UFOs: You Want The Truth? You Can`t Handle It...

Submitted by: SamWise050 5 years ago Science

Strong evidence supporting the UFO phenomenon. The truth is out there, all you have to do is open your eyes.
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Male 12,365
As for the idea that a species with such staggeringly advanced technology that they can easily travel thousands of light-years would come to Earth for resources...well, that`s just plain silly.

Even if gold is the magic material you think it is (for no known reason - you`re just making it up), it`s not only found on Earth. It`s not even common on Earth. Besides, if they wanted it that much and their technology is that advanced, they`d just make it. *We* can make gold from more common elements, with our current level of technology. Interstellar travellers, with their vastly more advanced technology, would surely be able to do it, probably very easily.

You are sadly lacking in both knowledge and imagination, despite your fantasies of magic gold and god-aliens.
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Male 12,365
[quote]@Angilion: your summing up of the number of years it would take to "survey the universe" or "get to us" is very ignorant in the sense that you`re applying our own limitations as human beings and the techknowlogy we have (in main stream).[/quote]

Yeah, because we totally have technology in the mainstream that would allow us to do detailed surveys of 10,000 stellar systems per year. I use a device that allows me to instantaneously teleport across any distance every day just to pop to the corner shop. It`s so mainstream, I just bought one for my dog.

Are you trying to make a fool of yourself or does it just come naturally?
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Male 290
Other thoughts: for those of you wondering why an ET race would be interested in us, try taking this for a spin. Imagine that there`s races like us in the sense that they have a napoleonic thirst for conquest that is fueled by the idea that, like us, think they are the be all, end all, of intelligence in the universe. Also consider the idea that our planet itself is an inhabittable one, that is rich in many resources (ones we are destroying) that are very valuable not only on an earthly scale but a universal scale. take gold for instants, we`ve yet to tap into the true value and potential of gold. we do take advantage of it being an excellent conductor, like bose audio did for the first time with gold plating for the male pieces on head phones and other sound cables, but I think that it can do so much more. we can`t even imagine the possibilities of what some of our resources can do.
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Male 290
@Angilion: your summing up of the number of years it would take to "survey the universe" or "get to us" is very ignorant in the sense that you`re applying our own limitations as human beings and the techknowlogy we have (in main stream). DO NOT assume that other civilizations are limitted by the same techknowlogies as us, or even the same physical dimensions as us, for there are being out there that are spiritually more evolved than humanity and live conciously in one, two, three, or even four dimensions past our three dimensional existance.
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Male 174
I like the guy at 01:09 saying "back in the 50`s the question was `do they come from Mars or Venus?` and by the 60`s the question became "do they come from Alpha Centauri or <another name>`" and continues "now the question is `do they come from this dimension or another?` or are they from another time?" and that`s hilarious. Basically the guy is saying that their people believed ETs were from Mars, then as we could get better pictures of it they moved on to the next galaxy, then as we came to see them more clearly they moved on to something that cannot be (un)proven to exist. Nice job, crazy people!
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Male 12,365
Gah, cut off as usual:

...and they want to explore everywhere.
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Male 12,365
I`ll give some numbers:

The number of stars in the observable universe is estimated to be between 10^22 and 10^24, usually in the region of 10^23.

The number of stellar systems is lower because some systems have more than one star, but 5x10^22 is reasonable. Certainly no less than 10^22.

Assume for the sake of argument that an alien civilisation is determined to survey the universe, has the technology to do it and pours so many resources into the project that they can survey 10,000 stellar systems every year!

It would take them ~5,000,000,000,000,000,000 years to complete the study.

The age of the universe is ~13,700,000,000 years.

To find humanity, they would have had to survey this stellar system in detail within the last 2,000,000 years (and that`s including pre-human hominids, not just humans).

So it`s spectacularly unlikely that they would know we exist, even if they exist, their technology is godlike and they wan
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Male 12,365
[quote]If youwant to look for the simplest answer, consider how vast the universe is, and the mathematical impossibilty of us being the only intelligent beings in the universe.[/quote]

Wrong. Improbability is not impossibility. You are also making a false appeal to authority. You choose maths instead of science or god(s), but it`s the same idea.

[quote]Now consider how arrogant it is to assume that our own intelligence is equal to or superior to any other potential life forms.[/quote]

We`ve no knowledge of other potential lifeforms. Maybe we`re as smart as it gets. Maybe not. Besides, the assumption you state isn`t necessary.

