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54 Responses to Arctic Refuge: Citizen vs. Bully Congressman

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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 5:40 am
    Link: Arctic Refuge: Citizen vs. Bully Congressman - Douglas Brinkley won`t be bullied by Alaska congressman Harris on the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. A new hero?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 7:36 am
    I think he`s peeved.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 26, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Tree hugger would leave 99% for the animals and 1% for people. We need to open up much {not all} of the resources there. At least they can`t export a job that is tied to the land.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 8:57 am
    I want to shake Mr. Brinkley`s hand and say "Thank you". Our politicians are only concerned about getting money from lobbyists instead of representing the people who vote, and we`re not going to take it anymore. We are the 99%, and for those of you who are still against us, go find another country to live in. You`re not fit to call yourself "Americans".
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 9:01 am
    Gerry...the more of your posts I see, the more I think you`re an idiot. Nothing against gay people, but I know you like to take it up the ol` poop chute....so, keep supporting those poor lobbyists and the politicians they keep well funded. You deserve what you get.
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    Anzac5665 Male 50-59
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    November 26, 2011 at 9:09 am
    Drill THROUGH eskimos, carribou, whales..whatever it takes!
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    Bottleofrum Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2011 at 9:09 am
    im definitely with gerry on this one
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    Bottleofrum Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2011 at 9:12 am
    and jtrebowski, i know that there are alot of gay people on here, so im not assuming anything, you can go suck on a fat whatever-genitalia-you-don`t-like
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 9:19 am
    Our energy problems will never be solved by more drilling. Drilling will only expose us to more environmental tragedies.
    This new push for natural gas they can collect from fracking has opened up a whole new world of troubles for nearby residents. Have a look.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    November 26, 2011 at 9:32 am
    Given the mood in America lately, a couple of new holidays may be in order; Pop a politician day(Geared towards NRA members), and lynch a lawyer day(For everybody else).
    Oh, and Gerry1of1, when the 1%(In their own greed) use up 100% of everything in the name of the 99%- what then?
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 9:43 am
    "and jtrebowski, i know that there are alot of gay people on here, so im not assuming anything, you can go suck on a fat whatever-genitalia-you-don`t-like"

    I would`nt suck on Sarah Palins` rotting labia with your mouth.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 10:09 am
    I just realized that this is the same Don Young who was investigating for taking bribes from Alaska`s largest oil-field engineering corporation. Yeah...you really think he has people`s best interests at heart? LMAO!!!
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 10:26 am
    "Yeah...you really think he has people`s best interests at heart?"

    Name one congressperson or senator who does. Just one. Please.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2011 at 10:34 am
    "Yeah...you really think he has people`s best interests at heart?"

    Name one congressperson or senator who does. Just one. Please.

    Senator Jefferson Smith does.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:00 am
    Name one congressperson or senator who does. Just one. Please. -------------
    Bernie Sanders. Where`s my cookie bitch?
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:08 am
    Wow, a congessional A-Hole. How shocking........
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    burbclaver Male 50-59
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:12 am
    Congressmen - all the integrity that money can buy.
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:17 am
    Mad bro walks away in defeat
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:34 am
    @Rick S.: Hope you know how to bake cookies! LOL! However, in all seriousness, your point is exactly what we as the 99% are trying to make. Most of our politicians are only where they are because corporate interests keep them well-funded. In this particular case, Don Young has a vested financial interest in drilling in the ANWR.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:44 am
    Did they chop and edit that up enough ?

    BTW, If anyone actually had a look at the land they are wrangling over, you`d laugh your ass off. It`s nothing but flat, treeless, rocky, permafrost as far as the eye can see, most parking lots in America are more interesting to look at.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:56 am
    If you`ve never seen it, take a look.

    In the summer:


    In the winter:


    It`s cold, flat and desolate. The native people that live there actually WANT more drilling there to help support their families.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    It`s cold, flat and desolate. The native people that live there actually WANT more drilling there to help support their families. ----------
    Who cares what they want? It`s not theirs, it`s ours. Given to us by that liberal icon Dwight D. Eisenhower.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    "The native people there actually WANT drilling there to help support their families"

    The Alaska Inter-Tribal Council, which represents 229 Native Alaskan tribes, officially opposes any development in ANWR. In March, 2005, Luci Beach, the executive director of the steering committee for the Native Alaskan and Canadian Gwich`in tribe (a member of the AI-TC), during a trip to Washington DC, while speaking for a unified group of 55 Alaskan and Canadian indigenous peoples, said that drilling in ANWR is "a human rights issue and it`s a basic Aboriginal human rights issue." She went on to say, "Sixty to 70 per cent of our diet comes from the land and caribou is one of the primary animals that we depend on for sustenance." The Gwich`in tribe adamantly believes that drilling in ANWR would have serious negative effects on the calving grounds of the Porcupine Caribou herd that they partially rely on for food.
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    snakecharmer Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2011 at 1:14 pm
    Some people love money more than their homeland... well executed. Good jorb!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    @CJ, Yeah what jtrebowski said. Or will this be another instance of fact ignoring on your behalf?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    Yeah, you`re right, CrakrJak. The ANWR is nothing but an ugly frozen mud puddle. No aesthetic value or redeeming qualities of any kind.

