Another Side Of The Occupy Wall St. Protest [Pic]

Submitted by: eugenius 6 years ago in

She"s not exactly a counter-protester, but she raises a few good points against the cause.
There are 155 comments:
Male 89
hey smart mouth, your 13 now right, that means you can get YOUR working papers. so why dont you get a job at mcdonalds and see how pissed off you get, when your weekly paycheck is like 80 bucks and you work 20 hours. oh yeah and buy your own stuff, dont let mommy and daddy take you shopping. see how fun it is. BRAT.
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Male 506
Typical 13 year old parrot for her parent`s beliefs. Classy.

My beliefs radically changed once I moved out of my parents house and was introduced to a host of different people from different backgrounds and different parts of the world at large. Come talk to me again when you`re actually part of the real world sweetie.
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Male 104
Where does a 13 yo girl pick up the phrase "Bitter Women`s Studies"?!
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Female 305
sooo how is this different than the tea party protests? they`re both against wasteful spending by idiots, no? but because this protest isn`t made up of mostly republicans, this time it`s totally acceptable in the media`s eyes? hypocrisy democracy.
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Male 469
My dad pays for everything for me so that making me an expert on the subject of jobs, money, and hard work.
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Male 756
move to alberta, theres nothing but jobs up there
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Male 68
Kreaol:[i]My Dad worked hard and proved himself, I worked hard and proved myself, I bet my son will work hard and prove himself,and THAT is how you become successful.

Not by living off Government hand-outs.[/i]*

*Your results may differ.

You are making assumptions that everyone who is poor has not worked hard and is living off of government hand-outs? That`s a mighty-broad brush you`re painting with, Kreaol. I suppose no one has ever encountered hardship before, and any failure to become a rich and successful is entirely the fault of their own. No one could have lost their job due to a major global recession caused by the utter failures of investment bankers, and then been unable to recover afterward. That scenario is completely unheard of in these times. That attitude is insulting.
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Male 1,231
There`s alot of comments on there now; well worth a browse through!
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Male 38
Little girl with the black fingernails is a moron: her parents are not Wall St bankers and are in no way the target of the protests.

I would like to see her say that to the face of these two guys:

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Male 26
words words words words. . .just make a youtube video you little wh0re
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Male 663
>>>Your dad can find a job somewhere where profits are not based on disenfranchising the rest of humanity.<<<

Exactly were is the place were profits are "based on disenfranchising the rest of humanity?"
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Male 83
Most interesting argument I`ve heard about the tax rate on the rich: by lowering it so much, we have incentivized greed. Think about it: why not cut your employee`s pay and give yourself a fat bonus. Use to be it went to the government, but now you can keep most of it. That is what the 1% vs 99% is about - a growing economic divide between the elites and the rest of us, one that is beginning to make a feudal lord look like philanthropist.

But, yeah, I agree with those who suspect she didn`t write that herself...
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Male 116
Whatever, the stupidity of a child, thats why they arent allowed to vote & drive. What does this have to do with anything? What would this kid write if here Dad was the `computer engineer` for the mafia, or at some horrible hellhole, yknow Auswitz needed engineers too. Im sure hes a great family man, maybe graduated cum laude. Thats not whats being discussed or protested. Your dad can find a job somewhere where profits are not based on disenfranchising the rest of humanity.
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Male 296
only 13 and already with the slutty fingernails.
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Male 52
Brap, 1000 char max.

*and THAT is how you become successful.

Not by living off Government hand-outs.*
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Male 52
I have always believed the same thing.

I came from Soviet Russia to the states with my parents when I was three, and we only had the clothes on our backs essentially.

No government aid, we lived with a sponsor (who would be considered by today`s standards to be in the "poor" zone) until they helped my parents find low-paying jobs and a cheap apartment.

In the course of 20+ years, my dad was laid off 2-3 times for company downsizing, but always strove and FOUND a job as soon as possible. He managed to provide for his family of wife and three kids, built a second story to our ranch with his bare hands, and recently adopted another three kids from Ukraine.

I work in IT for a Fortune 500 company, and have a wife and one awesome kid (so far), along with a home we bought almost 2 years ago. My Dad worked hard and proved himself, I worked hard and proved myself, I bet my son will work hard and prove himself, and THAT is how you become successfu
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Male 79
Anyone get the feeling the little girl didnt write that?
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Male 174
The ignorace written on that sheet of paper is astounding. Great job kid, you successfully broadly generalized an entire movement showing your complete ignorance. As for it being unorganized, read this. This is why it should remain unorganized, seeing as how 4 of these things listed have already happened.