You refer to the vastness of the universe, which does make it probable that people exist elsewhere (on the basis that anything that is possible, not matter how unlikely, probably happened more than once).

So how would they find us?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion: Actually since God is omnipotent he wouldn`t be constricted by Planck or any science theories that we`ve devised.[/quote]

You apparently think that counters my argument.

Would you explain why? To me, it seems a completely irrelevant statement of faith.
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Male 3,081
"They are not on a human scale. "


Just as well any aliens out there wouldn`t be working to human scales then i guess.


with hundreds of billions of stars just in our galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe, it`s almost certain that intelligent life has evolved somewhere else out there....however, yes given the distances involved it`s unlikely they`d pop here for a visit.....especially considering if they were capable of getting here, then we`d probably hold about as much interest to them as moss on a rock. As a species we`re arrogant enough to think all the aliens out there would be seeking us out - they most likely wouldn`t, well not unless it was for food.
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Male 116
trebowski, consider the mathematical unlikelyhood of us being around at the same exact time as a compatible life form in our dimension, when faced with the vast expanse of eternity. Maybe there where alien life forms, 10 billion years ago, maybe theyre dead now. How long has our civilization reached a piont we even understand our own solar system? A century or two? (OK, 2000 years if your Greek) and how long will this state of affairs last? Do you know how long it takes light to travel to a star? People here are underestimating the distances and time frames involved. They are not on a human scale.

A scientific guess, based on the sampling method used in all forms of science, would say: So far, 1 universe, 1 planet with life, these are our observed FACTS. Extrapolate from this, we get an educated guess of an average of 1 life bearing planets per universe. Thats science at work. The rest is conjecture.
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Male 116
Madest knows a lot about religous people and what they think and believe, because he has read a lot of stuff written by atheists and talked a lot with other unbelievers like himself.

Madest, the stuff you mention as religious peoples beliefs are more accurately described as what an anti-theist thinks religious people believe, in caricature. I know, its hard to study something your not into, in that case, best not to mouth of the whole time either.

Anyways, fun vid, many questions, no answers = bullpoo/entertainment.
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Male 9
I don`t see any evidence in this...
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Male 3,364
@EgalM: Correct, but I take exception with your assertion that ALL ufo`s are from Earth. If youwant to look for the simplest answer, consider how vast the universe is, and the mathematical impossibilty of us being the only intelligent beings in the universe. Now consider how arrogant it is to assume that our own intelligence is equal to or superior to any other potential life forms. Can you know still assert that all UFO`s are our creations?
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Male 18
Until there is real proof instead of `strong evidence` like IAB claims this video is... (and it wasn`t at all) I`ll remain in disbelief. No sense adding one more thing to my list of crap I don`t care about when there`s no evidence at all for it.
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Male 37,888

They had me at "Military-medical- petrochemical-pharmaceutical cartel"
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Male 1,737
Do UFO`s exist? Yes! The catch, they are all from earth. Just cause it isn`t identified doesn`t mean it came from space. Sometimes the simplest answers are the correct ones.

If you highly charge a capacitor it will move towards one pole. A man by the name of Brown made pair of discs that were propelled in such a fashion via 50,000 volts. The U.S. military quickly bought the plans and classified it.

People will believe whatever helps them sleep at night.
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Male 7,378
Ever notice how relious people are so willing to move the goal posts? In the beginning God created the heaven and earth and on the seventh day he rested. Science has proven that to be utter nonsense and religious people have recently come around to accept that the big bang occurred (which is only a theory) and it was God who made that happen. Well if there was a big bang and God made it happen wouldn`t God have died in the process? Oh yeah I forgot he`s omnipotent and can do anything except actually help people in jeopardy... UFO`s piloted by little green men are indeed much more believable than religious nonsense.
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Male 3,472
Snookie! "Couple years, couple beers!"
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Male 14,773
So much religious bollox wrapped up in scientific mumbo jumbo, that it is simply pitiful.
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Male 249
That thing with DMT, it`s not a big mystery, it`s just a nature`s way to ease the process of dying for us.
@CrakrJak - there`s so no such thing as `inconsequential piece of knowledge`... That`s just plain ignorance. E=mc², anyone.. Everything you see, every piece of technology is derived from scientific theories and research. Liquid crystals, silicon chips, interwebs, polio vaccine, tuperware lol... all those things exist because of theoretical physicist (and others) needed more sophisticated machines to work with. There is absolutely no unusable knowledge (as far as science is concerned), just a layman`s lack of understanding. And those geniuses have nothing to do with world problems, they offered us more than one solution to them. They exist `cos of the big money and greed. This is what is stopping humanity`s progress
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Male 3,081
@ Crakr "Angilion: Actually since God is omnipotent he wouldn`t be constricted by Planck or any science theories that we`ve devised. "


Yeah....God has always got that `magic` to fall back on in any argument. God can do anything cause he`s God. yeah, right.


