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Submitted by: madest 5 years ago

The Rodney Dangerfield of republicans gets a heaping dose of bias. Is this man really unelectable?
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Male 10,845
@Kalimata

No problem ;)
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Male 661
@cajun Well, I can`t recall off the top of my head an instance right now, but often, regardless of how much knowledge a foreigner has about the system, your opinion is declared null and void due to the fact that you live elsewhere. I figured I`d stick to what happened to us Canadians, and let folks take what they would from it.

Thanks though, perhaps I may dip my toe into the waters yet and give my opinion on the political race.
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Male 10,845
@Kalimata

You`d be surprised (I was) I think many foreigners understand a LOT more about our laws than many Americans do. Considering the influence we wield in the world there is certainly a huge incentive to do so. But as long as I`ve been on this forum I`ve never seen a foreigner get "shouted down" as you put it.
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Male 3,310
Yeah, it`s a big media conspiracy. The media all got together and they are the ones in control. LOL
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Male 661
I`m Canadian, and because of this, I won`t comment on the U.S. political race. Not because I have no opinion, but foreigners commenting on U.S. politics usually get shouted down. I`ll speak to experience and tell about our(past)minority government and why not having House and Senate majority for the president can be a good thing.

Bi-partisan politics go out the window. Compromise is made. Without the backing of all parties in the House, Conservative policies had to be tempered with Liberal and NDP sensibilities, (and BLOC if you care). A sort of built in check and balance. Remember, Canadians didn`t vote primarily for the leader, so to push His agenda through via majority seats didn`t reflect the bulk of Canadian sensibilities.

Perhaps Dr. Paul might make a good leader, without full power in the House and Senate. With 4 years perhaps people can learn to compromise and work together like a Republic is supposed to do, to reflect the will of it`s people.
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Male 10,845
[quote]Empire ? An empire is ran by either a monarch or an oligarchy. So am I to guess that you`re calling Obama a king ? or is that an rhetorical swipe at Wall St. ? Either way it`s erroneous and stupid.[/quote]

The Romans had an empire while they still had a Republic, as did the British when they had a parliament.

Today we got territories which we`re seemingly reluctant to grant statehood, military bases across the world mostly for secure access to oil fields, and ships patrolling waters we claim no sovereignty to. Either way you invoke the hasty generalization.
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Male 1,397
Keep chanting that mantra....and you will get the President you deserve.
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Male 7,378
CJ, You know exactly what I meant. We still have bases in Japan, Germany, and Korea. You think we`ll ever leave Iraq? or Afghanistan? The answer is no. That`s what I meant by "empire" not monarchy. As Howard Sterns father Ben used to tell Howard: "Stop being stupid you moron".
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Male 17,512
madest: [quote]Because I`d like to see an end to ... our empire.[/quote]

Empire ? An empire is ran by either a monarch or an oligarchy. So am I to guess that you`re calling Obama a king ? or is that an rhetorical swipe at Wall St. ? Either way it`s erroneous and stupid.

We are a constitutional democratically elected republic, if you insist on mocking it, as some other system, then perhaps this country isn`t fit for you and you should seek another.
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Male 10,845
[quote]How much can any President get done when there is NO hope of congressional support?[/quote]

Not a bad thing really, since he won`t push for more spending bills a lot of superfluous funding will dry up forcing Congress`s hand.
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Male 10,845
[quote]he wants fewer regulations so giant corporations could ass-rape our country without a condom.[/quote]

Too many innocuous business actions are overcriminalized, as a matter of fact the government is part of the reason why got these nefarious corporations a la FCC.

[quote]He`s a Christian fundamentalist that could be more dangerous than a war mongerer.[/quote]

Yet another gross exageration.
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Male 3,364
Huh. I thought Fox "News" was supposed to be "fair and balanced". Snicker.
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Male 7,378
[quote]And why is madest posting a pro-Ron Paul video while simultaneously calling him a lunatic?[/quote]
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Because I`d like to see an end to our wars and our empire. Crazy old man Ron is the only candidate speaking my language in that aspect. On the down side, his views on Wall St. are insane, he wants fewer regulations so giant corporations could ass-rape our country without a condom. He`s a Christian fundamentalist that could be more dangerous than a war mongerer. But I look at him as sort of a "reset" button. He is the only republican candidate that would receive cross-over votes in a general election and could be the only republican that could beat Obama.
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Male 646
He doesn`t deserve any respect. He`s insane.
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Male 116
IF I was American I would vote for this guy.

