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111 Responses to Bill Clinton: Was He Really That Bad? [Pic]

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    hole_rocks89 Female 13-17
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    October 3, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    Link: Bill Clinton: Was He Really That Bad? - History says, maybe not so much. Let`s just let BJs be BJs.
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    lemmingboy15 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:01 pm
    lol i think any president that served eight years can be made to look good by summarizing two terms in one sentence.
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    yusuksomuch Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Pimp.
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    draquoir Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    I saw this on a shirt around 3 years ago.
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    lol he reads from the saem playbook as the rest of em.. sorry to say.. were drated
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:29 pm
    meh...
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    swiftkeys Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:45 pm
    Bwahahahahahhahahahaha
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    lol i think any president that served eight years can be made to look good by summarizing two terms in one sentence.
    ---------------
    Really? Ok Bush. Go.
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    heavypred Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:07 pm
    C`mon now, this is just silly. No wars? Bombing Serbia for 3 months, and no war? Losing special force elite team in Somalia an no war? Who the fkcu made this? 5 year old?
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:19 pm
    No wars?
    So, you must not know what happened to the Yugo factory, eh?
    But then, they DID make Yugos so maybe...
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    Considering he set up the US for the sub-prime crisis, so effectively made inevitable an economic collapse that drew in the world, I would say yes, he really was that bad.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    The man that set up the sub-prime crisis. No, he was not that bad. He was far, far worse.
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    Klamz Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    "C`mon now, this is just silly. No wars? Bombing Serbia for 3 months, and no war? Losing special force elite team in Somalia an no war? Who the fkcu made this? 5 year old?"

    Compared to 2 ten year wars.... yea NO WAR!
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    Made by typical blind Liberals. They probably believe in the "surplus" which didn`t exist.
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    Cuppsworth Male 13-17
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:32 pm
    I`m tired of these smellmocrats drating up the system. Not even the repoopyheads will do anything anymore. We need the liberterrainians.
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    littleoracle Female 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    Nice to see Clinton getting the credit he deserves.
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 5:54 pm
    No wars?

    Oh yeah. I guess he would call that little business in Yugoslavia a "police action".
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    Well it does fit the definition of police action, certainly was not a war by any means. Kinda like saying if you step across this line I`ll punch you being a fight.

    I thought the poster was funny.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    I really do miss Clinton. I watched a recent interview and felt like he was right on the money when they asked him about current issues. *sigh*
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    scoundrel1 Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    NAFTA! Anything else? I like the guy, but no, I don`t miss him as president.
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    DShephard Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 6:29 pm
    Shady man, don`t miss him one bit.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    even if clinton became president again he is NOT going to magically fix the economy...
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    chance13 Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 7:04 pm
    Yeah...NAFTA...you bet, miss ya tons.../sarcasm]
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 7:27 pm
    Tried to introduce socialized medicine and laid the foundations for the current recession.

    Also, I still think the Bosnian War should count as a war.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 8:23 pm
    Reagan economy, and Yugoslavia. Hmmmmmm.
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    grindinblade Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 9:08 pm
    @all The current recession was caused by simultaneous wars and a tax cut, not Clinton. And are you really comparing the 3-5 month military engagements to the Iraq Afghanistan mess? Also while you may say that `technically it wasn`t a surplus`, it was a hell of a lot better than where we are now. f-king repub
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    nick12684 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 9:16 pm
    Lets see: he effed up our trade system with NAFTA and that his meddling in foreign affairs in the late 90`s, was most the reason for 9/11 during his predecessor, Bush.... He did ok!
    In case you haven`t picked up on it, I`m being completely sarcastic. Although I do think he may of been the greatest president we`ve had sense JFK, he really screwed up free trade and practically caused 9/11 and the death of 3000 people. So I don`t know is there is any coming back from that. Ron Paul 2012 or bust!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2011 at 9:44 pm
    Here I`ll give it a try.

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    Fwoggie2 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    They`re all as xenophobic as each other. The rest of the world really hoped things would change for the better with Obama. Instead he clearly had too many favors to return to be able to do anything at all. It irritates me that none of them in the past 20 years have stopped to consider if their foreign policy is pissing the rest of the world off or not.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:13 pm
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:14 pm
    "It irritates me that none of them in the past 20 years have stopped to consider if their foreign policy is pissing the rest of the world off or not."