As for "I see geniuses wasting their time with unsolvable puzzles and it sickens me to know they could be curing cancer, curing HIV/Aids, inventing new technologies, ridding the world of famine, solving our energy needs, and other more useful pursuits. "

Where do you think the science behind things like medical isotopes was devised from? Same for the technology used in MRIs too.....and any number of medical or productivity advances. They came from the same high energy particle physics research that`s involved in looking at the origin of the universe.
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Male 153
Thats it, CrakrJak said it! Lock this forum up, forever.
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Male 17,512
Angilion: Actually since God is omnipotent he wouldn`t be constricted by Planck or any science theories that we`ve devised.

In the end, does it really matter ? How does that scientific curiosity, that we couldn`t possibly make practical use of, really help humanity ?

Please elaborate how the ignorance of such a unprovable, ethereal, elusive, and inconsequential piece of knowledge, The minute details of Big Bang theory, harms us.

We can`t ever possibly know it all, at some point we need to realize the futility of wasting huge sums of money on the diminishing returns of certain scientific studies and concentrate on the ones that can truly help us.

I see geniuses wasting their time with unsolvable puzzles and it sickens me to know they could be curing cancer, curing HIV/Aids, inventing new technologies, ridding the world of famine, solving our energy needs, and other more useful pursuits.
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Male 12,365
Ah, I notice that you made the "outside of time" argument.

If your god could exist outside of time, so could the starting conditions for the universe.

Anything that you argue about your god can be applied to the universe just as well. Nobody knows what happened before the size of the universe reached the Planck length and/or its age reach the Planck time. You declare that your god did it, without any reason to do so. It`s just your faith. You could just as easily (and just as validly) say that that mice did it, or that Zaphod Beeblebrox used a time machine to do it in order to ensure that his awesomeness would have an audience. Maybe I did it/will do it, with a time machine. And maybe nobody did it, because "before time existed" has no meaning.
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Male 12,365
In short, any argument that applies to the universe also applies to your god and vice versa. Apart from the fact that the universe actually exists, of course, but that`s not the point here.

Do I know how the universe started? No.
Do you? No.
Does anyone else? No.

The difference is that you worship your lack of knowledge.
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Male 12,365
mike59271:

For all of your false appeals to authority in an attempt to make your faith a parasite on science, you still have no argument. You cover that fact up well and no doubt you will fool some people, but it`s a facade without substance.

This is still true, and will remain true regardless of how many times you leech off science:

[quote]So what created your god?

As you say yourself, you can`t have an infinite regression of creative acts. So you are acknowledging that the first creation cannot have been an *act* of creation because there was nothing to act.

At most, you can argue that your god came into existence spontaneously and created what came later...but by doing so you are acknowledging that spontaneous creation can happen, which removes the need for a god to do the creating.

In short, your own argument undoes itself and proves nothing.[/quote]
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Male 12,138
[quote]From a philosophical perspective the universe and life necessitates an ABSOLUTE beginning. That is to say, you can not have an infinite regress of creative acts. That un-caused cause is non other than God himself, revealed in the bible. He fulfills all philosophical and cosmological requirements. The bing bang was caused by a, ready?? Time-less, Space-less, Immaterial being of unfathomable power who also was a personal free moral agent because only persons can bring something from a state of non-being to a state of being. There you have it, its crude but you need to hear this. UFO`s certainly ARE REAL. but their not visiting ET`s there DEMONS manifesting in our reality. Look to the NEPHILIM and the WATCHERS in the book of enoch. This stuff is real and the whole UFO thing is one HUGE deception that will be played out some time soon. Look to Jesus, and God Bless![/quote]

Aww, Crakrjak got a friend.
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Male 542
As of now the release of DMT is just a hypothesis, although a probable one. But quit citing it, or link up a source to validate it; I`m too lazy to look for one.