>[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywalls...
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Male 3,369
I`d love for Crakrjak, SCfan,old Ollie, and this little mouth-breather to go up to those WWII vets that are there and try to make their arguments.
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Male 5,004
I can`t decide if I want my comment to be "I`m 13 and I can hold up a sign my daddy wrote." or "Those are awful large hands for a 13 year-old."
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Female 144
im not republican but I think the occupy wall street protests are way too unorganized and most of the people there have no idea why they`re there. Maybe if so many protestors didn`t do it just cause they`re friends are there, it would be a different story.
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Male 2,419
Back in the day you couldn`t even take Bitter Women`s Studies, you had to study at the Faculty of Household Science
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Male 1,451
OldOllie: did they leave her out in the sun too long? She could`ve been a grape!

Or do you mean she is "wine"ing?
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Male 201
No, this child is being used by her parents to purport an ideology which, as a "computer engineer," does not even bring economic benefit to the father. This is typical Republican propaganda. `Merica! Goddamn gay agenda liberals bullpoo Muslim homo socialist feminist blah blah blah.
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Male 26
mcdonald`s is part of the downfall of this country. She doesnt get it.. ugh
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Male 534
Ah bless. 13 and already a superiority complex.
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Male 15,832
Raisin` kids: they`re doin` it right.
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Male 234
I have a degree in Architecture. I can`t get a job in the architecture field. I`m joining the army to pay of my debts. I`m getting a position in the army that is architecture related. Do I want to join the army? No. Do I agree with what the military is doing? No. Are they giving me a salary AND paying off my student loans AND offering me money to go back to school? YES. drat all you greedy non-nice individuals.
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Male 186
"...your future is bleak...."
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Male 186
OK, maybe not not bitter women`s studies. However, if you have a degree in any of the following you`ve wasted a lot on money and you future is bleak; Psychology, education, women`s studies, African studies, journalism, art, art history, philosophy, sociology, communications, it, anthropology, archaeology, theology, or any discipline that ignored science and math. Sorry.
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Male 120
And in fifteen years, shell have forgotten all about this poo and be right there with the same problems as the 99%.
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Female 472
Apparently her mother didn`t raise her completely right or she wouldn`t be mouthing off about things she probably doesn`t fully understand.
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Male 68
Lame troll is lame. But at least at "13" she has everything figured out. It`s a good thing for her that she`ll never lose her job or face any sort of hardship, and she can guarantee that she`ll be productive... by whatever standards she uses to determine what is productive or not.
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Male 1,231
@Anger, see, this crossed my mind as well. I didn`t think anyone, even a 13 year old girl could have these opinions, but they do. I`m undecided whether or not its a troll, on the basis that there`s actually a good few people out there who share her opinion.
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Female 4,084
first of all, i`ve got absolutely nothing against ANYONE making more money than i do. but i do have a problem with the state of the economy. i don`t know EXACTLY EVERYTHING that caused the current economic mess that we are in (and i`ll bet you don`t either) but i do regret that so many people, including myself, have lost jobs and homes and comfortable lifestyles. contrary to the little girl`s missive, i can`t believe everyone protesting has a degree in `bitter women studies`; some of those people are suffering in legitimate pain and minimizing that is criminal.
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Male 2,790
hahaha nice website
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Male 8,530
krisley-"But the majority of those that use welfare actually do need the money and aren`t trying to scam anybody"

I have nothing against the programs except for the amount of abuse that wastes our tax dollars. I`d like to see stricter guidelines and more limitations.
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Male 218
it`s a troll
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Male 379
on a different note... I love how so many, even some of these commenters eat up the media bias that has been used when reporting on this protest. get the facts idiots. ever wonder why huge corporate media is not fairly representing what is actually going on down there..? Hmmm.. think about it.
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Male 541
Wait until she`s grows up and learns to think for herself and realizes that corporations have our government by the balls.
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Male 379
i bet those are her very own opinions on the matter and she wasn`t influenced at all by her parents. It must be nice for her mom to be lazy c*nt on a single salary just so she could raise this fine, productive, not in the least bit biased, spoiled little brat.
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Male 955
And from a 13 year old. Right ok
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Male 526
MeGrendel, yes there are a few scumbags that abuse the system. They should be hung/burned/electrocuted, whatever. But the majority of those that use welfare actually do need the money and aren`t trying to scam anybody.
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Male 573
You can be a 100% productive member of society, nothing wrong with a hard days work. But `the rich` still need to pay their fair share.
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Male 1,231
According to the blog, one is encouraged to `let the hate flow through you` by emailing her/him at; [email protected] I`m going to do just that now.
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Male 3
I would love to see someone like her call the uniformed military personell down there hippies. Or the unions, or teachers, or police, etc etc...ignorant non-nice individual.
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Male 8,530
mal_BB-"when it dawns on her that her taxes are going towards paying for a pointless war, ...."