    ...and this matters because???
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    Mister_C Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:25 pm
    He smoked cigars, played the saxophone and got a BJ from an intern... and we thought he was bad! Ha! He was great, and a great personality too!
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 10:59 pm
    "It irritates me that none of them in the past 20 years have stopped to consider if their foreign policy is pissing the rest of the world off or not."

    ...and this matters because???
    How wonderfully parochial of you AJ. And as a non-American, I can see your point. There was a time when the Greeks ruled the known world. Then the Romans. Fast forward through the dark ages, it was a tussle between the British, the French, the Dutch and the Spanish. Now it`s America`s time. Or rather, it was. When you`re in charge, it`s easy to be a dick. Who gives a f*ck what the others think, right?

    Yep, all those empires failed eventually. Why? Cause they all got roostery.

    Good luck with your new Asian overlords, America. I just hope they don`t act as much like the assh*les you guys did in your hour of Zenith.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:05 pm
    LOL How`s that bait taste Davy.

    I actually feel you guys (non Americans).

    I can do without the whole "YOU GUYS SUCK! Give us money please." stuff though.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:07 pm
    AJ, you cheeky monkey. I can`t tell when you`re being serious business. Dammit.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:31 pm
    LOL being a little sensational there davy.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2011 at 11:57 pm
    the guy was awesome...`nuff said...i for one DO miss him...
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    Neagle Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 1:03 am
    This is the man who decided to appoint Al Gore as his VP.
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 1:15 am
    ..what, you still into that "president" thing? Give them a break, they`re puppets.

    Companies run USA. Investment banks, FED, Lloyd Blankfein etc. protestors accupy Wall Street, not The White House.
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    felixbuzz Male 60-69
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    October 4, 2011 at 3:13 am
    you`re right neagle. he is sorely missed
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    greekhop Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 3:25 am
    I thought he was a cool dude. But no wars? R U kidding me? Short memories, or maybe you just didnt even realize. Its hard to notice if the bombs arent dropping on your head.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 5:46 am
    No wars???
    Somalia, Bosnia,Liberia,Iraq,Afganistan,Sudan and Serbis obviously don`t count. Yes, Afghanistan people; we were bombing terrorists before Bush. If slick willy would have done his job instead of getting head from interns, we may have been able to avoid 9/11.


    No, I don`t miss him.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:17 am
    NAFTA, Somalia(Black Hawk down incident), Yugoslavia, BJs, what the definition of is is, Whitewater scam and ignoring Bin Ladens attacks. He gets a pass though cause he got to ride the tech boom and in the process thought it would be good to sell off our jobs to China don`t make someone into something they`re not.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:20 am
    @"No Wars"

    At least he wasn`t busy occupying them for FIVE YEARS!!!
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:23 am
    Right... and Aspirin factories didn`t blow up they just got beamed up by aliens.

    Oh and Newt Gingrich and the republican led congress didn`t have an effect on the economy at all, that was all him. Power of the purse, riiight.

    Oh and being the second impeaced president was just so funny, ah ah ah

    oh oh and cheating on his wife, wow wasn`t she surprised.

    And having the chance to kill Osama Bin Laden but not taking it, that sure paid off.

    Good times, Good times.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:26 am
    @davymid

    Nope they`ll be much more ruthless but you`re too bitter to see that.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:27 am
    It doesn`t matter who the President is, whether or not they`re a success is usually decided by things that are out of their own hands. If Clinton was in power when Bush was and vice versa, then history would be looking very differently on each of them.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:31 am
    Oh and Newt Gingrich and the republican led congress didn`t have an effect on the economy at all, that was all him. Power of the purse, riiight.



    Oh yeah and the Republican-led congress wasn`t trying to pass a 5h17load of spending bills.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:34 am
    Your absolutely right cajun247 we got blown out of the air before we could even hold any ground.

    Yes THAT was a screw-up, but he didn`t wreck the economy like Bush did (although he is rightfully responsible for the housing crisis). What about those wars? None those interventions lasted years as opposed to one that`s lasted two administrations.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:34 am
    Your absolutely right cajun247 we got blown out of the air before we could even hold any ground.

