 100% in the right. One is far left, one is far right...apparently the middle (as in class) means nothing.
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    FuriousC Male 30-39
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    November 29, 2011 at 5:42 am
    Without any research in to the actual stats and without checking each one of the sources links I will blindly accept all this information as indisputable truth. I am the sheeple.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    November 29, 2011 at 5:48 am
    Really? They issued it in June 2007.
    Really @I-AM-BORED? Then what was Donald Trump talking about? Someone "leaked" a document, but that`s not the same thing as producing a paper that`s required by law now is it?

    @markust123: run out of valid discussion so soon? Stooped to name calling already? Sad. I guess @madest is your teacher on this one:

    Cranky.
    See? HE simply cannot say something about his opponents without an insult tossed in. Pathetic.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 5:52 am
    Time for a 5Cats sweep.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5863 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 6:20 am
    davymid-"According to this (assuming it`s accurate), 70% of them are employed"

    It`s not accurate. The `70% OWS employed` number (along with other demographics) was actually `70% of people who visited the OWS website on a particular date`. Of those, only ~25% actually ATTENDED an OWS event (and I feel confident that a disproportionate amount of that 25% was from the 30% NOT employed in the original poll).

    5Cats-"The tea party has no right to exist"

    Typical liberal response: Just like Free Speech for Liberals "Free Speech for Me but not for Thee", tolerence for a liberal is "Tolerence is required by Thee but not by Me."
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 6:36 am
    I love how this argument always degenerates into back-and-forth ad hominems. So many red herrings here I think I could go back to the Knights Who Say "Ni".
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    madest Male 40-49
    7379 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 6:38 am
    No you`re wrong MeGrendel. The big difference between OWS and Teabaggers is the lack of empathy from the Teabaggers about loss of 1st amendment rights for OWS. They want their right to protest and they want the OWS protests put down. To see my point turn on FoxNews. It`s where uneducated teabaggers get their marching orders and where OWS gets mocked and minimized. Seems they won you over.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5863 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 7:03 am
    madest-" lack of empathy from the Teabaggers about loss of 1st amendment rights for OWS."

    "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech...or the right of the people peaceably to assemble.."

    The reason there is a lack of empathy is that the Teabaggers understand their rights under the 1st Amendment to `peaceably` assemble...which they did. (note the number or rapes, public defecation, and arrests at a Tea Party gatherings...zilch).

    The OWS gatherings that are `peaceably` assembling do not see a problem, (like the one in my home town...no problems there). It`s the ones that have become a public hazard and dangerous place where rape, robbery, drugs and all manner of illegal activities are taking place. In such instances, the police are REQUIRED to respond.

    Contrary to what idiots believe, the OWS are not being denied their 1st Amendment rights. Many of them just don`t know what their rights AND responsibilities are
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 7:26 am
    Part-time work, internship

    Really Crakr? So what FedEx does on a DAILY BASIS ISN`T important for the economy? Making sure goods go where they NEED TO GO? Read my profile Crakr! PART-TIME package handler, I scan packages and load them into their assigned trucks. Many businesses rely on companies like FedEx to deliver their goods. As for the rest of your list that`s wrong too! The latter entails someone providing service to the company they work for, as well as a valuable investment for themselves.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 29, 2011 at 7:30 am
    Please. CJ, sits home all day and sucks from the government nipple. He has no room to put down anybodies work.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5863 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 7:45 am
    Cajun247-"Many businesses rely on companies like FedEx to deliver their goods."

    Kudos to FedEx. I consider it the best option for shipping sample-sized (40lb and less) packages of dangerous goods.

    The Post Office is just too slow and a pain for anything more dangerous than chocolate chip cookies.

    UPS thinks that the orientation arrows (This End Up arrows) means `throw the packaget THIS way`.

    The ONLY problem I have with FedEx is the little lady who examines dangerous goods shipment locally thinks that a Jerry Can should have orientation arrows, when in reality it`s only required on Combination Packaging and Overpacks. I just have to remember to put them on the Jerry Cans so that don`t get bumped back to me.

