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College Conspiracy: Is College A Big Fat Scam?

Is college the largest scam in U.S. history? What do you think I-A-B? Lenghty, but worth a look if you”re a student.

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Date: 10/07/11 01:53 PM

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  1. Profile photo of Aints
    Aints Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 1:56 pm
    Link: College Conspiracy: Is College A Big Fat Scam? - Is college the largest scam in U.S. history? What do you think I-A-B? Lenghty, but worth a look if you`re a student.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:02 pm
    Yay... college conspiracy. Anything else we think is a conspiracy?
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    Trizz Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:10 pm
    LENGTHY?! Omg can someone just summarise this for me? :P
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:12 pm
    PREACH, BROTHER. Same poo I`ve been saying for the past 3 years. Of course, I`m so deep in debt now I might as well get something to show for it.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:12 pm
    is it a scam? maybe, but it sure was a blast. i`d do it again
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    I saw this like a month or so ago. Got to 5 minutes and realized it was an hour long, and closed it.
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    Ruffiana Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:15 pm
    The Khan Academy
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    DiePSPolice Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    No, it`s not a scam. Enjoy your mediocrity and lack of education, Americans. Sure you can make a decent wage doing less-skilled work. Just don`t be mad at somebody else when all the high-tech, first-world jobs move to Asia like they`re already doing.

    This video is the scam. Buy gold and silver? Right.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:32 pm
    Wait what ?.. The solution to the free market creating a student loan-college tuition bubble is more free market?.. Totally makes sense..
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    I think Americans should make a big pile of books, and burn them.

    Seriously. It seems like the next natural step in this well known "progress" anyway.
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    slimjim81 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:37 pm
    Stopped watching at 42 seconds when I noticed they misspelt `economic`.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    It`s just a very big ad for buying gold and silver and for online schooling. Waste of time.
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    College isn`t a scam--there are a lot of careers where a higher amount of education than high school is necessary. For example, you can`t be a doctor fresh out of high school.

    Now, colleges are fully aware of how necessary their service is. They can get away with squeezing out as much money as possible from the students. Textbooks are necessary too, but there`s absolutely no way in hell it costs $250 to make a stack of paper bound together inside of cardboard. They can get away with it, though.

    tl;dr--college is necessary, and they can charge whatever they want for it without losing a significant amount of business. It doesn`t seem fair but it`s not technically a scam.
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    Sathon Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 2:56 pm
    I stopped watching when the first "fact" they presented was wrong and grossly exaggerated.

    From personal experience (I currently attend university), textbooks are in the range of $50 to $150 and are quite easy to sell used to other students once you`re done with them.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:01 pm
    well that`s 40 minutes of my life wasted..
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    Aints Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:05 pm
    No one is telling you to do anything or think anything. Learn how to watch something and learn what you can from it and throw the rest out. Sounds like some of you need hugs.
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    grindinblade Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:07 pm
    Thanks for the Ruffiana, I`ll have too watch some videos in my free time.

    But there is no way college is a `scam`. Price continues to climb for tuition because demand will always be there, regardless of the financial systems health. College degree = more stable career and higher wages. US census shows that higher degrees have lower unemployment. Also I disagree with the bubble statement, as a college degree provides higher wages to pay the debt, not property to pay off. Didn`t watch anything after 10 min, cause it`s bs. Yea education is expensive, I`ll finish medical school in 2 more years with 300k debt. But they greater earnings make up for it.
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    razlem Male 13-17
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:33 pm
    This video is garbage. Places of higher education have existed for hundreds of years. Public high schools DO teach you how to start your own business (it`s a required class here), use internet resources, and prepare for life without college.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:36 pm
    @1:09...University of Oregon is not a "top tier" school. And I don`t even know what the "L" stands for.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    razlem, that`s good that your high school did that. Of the three things you listed, mine only taught us the 2nd :P
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:46 pm
    God is the biggest scam of all time. You lose college.
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:54 pm
    I`ve run the figures on this. The value of the average undergraduate degree today *net of tuition* is $1 million (in today`s dollars). In the 1970s it was $500,000 (also in today`s dollars). Take-home: even after subtracting the cost of tuition, a college education is worth more today than a generation ago.
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    wiscesq Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    Garbage. A group with an agenda, presenting distorted information, selectively ingoring facts that might be inconsistent with their pre-determined conclusion. They should have gone to college. They might have learned some critical thinking skills.
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    Wowummwow Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    Randomly skipped through the video and here are some of the points that I caught.

