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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:44 am
    Link: Effective Communicator Takes On FoxNews - Testy interview with FoxNews and Wall Street occupier. Something tells me you won`t see this interview on their channel.
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:11 am
    HAHAHAHA what a dratin douchebag.. totally trying to bait him into saying something violent. but that guy was having none of it.. there trying to make protestors look violent and stupid.. dratin media. i stopped watching tv "news" years ago.. i only get my news from people with "no agenda" every sunday and thursday
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:18 am
    i like turtles
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:19 am
    well done.....
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:25 am
    I`m still waiting for them to clearly define what they are protesting and their propsed solutions.
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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:27 am
    *applaudes* Silly Fox News...wanting to catch the protesters being dirty
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:30 am
    There are a whole lot less poor in America than people think.

    Well, that`s not a fair statement. American poverty and world poverty are two totally different things. You can`t be poor and have cable, and 2 TV`s, and a car, and a microwave, etc. etc.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:31 am
    "I`m still waiting for them to clearly define what they are protesting and their propsed solutions."

    DING DING DING!

    "WE HATE WALL STREET! THEY ARE CROOKS!" How ya gonna fix it? "I dunno. poo."

    Most of these people are protesting, because it`s cool.
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    pokherkid Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:33 am
    well said its people like him that restore a little faith for me in america
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:35 am
    insane ai@ While I`m not sure that they`ve proposed any solutions, it`s become clear that they`re protesting Wall St. corruption and how it`s affecting the majority of Americans.
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    Aints Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:35 am
    In my opinion.. Nothing will change.. God we are so hooked on "winning" little things like "rights" or our "freedoms".. Its to late, just eat doritos, drink beer and watch family guy until the end :)
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    Beardofzeus Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:36 am
    owned. I wonder what that guy does for a living? I`ll bet he`s successful...
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:36 am
    That was baiting at its best
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    Scott_2150 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:42 am
    This guy sounds like he knows what he is talking about. It`s almost like he had been rehearsing those answers months in advance. Keep an eye out for him, he could hit the big news.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:43 am
    Auburnjunky: "You can`t be poor and have cable, and 2 TV`s, and a car, and a microwave, etc. etc."

    Um....WHUUUTTT? What makes you think that? These days there are listings for tv`s on Craiglsist for next to nothing, if not outright free. You can get a used computer (good for writing up resumes and researching job openings) for about $25. Some charities also supply them for free. Same thing with microwaves. Perhaps instead of complaining about what struggling people have as possesions (otherwise called "class warfare"), maybe we should be more pissed off at Wall Street fat cats who give themselves insane bonuses after asking for bailouts, and then keep doing what caused them to need the bailouts in the first place. That`s a little more important, don`t you think?
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:45 am
    oh, and if they have a car, what are they supposed to do, sell it? Not all parts of the country have mass transit, you know, and conservatives keep shooting down improving our infrastructure as "wasteful" anyway.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:47 am
    "Okay, so you want to take the money from the rich people and give it to the poor people, right?"

    "Yeah."

    "So, then, what`s your plan for NEXT year?"

    "..."
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:52 am
    I can`t wait until those baindead hippies calm down and go back to whatever they were doing before this silliness.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:59 am
    "maybe we should be more pissed off at Wall Street fat cats who give themselves insane bonuses after asking for bailouts, and then keep doing what caused them to need the bailouts in the first place. That`s a little more important, don`t you think?"

    Yes. I agree. Here`s the thing though. Some (read: most) of the occupiers are calling for an end to Capitalism. I can`t think or a better economic structure. Socialism? Nope. That would destroy the middle class, and grow the lower class. Anarchist/Barter system? Please. That would lead to lawlessness and unrestricted prices. Capitalism is the best way to distribute wealth and goods to a group of people. It isn`t perfect, but it`s the best we can do (right now) as humans.
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    The idiot reporter does indeed make the interviewee look smart by comparison. But the interviewee is still a propaganda filled True Believer who thinks with his heart and not with his brain.
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    greguba1 Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    the only reason i`m bringing this up is because the video did. the reason a big deal was made out of the presidents birth cirtificate is because he didnt have one. it took the leberals weeks to produce it because they had to make it. when they finaly came up with one, the morons listed his race as aferican-american a leberal term that was`nt used untill the 70`s or 80`s.....obama was born before that oooooops.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    greguba1, troll somewhere else.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Give that man a baloon, he`s great.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    [email protected] that think they can change things. Protip: you cant and you wont.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    Zing!