    Sorry for the off topic post.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 8:11 am
    @MeGrendel

    My problem with Crakr`s statement was that he made a blanket generalization of part-time jobs and internships. When it comes to FedEx my position is perhaps the most essential (or just makes up most of the workforce :P) regardless, but it may simply be that FedEx doesn`t need full-time employees. Granted there are jobs that serve no real purpose some of which are even full-time (like fortune tellers). But there are industries that do consider interns vital. Gearbox in Plano offers play testing and even play test internships for QA purposes.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 29, 2011 at 8:16 am
    when in reality it`s only required on Combination Packaging and Overpacks

    Speaking as someone who`s worked there for 5 months, its probably because they deal with alot of liquids and HAZMAT packages that are shipped from abroad. So they`re probably just doing that to err on the side of caution.

    As for community organizers, if people feel they need their voice heard then well they need a group (a la these two) to amplify it. Thus (pending on their agenda) they`re providing an essential service to the community.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 10:32 am
    madest: I do not sit at home all day and worked full-time nearly everyday of my life, If I couldn`t get full time work, then I worked 2 jobs, paid for my own college tuition, got my degree debt free, and still found time for my family.

    I`m disabled now, can`t help that, but I still do my part for family and friends. I paid into the system and am reaping it`s benefits now, your loathsome condescension is not going to guilt me into thinking it`s wrong, that`s what it`s there for, to help people that can no longer work.

    So quit your bitchin` about it, you may need it one day too.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 10:39 am
    @5Cats
    Released by his presidential campaign is hardly "leaked".

    Isn`t it odd how nobody demands to see a white man`s papers? Sounds like something I`ve heard of before...

    Omg look! It`s 5Cats!

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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 10:40 am
    @CJ
    Last I checked you didn`t believe in that kind of system, far too socialized for you.
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    daroofa Male 40-49
    132 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 10:51 am
    I think the only number that matters is 66. That`s the number of Congressmen who align themselves with the Tea Party Caucus. Like it or not, that`s how you get things done. Not by camping in the park.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 10:51 am
    Please. CJ, sits home all day and sucks from the government nipple. He has no room to put down anybodies work.
    AGAIN with the personal attack @madest? Have you no shame? (well DUH obviosly not, eh?)

    I-AM-BORED: EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE for PotUS has produced their paperwork even before being selected to run for office. All except for ONE (guess who?)
    His office released nothing until Trump shamed him into it, otherwise why did Obama himself release it? Hummm? Do I have to post video?

    Now will he release his school records, thesis papers &etc like every other PotUS has done too? No? lolz!
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 11:14 am
    @5Cats
    You don`t get it. It was released prior to Trump demanding, it was released before any official tea party protest about ANYTHING happened, it was released and you still say "papers?".

    Trump didn`t demand to see it until THIS dratING YEAR when it was released by his presidential campaign in 2008 .

    Bush, Clinton, and Bush junior never released theirs to the media. It is not required by the law, the one and ONLY time a bill requiring that was passed was in April of this year and it was vetoed. (Arizona Legislature vetoed by Governor Jan Brewer, April 2011)

    So brainwashed you quote laws that don`t exist?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    It starts out like it`s going to be an objective comparison; then it degenerates into a bunch of biased left-wing bull$#!+.
    ----------
    Yeah well it doesn`t matter what the facts are. Could have easily told you that more OWSers were employed than Teabaggers simply by the age of the people. Teabaggers are old like you ollie. Retired. Cranky. Teabagging wouldn`t catch on overseas because it`s not a populist movement. It`s a corporate movement. What`s it feel like having a Koch hand up your butt?
    Hey, Fancy, do you consider this kind of unprovoked, vulgar, personal attack to be appropriate behavior from one of your moderators?

    I`ve been on the net for over 15 years, and I can give as good as I get, but I have to wonder, do you have ANY standards at all for the people who represent you on your site? If so, what the hell are they?
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    Partisanship itself is a ridiculous notion. Rarely are people conservative or liberal about everything, and only an idiot makes up his mind before being asked the question. Ideas from both sides have merit, but the real hallmark of a good government is one that can work TOGETHER, making concessions and compromises on both sides. Like Davy said, there`s less and less of that these days.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 12:33 pm
    5cats

    "@madest? Have you no shame?"

    Of course not, he`s a socialist. They always lose their tempers when they lose the argument. Of course they always lose the argument, basically because they are wrong, and don`t even understand what they are arguing against.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3876 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 12:42 pm
    "@markust123: run out of valid discussion so soon? Stooped to name calling already? Sad. I guess @madest is your teacher on this one."

    I wasn`t name calling 5Cats. I really want to know if you are in a mental hospital.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    I-IS-BORED: The Social Security system was designed for people that worked and paid into it, not those that never have.