I enjoy having a spirituality, a sense of mystery. It`s hardwired into my nature. At this level of maturity I can`t see how anyone could live a sane life with some of these nihilist worldviews..
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Male 1,268
"our body releases enough DMT to take us to heaven."

This I like.

"What does Jesus(ET anal probe) look(feel) like?"
"Go have a near death experience juiced up on DMT and find out."
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Male 249
@Klamz - Fortunately, when we are about to die, our body releases enough DMT to take us to heaven. ;)
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Male 153
@Klamz Although I can`t agree with everything you have said. I do agree with releasing the burden... I actually remember when I did it. Scary at first, but the feeling of freedom was amazing :)
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Male 688
Alien intelligence probably exist, the drake equation shows it`s quite likely, but to assume it`s a cover up and that no massive event has ever taken place that can`t be covered up is ridiculous.

People just want something to believe in, to give them hope in life and after life.

Unfortunately once you die, it`s over.
Unfortunately nothing will change within your lifetime.
Unfortunately there`s no great mystery.
Unfortunately, someones going to mock me and make a post containing a lot of either "unfortunately"`s or "fortunately"`s

Once you accept the truth to life, you can finally just be happy with it. :)

Release your burden.
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Male 688
I see no proof of anything in this video except the same principle that holds true my religious arguments.

Simply put, people want to believe in something more than what we are.

They choose to believe in a god so that one day they can live forever in happiness and help them deal with hardships in their lives by saying it means nothing compared to what comes after.

They choose to believe in aliens and conspiracies for the same reason, so they can feel that there is something more to life that just a meager existence that doesn`t mean anything and will never amount to anything more than what you are within your lifetime.

It gives people hope and it also satisfies a curiosity need at the same time.

It`s why things like Harry Potter, LOTR, Narnia, Twilight, etc are so popular.

There is no huge conspiracy about anything, the government/banks/world is run by a bunch of idiots just like your local town is.
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Male 153
I want to keep on feeding the monster.. But its just making him fat.
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Male 2,700
"people you have to remember to keep an open mind regarding these subjects....remember with an open mind a lot of more knowledge goes in."

An open mind is the Devil`s slut.....

Trolololo
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Male 7,378
Yeah was God from a race of Gods? Would your God worship a God? Where is his God? It`s all such endless infinite nothingness much like the universe itself.
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Male 12,365
Here`s a quote from Hawking, the main scientist mike59271 used for his false appeal to authority when falsely claiming that the particular god mike59271 has faith in has a scientific basis.

[quote]It`s my view that the simplest explanation is: there is no god. No-one created the universe and no-one directs our fate.[/quote]

mike59271:

You are just pulling names out of the air and falsely claiming that they agree with you, in the hope that you can fool some people who won`t check. That`s very low. I`d call it immoral, but you wouldn`t care because you have rejected the entire concept of morality and chosen religion instead.
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Male 598
Every living thing on our planet is explained by random mutation with natural selection. no shovel needed. even if there was a supernatural being that created all this, it would still give you absolutely no evidence that the judeo-christian god, or any other interveining entity, is the correct one.
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Male 12,365
To summarise:

Your faith is just that - faith. When you try to pretend that it is science or reason, you are wrong and dishonest. You are trying to usurp science and use the authority it has earned by being reliable for the benefit of your faith, like a virus infecting a cell and using it to make more viruses. It`s a very low thing to do.
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Male 12,365
[quote">Listen to Hawkings and all the leading cosmologists and physicists.[/quote">

False appeal to authority.

A particularly ignorant one, given that Hawking (not Hawkings) is a gnostic atheist. Not just someone who does not believe in the existence of gods, but someone who believes in the non-existence of gods and does so on the basis of superior knowledge and rational argument. You can hear his argument if you watch the first episode of "Curiosity". Here`s a link to the first part of it

And the second part

And the
Male 12,365
[quote]From a philosophical perspective the universe and life necessitates an ABSOLUTE beginning. That is to say, you can not have an infinite regress of creative acts. That un-caused cause is non other than God himself, revealed in the bible.[/quote]

So what created your god?

As you say yourself, you can`t have an infinite regression of creative acts. So you are acknowledging that the first creation cannot have been an *act* of creation because there was nothing to act.

At most, you can argue that your god came into existence spontaneously and created what came later...but by doing so you are acknowledging that spontaneous creation can happen, which removes the need for a god to do the creating.

