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41 Responses to Jake Tapper Vs. Jay Carney On Killing US Citizens

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    motleystew Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 11:25 am
    Link: Jake Tapper Vs. Jay Carney On Killing US Citizens - If there were 100 more journalists like him we would live in a better country
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    Ujelly Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 11:45 am
    Take a look at the Video Publisher...


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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 4, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Change the scene to WWII...

    A U.S. citizen joins the german army and takes arms against U.S. forces. Would anyone have a problem if he got bombed in a German installation?

    This is a stupid political arguement to try and make Obama look bad. I`m not an O fan but I will not criticize him on this.

    Well done, Barry!
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 11:53 am
    I wish there was one station where the Jake Tapper`s of the world worked. He clearly understands the standards of journalism. Sensationalist networks like Fox and MSNBC could learn a lot from this man.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 11:53 am
    I wouldn`t normally be defending the Obama Admin. on any front, but Awalaki was a confirmed terrorist, terrorists don`t get rights under the Geneva Convention doesn`t matter if he was born in America or not.

    Bottom line is, Don`t go making bombs and making plans to bomb or terrorize and you won`t have bombs dropped on you or a seal team shoot you in the head.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    I wanted to clarify that I feel the government was in the right here with the killing of Awalaki. He was one of the best terrorist recruiters the world has ever seen.

    I just love it when a journalist blows the liberal media myth out of the water. It is always good to see accountability in journalism.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:13 pm
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    roariamadino Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    good stuff, nice work iab
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    @CrakrJak Ah but he`s not a `confirmed` terrorist is he? Tapper kept asking about the evidence associated with the accusations and Carney continually skirted the issue. Where is the evidence other than the "we say so"?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    Right, and Lincoln should have served arrest warrants to all Confederate soldiers, read them their Miranda rights, and given each of them a civilian trial in a federal court complete with an ACLU lawyer and an OJ jury.

    Tapper is completely full of $#!+ on this one.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    "Confirmed" by the administration and it`s predecessor. You haven`t seen the evidence CJ. Nobody has. Much like the WMD`s claim that got us into war they could have done the same to Alwaki. If there`s one thing a 40+ American must know by now is that everything your government tells you isn`t necessarily truthful.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    "Much like the WMD`s claim that got us into war they could have done the same to Alwaki."

    Yes, and Jake Tapper was one of the earlier journalist questioning the WMD claim. He`s good at his job. If there were more journalist like him we wouldn`t be in Iraq.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    madest: Awalaki made threats and plans to kill and terrorize, that is certain, there are al-qaeda videos of him making those threats.

    I mean what are you saying ? That Obama is a war criminal ? Obama might be a useless as an non-nice individual on an elbow, but he`s not a war criminal.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    I never thought this would ever happen, I`m defending Obama against madest.

    LOL
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:37 pm
    @CrakrJak "Awalaki made threats and plans to kill and terrorize, that is certain, there are al-qaeda videos of him making those threats."

    So, I`ve got video of my uncle Mike threatening to kill some guy who hit on his wife...nothing came of that either.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    Yeah the rantings of an American who`s country labeled him a terrorist. I would be angry in that situation as well. He was born here. Raised here. He may not have been a nice individual but that is just what we have been told and it certainly doesn`t mean he should lose his constitutional rights. You are agreeing to a slippery slope. I`m standing by the constitution.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:55 pm
    When Michael Savage says killing an american terrorist without due process is a third world act, "conservative republicans" need to rethink the constitution.

    Where was the Timothy McVay assassination? The Ted Kaczynski assassination? They didn`t happen because those would be acts of a fracking dictator.
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    krw888 Male 50-59
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    October 4, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    I think Obama did the right thing and given the chance should repeat it. What good would it do to bring him to court? Make another martyr for the terrorists?
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    BetterBob Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 1:13 pm
    There are hundreds of people marching on wall street vowing to take down the system.

    Time for a nuke.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 1:13 pm
    "Make another martyr for the terrorists?"

    Is English not your first language, or do you simply not care what the meaning of martyr is?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    I`m loving this discussion. Right is Left and Left is Right. I hope it is a sign that people are breaking free from the partisan shackles of opinion media and 24 hour news.
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    Neagle Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    I do feel that Congress is neglecting it`s Constitutional duty to convey trials in matters of treason. If Congress had convicted Anwar al-Awlak of treason in absentia it would not have put the President in a questionable position. Anwar al-Awlaki did a really good job declaring himself a enemy of the United States in his own words. The President did his duty in this matter. We are not fighting a battle restricted to a traditional battleground nor a sovereign nation but, an organization bent on the genocide of the American people as well as anyone who disagrees with there way of life.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    meh...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 3:39 pm
    madest: You know what, I think you just convinced me.

    Let`s impeach Obama now, because he killed Awalaki.