    1) Using college fund money and investing in silver before the collapse would have yielded a large profit.
    2) If everyone has a college degree then it doesn`t give you an advantage.
    3) Having a college degree might not have anything to do with the job someone gets in the future.
    4) Private colleges lie about their `employment after graduation` rates.
    5) Advocating that college graduates don`t make one million more in a lifetime that non-college graduates.
    6) Congress is there to make laws so their lawyer friends have jobs.
    7) The government is bad m`kay.

    Issues on next post...
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    mocrules Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    You have to consider the source (my education taught me that)! Ultra conservative, right-wing propaganda. Fear mongering at its finest. I graduated with a MS and $0 in student debt. It`s competitively placed me above other applicants and I landed my first job during one of the worst job markets of my generation. Having a graduate degree and a high GPA got my foot in the door where, without those, I`m confident my job search would have been much more difficult.

    This video is nothing more than selective facts (if accurate) with opinionated narrative aimed at generating fear with a motive. Google "National Inflation Association reviews" and get both sides of the story. Somewhere in the middle you`ll find the truth.
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 4:15 pm
    well there goes an hour of my life i can never get back :(
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    Wowummwow Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    1) The statement of silver is fine, except if a person has such insight into future events they should buy a lotto ticket instead.
    2) Most jobs require a degree to even be considered for an interview. You don`t have to be "special" to be hired, you just have to keep your application from the trash bin.
    3) A person will rarely ever use the specific facts they learned as part of their occupation. Instead occupational skill college instills is the language and thinking style of that field and how to communicate with colleagues.
    4) Probably happens... private schools have to advertise something.
    5) Personally I don`t care if I make more, I just want the option to have a career I enjoy.
    6) Meh.
    7) "They took yer jerbs!!!" rabble rabble rabble.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm
    The value of the average undergraduate degree today *net of tuition* is $1 million
    NOPE! I was fed that crap too, it`s not worth 1 million. It`s worth the knowledge you gain and the credential you get. That`s all. You still have to go out there and work to make that extra $1M over the course of your life.

    And as for the question in general: Is college the largest scam in U.S. history?
    To that I say, there is an obvious difference between a scam and a bad deal.
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    whyme73 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    This is all a plot to get no one to go to college then the people who made the video will go to college and get all the good jobs.
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    chrn368 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 4:46 pm
    It is a scam and anyone defending is generally too afraid to admit they`ve gotten scamed. Colleges are just another corporation. They`re there tomake money first and formost, and frankly it`s BS (with the exception of very few fields like medicine or law) that companies require some form of degree, because most jobs can be learned through experience. Take for example the fact that even if you graduate, most fo the time you still have to intern in your field for a year or more before you`re "qualified" that right there proves it`s BS because if you were qualified straight out of college you wouldn`t have to do that. It shows college graduates don`t really know poo about what they`re doing. You have to do the job to get good at it. Lincoln had 18 months of formal education and no college. He became a lawyer and the president, he did that by reading and taking action. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs never graduated college. There you go. You just need common since anda will.
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    chadders42 Male 13-17
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    October 7, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    Wow.. and I thought paying £9,000 for 4 years and then nothing for my 5th year (NHS pays fees) to become a doctor was expensive....
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    October 7, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    You are being played.