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    November 26, 2011 at 2:52 pm
    The good Doctor should point out that if he or his colleagues were as incompetent as the honorable Congressman and HIS colleagues they would be out of a job.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    jtrebowski: The tribes that actually live near the coast want the drilling.

    Over 78% percent of Alaskans support exploration and production on the Coastal Plain of ANWR. Polling conducted in December 2009 by the Dittman Research Corporation shows that a vast majority of Alaskans support opening ANWR to oil and gas exploration.

    Squrlz4Sale: The land they are debating about is not in the interior, where that picture you posted was taken. The land in question is on the `North Slope`, and it`s only about 2000 acres they are wanting to be opened up drill on. The pictures I posted are of that land.

    Get some proper education on the issue, learn more here.

    Oil companies don`t drill into mountains, and the caribou have thrived near the present drilling facilities, so both of you are either uneducated or being purposefully
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 6:30 pm


    Oil companies don`t drill into mountains, and the caribou have thrived near the present drilling facilities, so both of you are either uneducated or being purposefully deceptive. Watch the video, your replies will determine which category you fall into.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 7:04 pm
    This debate isn`t about allowing drilling into mountains. Is this another republican tactic you`ve picked up from FoxNews to muddy the argument with unrelated, utter nonsense?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 7:27 pm
    madest: I was directly responding to Squrlz4Sale`s picture. I`ve actually attempted to show the reality of what is there and the facts of the issue.

    Apparently madest you`re too entrenched in your ideology to actually realize those facts, and must discredit me, by any means necessary, even if it makes you look like a first rate fool in the process.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 7:34 pm
    Picture shmicture. You took two comments mixed them in with a picture and posted a link to a pro-drilling website that proves nothing about what the locals want. You have been defeated here. Time for you to take it like a man and slink away in disgrace.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    madest: I see that you`re once again claiming victory in your ignorance.

    I posted REAL PICTURES of what the north slope area, in debate, actually looks like. It`s barren flat permafrost and nothing else. The caribou are thriving in Prudhoe Bay, The Alaska Legislature passed a resolution supporting drilling in ANWR 60 to 0, the Inuipat natives of Kaktovik support drilling there and it`s their native land.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 9:01 pm
    Ok...so we drill up there. Great. we save about $1 a barrel in 15-20 years. Read it and weep
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 10:31 pm
    jtrebowski: You are quoting `world oil prices` in that report. But it seems you overlooked this:

    "At estimated flow rates and using $125 per barrel price level ANWR 10-02 oil could save the nation between $125,000,000 to $187,500,000 a day for decades." in the same report, that`s 10% of what we import now.

    That`s $45,625,000,000 a year saved to the consumer, and doesn`t include the 12% tax revenue added to the federal budget or the thousands of jobs created as a result. Not to mention it helps get us off relying on foreign oil.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    @CrakrJak: What is it about the words "National," "Wildlife," and "Refuge" you and the Republicans don`t understand?
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    November 26, 2011 at 11:48 pm
    Brinkley won that one. Rep. Don Young is another self important a$$hole politician.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 12:37 am
    Squrlz4Sale: What is it about America drilling for it`s own oil and getting off foreign oil that you liberals don`t understand ?

    You`d rather us not develop our natural resources over protecting some small 2000 acres of flat desolate permafrost ?

    The porcupine caribou herd has been growing and thriving next to Prudhoe Bay, it`s not at risk at all and the mountains in the interior will remain protected. So unless you`re just a hopeless ideologue, like madest, open your eyes and learn some more about it.
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    ShamaziaV2 Male 13-17
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    November 27, 2011 at 1:50 am
    We can live with expensive oil, we can`t live without earth.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 8:02 am
    "What is it about America drilling for it`s own oil and getting off foreign oil that you liberals don`t understand ?"

    It wouldn`t get us off of foreign oil. The oil we drill is sold on the global market. How do you propse preventing that from happening?

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 8:14 am
    jtrebowski: It wouldn`t get us off of foreign oil. The oil we drill is sold on the global market.

    Bullsh|t, the oil we drill for stays here and gets refined here. America is not a net exporter of oil you nitwit, we are a net importer of oil.

    It makes no sense for us to sell our oil to other countries when the need for it here domestically outweighs any benefit in selling it abroad.