She probably REALLY be pissed when she sees how much comes out of her paycheck to pay for the generational welfare cows with dozens of kids, espcially when she`s behind some in line at the store that are buying steaks and seafood that she can`t afford and paying for it with their EBT cards.

That`ll really piss her off.
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Male 2,085
Wow, a lot of liberal ignorance is shining through.
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Male 1,231
Lets see if she`s still saying this in a few years time when it dawns on her that her taxes are going towards paying for a pointless war, a financial crisis which was caused by idiot bankers with a gambling addiction and a seriously flawed monetary system. Not alot pisses me off, but her precocious, ignorant sanctimonious attitude achieves just that.
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Male 373
Kid with no experience of the real world spouts parents opinions, expects to be taken seriously.

Really, Biology? Because no one with a biology degree could be out of work? dumbass.
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Male 210
What Marco51 said.
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Female 67
i hate this she is completely ignorant its not about having a job.. i have three. its about the greed and fear that run this country
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Male 495
I guarantee she didn`t write that.
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Male 159
future working person .... gotta have respect for this growing kid... I remember being 14 and getting my first construction job .. It was hard but i knew it was to be proud of one`s self that counts and enjoying that pay that made my life easier... kudos
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Male 734
Magerune...are you saying that if I`m in the top 20% I earn more than $275 million a year? Where are you getting this nonsense from?
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Male 51
Nice ! We always need the narrow point of view of a spoiled kid regarding social and economical problems...
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Male 734
"If only the tables weren`t tilted to the rich. " WTF is that supposed to mean? Not one thing is tilted toward anyone. NOBODY is stopping you from being a success in this country other than you. You are the only thing stopping you. Not Wall Street, not Me, not I-A-B, not anyone. Well, that`s not true actually. The government (specifically Democrats) want to make it more difficult by over regulating everything and over taxing the people who actually create wealth and jobs but other than that, there isn`t one thing standing in your way. Go whine somewhere else.
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Female 325
Wait until your father loses his job, toots.
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Male 1,586
I completely agree with her. I live beneath my means by quite a large margin. My wife freaks out if our checking goes under $300 and she freaks out more if our savings goes under $1000. It`s pretty simple; don`t buy stuff you can`t afford
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Male 8,530
Klamz-"We could eat the protesters...?"

After this much time without showers? WAY to gamey.
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Male 688
We could eat the protesters...?
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Male 525
@MrJB: Ayn Rand mentality? You mean the mentality that one has no right to enslave another or use force against another peaceful person? You think owning slaves is ok?

You mean the mentality that A=A, existence exists, reality is objective and therefore knowable (she was heavily inspired by Aristotle)? You do realize that you use these axioms to form logical conclusions every day, right?
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Male 34
Accusing people in struggle of being lazy you are not in so bad (due to luck in choosing a degree) is the most imbecile idiotic thing to do and comming from "educated" human beings just makes it worse...
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Male 64
Ah if only this Ayn Rand mentality applied to the real world. If only degrees guaranteed a job. If only the American idea of "Work hard, get rewarded" was true. If only the tables weren`t tilted to the rich.

If only....
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Male 7
things like this really show how easy is for media (i mean gouvernment) to manipulate people all around the world. IF INJUSTICE EXIST and if human rights are violated then all that has to be corected, fixed by those who brought it.
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Male 391
Killdumbbitches.org
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Male 8,530
LandoGriffin-"My point is that getting a Biology degree costs money. "

And it was your option to take out a loan to pay for it. It`s entirely possible to get a degree without going into debt.
LandoGriffin-" That and the house we live in, since we didn`t have $500,000 in cash laying around to buy the house outright"

That was your option, too. You volunteered for that debt. You could have rented for a while and paid off the student debts before buying a house. Or even only paid $250,000 for a house. The payments would have been less and you could have put the rest toward your debt.
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Male 171
Well, Mcdonalds currently emplys more than 1.5 million ppl worldwide.
Now if they hire the ~30 million "damn hippies" without jobs in america, that solves everything!
Well except maybe obesity, since then theyd have to make like 40 times more burgers, which is quite a lot.
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Male 3,842
@MeGrendel

What are you talking about?

My point is that getting a Biology degree costs money. It doesn`t make sense to claim that if someone had a Biology degree then they wouldn`t be in debt because the degree is what put us in debt in the first place. That and the house we live in, since we didn`t have $500,000 in cash laying around to buy the house outright.

Why do you think I am upset? I`m not. I just think the girl is ignorant about expenses.
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Male 8,530
Heureux-"Alcoholism is a terrible disease."

