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Date: 11/21/11 12:39 PM

50 Responses to Frank Zappa On The Illusion Of Freedom [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of f0rk0
    f0rk0 Female 18-29
    482 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    Link: Frank Zappa On The Illusion Of Freedom - Was Frank Zappa a visionary when he said this or are times as bad now as they were when he said this?
  2. Profile photo of M_Archer
    M_Archer Male 18-29
    525 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    I saw the video. The picture is definitely real.

    I couldn`t care less. Don`t be surprised when you get hurt by a cop for obstructing justice and blocking their pathways.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    Pics of cops doing their jobs with an obscure, inane Zappa quote.

    I am still bored.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 1:09 pm
    "Don`t be surprised when you get hurt by a cop for...blocking their pathways."

    lol. I`m know you`re serious but that`s so absurd, it`s funny.
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    ShamaziaV2 Male 13-17
    236 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    M Archer listen to yourself. THEY GOT PEPPER SPRAYED FOR SITTING ON A dratING SIDEWALK. That`s how you want the country to be run? Fine, then you`re an ignorant jackass.
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
    525 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 1:20 pm
    You`re both guilty of massive context-dropping and scarecrow arguments. I`m not even going to entertain them.
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    mackin Male 30-39
    210 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 1:22 pm
    The police, in theory, are here to protect and serve. They are part of society, and as such, their job is to protect and serve ALL the members of society, not enforce the greed of select members. They should be working to ensure that all Americans have freedom, not to oppress it.
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    pollyand Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    Pepper spray does not feel good.
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    chance13 Male 40-49
    219 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    They got pepper-sprayed because they would not heed the warnings given to them. If you don`t heed the warnings, you get it too...so do I...difference, I heed the warnings.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    lol @M_Archer - There`s no context in that statement and it`s not a scarecrow argument if all I`m doing is quoting you.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    You guys are taking philosophical advice from a man who named his kids "Moon Unit", "Dweezil", "Rodan" {as in the monster} and "Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen".

    I know you think I made that last one up, but it`s true.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    @Gerry - He was a celebrity living in Los Angeles. If he gave them normal names like Brian or Jill they would have been treated like outcasts.
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    imnakdjumpme Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    chance13, as cliche as it may sound, Rosa Parks did not heed the warnings either, and we now think of her as a hero and as someone that had the courage to stand up for what is right. if they were doing something illegal, then arrest them. This excessive force just pisses people off and makes the cops look bad.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
    379 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm
    @chance13

    no... the difference is you are a sheep. i would bet those people would get pepper sprayed again if they had to do it all over. it`s not about "heeding" a warning. it`s about believing in something. you should try it... although that would mean giving up that sense of security you love so much.
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    botfly Male 50-59
    616 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 2:22 pm
    Go ahead and protest, I could give a rats ass, but when you start impeding my freedom in the process, I won`t only hit you with pepper spray.
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    cyborg Male 13-17
    2790 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    someone took those stupid people getting sprayed personally
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    sosueme1966 Male 40-49
    439 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    Right before I saw this post, I was watching video of protestors getting beaten to death in Tahir Square. I think it`s hilarious that people are acting like our government is the most heinous violator of civil rights in the world because after 2 months of doing absolutely nothing, a couple of cops got a little itchy on their pepper spray trigger finger.

    I think it`s time OWS stops comparing themselves to people literally laying down there lives in the "Arab Spring".
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    kevofcal99 Male 40-49
    9 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    3 guys I wish were still alive in these times:
    John Lennon, Johnny Cash, and Frank Zappa.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    It`s pepper spray, people. It`s spicy, get over it!
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    LastJuggalo Female 18-29
    212 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    I don`t think its funny. I don`t laugh at our "softness" about the whole pepper spray thing. A pinch is as good as a poke. People are dying for the freedom to live their lives. We got pepper sprayed. Is one worse than the other. F**K YES. Does it change the fact that people are being brutalized. Probably not. I don`t want to make a point. I just want people to be okay. I dont laugh at our pain, i dont laugh at their death. I am sad, and i wish the world was a better place.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    "Rosa Parks did not heed the warnings either, and we now think of her as a hero and as someone that had the courage to stand up for what is right."

