Obama Says Every US Soldier Will Come Home By 2012

Submitted by: fancylad 5 years ago in

That"s right, every American soldier will be sent home by the end of this year.
There are 85 comments:
Male 42
OMFG WILL NOTHING MAKE YOU PEOPLE HAPPY. EVERYONE SCREAMING BRING OUR TROOPS HOME FROM IRAQ AND HE DOES IT NOW PEOPLE ARE FINDING PROBLEMS WITH THAT. OMG I NEED TO GET OFF THIS PLANET NOW
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Female 737
In Iraq... Soldiers in Iraq will come home. This does not include the troops in other countries. Misleading tittle.
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Male 39,904

That frees up a lot of troops to invade Iran.

woo-hoo ?
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Male 15,832
Draculya, are you so stupid that you cannot even tell when you`ve been insulted? The point was that she is so incredibly naive that she actually believes that she has a choice as to whether someone wants to rob, rape, or murder her.

If you want to make peace with Islamic surprmacists, you have the following choices: 1) convert to Islam, 2) become a slave or a dhimmi, 3) die, or 4) emmigrate. (It should be noted that this last choice is a limited-time offer and only good as long as there still exists a non-Muslim country to which you can flee.)

You want to ensure that the Islamo-fascists are not your enemy? Pick one.
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Male 186
I`m glad there coming home but next springs headline will be, "Iranian troops pour over the boarder..."
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Male 2,796
Kuwait? Not a warzone dude
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Male 426
well. accept Kuwait, and Afghanistan.
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Male 7,378
One down one to go.
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Male 2,796
"what about all the soldiers that got killed and blown up and such?
they coming back too? we gonna resurrect the soldiers killed while fighting a stupid unjustifiably prolonged war before christmas?"

Yes. Have any other super cool questions?
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Male 249
It`s funny how you all discuss amercun military spendings, and no one is concerned with global impact of US military involvement all over the globe. To quote a character from the best Punisher episode ever- `The End`: You shout war on terror on chinese and they laugh so hard the world blows up in your face. That`s the trouble with the war you never want to end.
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Male 3,285
Never going to happen. It will encourage even more terroism.
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Male 174
Thank you Mr. President
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Male 246
Home by the holidays? does that include Thanksgiving? cause when I and others say the holidays, I usually mean the time from Halloween to New Years Day....obviously not in time for Halloween...and Thanksgiving is only a month away. Perhaps it`s possible to bring the rest home in a month, but that would be extremely difficult. Should we bank for the religious holidays? The only two criticisms of the speech was that he didn`t mention Iran (though we`re not at war with them, but war seems likely) and that he didn`t give a specific date. Two things that I think are important.
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Male 605
Oh, I forgot to mention, but people should acctually read through the 2011 budget

It`s pretty interesting. Also, a breakdown of government spending here, here, here and here
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Male 605
@markust123 Why did you quote me when you posted those numbers on spending increases? That had nothing to do with what I said.

@plastinum well, if you won`t believe what the government say they spend it on even a bit, then you won`t find a more reliable source. You can`t just say "America spends way more on the military than on anything else". What does that mean? On EVERYTHING else? I already said, they spend more on Health and pensions. Health alone costs them 0.9 Trillion, 0.1 trillion less than military spending. It`s a lot of money, sure (the same amount they spend on Education, in fact), but not `Way more`.

(2011)
Total Spending: 3.8 Trillion
Pensions: 0.8 Trillion
Health: 0.9 Trillion
defence: 1 Tillion
Welfare: 0.5 Trillion
Education: 0.1 Trillion
(Source)

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Female 33
They`ve been reducing the amount of troops in Iraq for awhile. Believe it when he says that we will be out of Iraq by the end of the year. We are almost there already. But all that is going to happen is the troops that would have been going to Iraq are now going to be going to Afghanistan. I don`t believe that our military is going to receive the much needed break. I`m not sure what current deployment times are but during my husbands last tour they were 15 months overseas, 12 months home. When he got out they were changing it to 15 months home, 12 overseas. These were army stats at Fort Campbell, KY. The #1 reason my husband hasn`t reenlisted (army)is the very long deployments.
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Male 2,424
Hopefully we dont have to go back.
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Female 3,726
Nytewulf
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
471 Posts Friday, October 21, 2011 2:28:56 PM
I`ll believe it when I see it. Not that I`m anti or pro Obama, I just know the situation is more complicated than simply bringing EVERY soldier home.
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You have no clue! We`ve already been pulling out for the last 2 years. And guess what? The majority of Iragies don`t want us to go and it`s not about the money. We`re on the last phase of getting everyone home. It`s been a long hard process but dammit it`s finally happening. Thank you Obama! I`m glad I`m not going back...Osiriscend, back me up here.
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Male 15,261
@OldOllie If she said that, she had a good point. If I have a disdain for violence, as the last refuge of the incompetent(*), I abhor war.