    As if his lies, cronyism, and ineptitude wasn`t reason enough already.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 3:53 pm
    Would it be so surprising if you found that Alwaki was not involved in terrorism at all? The truth will come out eventually and nobody will be surprised. Our government lies as a whole, they lie as individuals. They lie to each other and they lie to us. We went to war based on lies. Why wouldn`t we accept the assassination of an American citizen because of lies?

    Our Attorney General lied to Congress about what he knew and when he knew it and he`s the chief law enforcement officer in the country! The system is based on lies and as a result, we lie to ourselves when we believe them.
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    Seneca22 Female 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    Covering loss of nationality: United States Code: Title 8 Section 1481, 7: "...committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction." In this case do you have to be present to be convicted in this scenario?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    madest: Yup, the government lies, and you want more of it in our lives, like Obamacare, higher taxes, and more regulations on business.

    It seems that you would finally realize that government isn`t the answer and that the less of it there was the better off we`d be.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    Seneca: George Washington`s rebuke of traitors, "I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    No CJ, That`s a ridiculous leap of faith. People lie, not the system. The system can and does work. It`s when people circumvent the system for political expediency and pretend like the people who question their actions are somehow crazy. This is a constitutional question and there should be an investigation. Is what Obama did constitutional? If not, impeach his ass.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 5:15 pm
    I`d just like to point out that Ronald Reagan enacted executive order 12333. Sec 2.11 reads:
    "No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination."

    So didn`t Obama actually break the law?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    It`s when people circumvent the system for political expediency and pretend like the people who question their actions are somehow crazy. This is a constitutional question and there should be an investigation

    Unfortunately, the system relies on those very same people, and thus it is flawed.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm
    Awlaki and due process

    By your`s truly: Cato Institute.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:10 pm
    madest: Our government lies as a whole...

    People lie, not the system. The system can and does work.

    Contradicting yourself again, as usual.

    ...there should be an investigation. Is what Obama did constitutional? If not, impeach his ass.

    Obama`s track record indicates he`ll throw people under the bus to save his own ass, Eric Holder is next in line for that.
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    PTPete Female 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:19 pm
    How angry would any of you had been if Jane Fonda had been blown away while rubbing elbows with the enemy during the Vietnam conflict?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:37 pm
    PTPete: I wouldn`t have shed a tear over Jane Fonda had a bomb from a B-52 dropped on her. She gave aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war, she should`ve been arrested and tried the minute she set foot back in the US.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 11:45 pm
    You acknowledge what should`ve happened with Fonda, but claim indifference for what shouldn`t happen based on the constitution.

    That`s fine, you`re allowed to disagree with the constitution. Today.

    That said, her threat to national security was practically rewarded in her time. Ted Kaczynski got his day in court and actually managed to avoid the death penalty in his time. Anwar was blown the frack up for convincing kids killing themselves in a fight against America is a brilliant way to die in his time. How long do you expect it to take before merely disagreeing with "Executive law" is a public offense?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2011 at 1:03 am
    Scuzoid: I`m not `indifferent` when it comes to the constitution, Awalki was actively training terrorist, according to an FBI report released today, and, I believe, lost his citizenship rights when he started actively taking part in Al-Qaeda`s war on the US.

    But if liberals, like madest, want to impeach Obama for this, I say go right ahead. Obama`s other lies and actions more than deserve that indictment.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2011 at 4:06 am
    He`s preaching, not asking.

    Nevertheless, I guess one day members in the Obama administration ought to answer for extra-judicial killings and other crimes against humanity.

    Only they won`t, because many believe they have to do some things that break the law in the interests of the nation, yet the nation can`t place them above the law.

    So the plebs gnash and grind their teeth and mumble `constitution` under their breath and leave the patricians to rule over them.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2011 at 11:15 pm
    i love how he dodges the issue so well, i wasnt aware blah blah blah, we have evidence blah blah blah.
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    bongsmoka420 Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2011 at 2:39 pm
    @CrakrJak: Just cause an FBI report says, he was "actively training terrorists", does not mean it is true. Though, what I would assume from it, is that he WAS, in fact, too informed, and possibly planning an actually effective way, to counter the terror and oppression that the US government and those who control it (most of them not even being government officials) spreads amongst the american people. So what they had to do is get him out of the picture, and to do so, they were able to apprehend and arrest him, legally, not constitutionally, but legally, under the Patriot Act that was put into effect by Dub`Ya and took away many of our constituntional rights, making claims that was a "terrorist" and that was supposed to make it okay for them to do all this and the people are conditioned to just turn their heads because we`re afraid of the BIG BAD TERRORISTS. but who are the real terrorist here? we`re afraid of speeding tickets, we`re afraid of credit debt, of law-s
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    bongsmoka420 Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2011 at 2:41 pm
    continued...

    the FBI. all these things TERRIFY us into submissive obedience. the REAL terrorists are the politicians, the corporations, and the law enforcment officers that hover above us with an iron fist, making sure we`re in check.

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