    This video was created by the National Inflation Association. Don`t take my word for it, Google them. Notice Google`s first suggestion for that name is "scam". If you see something on the interwebs or ratings driven media "news", then you need to take it with a grain of salt and do your own research. Don`t let people think for you. Unless, of course, you are into destroying people`s lives for the financial benefit of sheeple hearders.
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    Don`t believe it. The US has no manufacturing, no farming, no middle class. Higher education is the only hope we have left.
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    College is way to expensive. The textbooks are rigged. This documentary is mostly a bunch of bullpoo though.
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    grindinblade Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm
    Wow chrn way to reference Jobs and Gates (don`t forget Zuckerberg). Those guys are generally exceptions to the rule, if you can come up with an idea like apple, microsoft, or facebook by all means don`t go to college.
    If you want to be a lawyer, engineer, doctor, or other professional than you need at least a BS, preferable MS. Lincoln may have become a lawyer and president with little education but that is impossible now, you need to go to law school to be allowed to be a lawyer.
    By all means if you can run a business right of high school and make money don`t go to college. But if you want better opportunities than what a diploma offers (avg. salary 31k, vs engineer ~80-100k, doctor 200-500k) then go to college. Don`t call college a scam because you couldn`t get in.
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    RainboWarrio Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 5:43 pm
    University (College) is what you make it. While I do believe that the cost of a degree is vastly inflated and that you do need experience to get anywhere I don`t think that its a scam. I also don`t agree that government sponsored education is the worlds worst thing. Its all in the way in which its implemented. We`ve had government loans and bursaries (free money that we don`t have to pay back) in Canada for years. In many European nations university is totally free, however not everyone wants to go to university, or is the university type. And that`s not a crime either. In Canada there actually has been a big push for people to get "blue collar" or trade/apprenticeship jobs, as the qualified people are retiring so there is a huge labor gap.

    So in other words, figure out what you want to do first, take a year. And if you need a degree to do that, get one. If not, get an apprenticeship and get the experience that you need to do it.
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    scuzzy Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 6:12 pm
    That dentist should never have had to default on her loans, plenty of dentists and physicians graduate with more debt than her and have no problem paying them off.

    Also, college is awesome and totally worth the $$ anyway!
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    PringleMan Female 13-17
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    October 7, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    I guess I`m pretty lucky to have had such amazing teachers.... but perhaps I`ve already bought into the `system`.
    P.S. Why was justin bieber used as the figure in the beginning.
    P.P.S. One hour! Like hell I`m watching this!
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    Sonsglow Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    Except for that whole thing where EVERY PUBLIC UNIVERSITY IS NONPROFIT. "The system," "the man," yeah, yeah - we`ve heard this bullpoo before. And as I`m typing this - why the drat would the price of education be correlated with the real estate market?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 7, 2011 at 7:03 pm
    College/University is not so much as a scam as it is way more expensive than it is worth.

    Now the textbook shuffle, that is a hell of a scam. Except for a my technical books, the books I bought for most of my classes were nearly worthless, professors would print their own handouts and test you on what they lectured on in class, the rest of the information could`ve been found on the internet or in the library.

    The tenured professors and administrators are the only people in this country that haven`t had to take a pay cut, and they don`t give a crap if you flunk out they get paid no matter what. It`s one of the few jobs in the world where compensation is not tied to job performance.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 7:14 pm
    27 thousand? Man, that`s a bargain.
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    Thetas Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 7:25 pm
    I`m not going to watch the whole thing but here`s my two cents after watching five minutes:
    College isn`t really a huge scam, per-say. The system is a bit screwed up right now, but you learn more important information getting your associates in general ed. in a cheap jr. college than you do in all the rest of high school. I can`t speak for all degrees, but for the one I`m getting, all of the classes I`ve taken thus far have been essential for my career.

    Also, "no high schools in America teach essential skills that will help kids like using the internet ." Actually, my high school had a class that taught all that stuff. I`m sure there are a lot of other high schools in the U.S. like mine.
    That seems a bit opinionated, too. Math is pretty important in the real world and English is VERY important. World geography is also extremely important.
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    Yap71 Male 30-39
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    October 7, 2011 at 7:41 pm
    Wow, $27,000, in my (Canadian) hometowns University, the most expensive field is Dentistry at about $10,000 a year, not including textbooks.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 7, 2011 at 8:00 pm
    Anyone who is stupid enough to go $200,000 in debt to get a f***ing sociology degree (or something similarly worthless) is too stupid to be let loose unattended in Wal-mart let alone be allowed to vote. You might as well go down to Occupy Wall Street and let George Soros feed you till the weather turns cold.
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    antagonizer Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm
    Education should be free. When you advance learning, you advance society. End of story.
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    October 7, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    Education should be free. When you advance learning, you advance society. End of story.

    That is too funny! Your joke reads as if you have been college educated and believe the dreck they teach there. Keep on trollin`!
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    max5121 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 9:28 pm
    it all depends on how you use your education. A degree does not guarantee a job. Networking, persistence, dedication, and knowledge do.(ok maybe not guarantee, but you know what i mean.) NO you dont have to go to college to be a valued member of the society, and college is not for everyone, but there is no denying that it is a great opportunity (if used correctly) to drastically change someones life for the better. Also i did not watch the video. A whole hour? What am I some lazy college student that is putting off studying for his Calc 3 test? oh wait... :/
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    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    October 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm
    I did watch the whole video. In general, I agree with their premise, but the whiny activist guy was annoying, and in the end, it looked like it was all a commercial for selling silver bullion.

