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  1. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 16, 2011 at 11:22 am
    Link: Police vs Cameras - John Stossel reports on Government vs. cameras
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    Well... Gerry is on the ball
  3. Profile photo of DromEd
    DromEd Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    Funny how big brother wants to put up cameras all over the place to catch you doing something wrong but can`t seem to tolerate you doing the same.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2011 at 12:26 pm
    "Until we had video, the police narrative was the official narrative".

    The only thing missing is we need to bring more of the bad cops to justice.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 16, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    2 party states. Both have to agree to being recorded.

    So is the cops dash cam inadmisable as evidence?
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    Lucky2u Male 18-29
    315 posts
    October 16, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    Personally I love that we have the ability to record all police incidents, not just to watch the police but to watch the people they deal with as well. Liars exist on both sides, but the camera always tells the truth.

    (unless it was photoshopped, lol)
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2011 at 1:13 pm
    I like to take a syringe and suck the juice out of a grape with it (I use red ones so they aren`t as sour). Then I take various juices, fruit punch, maybe some vodka occasionally and inject the grape with them. Then I eat them.

    Flavored grapes. Yummy! My favorite is Passion fruit grapes, I call them Passionate Grapes even though they are rated PG.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 16, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Last week in California, Gov. Brown vetod the "Luna Law" which would make it illegal for cops to seize your cell phones or other recording electronic devices. Currently, the are allowed to seize them without a warrent and without probable cause. They claim the acto of recording them is enough to cause suspicion or alarm in the officer. Of course, if a video gets erased while in their custody, `prove it`.

    Eventually, years from now, this will be changed in the Supreme Court but it will take a long time to get their and in the mean time, California will not honor the 4th ammendmant protection against illegal search and seizure.
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    AEimiller Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2011 at 1:35 pm
    Right, I think you should be allowed to record the police, BUT i think the police should also record citizens more than they already do. To often citizens have the benefit of the doubt in the public eye because they are one of us and we all have some inner vendetta against the police for one reason or another.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    October 16, 2011 at 2:01 pm
    @Gerry

    Isn`t it technically considered evidence if it`s relating to the crime or the arrest? If it may come up in court for the defense of someone who`s claiming to have been abused by police I think it`s their duty to collect the evidence and make it available.

    Or we can just say **** all to the evidence and put Foxy Knoxy in prison.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 16, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Klamz if it is in fact illegal to record them as the police maintain, then the evidence idea you suggest is tainted-evidence and cannot be used. But I didn`t specify recording during an encounter, though it is a likely scenario. Currently, the cops in CA can seize your phone. No warrent. No probably cause. Traffic stop, they can take it. So if he even suspects you might have recorded you can be in trouble.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2011 at 3:37 pm
    John Stossel is usually on the other side... this just feels weird...
  13. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    October 16, 2011 at 4:01 pm
    Why would a cop just take your phone.

    They wouldn`t.

    Don`t do things that people don`t like, whether it`s legal or illegal if you`re not prepared to accept how they might react, whether illegal or legal.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    I`m usually for the cops, but I see nothing wrong in recording them. Hopefully it will help to pull out the bad apples and safeguard the real law abiding cops out there.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 16, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Klamz "Why would a cop just take your phone. They wouldn`t. Don`t do things that people don`t like, whether it`s legal or illegal if you`re not prepared to accept how they might react, whether illegal or legal."

    I appologize for not being more clear. Let me put it in terms you can understand.

    Baa baa baa baa-baa baa baaaaaa !

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    Muert Male 30-39
    152 posts
    October 16, 2011 at 6:48 pm
    Klamz- Either that or they don`t want any record of something that happened. Sure it could be because the person taking the film might share it out of context. (The person I just tackled onto the sidewalk was filmed, the part where they broke a beer bottle on my partner`s head was missed.) But then, maybe he just wanted to watch and laugh while some guy got tazed.
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    davidildo123 Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2011 at 6:50 pm
    Why can`t I file a complaint when I am captured on the cops traffic camera, or on a security camera?
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    Klamz Male 18-29
    689 posts
    October 16, 2011 at 6:56 pm
    With Qik it makes taking the phone useless, by all means take it, it will make you look that much worse.
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    minigeko Male 18-29
    149 posts
    October 16, 2011 at 8:57 pm
    first few seconds, "they can arrest you, they can shoot you!" uhhh... yeah at will they can just arrest and shoot you. I hate the news
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2011 at 9:31 pm
    Gerry1of1: "if it is in fact illegal to record them as the police maintain, then the evidence idea you suggest is tainted-evidence and cannot be used."