Plus, how is refraining to occupy forgein lands (and denying millions their liberty) now called `isolationist`? Perhaps anti-imperialist is a better word. The world would love the USA if you would just stop invading, terrorizing us, bombing us, and supporting the worst of the worst possible rulers over us by giving them money and advanced weapons (and crowd control materials).
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Male 10,845
[quote] Paul has said that he would pull our military out of every base around the world, leave the UN, end all foreign aid, and only defend our own borders. That sounds pretty damn isolationist to me.[/quote]

Exaggeration, should be done, should be done, umm most acceptable. No it`s called non-interventionism.

[quote]I dunno, because it`s an idiotic foreign policy?[/quote]

Which is more idiotic not intervening or intervening at every opportunity we get?
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Male 10,845
Rodney Dangerfield: cuz he gets no respect.
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Male 144
Watch this sheeple. Open your eyes, free your mind. You have been lied to by the establishment. There are people with a specific agenda conspiring for control. They want power. It`s time to take action! To take matters into your own hands! If you don`t do something now, history will repeat itself!
All you have to do is think for yourself.
Be watchful, stay vigilant.
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Male 103
aaahhhhh the illusion of choice....
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Male 254
i registered republican so i could vote for Ron Paul in the primary.
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Male 749
Sure, the media has a bias against Ron Paul, but fair or not, OCCASIONALLY biases are right. If elected, Paul would not have support from democrats OR republicans. How much can any President get done when there is NO hope of congressional support?

Love him or hate him, doesn`t matter. He can`t be successful.
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Male 759
I thought wethepeople built BMX`s
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Male 2,229
Sorry to say this but the way the United States is now Won`t be around in a couple years. Don`t Get me wrong, there will be a United States, but just won`t look like the United States of today.

It won`t matter who wins the next election, the polls have already been rigged. If you don`t make a million dallors a month, own or control a corporation, and/or secured a "cash cow" worth millions. Your vote won`t count, or a least not the way you think it will.

One can be imprisoned by the restriction of the free flow of information. Those the wish to restrict your (and others) access to information, see themselves your master. As Americans will soon see...
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Male 734
"pathetic americans thinking they actually have democracy in their country"

You`re correct, but not because of the reason you think. The U.S. is not a democracy and never was. It`s a Representative Republic. BIG difference.
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Male 734
"Assuming that is true, what`s wrong with it? You`d save billions in military spending."

I dunno, because it`s an idiotic foreign policy? It would be nice if the world was that simple, but it`s unfortunately not.
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Male 573
If we take the spending cuts Paul wants to do, there`d be nothing left of America.
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Female 2,228
Paul is like the GOP Ross Perot, or maybe Ralph Nader considering how many times he`s run. And he has just as much chance as those people did, 0.00%.

And while I`m not crazy about any GOPer, In fairness I have to say that Huntsman strikes me as the least insane among them. His statement that, "We cannot continue to be the anti science party," would`ve earned him a standing ovation even from uber Liberal me.
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Male 210
Ron Paul speaks the truth,
http://tinyurl.com/3r229df
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Male 10,440
[quote] i was saying that becasue of the first part of the message when he says "i don`t care much about Canadian politic". [/quote]
I don`t care much for canadian politics because there isn`t much that can be done. As I said, Harper is king for the next 4 years. If he starts messing things up we, unlike the US, have a system to boot him out of office.

I didn`t vote for him, and I don`t agree with him on a few things, but my situation hasn`t changed.
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Male 210
Crakr- Sigh... What exactly abt the video is crap? We all know the media has bias when it comes to Dr. Paul. I`ve explained to you b4 that he doesn`t want to legalize all drugs but give the states the power to do what they want. I think u underestimate his following when u say he can`t come up with the money. Will it be comparable to the corporation backed puppets, we`ll see but i am hopeful. And only the truly ignorant wouldn`t elect someone due to their age or whether they fit in. Hell that`s probably why he has the followers he does, he`s not the same. That`s the only reason Obama got into office, change my ass. We`re sick of the same, establishment backed puppets. We`re sick of spending money we don`t have for wars that haven`t changed things anyways. Many would argue we`re worse of now, especially considering our economy is on the decline. We need to get this country back on track and Ron Paul`s the man that can do it.
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Male 10,440
[quote] Paul has said that he would pull our military out of every base around the world, leave the UN, end all foreign aid, and only defend our own borders. That sounds pretty damn isolationist to me. [/quote]
Assuming that is true, what`s wrong with it? You`d save billions in military spending.
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Male 934
"If you don`t realize that Paul is an isolationist, then you sir are the moron."