    And balancing the budget was just so unproductive for the economy
  51. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:36 am
    as opposed to one that`s lasted two administrations

    Make that two. Do I necessarily agree with those wars? No, but nation building (like Iraq) is expen$$$ive.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:37 am
    so it was bush push out housing loans eh? And not Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I see go on.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:48 am
    so it was bush push out housing loans eh

    No but Bush did sign:
    Prescription drug entitlement program
    DHS and Patriot acts
    A farm bill
    2 pork filled transportation bills
    Auto and financial bailouts
    and of course a war which was poorly justified.

    I`ve already said it though Clinton takes the housing crisis
  54. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:50 am
    oh oh and cheating on his wife, wow wasn`t she surprised.

    Why do you give a 5h17?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 6:51 am
    And having the chance to kill Osama Bin Laden but not taking it, that sure paid off.

    Source or STFU.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 7:09 am
    "It irritates me that none of them in the past 20 years have stopped to consider if their foreign policy is pissing the rest of the world off or not."

    ...and this matters because???

    If our foreign policy is brewing more enemies than eliminating, it is not good for trade relations in the long term.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 7:18 am
    sorry sorry, I had a life and left for a second.

    Firstly to your "No but Bush did sign: ... poorly justified. "

    So how does this back up your previous claim in anyway?

    Secondly, I care because he was our president and the figure head of our credibility.

    and lastly your source
    it`s not letting me put it on as a link so just connect the it to the url, you can do that right.

    http:// www.youtube.com /watch?v =oe5BFWgGgeY
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 7:36 am
    Also Clinton admits to, in his words "failing to kill Osama" He said the reason he didn`t was because it would have taken a few hundred special forces officers flying in by helicopter by night and it was to risky. Hmmmm. Yep that plan would have never worked.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 4, 2011 at 7:39 am

    If we could get Slick Willy back for another 8 years
    I would blow him in the oval office.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:06 am
    @richanddead

    A president`s sex life is not relevant to the federal government`s fiscal situation.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:07 am
    It is also the WORST way to judge their ability as president.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:14 am
    Your right but committing perjury as president, and then getting caught, well that I would say is the BEST way to judge their ability as president.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:18 am
    Clinton had the benefit of being commander & chief during the tech boom. Everybody was making money. The tech boom wasn`t derived from any action of any previous president. It was an invention brought to market that everyone had to have. We all look fondly at this time because unemployment was near 4% and Wall Street hadn`t figured out a way to rip people off. Life was good.
    He was a decent president but not a great man. He was flawed like most men but the hatred he received from the right was unfounded and specious and set the stage for today`s political bitterness.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:19 am
    Lastly as for Newt Gingrich and Co balncing the budget.

    My ass they were.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:23 am
    well that I would say is the BEST way to judge their ability as president

    You`re right, it`s congress`s business to be probing the sex life of the Commander and Chief.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:26 am
    @madest I agree with the first part, the tech boom. Yet perjury is a serious crime and a capital offence. I don`t think he was a decent president, he was impeached, and it wasn`t unfounded, it was recorded and brodcasted across the nation.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:32 am
    wow cajun247, i suppose thats supposed to be an unbiased report right, really this is your evidence. I did note that he glanced over balancing the budget, oh but that did matter.
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    theBSR Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:33 am
    Cato Institute....completely unbiased.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:36 am
    and in the the end he said "Is the government smaller than it would have been if Democrats had retained power? The unsatisfying answer is "probably, but not by much.""

    Well damn I`m blown away, probably.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:37 am
    I did note that he glanced over balancing the budget, oh but that did matter.

    Oh yes trade defense spending for social welfare expansion, yes an excellent way to balance the budget.
    Nice try there bub.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:37 am
    His impeachment was unfounded. The man was hounded by the GOP about Whitewater from the day he was elected. Monica Lewinsky had nothing to do with Whitewater. The questions of his dalliance with her should have never been asked.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:42 am
    The questions of his dalliance with her should have never been asked

    Exactly. Tired of the President vetoing your bills? Probe his sex life. Great judge of ability right there.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:45 am
    i suppose thats supposed to be an unbiased report right

    ...or you`re just can`t stand libertarians.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:47 am
    @madest they wouldn`t know unless they asked plus thats still no excuse for perjury, if it were anyone else easy 4-7 years in prison, but him, its ok.