(*) Credit where it`s due: I quote Asimov in his book Foundation, who in turn tips his hat to Samuel Johnson who wrote "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

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Male 15,261
@Neagle Thanks that was a nice measured response. I do not hate all Americans. My wife and other members of my family are American. What I do hate is the behaviour of the nation towards other nations and its own citizenry. It`s not just the government that has lost its way, but the people; the entire culture has turned from wholesome values to self gratification and wanton, undeserved greed. I especially dislike the way many Americans choose to ignore the truth whitewashing over our pleas with a "USA! USA! USA!" Talk about spiking the football.

It is not just America that I dislike. I hate China, where I reside, for all the same reasons, plus a generous topping of corruption and lack of sympathy for the plight of the small man.

While I remain proud of my own nation`s (UK) past achievements I dispair about what it is also becoming.

There are better nations, but it`s better to consider how we can improve.
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Male 255
what about all the soldiers that got killed and blown up and such?
they coming back too? we gonna resurrect the soldiers killed while fighting a stupid unjustifiably prolonged war before christmas?
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Male 1,404
Draculya how quickly you condemn my country with self-endowed righteousness and speak for an entire continent while I can assure you I could find those individuals in which country you reside that hold a starkly opposing view than yours. That`s OK because my nation also has those individuals with feelings similar to your own. Your countryman made a choice to allied with many nations who could see the potential danger presented to those nations citizens by mad men.
You do have a point though that America does need to be introspective and be a better World citizen I hope that we put an end to way to generous trade as well as technological sharing imbalances and policies that do not directly benefit our nations financial interests. Don`t worry I`m am rather certain the majority of my fellow citizens are starting to come to a consensus.
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Male 313
How is he taking credit for this? Dec 31, 2011 was the deadline set by Bush in the SOFA. All he is doing is keeping Bush`s timeline.
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Male 1,197
way to abandon everyone that has helped you in this war america

this is why you are universally hated around the world, because you cant stand a prolonged fight
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Male 15,832
@Draculya Gee, Dracky, you`re ALMOST as smart as that world renown philosopher and all-around mental giant Sheryl Crowe who once said, "I think war is never the answer to solving any problems. The best way to solve problems is to not have enemies."

WOW! Don`t you wish YOU had said THAT!
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Male 15,832
Trust me, this is not going to end well. Ahmadinejad and the mullahs are jacking off and laughing their asses off tonight.
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Male 2,796
Well I am super glad to see the armchair general has a boyfriend
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Male 5,006
"The only way to reduce the risk of death by terrorism is to become better world citizens."

You are spot on Draculya. When nations work together and share intelligence they can work together to stop terrorism. It is that simple. The reaction of the Bush administration actually amplified the problem ten fold. His administration had the world united and they blew it. If they would have gone into Afghanistan with a full united force and captured or killed Osama it would have shown the terrorists that there are consequences. Instead they went in with minimal troops and let him slip away, which made Osama out to be some kind of super villain. Then they basically ignored him with their war in Iraq. While all the time terrorist recruitment went through the roof.
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Male 2,796
@Dracula:

That simple. huh? You hear that guys and gals? That`s all we need to be loved by everyone! Awesome, thank you for that... I am on the phone with the Prez and all of the big decision makers in our entire Government right now. We are all gonna hop right on that.

How does it feel to be an armchair general? Here is a drating medal for ya.
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Male 25,416
well we shall see
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Male 15,261
America, the world hates you for your arrogance and greed, but most of all your bullying foreign policies and your illegal wars of oppression, occupation, regime change and support of Israel.

Even your allies (myself included) hate you for dragging them in to your illegal wars. Your presidents make hollow promises about ending wars that never should have been. Yet your government remains largely ineffective in protecting its citizenry from terrorism. To completely prevent terrorism, you`d have to lose all the remaining freedoms you want to protect. The only way to reduce the risk of death by terrorism is to become better world citizens.