He`s not an isolationist. He`s a non-interventionalist. An isolationist wouldn`t want to establish worldwide trade relationships like he down.
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Male 171
No, YOU, sir, are the moron!
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Male 2,440
[quote]@Pooptart19

If you don`t realize that Paul is an isolationist, then you sir are the moron.[/quote]
defiythelie, what part of "trade and be peaceful with other nations" makes one an isolationist? It is, by definition, the opposite. Get your head checked.
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Male 230
@Pooptart19

If you don`t realize that Paul is an isolationist, then you sir are the moron.
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Male 144
Watch this sheeple. Open your eyes, free your mind. You have been lied to by the establishment. There are people with a specific agenda conspiring for control. They want power. It`s time to take action! To take matters into your own hands! If you don`t do something now, history will repeat itself!
All you have to do is think for yourself.
Be watchful, stay vigilant.
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Male 21
pathetic americans thinking they actually have democracy in their country
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Male 17,512
Pooptart: Paul has said that he would pull our military out of every base around the world, leave the UN, end all foreign aid, and only defend our own borders. That sounds pretty damn isolationist to me.
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Male 208
this is the best post i`ve seen in a long time. those who don`t think that the media has an agenda, who think that it is not a tool of social engineering, you need to get your head out of the sand, and open your eyes.
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Male 7,585
Crakr, the fact that he doesnt really fit in with the rest of the party is why people outside of republican party (including myself) actually like him. He is one of the few politicians who doesnt just regurgitate what his party stands for over and over again like candidates of both parties always do.

If I were to ever vote for a republican for president it would be him.

Oh, and about his age....he is only a year older than McCain, who was the Republican candidate just 3 years ago.
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Male 2,440
There you go again, Crakr, calling Ron Paul an isolationist. You know you`re just making yourself look like a gigantic maroon, right? I guess not. Oh well. Enjoy your Hannity and O`Reilly Factor.
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Male 17,512
Aedran: [quote]why is madest posting a pro-Ron Paul video while simultaneously calling him a lunatic[/quote]

Because the democrats know that they would have an easy time defeating Ron Paul, so they are stealthily promoting his candidacy to try and derail and divide the republican party. They`d really love it if Paul ran as an independent after the conventions take place.
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Male 17,512
This video is total crap, especially after the news friday of Herman Cain winning the poll in Florida. Bachman only received 1% and she`s been trailing the last two polls and I doubt she will stay in the race past November. Gingrich, Santorum, Huntsman and Paul are not likely to raise the money needed to continue with their campaigns either.

Ron Paul`s past has came back to bite him in the ass, vis-a-vis, his insistence on making all narcotics legal and his isolationist views, that just do not fit in with the party platform.

Another problem is that Ron Paul is just too old to run against a much younger looking Barrack Obama, that may seem shallow but a youthful image is a determining factor in the way many people choose who they`ll vote for.

To sum it up, Paul is old, doesn`t have the money, and doesn`t fit in.
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Female 295
I`m confused. Why are Canadians arguing their politics here?

And why is madest posting a pro-Ron Paul video while simultaneously calling him a lunatic?
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Male 1,646
First @Crabes-Just shut up; you don`t know what you`re talking about.

Ron Paul Has more Republican views; so he can`t run left wing. The reason they refuse to announce his furthering is because stations like FOX, think he isn`t "Republican" enough to run on their side with their support. If he ran neutral, he would get No support because Americans can`t handle being in the middle. They like to fight and choose sides; even if the side they are on doesn`t exactly stand for everything they believe in. I believe Ron is on everyone`s side, and he will have my vote.
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Male 1,540
You know Ron Paul is a really popular republican vote all things considered. Polls show that Ron Paul is a close 3rd in republican favorites behind Perry and Romney. However, I don`t think he honestly has a chance.
Ron Paul should have stayed in the Libertarian party. He may have even been able to bring enough popularity to a third party that some electoral colleges could have ended up voting third party instead of demo. or repub.
It would have been a slim chance but if it happened, that would have been awesome for America.
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Male 25,416
meh.....
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Male 1,011
When it comes to Ron Paul, you may disagree or hate him for his views, but they are his views, and not some corporations view.