    @cajun247 so your saying that defense spending in 1998-1999 was a bad idea? The embassy`s, the Cole, two years later 9/11. Yea we didn`t need it.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:49 am
    The embassy`s, the Cole, two years later 9/11

    Those were the result of bad strategies not lack of money.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:53 am
    they wouldn`t know unless they asked plus thats still no excuse for perjury

    Regardless the case had no merit whatsoever.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:55 am
    "...or you`re just can`t stand libertarians."

    Have nothing against them, to be totally honest I skimmed it quickly and got caught up on it. So I hereby apologize for mocking your source. That being said your source agrees that government was
    smaller during the Republicans term and responsible in part for the nice economy, which was the basis for our argument.
  78. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:55 am
    The embassy`s

    More soldiers ain`t gonna stop a truck bomb

    the Cole

    More boats ain`t gonna stop a boat bomb

    9/11

    You get the idea.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:57 am
    "Those were the result of bad strategies not lack of money."

    How is embassies, a ship, and getting attacked a strategy?

    "Regardless" a word used to deny facts.
  80. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:57 am
    That being said your source agrees that government was
    smaller during the Republicans term and responsible in part for the nice economy

    Nope you missed this part:
    "Next year the federal government will spend close to $1.7 trillion. If the Democrats had never lost Congress, next year the federal government would also spend close to $1.7 trillion."
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 8:59 am
    "More soldiers ain`t gonna stop a truck bomb"
    "More boats ain`t gonna stop a boat bomb"

    Yea, but they have, you get the idea.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:00 am
    How is embassies, a ship, and getting attacked a strategy?

    You`re putting words into my mouth. There was no adequate strategy to prevent this, thus it happened.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:01 am
    And you missed this part

    "Is the government smaller than it would have been if Democrats had retained power? The unsatisfying answer is "probably, but not by much."
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:01 am
    Yea, but they have, you get the idea.

    No it was methods not numbers.
    Secondly you make more soldiers/embassies/boats you make more targets.
  85. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:02 am
    ...and you glanced over this phrase.

    "but not by much"

    As in "insignificant" or "not enough to warrant any praise".
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:03 am
    Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:49:48 AM
    The embassy`s, the Cole, two years later 9/11

    Those were the result of bad strategies not lack of money.
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    exactly how am I misquoting you?
  87. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:08 am
    exactly how am I misquoting you

    Actually you misunderstand me it was bad strategy on behalf of the military, which allowed those events to happen.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:08 am
    "No it was methods not numbers.
    Secondly you make more soldiers/embassies/boats you make more targets."

    So that`s why they called the strategy "the surge" when they put 20,000 soldiers in at once.
  89. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:12 am
    So that`s why they called the strategy "the surge" when they put 20,000 soldiers in at once.

    There`s a difference between a wave of violence (insurgancy) and coordinated attacks (embassy bombings).
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:13 am
    No see I still understand, is having an embassy a bad strategy, or refueling ships are a bad strategy, or getting attack was a bad strategy, I would agree with that one but it`s not really a strategy.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:19 am
    "There`s a difference between a wave of violence (insurgancy) and coordinated attacks (embassy bombings)."

    Now you misunderstood me, we were the ones doing the surge with 20000 troops in 2007
  92. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:25 am
    refueling ships are a bad strategy

    ..or maybe scaring a suspicious boat away with suppressing fire. Course they had standing orders not to because would`ve been a major international incident.

    is having an embassy a bad strategy

    ..or maybe not being so involved in other nations` affairs.

    Now you misunderstood me, we were the ones doing the surge with 20000 troops in 2007

    Yes in order to counter the insurgency.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:35 am
    or maybe scaring a suspicious boat away with suppressing fire

    See what I did there? No new boats needed just different rules. Like I said without changing the rules of engagement you`re simply creating more targets by building boats. Whereas change the rules of engagement, and our boats no longer obliged to be sitting ducks to someone who doesn`t need a gun to do a lot of damage.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:46 am
    So let me make sure I got this correct this time.

    The 18-20 year old kids who were on deck should have turned them to swiss cheeze, even though they were in friendly waters of an allied nation, and despite the Navy specifically had rules against it and as you put it, it would have become an international incident.