    Civil Rights, and the right to get other people`s stuff for free are two different things.
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    rtevis1 Female 18-29
    31 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    they don`t know where the hell they are going with the protests. they have no idea what the result should be. you can`t get anywhere without knowing where you are going. you just end up hitting walls. get it?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33085 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm
    Frank Zappa was a genius! Pure & simple.
    Philosopher Musician.
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    PtblDuffy Male 18-29
    163 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 4:07 pm
    I don`t really understand why opinions are so strong on this issue. Can`t we agree that there was some middle ground? Obviously the pepper spray was a little excessive, but at the same time, those students did knowingly refuse an order from a police officer. It`s not like the order was unjust either, it was against campus policy to camp there. They were given a waiver to camp for a small amount of time, and then it was revoked.

    My two cents...
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    PacoP42 Male 13-17
    1064 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 4:07 pm
    apparently, we`re staring right into the "brick wall" with these pictures. That means these pictures are completely void of any form of freedom. That`s a strong statement.
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
    1811 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    Pepper spraying non-violent protesters ? O.K. But then, how do the police deal with protesters that aren`t so peaceful ? Machine guns with live ammo ? This incident was a total fail on the part of the police, and those responsible should be fired, imo....
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    VVVolume Male 18-29
    4 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 4:58 pm
    HEEEEEEEEEEY BUDDY HOW DO THEY DEAL WITH ANTI POLICE BRUTALITY PROTEST?

    Tear gas bombs, batons, riot shields, rubber bullet guns, rubber bullet cannons.

    WHO IS REALLY SAFE FROM THE POLICE>?
    ANSWER: NOBODY!
    WHO PROTECTS THE POLICE
    THE POLICE
    WHO WATCHES THE POLICE
    THE POLICE
    WHO ARE THE POLICE
    POLICE BATU
    JUSTICE NES PAS
    POLICE CHALICE
    POLICE TABARNAC
    CHALICE
    POLICE
    WHAT DO WE WANT
    1,000,000 DEAD COPS
    WHEN DO WE WANT IT
    RIGHT dratING NOW.
    NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
    KILL ALL POLICE.,
  28. Profile photo of _Verbatim_
    _Verbatim_ Male 18-29
    160 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 5:08 pm
    @ PtblDuffy

    The issue here isn`t what the students did wrong, the issue is that the police are in existence to serve and protect, and the way they do that is with a strict set of rules on what they can and cannot do, what they did crossed a VERY big line. Here`s the way it should have played out, students protest, camp waiver revoked, students go dead weight, police pick them up cuff them, take them to jail, no one is hurt, no gets pepper sprayed, the world goes on. When we say it`s ok for an officer of the law to do something like this then it`s also ok for them to begin pepper spraying homeless people that won`t move from their spot? Besides all of that, what kind of image are we portraying to the rest of the world that we`re telling to stop doing things like this? Think they`re gonna listen to us when we can`t even control it in our own country?
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    huppamaniac Male 18-29
    21 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 5:09 pm
    I don`t understand the difference between pepper spray and beating? They both hurt like hell. If peaceful protesters were beaten into compliance by police, there would be no question that this was wrong and the cops would lose their jobs.
  30. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 5:27 pm
    @huppamaniac - Pepper spray is just an irritant; it doesn`t do any damage. You`re damaging tissue and possibly bones when you beat someone with a stick.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    OMG police are giving people a few bruises and stinging eyes! I miss the days when they`d use firehoses and attack dogs.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    Huppa: the difference is that beating some one up can easily cause actual physical injuries. Just because something hurts for a day doesn`t mean you`re truly injured. Granted, there will always be police who use pepper spray or tazers on people who aren`t even a threat, but at least they didn`t crack their skulls open.
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    geckohead Female 50-59
    591 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 8:14 pm
    The issue for me is that Frank was a prophet, his words would be too much for us now. He`s glad he`s not here. What songs would there be?!
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    IAmTheMoose Male 18-29
    1343 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    @SarahofBorg

    I can`t say if you were at the OWS protests, but you CERTAINLY weren`t a part of the Civil Rights movement (if your age is accurate*), so STFU. It`s offensive when idiots open their mouths when they shouldn`t.