    They obviously never aired that... but whatever. Its good to see someone out there I agree with AND is more patient than me.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    You can get a 40" TV free at the dumpster at my complex. It works fine I threw it away for my mom she got a new one and hoped one of my loser friends would want it but they`ve all moved on to free flat screen TV`s. Poor in America does not equate to poor in Pakistan and it never will but that doesn`t mean that poor people in America aren`t poor. They`re just poor by American standards.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    This guy believes that the government is the source of everything. If he does not have it it is because the government gave it to someone else. He has failed to learn the lessons of over 5000 years of human history. Then given the opportunity to express his opinions and ideas on the issue at hand he attacks the one news group that was giving him equal time.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    >>>"maybe we should be more pissed off at Wall Street fat cats who give themselves insane bonuses after asking for bailouts, and then keep doing what caused them to need the bailouts in the first place. That`s a little more important, don`t you think?" <<<

    If you ask me to go steal candy from a stranger and I do it. Who is the thief? Me or you?

    Yes the "fat cats" asked for a bailout. But it was the folks in charge that gave it to them. I know who I blame more.
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    Listen to the first question the interviewer/reporter asks... I don`t think he knows how to ask a question.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    >> I wonder what that guy does for a living? I`ll bet he`s successful...<<

    Civil war reenactor? Just guessing because of the cool cap he has on.
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    Smart guy. Lots of frustration. Don`t blame him.
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    Burton_Ian Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:08 pm
    Wow... Very impressive!!

    and Batmanners, it isn`t that the interviewer doesn`t know how to ask a question, it`s that he framed it in a way to try and illicit a pre-decided response, but Gettysburg over there wasn`t having any of that and kicked the Gretta-goons ass.
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    cyborg Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    ...kill the 1%...*zombie noises*
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    Authentic187 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    @Oldfrt: I think someone else is propaganda filled....not the interviewee.

    and man, every time there`s post about this type things I always read the comments and it makes me sick to my stomach when I read the counter arguments they have for this, I mean i thought this whole thing was pretty obvious but it`s not. Just think back to all the people that had spoken against the system and tried to change it but died, one way or the other, including PRESIDENTS.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    This guy is not a complete idiot. He is right that the government should not have acted on the banks in the way they did. The rest of what he says is completely incoherent garbage.

    He claims support of 99% of Americans, while in a protest a tiny fraction the size of a small Tea Party. He makes bizarre, tinfoil-hat claims about a "far-right fringe" that show he has no idea what the term right-wing means. He repeats a lie (the shouting at the gay soldiers - that was another Obama lie). He demands something for nothing, stupid claims that a for-profit health system doesn`t work (the US has far better outcomes than we do here in the UK, one of the few non-profit healthcare systems in a large country).

    So this guy is not a complete idiot, just about 90%.

    So who thought he was an "effective communicator"? Effective at communicating his own ignorance, yes.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:20 pm
    Billy Yank cut through the Bulls#it like Sherman going through Atlanta. I salute you dude!!
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    Lazyme

    With your handle I can see why you agree. His is a lazy man`s manifesto. He thinks people should be given something for nothing. He thinks people should be allowed to sit on their arses and rely on other people to look after them.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:24 pm
    Random, I could correct you point by point, but I think I`ll let this suffice.

    You`re not American, so stay out of it.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    598 posts
    October 3, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    Lazyme

    With your handle I can see why you agree. His is a lazy man`s manifesto. He thinks people should be given something for nothing. He thinks people should be allowed to sit on their arses and rely on other people to look after them.


    And I am in America
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm
    I don`t care about your geographical placement. It`s your geopolitical placement.