    We should have become isolationist and not fight the starvation, bloodshed, or aids in Africa

    And each time we used the surge it was effective. And that comment was directed at you comment about numbers.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:46 am
    all in a time of peace, right
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:49 am
    "See what I did there? No new boats needed just different rules. Like I said without changing the rules of engagement you`re simply creating more targets by building boats."

    Ok so scrap the navy?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:53 am
    The 18-20 year old kids who were on deck should have turned them to swiss cheeze, even though they were in friendly waters of an allied nation, and despite the Navy specifically had rules against it and as you put it, it would have become an international incident.

    Not necessarily, I actually meant warning shots, not kill shots. Furthermore, it`s very interesting as to why the Cole was making fuel stop there even though Yemen was listed as a harbor for terrorists by the state department at the time.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2011 at 9:55 am
    to be totally honest dude your not convincing me and I`m not convincing you, and I got poo to do today man. agree to disagree?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10841 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 9:55 am
    Ok so scrap the navy?

    You`re putting words into my mouth.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10841 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 9:56 am
    agree to disagree

    Alright by me.


    See you next time!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 10:51 am
    "but the hatred he received from the right was unfounded and specious and set the stage for today`s political bitterness."

    Do you remember how much poo Reagan got from the Democrats? I mean seriously. Makes today look like everyone loves each other.
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    MichaelBored Male 40-49
    206 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 11:46 am
    @auburnjunky: "Do you remember how much poo Reagan got from the Democrats?"

    Yes. As a matter of fact, I do. And no Democrat ever accused Reagan of rape, or being responsible for the murders of almost 50 colleagues, advisors and citizens who supposedly had dirt on him. No Democrat ever tried to have Reagan impeached.

    Now, at best, you would have been 8-16 during Reagan`s tenure. I was only a few years older, but I do know that none of those things ever happened to Reagan. Accusations of senility? Yes. Possible culpability for Iran-Contra? Yes. Were there conspiracy theories about Reagan, just like there are with all presidents? Yes. But nothing Democrats did or said about Reagan came close to the GOP`s hatred of the Clenis, or the media`s scorn of the man of whom the ultimate DC elitist David Broder said, "He came in here and he trashed the place. And it`s not his place."
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    slbtiger Female 30-39
    105 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    It wasn`t that Clinton was getting beej`s on the side.

    It was the fact that he used government $$ and resources to cover up his affair.

    That he had no problem lying to a federal jury - no matter what the situation was.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    The poster has a point and let`s remember there is none of us perfect.
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    Amurika Male 30-39
    282 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    Ol Willie paid off the national debt alright. He was the best drug dealer of all time. LOL

    Sorry to burst your bubble.
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    simpletools Male 40-49
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    October 4, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    For the record, aside from the infidelity, I like Clinton. He seems like a great guy to hang out with. But the bottom line is he wasn`t a very good POTUS. Yeah, he created a great economy at the cost of the next generations livelyhood. i.e. Housing and the savings and loan crisis.
    Also, 9/11 and the wars that followed happened becuase Clinton ignored Bin Ladin over and over again. A lot of people seem to have conveniently forgotten that Bin Landin tried to blow up the WTC with a truck bomb during Clinton`s term.
    I could go on, but there`s no point because when it comes to politics, most people just ignore the facts.
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    FartSmeller Male 50-59
    33 posts
    October 4, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    The bubble economy started under Clinton started to collapse just as Bush took office. Then Bush kept Greenspan on and blew and even bigger bubble, which collapsed at the end of Bushes term. Then Benarke following Greenspans example started blowing up a government credit bubble under Obama and ...
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    ZsaZsaGoar Female 18-29
    144 posts
    October 5, 2011 at 4:25 am
    @simpletools

    um no not really
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    lightoffancy Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2011 at 1:22 pm
    No wars? What about Kosovo
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    asianchamp Male 18-29
    414 posts
    October 6, 2011 at 5:25 am
    ol` Hill dog should of just agreed to that hot threesome.
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    bongsmoka420 Male 18-29
    290 posts
    October 6, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    CLINTON WAS A BOSS!!! He`s my presidential hero along side Reagan and Kennedy.

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