Alcoholism is not a disease. It`s just stupidity. Which is why I do not drink.

But, feel free to check the numbers. Compare the National Dept at the end of Bush`s Admin and now, and devide that by the population then and now.
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Male 525
@skine: So only people who have jobs are allowed to think and form opinions in this matter?

That`s fine for you to say "her argument carries no weight", but you must actually demonstrate WHY it carries no weight. The fact that she has no job and is supported by parents does not inherently make it wrong or any less a legitimate argument, is what I`m saying.
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Male 8,530
LandoGriffin-"still paying off both my and my wife`s college tuition"

See, you should call the cops and have the people who held the gun to your head to take out those loans sent to jail, it`s only right.

What? You requested those loans? Totally voluntary? Sorry you have no case, then.

Sorry, you requested the money. You spent the money. You have no rational to be upset that you have to pay them back.
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Male 1,054
"40% of that was given to her by Obama. "

Alcoholism is a terrible disease.
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Male 1,054
The other thing about this brat - her negative assumptions about other people, people she knows nothing about, indicate that mother did not raise her well, at all.

So, Mom sacrificed her chance at a career, and probably guilt tripped kidlet here about it, and still managed to raise a spoiled, self-centered brat.
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Male 3,842
Stupid kid. Does she think that Biology degree is free? I`m 39 and still paying off both my and my wife`s college tuition, and we both had partial academic scholarships. We both work our asses off and are still up to our ears in debt. How does she plan to pay for her college education? Oh, yeah, right, Mommy and Daddy pay your way, you little spoiled brat.

I`d take you a lot more seriously if you were an adult in the real world, you know, with a JOB and debt to pay off just like the rest of us.
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Male 8,530
magerune-"difference in wage between a CEO and ANY of his workers has not only gotten worse over the years it`s down right criminal."

And what, beside your irrational jealousy of the income of the CEO, do you base the `criminal` part on? Please show me the law that statez a CEO can only make `X` amount more than its lowest paid worker?

I don`t even know what the CEO of my company makes per year. I DO NOT CARE! I made a contract with him to pay me a certain amount in exchange for my services. He hasn`t renigged on the deal, so I`m happy.
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Male 2,841
It`s nice to know that there can be one intelligent person in a sea of dumbasses.
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Male 8,530
thubanstar-"Some people want a change, not the same crap."

That`s what they voted for in the last Presidential election. All they got was worse crap.
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Male 8,530
DrProfessor-" easily the hardest working and most efficient bus boy there, and he was still at minimum wage."

If he`s the `hardest working and most efficient bus boy`, then he has skills to look elseware.

DrProfessor-" if he`s willing to give everyone raises that often"

If they earn it, they get it. He doesn`t `give` it to them.

DrProfessor-"you really think that 40 hours a week is something to sniff at?"

I can`t remember the last time I worked as little as 40 hours. And while your time-schedule was informative, that is only applicable for someone going to school (which is admirable), my comment on 40 hours didn`t mention going to school. When I was putting myself through school, between work and school and assignments, I was easily putting in 75+ hours a week.
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Male 80
The average income of the top 20% wealthiest families in the world is 275 MILLION a year!

And the rest of us in the bottom 90% of the world? Our average income is 37 THOUSAND a year!

I don`t want change because I don`t have a job, I HAVE a good paying job, but the difference in wage between a CEO and ANY of his workers has not only gotten worse over the years it`s down right criminal.
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Male 52
The problem with her argument is that, yes, there are lazy, unproductive people out there, but many of the people working on Wall St. are even counterproductive, causing financial crises of bigger than ever extent, and are not held accountable for these crimes.
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Female 8,046
Seems that a 13year old wearing nail polish and mascara may not come from the sort of background one should pay attention to..........
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Male 1,054
Karma is going to smack that brat upside the head really hard one day.

And a picture of it will end up on the internet, and then get posted to some iteration of IAB, and she`ll be mocked and parody, perhaps even by the same people who think she has anything valid to say now.
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Male 8,530
skine-" has no debt"

Says who? Thanks to our government, she is now the proud owner of ~$47,685.73*. 40% of that was given to her by Obama.

*(as of the time of this posting and based on a debt of $14,852,290,216,710.09 and a population of 311,461,964).

And, seeing as she hopes to be a productive member of society, she`ll probably end up paying for the portion of the non-productive.
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Male 171
Well, Mcdonalds currently emplys more than 1.5 million ppl worldwide.
Now if they hire the ~30 million "damn hippies" without jobs in america, that solves everything!
Well except maybe obesity, since then theyd have to make like 40 times more burgers, which is quite a lot.
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Male 171
Well, Mcdonalds currently emplys more than 1.5 million ppl worldwide.
Now if they hire the ~30 million "damn hippies" without jobs in america, that solves everything!
Well except maybe obesity, since then theyd have to make like 40 times more burgers, which is quite a lot.
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Female 836
MeGrendel, really. Some people want a change, not the same crap. Get over it.
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Male 3,894
...and that`s 22 hours a day completely full.