    And you need to stop repeating yourself.
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    Amurika Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:38 pm
    Check out the video Outfoxed

    for an idea on how the fascist owned media really works. This will also give you some insight into why Ron Paul is all but wiped away from the public.
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    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:49 pm
    Huzzah!
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    bigfatdynamo Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    See what I did there? Civil War style "Hooray."
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    October 3, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    I think that guy rocked.
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    ShamaziaV2 Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2011 at 2:15 pm
    While he certainly made a case against fox news and pretty well blasted them, he DID have the chance to say something about their cause and from how he was talking he probably could`ve helped gain alot of support for the protests.
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    bentley22 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    This guy appears articulate, but he is nothing but talk. Just like all the other protesters. Sure, the economy is in the crapper, but get out there and actually do something to change it... don`t protest the people who are actually going to work each day - most of whom are just trying to make a living. He`s a loser and a whiner and I would never hire him.
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    asurazero Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 2:26 pm
    i take it this definitely wont be aired on fox news...
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    jteachey1 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    Wow.. Fox news really does have you old dudes brainwashed.. Whenever something happens that you don`t agree with its SOCIALISM!!! Taxes=SOCIALISM!!! We just want the rich to pay their fair share goddamnit. It worked in the Clinton days. Wake the drat up.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    "It worked in the Clinton days." What worked in the Clinton days?

    Oh. Reaganomics worked in the Clinton days. Gotcha.
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    button_guy Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    They`re protesting in the wrong place. Should be in front of the Federal Reserve.
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    SuperN00B Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:23 pm
    "It worked in the Clinton days." How about instead of makeing the rich pay more, we make the 41% who are not paying ANY federal taxes pay there fair share and get rid of most of the regulations that are coking businesses?
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    Auburnjunky: "Yes. I agree. Here`s the thing though. Some (read: most) of the occupiers are calling for an end to Capitalism."

    Um...what? Oh...and is that what we call people who gather to make a statement...."occupiers"?. Fine. Then the people who show up in tri-corner hats and weapons drooling over Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, and Glenn Beck are no longer "Tea-partiers". They`re "occupiers".
    Look AJ,..don`t try to claim that Liberals are trying to end capitalism. We`re trying to end the parts of it that don`t work that you agreed with. There might still be a few hyper-leftists radicals out there, but there`s also the right-wing fascist equilvelants out there too. Do you want to be grouped and identified by their radical views?
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    AWESOMEBOT Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    @Bentley22, He is actually out there doing something to change it. He is starting the conversation that leads to change. And furthermore, I don`t see you in any interviews, talking about or standing up for the things you believe in. It`s frightening that you call yourself an American.
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    button_guy Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    Yes, everyone should have to pay taxes, or no one should. As far as socialism/capitalism goes? Capitalism is the uneven distribution of wealth, but socialism is the even distribution of poverty. Take your pick.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    @madest: Yeah, but if you ask Fox "News" watchers, you`re not really poor until you`re "India poor". God forbid we have minimum wages, foodstamps, etc. etc..
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    cleanergirl Female 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    *fist pump*
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    MrTwidget Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:42 pm
    Who is the guy being interviewed? He has the swag of a radio talk show host.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    How about instead of makeing the rich pay more, we make the 41% who are not paying ANY federal taxes pay there fair share
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    I am determined to correct this clap-trap every time it`s repeated. The actual number of Americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers is composed of the elderly and disabled. Of these "non"-taxpayers some paid property taxes and all of them pay sales taxes. To say 50% pay no taxes is a flat out lie.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    Rich people are not "job creators". They are savvy businessmen who got rich by taking advantage of globalization, the information revolution, easy access to cheap labor overseas, and bailouts you generously provided to them which they immediately paid out to themselves. Simultaneously they closed inefficient factories at home and fired all their workers to streamline their business and maximize their profits. These actions create wealth not jobs. Creating jobs for the sake of jobs in the U.S. is an uncompetitive business model in the global context because U.S. workers cost more. So every time you hear someone say that the rich are "job creators" just remember that the beneficiary of said job lives in Shenzen. The rich should not be demonized for being "too rich" but by the same token the poor should not be demonized for not being "poor enough". If the cost of living in the environment around you is outstripping your ability to pay without rackin
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Racking up massive debt you qualify.
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    ultimakewl Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:31 pm
    @madest
    lets not forget, that even if 41% was accurate, even if they paid half their income to the government as taxes it would still only equal the amount that the top 5% would pay if we just increased the amount they pay about 5% and/or closed corporate loopholes
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:48 pm
    No it`s not about the amount that people pay it`s about fairness. Ask any IRS agent about what can be done they`ll tell you nothing because the rich will hire lawyers, accountants and lobbyists to pay less a luxury the middle class and poor can`t afford. The amount the treasury collects from them is indeed determined by them. It`s not fair. Listen to what Elizabeth Warren said, she nailed it much more eloquently than I could.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:57 pm
    @madest: Elizabeth Warren doesn`t look like an ex-beauty pageant contestent, so she can`t be taken seriously by the right wing.
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 6:00 pm
    The federal reserve is owned by the rich people xquiripat. The federal reserve which prints our money. The creation of our money is privatized, thats what this protest is about dickweed.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 6:42 pm
    @Subushie: Before you start throwing out insults, make sure what you say is accurate. The Federal Reserve is not a private instituation, it`s actually "independent within the government" with Congress having full override authority. The 12 regional banks are organized like a private corporation but are not really one. Inorder for a US bank to become a member they must buy "shares", however these shares cannot be sold, transferred or even pledged as security for a loan - it`s basically a not-for-profit coop.
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    jonnycake63 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 7:16 pm
    @[email protected] that think they can change things. Protip: you cant and you wont.