    Until people start demanding real competition among colleges and gubbermint gets out of it, I don`t think it`ll change.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 9:37 pm
    Lots of things SHOULD be free.
    Education, food and shelter. Basic human needs.
    Basically the world would be a better place if there were alternatives. Let people who like money continue playing their money game, but having an alternative where you are "payed" in resources or get access to workshops and materials. Separate the two systems and see what system thrives more than the other. You should never be forced into living in one kind of system, choice breeds creativity. Other ways of life would flourish if this was implemented. One size does not fit all.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 9:37 pm
    Absolutely true. I`m in this very same situation. Education. In debt up to my ears. No job (read: "real" job). No house because my credit is in the pooter from having so much out from loans for school (and the lack of a "real" job)
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 9:46 pm
    On a side note... I am one of the many who have used and abused my "refund check" each month. Food, car, gas. I thought it was such perfect plan.

    If I could talk to my 18 year old self.......
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    Solarmew Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 10:22 pm
    serve in the military and get education for free, like me, bitchez! :D
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 7, 2011 at 10:39 pm
    Plan A: How about get a degree in something very under supplied like nursing, immediately declare bankruptcy, get a job somewhere else. OK, so congress closed that loophole...

    Plan B: Get a job with a top investment bank, destroy the economy, watch inflation erase your debt.

    Plan C: Get a fake degree, get a job, have no debt.

    This whole video is very biased, probably sponsored by disgruntled banks. They make some correct points though. I would rather hire someone with experience and references than a degree.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 7, 2011 at 10:41 pm
    "serve in the military and get education for free, like me, bitchez! :D"

    Enjoy the amputation, bitchez
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    That is too funny! Your joke reads as if you have been college educated and believe the dreck they teach there. Keep on trollin`!
    That`s too funny! Your comment reads as if you were some kind of crazy ass-backward oompa-loompa.
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    gothmo Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 11:04 pm
    I can`t get a credit card made for students to build credit because my credit score is damaged from a loan I took to pay for school, and my loan to pay check ratio is too close because I can`t get a decent job while I`m going to school. Fun times!!
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    Solarmew Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 11:37 pm
    Draculya, awww, dun be jealous XD
    I`m out and back in school, baby! Just after three years... Now i`m rockin` free education (classes two days a week) + $2100 tax free + VA tax free + unemployment ;P
    do the math and tell me how much that is for 16 hours a week for the next 4 years ;]
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    Solarmew Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    seriously tho ... Join the military ... and no, you don`t have to be patriotic, you don`t have to love your (or not your) country, you don`t have to give two poos about anything, except what this video is pointing out.
    In the military you`re guaranteed a steady job and after you get out, not only do you have experience, you also get bumped to the top of the employment lists.
    Don`t work to work? GO TO SCHOOL!
    It`s free, and you get paid to go to school, so you don`t have to work! Plus you`ll be eligible for unemployment...
    Plus, if you want to screw the system even more, apply for disability compensation. You don`t have to be missing a limb or two, you can pretty much sneeze and they`ll give you money ... for the rest of your life...
    So there we have it:
    - no money lost
    - experience
    - no college debt
    - enough GI Bill to get your masters degree if you try

    you know what my job was during my deployment to Ir
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    Solarmew Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 11:48 pm
    you know what my job was during my deployment to Iraq? Sit in the power plant and watch movies 12 a day for 6 months ...
    and now i`m out and working on my BAS in Applied Mathematics...

    so suck on that ...
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2011 at 11:57 pm
    being a college student, i struggle to pay my college loans and dont even have text books for some classes, cause im broke. it really is a scam
    if i stop going to college right now (after about a year and a half) i am still going to have to keep paying off my loans until I am 30 (give or take) and seeing that i have a minimum wage job and am going to get layed off soon i am kind of drated
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 8, 2011 at 1:59 am
    @Solarmew I guess I was too harsh, I retract my last statement. I hope the doctors are able to re-attach any parts blown off members of the military that have done done such a swell job of liberating other countries of their sovereignty.
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    razordragon Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2011 at 2:01 am
    Engineering. :D
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    Thehint Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2011 at 2:21 am
    DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME ON THIS! It brings all new levels to stupidity. This video is literally one of those gold scams and in addition to that, it is literally backed by a freaking hardcore republicans, who, as the video intimates, want us all to return to farming instead of a technological and education biased society we live in. I don’t care how bored you are, anything is better than this video.
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    McGrissom Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2011 at 2:53 am
    Facinating... I watched BECAUSE of the post below me warning "DONT WATCH"

    The video is TOTALLY TRUE, with exceptions.