I haven`t included meals or bathing yet. Or, you know, maybe an hour to relax and restore your sanity.

Note there is absolutely no time in there that you can spend with your friends.
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Male 3,894
@MeGrendel - I know a fellow who`d been working at Big Boy for two years, easily the hardest working and most efficient bus boy there, and he was still at minimum wage.

Because he couldn`t find another job and the managers didn`t want to spend more every time they had him working. Hell, they were so cheap that we had to work with barely usable equipment (I worked there for the summer)...

I mean, really. If you don`t have anywhere else to go (and in this job market, you generally don`t) then how can you threaten to take your services elsewhere if you don`t get paid better?

Your owner-acquaintance must be rather generous if he`s willing to give everyone raises that often.

And, you really think that 40 hours a week is something to sniff at? That averages out to 6 hours a day.

I already go to class for 6 hours a day, and each class (I have 5 of them) expects you to study for an hour each night. So there`s 5 hours. 5 more hours for sleep, and tha
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Male 45
Yeah, cause 13 year old girls know a lot about monetary policies, civil liberties, economics and foreign policy..

Yet another mindless fool that`s willing to dismiss the movement as a plea for handouts. We aren`t all looking for handouts. Some of us are simply looking for the opportunities that once existed but now do not. Even deeper than that, i am marching to ask for opportunities to be available to my children 10-15 years from now. If anyone thinks things are going to be any better 10 years from now by doing nothing, I suggest you get your fkn head checked.

Speak up or shut up.
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Male 171
Well, Mcdonalds currently emplys more than 1.5 million ppl worldwide.
Now if they hire the ~30 million "damn hippies" without jobs in america, that solves everything!
Well except maybe obesity, since then theyd have to make like 40 times more burgers, which is quite a lot.
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Male 5,163
Lol guys i never expected from Americans to propose a socialist( i mean old russian way) solution for problems. You are just suggesting that McDonald can be the work dispenser for all your people like the state was the work dispenser for russian people in the past, very funny this think.
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Male 719
"No it doesn`t. To say it does is an ad hominem attack and a fallacy."

Ad hominem is not necessarily a fallacy, especially in situations where such arguments are legitimate and relevant to the issue.

In this case, the fact that she is too young to enter the job market, has no debt, and is being supported by a parent all act to disqualify her opinions.

That doesn`t necessarily make her argument wrong, but rather that her argument carries no weight.
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Male 25,416
lolz
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Male 8,530
DrProfessor-"working full time (40 hrs./wk) at a minimum wage ($7.50) job, you will only make $15,651 a year. "

And if you limit yourself to 40 hrs./wk and your work ethic is such that you REMAIN at $7.50 an hour is your work really worth that $15,651 a year.

A GOOD worker earns more, as he/she demonstrates that his effort is an asset to the company and management will want to keep them.

I know people who own McDonald`s. His employees that make minimum wage only make minimum wage because you can`t legally pay them what their efforts are worth (which is less). These are the people who may, or may not, show up for work and you have to remind them to stay off of their cell phones.

The people actually doing a good job soon are making more than minimum wage at his stores, because a person who puts in 60 minutes of work in an hour at $10 is worth MORE than two employees who put in 20 minutes an hour each at $7.50.
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Male 8,530
Gerry1of1-"I know a lady who works at McDonalds."

I`ll see your lady at McDonalds and raise you a man who worked at McDonalds while putting himself through college. He, too, has a Masters in Business, and continued to work at McDonalds (and others) after college while looking for a job. Within five years and a series of positions he now has a nice job in marketing making a nice, six-figure salary.

So, he had the MBA, a work history and the willingness to work and not give up (and, btw, no student loans).

Your point was?
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Male 525
Great post, Dr. Professor, but I think that most people are using her age to condescendingly dismiss her.

I urge all dissenters to use your post as a model on how to form an argument.
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Male 2,344
This this this this this this this this this this
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Male 3,894
..."natural disaster" expenditures (broken computer, broken car, broken body, anything that just HAPPENS. And when you exist on this planet, things just HAPPEN a lot.)

And then you don`t have much of that $15,651 left.

And then you realize that you can`t devote 40 hours a week to McDonald`s in the first place, if you want to have any hope of keeping up on your classes.

And then you realize that you`re f*cked. Well and truly f*cked.

And if you don`t have a father who happens to be a successful computer engineer, there`s nobody around to pull you back out.