I respect him for that :P
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Male 771
here`s an idea.. vote for who you want, then it doesn`t matter who`s being covered or not.
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Male 1,284
@Batmanners i was saying that becasue of the first part of the message when he says "i don`t care much about Canadian politic".

I really dont support Harper. But i`m happy for you that you can take money from education, hospital and families so you can play with your new millions of dollars toys(jets)
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Male 171
If you`re waiting on a politician you`re going to 100% agree with, you`ll be waiting forever. This guy (If he holds true to what he`s been saying) is our best bet, IMO. He has his own religious views, but they don`t seem to influence his politics. He voted for the repeal of don`t ask don`t tell, and he supports same sex marriage. Also, he said his biggest reason for being anti abortion is because he witnessed a late term abortion in which he saw, "... a two and a half pound baby taken out crying and breathing and put in a bucket." Yeah, I`d have a problem with that too. He might be a little whacko, but then again, who isn`t? I think it makes him look a hell of a lot more honest than some fake ass, lying politician.
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Male 4,004
"as i can see your just a mindless voter"

A mindless voter? Have you considered that maybe Harper had more to offer him than voting for the dead guy? I`m in the military, why would I have voted for Jack Layton? His plans would have stunted the growth our military so desperately needs, as well as stop me from making more money. I hate to say that I was bribed, but Layton didn`t even offer me a penny, while Harper gave me a new jet.

Do I agree with everything Harper does and do I think he`s a good Prime minister? No.
Is he a hell of a lot better than Layton and his empty treatcherous promises? Yes.

Harper offered more to more people. Layton liked to talk.
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Male 37,888

Oh, I agree U.S. politics are messed up. It`s fundamentally corrupt from the top down now that corporations are legally "people". Politicians are bought and sold on the open market now.

I`m just sayin the rest of the world has little room to criticize our political system when their own house is melling a bit fishy, too.
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Male 234
It`s infuriating that `news` has given so much opinion and bias during elections that they ultimately influence who gets elected. If they keep saying Ron Paul can`t win than some people won`t vote for him b/c they dont wanna throw their vote away.
My opinion on who wins though...Bachmann is showing how crazy and idiotic she really is no chance. Perry is coming down of a god start, terrible debate performance he won`t pull through the whole way. Cain is doing ok, but people won`t elect someone with no experience. My fav. huntsman won`t win b/c he believes in evolution and global warming, conservatives hate that. Gov. Johnson is climbing, still at 1%, not sure if he can pass Bachman if he isn`t even given talking time. No one likes newt, shut down the govt. under clinton, mess of prob. in his background. So I`m thinking Romney or Paul, depends if people are superficial and gullible to believe media bs, i think so, then it`s Romney. If ppl are smarter than Paul.
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Male 2,440
Immediately after the Fox/Google Republican debate recently, Sean Hannity (Neocon douche) had Frank Luntz`s "Focus Group" give their thoughts on who they (the selected group) think won the debate. If you`re wondering who Frank Luntz is and why he`s such a manipulative scumbag, watch this.
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Male 1,284
"The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" -Gil Scott-Heron

where is the USA reset button?
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Male 210
"the man who reads nothing at all is better educated then the man who reads nothing but newspapers" -Thomas Jefferson.

Please acknowledge the fact that our population is intentionally dumbed down, brainwashed and conditioned into hyper religous, bigot, radical nationalists that worship the military like a god like entity.

There was a place before that this took place, NAZI GERMANY.

It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting the brushfires of FREEDOM in the minds of men. -Samuel Jackson

Please Amaerica, wake up and vote for the one person who gives a damn. The only true patriot and a real REfounding father of America.
RON PAUL 2012!!!!!!!!

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Male 4,547
"The guy is a bigot masquerading as a "libertarian" and in his case it`s more about the liberty for corporations to pollute, discriminate and coerce, the liberty for states to discriminate, MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL, MAKE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE ILLEGAL and do whatever the drat they want."