    Right. Cuz those civil rights protests were really unproductive. Good thing they stopped when they did. Could you imagine if they would have kept protesting when the police turned attack dogs and fire hoses on them....stupid pansy european.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 8:24 pm
    Madest, where did you come up with that 14% bullcrap?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 8:25 pm
    Oh JT! Madest called them Occupiers. I was just staying on topic. Look at the description again.
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    JRS34 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 8:39 pm
    Wow, what an non-nice individual. He didn`t even talk about the protest. I love how open minded non-nice individuals like this pretend to be but as soon as anyone mentions fox news, they spew their hatred instead of answering questions.
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    October 3, 2011 at 8:56 pm
    @jteachey1: Wow.. Fox news really does have you old dudes brainwashed.. Whenever something happens that you don`t agree with its SOCIALISM!!! Taxes=SOCIALISM!!! We just want the rich to pay their fair share goddamnit. It worked in the Clinton days. Wake the drat up.

    Whine about fairness all you want, but you can`t tax the rich enough to get us out of this mess. So basically you seem to be saying, "We`re all going to hell, but that`s OK as long as it`s FAIR for everybody." or "The boat is going over the waterfall and it`s not fair that the rich people in the back will die a split second later than the poor people in front"
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    Simbosan Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:06 pm
    @[email protected] that think they can change things. Protip: you cant and you wont.

    You remember that `American Revolution` thing?
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    earthshone Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:36 pm
    well said.
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:45 pm
    I absolutely support what the protesters stand for. But I just can`t see what this could accomplish. They could make all the noise they want, and all corporate America would do is momentarily look out their ivory towers down on the crowd of protesters for a moment and laugh, before going back to counting their dollar bills.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:18 pm
    "but you can`t tax the rich enough to get us out of this mess."

    So, ignore everything under $480 billion then because "that`s not enough"?

    Anything *under* that figure you think we should be concentrating on? Anything you`ve complained about? Because you see, if there is, that makes you a tiny bit of a hypocrite.

    Small amount "Rawr", big amount "Meh ignore it".

    Like say, the cost of the Libyan war? (0.4B, not 400B), Obamacare ($-200B to $200B even taking Fox figures), Social Security Reform (would only save $290b, mainly on the backs of the poor), etc.

    So, those things all off the table according to you as they`re "not enough" so why bother?
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:58 pm
    "How about instead of makeing the rich pay more, we make the 41% who are not paying ANY federal taxes pay there fair share"

    Sure, make the bottom 40% pay the same %. That raises $120B. Cripples your main consumers.