    That`s akin to selling the last loaf of bread in your kitchen, to your neighbor, when your own kids are starving.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 8:57 am
    "It makes no sense for us to sell our oil to other countries when the need for it here domestically outweighs any benefit in selling it abroad"

    Tell that to Exxon/Mobil, BP, and other companies that drill here. The oil belongs to them. They put on the global market the the Chicago Mercantile Exchange

    CJ, I know you conservatives like things nice and simple (9-9-9 plans, drill baby drill, just deport all the illegal immigrants, etc etc), but the world isn`t that simple, ok?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 11:42 am
    jtrebowski: Exxon/Mobil, and BP drill wells all over the world moron. The oil those companies sell doesn`t all come from Alaska, but what they do get from Alaska stays here in the USA.

    Yes, I understand that oil is a commodity, duh, but our oil stays here, it would make no sense whatsoever for them to ship it elsewhere when their biggest customer is right here.

    You make me shake my head and laugh at how incredibly dumb you just made yourself look.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 12:55 pm
    CJ: The US doesn`t own the wells. The landowners (sometimes the govt) are paid for leases and sometimes royalties for the privledge of drilling and removing oil. The oil is sold on the open market and is purchased by other companies that either own or contract to refineries around the world to turn the oil into gasoline.
    In 2007, United States refineries produced over 90 percent of the gasoline used in the United States. Less than 40 percent of the crude oil used by U.S. refineries was produced in the United States. About 45 percent of gasoline produced in the United States comes from refineries in the U.S. Gulf Coast (including Texas and Louisiana).
    Ok...we good? I Gotta go watch my Redskins lose. i`ll be back after that.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    The American people own the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Not the oil companies not the locals not Alaskans not CJ. This push to open it to drilling is most certainly another big oil pipe dream. They can spend all the money we give them in tax subsidies on lobbying congress, it simply won`t ever happen because it`s just not theirs.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 9:39 pm
    jtrebowski: The oil from Alaska isn`t sold on the `open world market`, it is refined here in the USA and we have refineries all over the place. New Jersey, Illinois, California, Washington, Tennessee, South Dakota, Oklahoma and many other states have large refineries, oil pipelines criss-cross the nation, see picture below.



    The rest of the information you posted has nothing to do with Alaskan oil. Your narrative, that we sell Alaskan oil to other nations, is simply false and I`ve already noted the reasons why.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 27, 2011 at 9:53 pm
    madest: You`re just the type of liberal that believes oil is evil, along with coal and nuclear power. Problem is there are 15,000 windmills that have broken down cluttering the landscape and the ones that are operating are killing endangered birds like vultures, hawks, and eagles.

    So called `Green Energy` is the real pipe dream, at least for the next 50 years or so. There is no such thing as free unsubsidized profitable energy, at least not until some major technological hurdles are met in the decades to come.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 3:26 am
    @CJ, You`re the type of small minded conservative who thinks the answer to our energy problems is drill baby drill.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 7:48 am
    Don`t waste your time with Crakrjakass, he had his brain drilled a long time a go.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:41 am
    madest: Right now drilling and mining is our only hope, wasting hundreds of billions on `Green Energy` pipe dreams is only making the situation worse. But I`m guessing you still believe failed companies like Solyndra, Evergreen Solar, SpectraWatt, Raser, Beacon Power, and many many others that have failed, are still worth investing billions of dollars of tax dollars in (So long as democrats like Obama still keep getting their campaign contribution kickbacks).
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 8:52 am
    No our "hope" is not in drilling. It`s in green energy. As you said it`s years away from becoming viable. To a liberal, that means start now. To a conservative it means never get started, waste resources on old, pollution producing oil and on top of that feed these fortune 500 companies subsidies. Yours is the way of the dinosaur. Mine is the way of the future.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 11:30 am
    madest: I`ve already named several of the 119 `green energy` companies that have went bankrupt in this country in the past ten years. That record of failure and political idiots, like yourself, throwing money at them hand over fist, is the real waste.

    Solyndra is Obama`s watergate, he`s already refused a congressional subpoena of his files on Solyndra.

    Yours is the way of corruption, pipe dreams, and massive fraud/waste.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    You named several companies. So what? Any new technology is going to have growing pains. You know we can`t drill our way into independence. If not now, when should we stop drilling and concentrate our resources on the new?
    I`ll tell you when. Never! There is never a good time that republicans look for change. In fact it`s what "conservative" means. We "liberals" are all about change. Look it up. You`ll see. You`re not changing my mind. Your party will never take ANWR away from the citizens of America. Nor will you have your stupid KeystoneXL pipeline.

    PS: There has never been corruption anywhere near the scale of the Iraq war. Don`t make me prove it. Solyndra is nothing and what you know about it is fed to you from conservatives. You know what that means.
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    PTPete Female 30-39
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    November 28, 2011 at 11:12 pm
    What a jackass.

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