    There are still very reputable universities that never forgot what education was meant for, and still teach professional trades (i.e. Law, Medicine).

    WATCH IT. It sucks but the truth is the truth. Its our reluctance to accept it that makes it painful. And yes... I have a college degree too. Yippee.... useless.
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    Thehint Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2011 at 4:06 am
    Saying a video is “totally true with exceptions” is like saying “people always tell the truth except when they lie.”. It doesn’t mean anything. You are a waste of words and I don’t think you would know how to spell “collage diploma” if you didn’t Google it first, McGrissom.

    If you want Fox news style propaganda, please watch this video and lose a whole hour of your life to the thought that you shouldn’t try and better yourself through any institutions of higher learning, that it is every Americans duty to work at an entry level position until youre employer decides to discard you, and that we all ought to spend our lives completely ignorant of anything outside of our own minim wage drudgery. Oh, and that gold is a really,really sound investment and the price will never ever drop because it’s made of magic unicorn tears.
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    morimacil123 Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2011 at 4:25 am
    The video does make some good points, so it was fun to watch.
    But you do have to keep in mind that this video is only propaganda too. for their inflation society, and their gold and silver buying.

    Gotta love the part at the end though.
    "Start thinking for yourself! Sign up and become a member of NIA!" Hehehehe :P
    Think for yourself, join our website where we will be feeding you our premade opinions and theories!
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    JJXanadu Male 30-39
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    October 8, 2011 at 5:21 am
    College is not a scam, but the idea that every student should aspire to go to college is a farce. Unfortunately, too many children are pushed into higher education when they should be looking at vocational schools or entering the work force. Many of those children waste their time and end up in a great amount of unnecessary debt.
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    October 8, 2011 at 6:12 am
    thank god my country have system that removes the student debt after you`ve finished your college education
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    bdowner60 Male 40-49
    593 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 6:14 am
    Simple , NO College - Degree = much extra work in life for the $ , with College + Degree = less stress + $$$$$$$ , it is that easy .
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    NILE12 Male 18-29
    157 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 8:48 am
    I just find it amusing that people would spend so much money to help them get a job if they couldn`t afford it.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
    1707 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 9:01 am
    Just tossing this out there,

    Is it still a conspiracy if every detail is available to the public? Don`t they try to hide those kind of things.

    Or is it a conspiracy of white rich parents in the P.T.A trying to keep the black man down? I`m confused.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
    612 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 9:21 am
    this has to be the stupidest conspiracy video iab has posted.
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    felixbuzz Male 60-69
    126 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 9:55 am
    200 EURO bought my course books for my three year course, and there are no college fees in ireland. I watched about 5 minutes of it and realized it didn`t apply to me, and that I should be typing up my notes right now. H82B American and BROKE lol
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    intrigid Male 18-29
    914 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 9:56 am
    "Education should be free. When you advance learning, you advance society. End of story."

    I don`t disagree with your sentiment that education is good for society. The problem is that you don`t understand the consequences of this type of cost structure:

    If colleges and universities are guaranteed funding and existence through this kind of subsidization, it removes the crucial motivator of "provide an excellent product/service or be crushed by the competition". Fear of bankruptcy / desire for profit is what prevents ordinary businesses from letting the quality of their offerings go to hell.

    We`re already seeing the negative results of subsidization through useless liberal arts degrees, professors who can`t speak English, and 300 students packed in a lecture hall. Sometimes they don`t even teach, they just tell you what books to read. It`s sad.
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    Aedran Female 18-29
    295 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    If everyone was educated, who`d be our garbage men, postal workers, and fry cooks?
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    Robert_D Male 18-29
    589 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 7:20 pm
    Alright, so, I watched this whole thing.