While you`re at it, build a better domestic culture and society. You need a more inclusive society with a smaller wealth gap. You owe that to yourselves. Cessation of spending on ridiculous wars and ineffective homeland security could fix that and balance your budget at the same time.
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Male 1,397
Yeah: coming home, to start patrolling the streets!!
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Male 4,902
@markust123,
"Spain`s Defense prior to their 2004 bombing $10B - Today $25B.

England`s Defense budget prior to their 2005 bombing $33B - Today $45B.

The US Defense budget prior to 9/11 $300B - Today $698B.

Can you say overreaction?"



2005 London bombing bodycount, 56

2004 Madrid bombing bodycount, 192

September 11, bodycount, 2,977

Just saying,
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Male 4,902
@drawman61, That`s an absolutely ridiculous theory, if anything, things will get worse.
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Male 1
out of Iraq...but what about Afghanistan
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Male 33
what about Afghanistan???? We need to be out of there. That`s another sink hole for American debt.
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Male 5,006
"How are the terrorists harming us most?
They are bankrupting us."

And I don`t think it was a coincidence that 9/11 happened during a Republican President`s term. The terrorists knew the Republican`s would spend more on war.
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Male 39,904

How did the U.S. beat Soviet Union?
We bankrupted them.

How are the terrorists harming us most?
They are bankrupting us.

Their strategy is working.
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Male 1,284
dont worry! were gonna find another war to fight
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Male 7,774
You know what, guys, this is what I think the whole Dec 2012 thing is. Not the end of the world but the end of treating each other like sh*t. Bin Laden gone, Saddam gone, Gaddafi gone. More and more politicians and bankers aree being found out. Think about it.
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Male 550
"In my Presidential Campaign I`m going to take the soldiers out of Iraq..."

Am I the only on getting deja vu.
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Female 836
GOOD
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Male 5,006
You know going through all these budget numbers I have to conclude that the terrorists have won. They have single handedly crippled the Western worlds economy.
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Male 5,006
Spain`s Defense prior to their 2004 bombing $10B - Today $25B.

England`s Defense budget prior to their 2005 bombing $33B - Today $45B.

The US Defense budget prior to 9/11 $300B - Today $698B.

Can you say overreaction?
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Male 1,073
Total caption fail. Not what Obama said. Not what`s happening.
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Male 329
Hatface I don`t know where you got your percentages from, there are quite a few misleading government issued pie charts out there. America spends way more on the military than on anything else. Only about 30% of Federal Taxes go to human resources. The rest goes to government/military: 11% government,5% physical resources, 36% current military, 18% past military.
So the scary part is are we coming home because we accomplished all of our military goals? OR is it because we are so drating broke as a country that we cannot afford to keep the war going? If it`s the latter (and I think it is) then that is just one more sign that the ship is going down.
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Male 5,006
I should also add that the scare tactics after 9/11 also added huge sums of unnecessary money to the Defense budget. I am so glad that Obama realizes that fighting terrorists requires a police mentality not a war mentality. His record proves he is right. Although looking at the graph he isn`t doing anything to cut the budget either.
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Male 5,006
"The USA spends 43% (approx) on health and pensions, roughly 20% on military. I THINK slightly over 20% on education (although I`m not sure on that last one). The whole "The USA spends more on Military budgets than the every other country." doesn`t hold up as well when you realise that, at he end of the day, you guys still just have a LOT more money than other nations to spend stuff on. Is it too much spending? I guess that`s the debate."

Bush more than doubled the US Defense spending by his seventh year with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.


