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Date: 11/21/11 09:30 AM

42 Responses to Canada: I Like The Way You Think Politically [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of LittleMissQT
    LittleMissQT Female 18-29
    1277 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 9:31 am
    Link: Canada: I Like The Way You Think Politically - America really needs to take a note from Canada about voting.
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
    525 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 9:38 am
    I disagree strongly with this statement. First of all, let`s ignore the fact that Vancouver is not representative of the Canadian political attitude.

    If you hate all of the candidates, you abstain from voting; you don`t vote for the lesser of two evils (in my opinion). For example, if Mitt Romney wins the Republican primary, I might not vote; I`d rather that Obama and the socialists get the blame if the country is going to go to hell.

    Plus, if you don`t vote, you can complain the the candidates don`t represent you as a Canadian.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2011 at 9:39 am
    Indeed
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    Censorship Male 18-29
    75 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 9:39 am
    *High Five*
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2011 at 9:57 am
    @M_Archer

    If you hate all the candidates, you submit a blank or defaced ballot.

    Not voting at all expresses apathy, not displeasure.

    In fact...it expresses tacit approval of the status quo.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
    2674 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 9:58 am
    Word.
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    Grendal Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2011 at 10:05 am
    Truer words have never been said.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 10:14 am
    If you hate all the candidates, you submit a blank or defaced ballot.

    Not voting at all expresses apathy, not displeasure.

    In fact...it expresses tacit approval of the status quo.

    That would make sense if blank or defaced ballots meant anything.

    Since they don`t, submitting one is meaningless and serves only to fool the person into thinking that they are doing something and/or allowing them to browbeat people who don`t do that meaningless thing. It`s even worse than the irrelevant crap on Facebook et alia, where people spend a few seconds of their time changing a colour or something equally trivial and then pretend it feeds people dying in a famine in some place they don`t even know exists. At least some people will see that. Wasted ballot papers just get ignored - the effect is the same as doing nothing (which is almost the same action anyway).
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2011 at 10:18 am
    To take it further and proclaim that anyone who doesn`t actively state their approval of any of the 1-3 candidates who had any chance of winning the election should be forbidden to express any opinion on any aspect of politics (and maybe everything else too)...to be polite, that`s unreasonable.
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2011 at 10:24 am
    I second this motion.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
    1444 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 10:44 am
    A-Fricken-Men!
  12. Profile photo of Kilgore89
    Kilgore89 Male 18-29
    194 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 10:44 am
    @Anglilion

    I completely agree that mandating that people who don`t participate aren`t allowed to complain does take things a bit far. However, we`ve had ridings in Canada won by as few as a few hundred votes. If a few apathetic people had bothered to vote, it would be the difference between a conservative and socialist representative. Quite frankly, it does actually make a difference.

    Also, as far as I`m concerned, if you choose not to participate in the system, regardless of your rights, you have no business complaining that things aren`t the way you like it. If you participate and things don`t go your way, then you have a basis on which to suggest that things aren`t working properly.

    I cannot stand people in Canada who bitch about our right-wing government, insist that another candidate should be in office; but who, when asked, will tell you they didn`t vote for anybody because "the system doesn`t work" and then cite election results as eviden
  13. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33085 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 10:46 am
    Canadians get to vote on way less things the the USA does, AND our votes are often useless because of so many "fortress" ridings where one party has owned the seat for decades.

    There`s places where party-x could run a dead goat and STILL win by 15%...
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    the_windy Female 18-29
    1589 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 10:59 am
    I have a friend at work who never votes. He says that we`re screwed either way. And as for the argument "If you don`t vote, don`t complain" he says that he pays his taxes so he can bitch all he wants.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
    1010 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 11:08 am
    Good poster :-) In Switzerland you used to get a small fine (like 3 dollars) if you did not vote. I think also Australia has compulsory voting. The US, however "the bastion of democracy" you have to register. Which is pointless anyway, since Congress is bought... :-p
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    Pho-Tog Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2011 at 11:14 am
    Nuf said.............
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    Ruffiana Male 30-39
    506 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 11:20 am
    As long as I`m helping fund government, I think I have a right to complain about how it`s being run.