    While there are a number of valid points in this video, I also recognize some hyperbole and "spin" in the video, and lots of references to anecdotal stories of "a friend of a friend" (normally friend or relative from someone at the NIA).

    It seems to go completely off the rails about 40 mintues in, in my humble opinion, and makes a number of inflammatory and outright false statements.

    These people have an agenda, just like everyone else.

    It`s unfortunate.
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    thehitcher Male 18-29
    237 posts
    October 8, 2011 at 8:17 pm
    never trust a website that ends with ".us" we need a set of real people doing real research before i ever believe any of this. there are valid points dont get me wrong. but if there were a real organization that was actually transparent in all of their actions i would be more willing to believe this. we need people. 100% human everyday people with a chip on their shoulder and balls made of steel to get the real facts.
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    isthiswherei Male 18-29
    16 posts
    October 9, 2011 at 3:46 pm
    College is a pyramid scheme. One generation buys in, then tells the next that they too have to buy in. And I have actually learned more actually working internships than I have in 4 years of schooling. To me, it seems like a degree is basically a permit to work, that cost more than a car. I`m in college right now, finishing up my degree, and it is going to cost me about $50,000. It will be atleast $100,000 when I die. For a journalism degree. sounds like a lot but a friend of mine that graduated a year ago with an elementary education degree and teaching certificate spent $80,000. Maybe there is an agenda here, but the reality is that eventually this bubble is going to burst, and if you thought the housing crisis was bad, you ain`t seen nothing yet. Unless everybody calls a mulligan. Which will not happen.
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    Veneni Male 13-17
    31 posts
    October 10, 2011 at 10:59 am
    Eh, I saw till minute 8 but turned it off because it doesn`t apply to me. Here in Belgium, college is 500 euros per year + about 300 euros if you`re unlucky for books. Most professors write their won course which can be bought for very cheap in special student bookstores. Education is VERY cheap here.

    I don`t like how they say education is a scam because it isn`t in it`s core. Educating yourself is a means to grow, and your education is a very big part of who you are.
    Also it is vital in most jobs. Wouldn`t you want your architect, doctor, ... to have done the right studies before starting a practice?
    I do agree in America, education is WAY too overprised. Most european countries proove it can be made very cheap, so why can`t america?

    I also agree there is way too little education in organisation, management and undertaking (is that the word?). Though that is changing. I`m currently an engineer student but we have the choise to have about 10% of our courses ab
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    MCMXCIII Male 18-29
    356 posts
    October 10, 2011 at 11:11 am
    I watched the whole thing.
    Too little information, too much agenda. The information is useful, but instead of constructing a feasible solution to the problem, they just randomly inject their slanted opinions in. Not a good video overall.
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    ZsaZsaGoar Female 18-29
    144 posts
    October 11, 2011 at 12:59 am
    what a long ad for NIA
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    kittilia Female 18-29
    500 posts
    October 11, 2011 at 3:51 am
    This really gets people to think. I`m going to college next year and this makes me think twice about my college decision. However, the people in charge of this whole campaign are idiots. Well, not really idiots, but manipulative bastards. They don`t truly help anyone. They just point out flaws of other people. I can`t do what I want without a degree. One cannot perform surgeries or argue cases without a degree. One cannot catch bad guys or treat mental patients without having learned the information necessary to do so, and no matter how lovely and interactive and beautiful your online class is, it is impossible to get the same dynamic and the same organic building of ideas that happens when one gathers people in a physical room. We cannot all work at McDonalds. That being said, the United States government should get its paws off the College system.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    October 12, 2011 at 1:37 am
    Nailed it:

    Inflation is the Invisible Tax

    Unintended consequences which result from tampering with market forces contribute to this inflation

    Exporting that inflation overseas (world`s reserve currency) has been what`s responsible for artificially sustaining our economy

    This, in addition to Social Security = The ultimate Ponzie Scheme

    Starve the Legal Industry!
    Deprive gov`t of opportunities to effect indentured servitude!
    Buy Gold and Silver!

    (non-college graduate)
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    grantagency Male 30-39
    5 posts
    September 15, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    You know what`s funny, is that nowadays, going to college might provide you some knowledge, but not necessarily the means to survive or make a lot of money in today`s world...i see kids who are 16-20 years old making more money on the internet than those that get MBA`s and PHD`S..crazy, right?

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