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Male 10,855
[quote] He tried to kill my daddy,[/quote]

Really? We expect the entire surface of the planet to be safe for our Commander-in-Chief?
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Male 605
The USA spends 43% (approx) on health and pensions, roughly 20% on military. I THINK slightly over 20% on education (although I`m not sure on that last one). The whole "The USA spends more on Military budgets than the every other country." doesn`t hold up as well when you realise that, at he end of the day, you guys still just have a LOT more money than other nations to spend stuff on. Is it too much spending? I guess that`s the debate.
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Male 10,440
[quote] We don`t spend too much... [/quote]
Yes you do, even by your own admission. But what you said before that was hopeful, so, keep that up.
[quote] As opposed to making soldiers trained to deal with it by keeping them in combat situations and making them earn their pay. [/quote]
I`m no expert, but I`m pretty sure training is just as intensive if not more so than the war itself.
[quote] So you want to pay soldiers to sit around and do nothing, then when they finally see combat 20% of them end up going insane because they can`t handle death. [/quote]
That sounds like BS. For starters, you don`t have a draft, so the type of person to enlist is someone who is inclined to want to fight in war. Second, why would they see combat? Ending wars results in less combat. That`s kind of the whole point here.
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Male 525
I give this statement as much credibility as his promise to get his troops out of Iraq within the first year of his presidency.
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Male 5,006
"What exactly made Saddam so special than the rest? I`ve not heard any convincing argument."

"He tried to kill my daddy," GWB
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Male 10,855
[quote] So you want to pay soldiers to sit around and do nothing, then when they finally see combat 20% of them end up going insane because they can`t handle death.[/quote]

Stats or GTFO.

[quote] As opposed to making soldiers trained to deal with it by keeping them in combat situations and making them earn their pay.[/quote]

That`s why we got training.

Damn hawks are like liberals, they want our government to do more at the expense of the taxpayer. What they don`t realize is that it`s a major disincentive for others to step up and take responsibility.
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Male 10,855
[quote] The illegal acts and atrocities that he committed show enough in themselves, not to mention he violated all the main standards required by the internation community to not be removed.[/quote]

What exactly made Saddam so special than the rest? I`ve not heard any convincing argument.
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Male 10,855
It`s amazing we managed to keep them there that long is just amazing. Ultimately, despite our best efforts, things are just going to go back to the way they were. The only people who`ll be able to liberate the Afghanis are the Afghanis themselves.
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Male 5,006
I have zero respect for Rush Limbaugh but damn that is a cool picture.
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Male 39,904

This whole "Bring troops home" this is just to distact us from his so-called birth cirtificate!

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Male 2,796
"We can`t decrease our military numbers, nor will we, so let`s put em to use."

Not only can we, but we are. I can say first hand that promotions in the Marines have gotten insanely competitive and people are being "let go" left and right. It is much harder to get in and we are cutting the fat. Hell, even our tuition assistance went from $4500 to $875 a year. A YEAR!! I can only take one... ONE class a year with $875.

People who think we spend too much on the military make me want to vomit. We don`t spend too much... we waste the funding we DO have on stupid poo that is out of our control... that`s the problem. And when we are not actually at war, we are training to be at war. That`s what we do. We are ALWAYS training. drating always.
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Male 5,006
"We can`t decrease our military numbers, nor will we, so let`s put em to use."

We spend more on our Defense budget than the next nineteen countries combined. We damn well better cut our defense budget.
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Male 3,147
Klamz, have you ever served in the armed forces? It doesn`t sound like it. As a former professional serficeman I can tell you it doesn`t work that simplistically - professional soldiers need about 80% of them to have 80% of the time away from war to be able to function normally. The rest of the time that keeps you on your toes and combat ready can usually be made up by all the little secret wars we have and peacekeepting duties.
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Male 2,796
What people are not really understanding is that by the time Obama inheritted the war in Iraq they already knew that it was coming to an end within 2-3 years... so the promise he made was perfectly reasonable. But by no stretch of the imagination did Obama use his power or knowledge or any kind of presidential or political skill to make this happen... it was already happening before he took office. It simply takes that long to close up a war of that scale and tidy things up, train resident armies, fullfill promises and contractual obligations, etc. etc.

This isn`t a great feat of political prowess; it is simply a matter of course.
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Female 2,674
@markust123 Of course the Iraqi people want us to leave, and of course we shouldn`t have gone in there in the first place. But tons of US politicians and tons of US corporations want the wars to continue, so it`s unlikely for them to end anytime soon. I`ll be ecstatic when all of our meaningless wars end, but until it happens, I`m not getting my hopes up.

@Klamz I`m sorry that I don`t think wasting tons of money and lives in useless wars for "training" is a good idea...
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Male 598
To say that we shouldnt have removed Saddam is plain wrong. The illegal acts and atrocities that he committed show enough in themselves, not to mention he violated all the main standards required by the internation community to not be removed.
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Male 5,006
"Don`t be fooled by the groupthink. Obama is the best President this country has had in decades."