So you go to Wall Street and protest.
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Male 1,866
I`m Lovin it!
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Male 5,163
Gerry1of1 not a great benefit for her arteries btw.
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Male 3,894
Pointing out her age isn`t an attempt to disprove her argument, it`s an attempt to explain why she made the false assumptions that she presented.

She`s 13. She probably hasn`t held a job before. She hasn`t been to college, she hasn`t had to manage her own money, and she doesn`t know what the job market is like.

Therefore, when she assumes that McDonald`s is ALWAYS hiring, and that a Biology degree guarantees you a job, she has no experience to speak from. How can I disprove her argument? I`ll point to the lack of available jobs, and the large number of applicants for any open positions. I`ll point to some of my graduated friends who still hold jobs they could have gotten BEFORE college.

I would point out that even working full time (40 hrs./wk) at a minimum wage ($7.50) job, you will only make $15,651 a year.

Now pull out rent, pull out tuition, books, pull out gas, and food, and clothes, hygiene materials, and "natural disaster" expenditur
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Male 525
@skine: No it doesn`t. To say it does is an ad hominem attack and a fallacy.

"Ad hominem" is Latin for "against the man." We don`t care about the "man" i.e. the person making the argument. You need to be "against the argument". Therefore, an ad hominem is an irrelevant conclusion and you`re wrong.
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Male 39,902

I know a lady who works at McDonalds.
She has a masters in business and after 3 years of unemployment she got a job as an assistant manager at McDs. She`ll never get her student loans paid of but she does get one a Big Mac free per day so at least there are benefits right.
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Male 8,530
duffytoler-"so she`s STILL part of the 99%"

There`s now such thing as the `99%`. It`s a catch phrase. They are under the mistaken impression that is sounds goods and makes a point.

duffytoler-"It`s these insanely rich making 400x what the average worker makes a year."

And you probably think that that `Rich a-hole` somehow `stole` the money from the `average worker`. And you don`t think it`s `fair`. (Life`s not fair, btw, just thought you should know)

So tell me, how did Bill Gates steal money from you? Specifically.
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Male 59
stupid bitch needs a curb stomp (reality check)
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Male 719
"The fact that she`s thirteen, in no way impacts the veracity of her argument."

No, but being too young for a work permit does disqualify her opinions.
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Male 5,194
She`s missing the point. Her "house is a little small" - so she`s STILL part of the 99%! It`s these insanely rich making 400x what the average worker makes a year, and these a-holes are trying to convince you that corporate profits are a proxy for social welfare. I CALL BS.
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Male 6,737
Good points, but doesn`t apply to allt he protesters. Some have very valid issues.
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Male 8,530
Altaru-"College is expensive."

Comunity Colleges are cheaper. You can work hard for a scholorship or work your way through college. Many do.

Altaru-"There aren`t as many great jobs for college educated people as you might think."

There are plenty of jobs for college educated people. Just don`t be under the mistaken impression that you will be making six figures immediately. (When many college grads say `there are no jobs` what they really mean is `there are no jobs worthy of me and my education`). Plus, a major in Aboriginal Macrame Potholder Weaving does not really give you any marketable skills.

MrTwidget-"No... we`re in dept because we went to school!"

That was your option to take out the loan, and now you`re upset that you actually have to pay it back. If you had been willing to actually put effort into it, you could have worked your way through college and not owe anything.
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Male 8,530
kummi90-"How can you get a college degree if you`re poor and can`t afford it? Flip burgers"

Thousands do it every year. But it takes EFFORT, and it`s much easier to protest.

kummi90-"Free secondary education for the win."

And soon it will be no better than high-school. You get what you pay for. You want it, YOU pay for it.

thubanstar-`people who DID plan their lives, worked hard and lived the American dream, and are unemployed and in dire strait"

...didn`t plan well enouogh. The `American Dream` does not promise success, just the opportunity.

Pheeshy5-"You`re 13, shut up and go to school."

And she could just as well say to you, `You`re an idiot, shut up and go away`. She seems to have a better grasp of the situation than you.
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Male 675
Because a job at Mc Donald`s can support a life independent from welfare...

Whether or not you have a job, or three even, means nothing except you work a lot. $7.60 an hour is still $7.60 an hour no matter how you look at it. You don`t earn double for having another job. You can probably earn a good $10k a year working 40 hours a week at minimum wage, which is below poverty level...