    If it had stayed that way things wouldn`t have got so screwed up with it.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm
    So yeah... How many people died at the Tea protests? How many women were raped? How many sh*t covered police cars were there?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    If it had stayed that way things wouldn`t have got so screwed up with it.

    Ridiculous! Even if nothing happened to OASDI it would`ve still seen diminishing returns because of our aging population and declining birth rate.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    Cajun: But it wouldn`t have seen them so soon, perhaps not for another 50 years or so, but the system is bloated with so many that never paid into it, it`s overwhelmed.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    perhaps not for another 50 years or so

    Speculation at best, even if it WERE true congress would still have to address the issue of diminishing returns either through changing the rules or tax hikes. Face it man, you should`ve chose a private plan.
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    alsobored Male 18-29
    347 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 3:47 pm
    sick of these infographs
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 4:13 pm
    OH LOOK I-AM-BORED It`s GW Bush`s birth certificate! Which he produced, publicly, before he was even nominated to run for PotUS!
    It took me 2 clicks on @Bing to find it!
    Here`s Ronald Reagan`s! ffs, so STFU, eh?

    @markust123: that kind of trolling can (and ought to) get you banned. Not joking.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    @5Cats
    LMAO YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ THE BOTTOM OF THAT IMAGE

    Or how about this one?

    but nice try at posting a clearly fake birth certificate when calling Obama`s fake. Really? Kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com? lol....

    I think that`s a high score of fail.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 6:54 pm
    @5Cats
    and I know bush talks like a stoner, but you can stop calling him Pot US.
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    Buck176 Male 30-39
    379 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 9:11 pm
    So why does this say OWS is in other countries? That implies two things, 1. That the other countries started protests after OWS. They didn`t OWS is the most recent of the protests. 2. The other countries are protesting the symbol of America`s economic system. They aren`t. They are protesting their respective governments. Way to try to skew the numbers.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 9:18 pm
    Veeery funny @I-AM-BORED, I was rushed. Anyhow that one may be "altered" but my point remains: every candidate for PotUS has made their birth certificate public before even running for the party`s nomination, except one.

    The fake bush one came from THIS document eh?

    And no matter how much you protest, it`s the law in the USA, which the Democrats broke, for whatever reason.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 9:45 pm
    @Buck176
    Occupy Everywhere

    @5Cats
    If it already was law dating back decades then why would this be a bill debated in the 2011 session. The proposed additions include
    "E.(1) Any person filing a notice of candidacy or nominating petition pursuant to this Section shall at the same time file an affidavit of the presidential candidate and vice presidential candidate in which each candidate sates his citizenship, age, and residence . Each affidavit shall include references to and attachment of documents that prove that the candidate meets the requirements for president of the United States prescribed in Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States of America, including the following:...
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    a) An original or certified copy of the candidate`s birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician, and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."

    All of that is additions.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 29, 2011 at 10:11 pm
    Cajun: Choosing a `private plan` wasn`t an option where I worked. The CBO has already made various projections of cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid, they aren`t that hard to find.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    November 30, 2011 at 12:56 am
    Choosing a `private plan` wasn`t an option where I worked

    Not even your own retirement account?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    November 30, 2011 at 5:46 am
    @I-IS-BORED: BEcause it used to be handeled by the parties, before the nominations, there wasn`t a "set date" for producing the documents in the old law. You know how lawyers are, if there`s a loophole they`ll drive a truck through it.
    I hope this law passed, did it? I gtg...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 30, 2011 at 11:07 am
    Cajun: I had a few thousand in a 401k, from an old job, that`s already been cashed in, but never earned more than $1000 a week in my lifetime.

    Not that that info is really any of your business, but I don`t want people believing I`m in the 1%.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    November 30, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    Democracy: when 90% on the people decide to tax themselves so the government can help the poorest 10%

    Socialism: when 80% of the people decide to tax the top 10% so the government can help the bottom 10%

    OWS: the top 1% should pay for everyone else
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    December 1, 2011 at 6:59 am
    @5Cats
    Ever gonna stop quoting Fox News?
    Figure out that tides thing yet?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    December 1, 2011 at 8:35 pm
    I-IS-BORED: what makes you think I got it from Fox? Oh yeah, your blind ignorance.
    Are you refuting what I say or just p*ssing in fear over the truth?

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