I agree wholeheartedly. Look at what he has to work with. It is amazing he gets anything done. Both sides of congress should be fired. It is so refreshing to have a President with his level of intelligence and his commitment to look at both sides of the issues. The haters hated him from the second he was nominated. They didn`t give him a chance to see how he would do. The hate just piled on. He could cure cancer and the haters would cry foul. The right wing extremists are bullies who whine and cry unless they are in charge. They`ll get "their country back" when they grow up.
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Male 197
Bush committing to removing them has absolutely no impact on it actually happening, the work to actually be able to do so was done under Obama.
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Male 4,431
Klamz, you may want to read this. Not only can we, we are.
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Male 256
"Don`t be fooled by the groupthink. Obama is the best President this country has had in decades."

Seriously!?? SERIOUSLY!!?? You mean President Lower The Bar? Please!! He`s the best at spending all of our money! He is in WAY over his head. As far as the troops are concerned, here comes the re-election campaign!
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Male 688
"I`d love for the useless wars to end soon, but it`s not likely."

So you want to pay soldiers to sit around and do nothing, then when they finally see combat 20% of them end up going insane because they can`t handle death. As opposed to making soldiers trained to deal with it by keeping them in combat situations and making them earn their pay.

We can`t decrease our military numbers, nor will we, so let`s put em to use.
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Male 5,006
Bush signed the treaty in August 2008 to help win the presidential election for Republicans. Obama campaigned with the promise to remove all troops. They both get credit. Although I give more to Obama because we never should have been in Iraq in the first place. And it was under Obama`s term that most of the details and the plan for the withdrawal were actually created
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Male 3,147
Everyone will be coming home.



(to resupply and ship out again)
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Male 5,006
"Funny that he should say this, when nearly everyone else in power neither plan for it to end nor want it to end. I`d love for the useless wars to end soon, but it`s not likely."

Uh, yeah. It`s the Iraqi government that wants us to leave. And the Iraqi citizens. We never should have been there in the first place. And to say we haven`t planned for this is just plain incorrect.
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Male 5,189
We will see. I hope he does though.
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Male 13
Don`t be fooled by the groupthink. Obama is the best President this country has had in decades.
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Male 1,010
Maybe Iraq can achieve some stability based upon the current government. But it is a conflict filled area but keep in mind Iraqis have a history of obtaining well run modern government, to a level comparable with Western societies. I think they may surprise. They have a sore history with Iran and a strictly religious Iran next to a more secular Iraq can be a problem. Iranians have interest in Iraq, they have participated in the war against the US the whole time. And now even the Kurds have power in Iraq, and the Sunni and Shiite conflict will always be there.

Afghanistan, on the other hand is a far worse case. The Taliban forces are still very strong and control large areas. Hamid Karzai is a corrupt gangster and drug dealer, and the Northern Alliance is weak without ground support. Most of the aid money to Afhanistan goes to corrupt people. Afghanistan is the worst mess.
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Male 2,422
Still committed to Afghanistan till at least 2015 though.
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Male 4,431
HFfoulkes, would you be blaming him (Obama) if he decided to keep them there? Yes, of drating course you would, so, your biased point is meaningless. Plus, without Bush putting them there for no good reason in the first place, neither man would have to bring them home, so, your biased point is doubly meaningless.
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Male 598
i am very pro-obama, but telling your enemies when you are going to stop fighting them, will only help their resolve, as shown in the past. will be good for his reelection tho.
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Male 4,431
Every soldier in Iraq, not every US Soldier. Big difference as we still have a significant force in Afghanistan.
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Male 39
Funny...this is the same time Bush signed a commitment to withdraw from Iraq while he was still President.

Go ahead and take credit Obama.
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Female 1,743
good.
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Female 2,674
Funny that he should say this, when nearly everyone else in power neither plan for it to end nor want it to end. I`d love for the useless wars to end soon, but it`s not likely.
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Male 513
I`ll believe it when I see it. Not that I`m anti or pro Obama, I just know the situation is more complicated than simply bringing EVERY soldier home.
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Male 2,376
duhhh, hes goign to need them to control uprising!!!
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Male 20,908
Link: Obama Says Every US Soldier Will Come Home By 2012 [Rate Link] - That`s right, every American soldier will be sent home by the end of this year.
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