There is s nice metaphor I like to use in this situation called "Killing the anteater by starving the ants." Businesses want to make more profit, so they send jobs overseas. Well, where is their biggest market? America. You get rid of jobs here, meaning fewer people have money, so you make less money and so you get rid of more jobs to compensate. Eventually the floor falls from beneath you because no one has money to buy your product. Not a big deal if only 1 high paying company does it, but when they all do, you get the above effect. Seems to me we`re approaching fallout.
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Male 525
Alright, from this post on, next time anyone uses an ad hominem attack against this girl or anyone commenting in a non-ironic way, you`re instantly a retard.

Yes, I`m using flawed reasoning to call you a retard just as other people are using flawed reasoning to refute this girl`s claims.
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Male 171
she has a point though. Biology degree is great for working at mcdonalds.
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Male 787
Oh cool someone who refuses to see things from other peoples perspectives, jumps to conclusions, and judges people on things she has no right to. Cool.

I am a CSE major with great grades and I earned all my scholarships, but being in a low income home in a pooty neighborhood I fully understand and support the wall street protesters.
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Male 550
Get a job. Like I haven`t hear that one before. Well, I have a job and support the cause. Wait a min. . . You`re thirteen. You know nothing about life or the protest. You get all your views from what your parents tell you. You`re parents pay for everything. Go and play with your barbies and when you`re buried in debt from student loans, come talk to us.

"My mom gave up a career to raise me properly." Are you saying the people protested weren`t raised properly? Dumb bitch. lawl
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Male 525
I`d be more sympathetic to the protest if they brought out a few drums, a brass section and a string section--and performed "Red and Black" from Les Misérables.

I`m also loling at all the people who think "she`s only thirteen!" is a legitimate argument. Do you really need me to explain this to you? Ugh..fine:

The fact that she`s thirteen, in no way impacts the veracity of her argument. Attacking someone personally (ad hominem) does not count as attacking an argument.

Criticize her damn argument, instead of resorting to juvenile insults. You make yourselves look like the children.
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Male 3,369
pmarren said: "mervviscious, what the hell is wrong with working at McDonald`s?"
Actually, nothing, unless you have a mortgage anda family of four to feed, and you apply anyway and politely tell you that your overqualified. You really think they`re going to hire someone who used to make $65,000 a year for an $7.35 an hour job? yeah right.
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Female 627
regurgitating parent`s beliefs, much?
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Female 16
And biology is that much better? Why do I get the feeling that she`ll be in the same situation in a few years?

But I do agree on two things, some college degrees are useless crap that shouldn`t be taught anymore, and losers who base their lives on credit cards only to complain when they actually have to pay should rot on the streets.
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Male 55
"but she raises a few good points against the cause."

Like drating what?! "Hurr hurr, get a job, hurr?!" Gimme a drating break.
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Male 75
Instead of McDonalds, join the military, it does wonders for hippies! :)
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Male 3,310
"Bitter Women`s Studies"...is there any other kind? lol

Seriously. If she`s this bitter at 13 the road ahead is going to be marked with a lot of disappointment. I figured an adult wrote this for her until I saw the `100%` part that really didn`t make sense to include.
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Male 10,338
MrTwidget: We`re in department? What does that even mean?
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Male 322
Her daddy wrote that for her to hold. I think the key phrase here is "easier said than done". I do agree with the part about people majoring in bullsh|t then complaining about not finding work, but biology isn`t a very good contrasting example. It`s easy for people to say "get a job!" but that`s the ignorance of not knowing how hard it really is these days.
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Female 3,726
Guys she`s 13 and just regurgitating her parent`s views. Let`s move on, she`ll learn soon enough.
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Male 39,902

Yes, let`s dismiss the problem by calling the protestors hippies. That`ll solve everything.
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Female 309
God damn internet makes me hate everyone.
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Male 795
No... we`re in dept because we went to school! Enjoy paying off that $100,000 degree in a "few short years".
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Male 234
Typical bs we keep hearing in response to protesters. While yes unemployment is higher among social degrees (or no degrees), there is still high unemployment now among science majors especially computer science and engineers.
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Male 1,195
It`s easy to complain about "damn hippies" when you`re 13, never worked a day in your life and have a rich daddy who`s gonna pay for college, isn`t it, ya little brat? I`d like to see how her attitude changes when her dad gets laid off.

I don`t completely agree with this Occupy Wall Street business, but drat this kid.
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Male 3,482
As for "get a job at McDonald`s," McDonald`s is not a living wage. People can`t pay their rent, food, electricity, water, and other bills on a McDonald`s pay-check.

It might be fine for some stupid 13-year-old who`s parent actually has a nice enough job that her other parent can drop out of the work-force to become a housewife to take on a part-time job at McDonald`s to supplement her allowance, but for someone who`s out of school and living in what is commonly referred to as "the REAL world" (and not that sh*tty MTV series you probably like), it`s pretty near impossible to survive on a McDonald`s budget.