    Keep in mind that pepper-spray is designed to make you incapacitated. The human body can take a beating and keep on ticking. Introduce inflammatory chemicals to the equation (especially to the face where your eyes burn, your throat constricts, general agony) and it becomes a whole different story.

    *On the off-chance that you changed your age to seem younger, you are then a liar and as such shouldn`t attempt to bias others with false logic.
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    _Verbatim_ Male 18-29
    160 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 8:41 pm
    @Brassbull- I would highly suggest you take that up with ACLU which already has recorded deaths that were caused by being OC sprayed.
    @SarahofBorg- The general idea here is that we have evolved beyond the need to resort to violence in instances such as these, all this is managing to show us is that we haven`t really evolved at all, we`ve just replaced one negative reinforcement with another. True if you really want to talk about the severity of it I would much rather be OC sprayed then have my skull cracked, but I think that`s getting away from what the real issue really is.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 9:18 pm
    @Verbatim - Yes, I saw on wikipedia that in some rare cases people have died from it.

    [quote">The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) documented 27 people in police custody who died after exposure to pepper spray in California since 1993. However, the ACLU report counts any death occurring within hours of exposure to pepper spray. In all 27 cases, the coroners` report listed other factors as the primary cause of death, though in some cases the use of pepper spray may have been a contributing factor.[/quote">
    Link.

    It doesn`t sound like the evidence is strong enough to categorize it as damaging or lethal. If it was I would think police wouldn`t be allowed to carry or use it anymore.
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    spultra13 Male 18-29
    174 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 9:20 pm
    There`s no way to delay that trouble comin` every day
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    Squeakers Male 18-29
    21 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 9:55 pm
    I went to UCD. Its 30 minutes away from Sacramento and less than 2 hours from the financial district in San Francisco. It either lazy or misguided to protest here. Davis the city is about 30k people, and its all students or old people. There is definitely a sector of students that just want to be part of an exercise in civil disobedience, and I am assuming these are the ones. I don`t feel bad; they got what they were after.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36834 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Frank Zappa a poet? His only top hit was "Valley Girl"
    I`m sure, no way! Gag me with a spooooooooon!
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
    3877 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 11:28 pm
    who knew frank zappa was a prophet?
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    jessyfish Female 18-29
    90 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 1:14 am
    I`m so tired of hearing/watching/reading about these damn OWS people already...
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 2:02 am
    Tru words.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 2:03 am
    Nice to see some more pro ows propaganda.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 4:17 am
    @Verbatim: There has also, I`m sure, been a death due to bsby powder.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 5:07 am
    *baby.
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
    518 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 5:55 am
    @jessyfish

    Repeat this to yourself "If I ignore it, it goes away"
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 8:07 am
    Frank Zappa is worm feast.
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    Zuriel Male 30-39
    554 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    Zappa also said...

    Stupidity is the basic building block of the universe.

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    scheckydamon Male 60-69
    715 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    As someone who was suspended from jr high for daring to have a political opinion, I thought Vietnam sucked, I protested through college in the 70`s. I also joined the military, USCG, as a way of giving back for my freedom to protest. Freedom is not free nor is it a wall. It is a vibrant thing that lives and grows. I am now in my late 50`s and also know that that there is no such thing as a free lunch. Want an education? Get loans or join the military. Want to be able to pay them back. Get a degree in engineering, medical fields etc. Angry women`s studies will not pay the bills. Get an MBA and change the banks from the inside. Become a lawyer and work for tort reform not if your baby has the sniffles sue the Dr that delivered it and make him pay.
    Frank Zappa " What`s the ugliest part of your body? Some say your nose, some say it`s your toes, I think it`s your mind."
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    photomstr Male 50-59
    766 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    `mercans have tarnished the word "freedom" to have as little value as "money" everybody wants it but nobody knows what it really costs . . .

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