    Nevertheless, if it goes up on youtube and becomes public scandal that the policec are in fact in the wrong, there will be great public pressure to drop the case and prosecute/discipline the officer.
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2011 at 10:42 pm
    on faux news and they are against the cops... just feels wrong....
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2011 at 11:56 pm
    Oh John Stossel, everytime I see him I can`t help but think of him getting bitchslapped by Dr. Death. John Stossel getting bitchslapped.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    October 17, 2011 at 1:15 am
    Um mervviscious, what are you talking about? His entire campaign is (and has been, over the better part of two decades) against government intervention in the free market and overextension of executive authority on every level! Do you even watch the show?
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2011 at 2:44 am
    drat the police, they get payed to drat you over and than lie about it to have just cause to arrest you and than have their cop friends back them up because they too are doing the same thing, more power to the people who record the police
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    davidildo123 Male 40-49
    143 posts
    October 17, 2011 at 3:23 am
    >first few seconds, "they can arrest you, they can shoot you!" uhhh... yeah at will they can just arrest and shoot you. I hate the news

    It does happen and the police have shot people without cause, look it up. In Chicago cops got arrested for torturing suspects.

    If you watch the end of the video you will see an officer knock someone off a bicycle and arresting them.
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    robinbeirne Male 18-29
    126 posts
    October 17, 2011 at 3:43 am
    America, The land of the free... unless you want to record something, protest or dance infrount of a statue.
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    furrything Male 50-59
    1310 posts
    October 17, 2011 at 4:42 am
    That Maryland Judge ought to run for President!
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    October 17, 2011 at 4:59 am
    John Stossel fan here.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    October 17, 2011 at 5:00 am
    Also, well said, DromEd.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2011 at 7:05 am
    Most of the times the persons being arrested are pissing the cops off trying to prove that they can be pissed off. It`s stupid, film them, STFU and stay out of their way. They are no different than any other emergency worker in that sense.

    All for the filming part, just not for the
    harassing them while they are just doing their jobs part.
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    dognose82 Male 18-29
    153 posts
    October 17, 2011 at 7:35 am
    This can all be solved in a very simple manner that should be satisfactory to all parties. You can`t film an arrest that you are not involved with inside a 50 ft area. Basically, it is your right to film, but you can`t interfere with the scene. Secondly, once you open your mouth then you are interfering. Basically keep your mouth shut and don`t bother someone involved in a stressful, potential violent, encounter.

    If you are involved, such as it is you being pulled over or arrested, then simply make the statement, "I am going to record you, do you have a problem with that?" If they do and order you to stop recording then they shouldn`t be allowed to admit any video they record into court (dash-cam videos, security cams, ATM videos, etc). Basically, they don`t want to be recorded and therefore they don`t have the right to record you.

    But just like in politics, neither side wants to compromise.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 17, 2011 at 8:11 am
    In many ways the 2 person rule protects people from pervs and such, but the police should not be protected by that law, nor should any other state, local, or government official.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 17, 2011 at 8:51 am

    The 2 person rule sounds like a good idea, but I don`t think anyone has the right to privacy when out in public. Why is my cell phone video illegal but security cameras on the street are legal?

    And what about in my home? If I set up a nanny cam I don`t have the baby-sitters permission, it would defeat the purpose.

    It`s a muddle. I am a major supporter of our privacy rights, but also of my freedom to do what the hell I want in my own home.

    I thinkonly the Gov`ment should be required to notify you if you are being recorded or to get warrents to do it secretly.
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    crudson Male 18-29
    589 posts
    October 17, 2011 at 11:09 am
    I like the eyephones from that Futurama episode.
    Click. Post.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
    303 posts
    October 18, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    I`m down w stossel
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
    740 posts
    October 18, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    Take my camera. When I come back, I will have a gun. I`ll give up the ammunition freely.
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    MountainBord Female 18-29
    1894 posts
    October 19, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    wuts up with the stachhh?! lol
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    October 19, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    In public, there are cameras at every stoplight, at the ATM, In just about every store into which I go. If I have no expectation of privacy in public, guess what? If you aren`t objecting to the dashcam or appearing on the TV Show Cops, my cellphone cam will continue to roll baby roll.

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