    By that logic, a lot of corporations should shut it.
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    Satkela Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
    8-) well said
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2011 at 11:50 am
    Yeah, of course, because the party you voted for always keeps their promises and does a fantastic job. You vote in the party you want to win, which in reality isn`t any different to any other party, and they still lie and cheat their way through their time of power.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
    796 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    God 5Cats-STFU and move to the States already
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    bb0687 Male 18-29
    27 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    As long as popular vote doesn`t determine the presidential election in the United State I will take no part in it.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    If you pay taxes then you absolutely have a say, since whatever officials are elected are funded by, and appropriate the funds each taxpayer contributes to. I think if you don`t vote the only thing you can`t bitch about is which party did/didn`t get in.

    However, voter apathy is a problem and I think that if you are unhappy you should just spoil your ballot and be done with it.
  23. Profile photo of M_Archer
    M_Archer Male 18-29
    525 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    5Cats, aren`t we a parliamentary democracy as opposed to the USA which is a constitutional republic?

    We have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but Section 1 says that the majority can vote them away if they feel like it. The United States government doesn`t have the power to vote away rights, but the Canadian government does. I`d say the majority has more power in Canada, personally.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2011 at 1:03 pm
    I`d say we`re a constitutional monarchy AND a parliamentary democracy.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 1:30 pm
    Ummm people say this here all the time.
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    pollyand Female 18-29
    20 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    That`s how we do it.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    I used to believe this very sentiment.
    But after recent elections, where counting or our ability to count votes, {and the honesty of the election process has been called into play} I no longer believe it so strongly. "Vote if you feel like it" is more apt.

    I will vote, I`m just a stickler for tradition.
    But I can`t guarantee it`s actually counted.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 3:02 pm
    @Kilgore89:

    I didn`t say that voting never made any difference, so your example of a few close elections is irrelevant.

    You went on to contradict yourself:

    I completely agree that mandating that people who don`t participate aren`t allowed to complain does take things a bit far.

    Also, as far as I`m concerned, if you choose not to participate in the system, regardless of your rights, you have no business complaining that things aren`t the way you like it.
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    imnakdjumpme Male 18-29
    598 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    i believe it was George Carlin that said its the people that vote that have no right to complain, since they are the ones that voted for the person. He doesnt vote and that reserves his right to say whatever he wants, instead of being held to what he put into office in the first place.
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    lawndartsftw Male 40-49
    1811 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 4:40 pm
    win !
  31. Profile photo of Kilgore89
    Kilgore89 Male 18-29
    194 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 5:27 pm
    @Angilion

    No contradiction, just a failure on my part to elaborate. Should you be legally required to vote in order to complain: no. If you fail to vote should you be forced to keep your opinion to yourself: no. If you don`t vote and then complain about it, does that make you a douche: yes. If you don`t vote should you keep your opinions to yourself because you`re a lazy apathetic schmuck: yes.

    I`m making a distinction between should and should be allowed. It`s a minor difference, but an important one. Kind of like the difference between a political freedom (i.e. freedom of assembly) and a political right (i.e. right to legal counsel).

    I think you should be allowed to complain if you don`t vote. I just think that you shouldn`t.
  32. Profile photo of Kilgore89
    Kilgore89 Male 18-29
    194 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 5:27 pm
    Also, I don`t know how to do italics.
  33. Profile photo of i-am-evil
    i-am-evil Male 18-29
    510 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 5:30 pm
    I like the tenacity!
  34. Profile photo of Rawrg
    Rawrg Male 18-29
    934 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 5:35 pm
    ...unless you don`t agree with any of the candidates.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 5:41 pm
    DAMN RIGHT!
  36. Profile photo of iceblack
    iceblack Male 18-29
    551 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 7:01 pm
    I`ll just quote George Carlin here:

    " I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, `If you don`t vote, you have no right to complain,` but where`s the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
    15511 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 7:30 pm
    Thank you for the abstract about the constitution
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 8:13 pm
    Uh... somehow, I don`t think that`s an official city elections poster.
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    rtevis1 Female 18-29
    31 posts
    November 21, 2011 at 8:38 pm
    oh, people will never see eye to eye. there is no perfect solution to the mess.
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    MechBFP Male 18-29
    813 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 5:26 am
    iceblack, never one with an original thought are you?
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
    2737 posts
    November 22, 2011 at 9:10 am
    I agree with Iceblacks statement from George Carlin. I`ve never voted, ever. Not even registered. I`m not voting for any of these nitwits.
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    tehbionic Female 18-29
    313 posts
    November 23, 2011 at 7:39 pm
    Hurr durr I have a moral opposition to voting but I`ll complain about everything elected officials do. Not talking about anyone who`s said that there, just the genuine retards that won`t shut the drat up.

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