In short, your own argument undoes itself and proves nothing.
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Male 3,310
mike59271:"You see a shovel, you wouldn`t possibly in a million years reasonably conclude that it just "popped" into being uncaused out of nothing!!! Would you really??"

Thinking that a shovel had anything other than a human creation/cause would be a bit crazy since we know that humans create shovels. Now, where was your lame analogy going? That humans made the universe? Or that God makes shovels? Or that God is intelligent same as humans?

I think we all see that what you are getting at here is that humans are gods.
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Male 4,902
@mike59271
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Male 80
This was so dumb that I feel dumber for watching it.
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Male 208
@Aints:

"Christians that PRAY on weak minded individuals."

HAHAHAHAHA! You said it right! -AMEN
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Male 34
Oooh, guys in suits saying stuff! I`m convinced.

You can use simple human greed as an explanation for almost everyone of those "arguments". You don`t need aliens to explain information being hidden from the public and the continued use of fossil fuels. Following the money doesn`t lead you to hidden alien leaders it leads you to rich people who want to continue making money off of you. The only difference is there is actually find proof of that.

I`m not saying I don`t believe in extraterrestrials, but this is like trying to explain that McDonalds makes their food unhealthy because of some illuminati plot to take over the world. They do it because it`s cheap and your fat a$$ is going to keep eating it.
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Male 153
@mike59271 Dude... You are giving very weak arguments that sound very familiar to manipulating Christians that pray on weak minded individuals. But after all, I understand, I was giving the same arguments 10 years ago.. That was also a time when people just couldn`t Google information and it was very easy to believe in things when they were not well educated. Google is my bible and I am my God ;)
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Male 25,416
i want to believe..... but i need to find logic and reasoning. But who cares im entertained!
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Male 14,330
@mike59271

Did little green demons molesterbate you??
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Male 55
i`ve said it a million times, and i`ll say it again. if there was an intelligent designer, why would our eat hole also be our breathe hole and our talk hole? and why would our fun hole be an inch from our waste hole? its just bad engineering.
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Male 103
people you have to remember to keep an open mind regarding these subjects....remember with an open mind a lot of more knowledge goes in.
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Male 508
All of the most intelligent species on this planet are predators. Protein fuels brain growth.

With that in mind, it stands to reason that any life that may have evolved on other planets would have evolved from predators.

So when I hear these new-agers saying that they`re friendly and here to help us I just want to smack them. It`s just not in a predator`s nature. When a sufficiently advanced culture meets a less evolved culture, it never ends well for the latter.
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Male 153
@DiePSPolice I can`t help it. My imagination loves to have fun a bit. After all, many things in life were preposterous at some point in time. Life is boring to me, unless I was an Apple fan who goes bat poo crazy for the new iphone. Sometimes a little chaos and craziness makes me feel a little more alive :)
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Male 153
@mike59271 You need to get out more..
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Male 493
@Aints: having an open mind doesn`t mean you accept everything. It means you are open to accepting new theories if it seems reasonable and the evidence is there to support it. So in this case, stop flip flopping - the idea itself is preposterous.
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Female 2,674
mike59271, if nothing created "God", why is it required for something to have created the universe? It`s not.
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Male 493
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Male 153
I flip flop on subjects like this. Although I would love to believe and keep an open mind, well, because that is the brightest thing to do. It is a very strange feeling though to have fiction slowly change to reality..
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Female 2,674
The people in this video are insane, omg...
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Male 2,440
mike59271, you are batsh*t crazy.
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Male 1,268
Like I said. Discussion of UFO`s may as well be religious dogma.

Again, how has God`s existence (Not perceived, but actual) or ET`s existence ever affected any human`s existence? Be real, it hasn`t.
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Male 1,268
Here`s my take.

Why do we care? Personally, I`ve never watched/read a single UFO conspiracy video/article. I didn`t even watch the X-Files when everyone`s grandma was watching it. Because I don`t care until their existence affects my own.

So why do those who believe care? Extra-terrestrial life feels like religious dogma to me. Has "Gods" "existence" ever directly altered any zealots life? Has ET`s? In these past millions of years, I`d say it`s unlikely.
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Male 12
Link: UFOs: You Want The Truth? You Can`t Handle It... [Rate Link] - Strong evidence supporting the UFO phenomenon. The truth is out there, all you have to do is open your eyes.
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