    Getting rid of tax breaks for the top 2% raises triple that.

    Your opinion has no place in a discussion on math any more than math has a place in your opinion.

    41% don`t pay FED.INCOME tax. Taxes are not solely made up of income tax.

    1) Other taxes apart from income reduce that figure.
    2) Only half the people in that 40% stat don`t pay due to low income.
    3) Half use tax loopholes, and are spread throughout the income brackets. It benefits the rich more than the poor.
    4) Tax breaks are part of the cause of the high figure.
    5) The final figure for "Who escapes all fed tax" is under 10%.
  76. Profile photo of Oldfrt
    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:15 am
    @Baalthazaq: So, ignore everything under $480 billion then because "that`s not enough"? ...Like say, the cost of the Libyan war? (0.4B, not 400B), Obamacare ($-200B to $200B even taking Fox figures), Social Security Reform (would only save $290b, mainly on the backs of the poor), etc.

    You`re usually pretty good about sources for your numbers, I`d like to know where the $480B came from (I assume that`s what you`re expecting from tax increases, which I am doubtful about). Also, you seem to be assuming a specific Social Security reform to come up with $290B, and I suspect it is insufficient. My concern is the long term Trillions in unfunded liabilities for Social Security and Medicare. Your numbers seem to be looking at just 1 year.

    While I certainly do not want to have solutions that mainly fall on "the backs of the poor", we also can`t afford to fund every thing we currently want to.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:17 am
    I don`t know where Madest got his 14% figure from, but I`ve seen ranges from 10%(NYT) to 18%(Williams, CBO) but he`s far closer to right than the ridiculous post 40% numbers claiming they pay "no taxes".

    There`s a reason the news has to say "Federal" and "Income" before they announce the figure. You should be paying attention.

    It`s what makes you go on forums and lie about how "40% pay no taxes". It`s that you don`t understand the full story. That becomes painfully obvious when you disregard things in the title like that.
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
    750 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 12:22 am
    @Baalthazaq, to continue, I think we need to fix the long term entitlements mess first, including but not limited to, means testing, promotion of private retirement funds for younger citizens,and if necessary, increasing the retirement age. Short term fixes, like tax increases, will make more sense when we have a better idea of the long term outlook.

    BTW, I`m not necessarily against tax increases. My complaint earlier was against people thinking that taxing "the rich" will solve all our problems. Their quest for fairness seems to me to be rooted in jealousy rather than an sincere attempt to address the problems.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 12:31 am
    Specific Social Security reform is gotten by adding together both major proposed reforms of social security. (Raising the age and the concept of slow raises on social security benefits over time. Together they are around 290B according to the CBO).

    All the Bush tax cuts add in total over a ten year period $2.64T. Keeping them in place for all but the wealthiest loses $2.08T by comparison.

    CBO estimates therefore on a 10 year projection is actually $560B. Smaller figure I used was outdated apparently (Pre-extension figures lower due to lower overall income of the wealthy, who have since rebounded).
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
    4903 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 12:47 am
    Why the hell is he wearing that hat?
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 12:50 am
    Maybe there`s a specific problem with understanding why a bracketed system exists...

    To have a sustainable economy, you need patterns that are sustainable.

    Currently, under the current tax system, wealth is being redistributed northwards, at a far higher rate than inflation.

    Hell... the poorest 80% have lost a share of their income since 1967 to the top 20%. The bottom 50% have lost income in relation to inflation.

    7% of all income has gone from the lower class, working class, middle class, and upper middle, to the top.

    Don`t get me wrong.
    It is fine for the Top 20% to get 50% of American income. That is actually an irrelevant figure.

    When that share is growing or shrinking, it suggests financial burdens that do not sync with a sustainable economic model.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 12:59 am
    Baalthazag. You are doing zero-sum economics. That is errant nonsense, complete and utter garbage. You have no idea what you are talking about.