Especially with the cost of goods going up constantly, which is ANOTHER effect of Wall Street traders and other speculators deciding that they want more money.

So no, this girl raises absolutely NO good points, she`s just a sheltered little 13 year old who needs a nice dosage of reality before she metaphorically opens her mouth again.
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Male 3,894
Key point here is that you`re 13. Your political views at this point are almost entirely informed by your parents, and you`ve never actually tried to get a job.

Trust me. Even that "McDonald`s job" that you assume is automatically open for anybody who wants one, is not universally available.

Also, this girl is stupid enough to think that majoring in Biology will actually get you a job. It won`t, unless you`re using it for pre-med or something. A bio degree is pretty much just as useless as a philosophy degree (i.e. the only job you`re going to get is teaching other people Biology).

...Which you either need a degree in education (K-12) or a doctorate (college level) to be able to do, anyway.
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Female 77
"Must be nice to have a parent with a good enough job that the other can quit to be a stay at home mom."
This. Seriously. Who says you need a stay at home mom to be raised "properly"? I grew up with both parents working full time (and divorced). It taught me to entertain myself. I wouldn`t change a thing about my parents, they did a great job teaching self-reliance.
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Male 1,360
Crackrjakass it`s you! nice photoshopping btw.
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Male 3,482
There are two major problems with the "Get a college degree" argument.

1) College is expensive. If you don`t already have a fair amount of money, or weren`t an absolutely perfect student, you`re going to either spend a good portion of your life paying off the debts you`ll rack up, or you`re just not going to go.

2) There aren`t as many great jobs for college educated people as you might think. By telling people to go to college for some major or another, you`re telling thousands of people to try and take over mere dozens of jobs, which are becoming more and more "expendable" by the day. So yeah, a college degree equals neither employment nor a luxurious life.
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Male 303
Because anybodies going to take the word of a very sheltered 13 yr old seriously...
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Male 2,850
Age 13, knows everything.
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Male 356
13 and talks like she knows everything. Spoiled brat.
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Male 415
Simplicity rules! It must be nice to be able to see the world that way.
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Male 881
The answer it is so simple. It was staring them in the face the whole time. The occupiers just need to get a job. How silly of them to overlook such a simple answer. Thank God for 13 year-olds!

/sarcasm off
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Male 4,593
mervviscious, what the hell is wrong with working at McDonald`s?
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Male 1,312
Must be nice to have a parent with a good enough job that the other can quit to be a stay at home mom. You don`t understand the real world quite yet and "getting a degree" may cost a little more than you understand. You`re 13, shut up and go to school.
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Male 1,793
yeah go work at McDonalds.... fya...
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Male 1,582
I was seriously thinking of doing this same thing last week. Good to know there`s other people who are annoyed with this 99% protest.
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Male 265
Now let`s hear from those people who have higher education degrees in the sciences yet were laid off anyway. People who lost their jobs because government funding was thrown at banks instead of keeping people employed.
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Female 836
No... she really doesn`t have anything to say.

Basically it`s saying that all the horror stories I hear about people who DID plan their lives, worked hard and lived the American dream, and are unemployed and in dire straits... are silly

And we are all responsible for financial decisions made by banks and corporations that make it difficult in these times for even the most determined to find a job? I don`t think so.

Really? I mean, please. If this march was held in the `90`s when everything was rosy financially with this country, I`d chastise the "hippies" too. But I`m sure everyone on this board knows someone who had a real, working life at some point and had it destroyed by the economic meltdown.

A country that taxes its citizens and expects them to defend their country and contribute to society has to give back. It should be "one for all and all for one", not "I`ve got mine, don`t care if you get yours". We can`t hang
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Male 259
Sure, some wealthy people live within their means and do what they can to help society. But the others who don`t are screwing everyone out of house and home, even productive members of society like me (who is now employed only quarter time, on state health care, and food stamps because of wealthy people being greedy). Thanks!
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Male 196
Past is past all we can do is stop whining and get on with rebuilding.
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Male 1,623
Two animals arguing on the basis of what they believe is free will.
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Male 541
Isn`t unemployment like 9%+? How can you get a college degree if you`re poor and can`t afford it? Flip burgers for 25 years, THEN get a degree? Better make that 30 years, college in the US is expensive. Free secondary education for the win.
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Male 798
I lol`d. It`s true that all of these humanities majors whine about not having jobs when they majored in a subject whose main practitioners are college professors with a grad degree.
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Female 1,008
That`s easy to say when you`re 13 and your daddy pays for your food.

Dumb bitch.
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Male 1,620
Link: Another Side Of The Occupy Wall St. Protest [Pic] [Rate Link] - She`s not exactly a counter-protester, but she raises a few good points against the cause.
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