    The comment on the Bush/Obama tax cuts, which (as most tax cuts) increased revenue, are particularly ignorant.
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    CadillacJack Male 18-29
    105 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 3:56 am
    He wears the hat because he is Comrade!
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    CadillacJack Male 18-29
    105 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 4:17 am
    I thoroughly enjoyed this video.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    598 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 7:57 am
    >>7% of all income has gone from the lower class, working class, middle class, and upper middle, to the top. <<<

    Baalthazaq:

    Please check this. You have equated a shift in "distribution" of total income to a shift in absolute income. They are not the same.

    Say there a two foxes in an area. In the first year fox A kills 65 rabbits and fox B kills 35 rabbits. The next year fox A kills 108 rabbits and fox B kills 42, Change in rabbit kill distribution was 7% more for Fox A and 7% less for Fox B. But even then fox B came out ahead. If you look critically at the change in income vs. time for the income brackets in the US you will see a similar trend. Add to that that many of the lower income earners do not STAY lower income earners, at least not when we have an economy that is working, and statements like the one above are at the least misleading. In much the same way as the 41% pay no taxes is misleading.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 8:53 am
    Totally, completely, agree with this guy all the way.
    People who voted for Obama have to recognize that the guy has to wade through quagmire of poo every minute to get any little stuff done. He needs a show of support - it`s not Obama care - it`s what majority of Americans want in the health care. It`s not Obama bailout it`s what the best economist in his administration figured is needed to save everybody`s ass. It`s not Obama spending it`s what govtments do to creat jobs & infrastructure in dire straights. It is absolutely necessary to invest in future solutions - businesses and like all investments there is a risk of it going belly up. If you support him get out there and let the other side know that he is speaking for & on behalf of YOU.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    598 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 10:33 am
    >>> it`s what majority of Americans want<<

    If this is true then the majority of Americans want the country to fail...If true might as well get while the getting is good. Where do I line up for my handout?
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3917 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 10:58 am
    "it`s what majority of Americans want in the health care"

    Almost. A majority of Americans wanted the Public Option for low income individuals and to drive down insurance costs. The reason we didn`t get it is because Democrats are pussies. A few people cried, screamed and acted like crazies at their rallies and the Democrats folded.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4348 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 11:27 am
    it`s like they are not even speaking the same language. how frustrating for the protester talking to this idiot.
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    angelo0317 Male 18-29
    331 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    LMAO @ 2:52, i find the look on his face kinda funny.
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 8:32 pm
    This man: I love him.

    No homo.



    Ok, a little homo... that hat: yum.
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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
    582 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 11:11 pm
    "Capitalism is the best way to distribute wealth and goods to a group of people."

    Totally agree -- when proper regulations are in place. Business`s bottom line is not health, safety, or environmentalism. It`s money. Government needs to put business regulation in place the same way people need laws. Without them, it`s anarchy.

    What needs to be reduced is corporate socialism. The government now the consumers` money and gives tax brakes to major corporations. This undermines the very foundation of capitalism -- consumers need to make the best choice for themselves. Instead, of the trickle down effect, why not try trickle up? Give money to the consumers who don`t have a bottom line. Give money to the entrepreneurs, small business owners, and new technology developers so they can penetrate and develop new markets. As the money moves upwards, the best businesses will then have the most to invest.

    Then, having earned all their money, maybe corporations wo
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    SumRandom1 Male 18-29
    794 posts
    October 5, 2011 at 10:13 am
    reporter: lets talk to the guy who is dressed as if this is civil war, he must be a nut and will say some crazy $hit on camera that will make democratic liberals look like fools
    Guy in hat: I went to college and am fully prepared to eloquently make fox news feel like idiots
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    Mirage6 Male 18-29
    25 posts
    October 5, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    This guy is well spoken, but that doesn`t mean he is correct. I don`t think there are a lot of statistics to back up his claims.
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    bongsmoka420 Male 18-29
    290 posts
    October 6, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    @Mirage6: NO SHYT there`s not a lot of statistics to back up his claim. Th real stats are destroyed so that idiots like you don`t take this guy seriously and other who can see through and past the propoganda distributed by the media.

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