You`re being ideologically inconsistent there.

Currently:
1) Gay marriage: Illegal.
2) Abortion: Legal.

His position "It`s a state rights issue", somehow means he is opposed to one, but for the other? It undermines the current setup, which means if anything it makes gay marriage easier for states to enact, and makes abortion easier for states to restrict.

It`s not an issue of what he`s for and against. Motive-speculation aside, he is indistinguishable from a libertarian.
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Male 2,630
I don`t know why folks would be surprised about political manipulation of the media. Perhaps we just see it a bit clearer in places like North Korea or Myanmar.
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Male 7,378
You`re right gbrzeatetee. Lunatic. But sadly he`s the only candidate that has pledged to end the wars. I find myself almost willing to vote lunatic for a bit of sanity.
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Male 174
Unelectable? Well, hopefully. The guy is a bigot masquerading as a "libertarian" and in his case it`s more about the liberty for corporations to pollute, discriminate and coerce, the liberty for states to discriminate, MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL, MAKE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE ILLEGAL and do whatever the drat they want.

The guy is a lunatic. He`s a creationist ffs. He got a biology degree 54 years ago but somehow doesn`t recognize the validity of the theory of evolution, although he`s flip-flopped a couple of times about it in recent years.
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Male 4,547
Deleting old post, reposting figures:

Who says Ron Paul can`t win?

Polling vs Obama, nobody outside of the Republican base will vote for Bachmann. Nobody. (Obama has a 14% lead).

Perry similarly, but not as bad (Obama 8% lead).
Palin similarly (Obama 11% lead).
etc.

Romney and Obama are polling neck and neck, because he`s a candidate acceptable to independent and democrat voters. Romney is losing ground on the Republican primaries to the crazies.

So lets look at the candidates in a general election, in order (%s are % behind Obama).
Winning:
"General Republican Candidate", -0.5%.
Obama, 0%.
Romney, 3%
Paul, 3.3%

Next best candidate:
Perry, 8%
Huntsman, 9%
Cain, 10%
Palin, 11.2%
Santorum, 14%
Bachmann, 14.5%
Gingrich, 15.2%
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Male 1,284
@Gerry1of1 i`m sorry for lazy`s saying. We do have same problems here in Canada.
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Male 1,284
- I don`t really care about Canadian politics. Things are stable now that Harper is king. -LazyMe484

as i can see your just a mindless voter
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Male 1,399
The Hermanator!
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Male 4,547
For the general election, it`s a two horse race.

If Bachmann or Perry win the primaries, and we hold the election this week, Obama wins.

If Romney or Paul wins the primary, it`s a race.

(Yes FOX watchers, there was that one FOX segment that said the Republican candidates were all closer. Dem ratings were down 4%, and Reps up 1% at that point to what they are currently).

Incidentally, even with all the below numbers, people dislike Obama enough that "Generic Republican Candidate" beats Obama by 0.5%. "Generic Republican candidate" beats all actual candidates solidly.

As soon as you name the candidate though, the general populace goes "Oh... drat that, no".
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Male 10,440
[quote] We`re crazy? [/quote]
That`s not what I said.
[quote] And Canada doesn`t have any douchebags aye?
[/quote]
- Douchebags are another matter entirely, and we do, but I don`t care
- Do we have crazy politicians? Sort of, but they can`t hold a candle to yours.
- I don`t really care about Canadian politics. Things are stable now that Harper is king.
[quote] Canadian Political Ad [/quote]
I have never seen that video and I highly doubt that was an actual campaign ad at any point.

...but it was very funny. So thanks! Why not post that instead?
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Male 37,888

@ LazyMe484... excuse me? We`re crazy? And Canada doesn`t have any douchebags aye?

Canadian Political Ad
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Male 10,440
[quote] The question is why. A question not answered in this video. [/quote]
In the video Ron said that he was a threat to bankers, the media etc. so I guess there`s your answer.
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Male 37,888

Old news. We all know the media has de-selected Ron Paul.
The question is why. A question not answered in this video.
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Male 10,440
Wow your politics are so messed up I can`t even begin to keep up.

Your media on the other hand is a predictable pile of crap. WHY do you keep bringing up FN?
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Male 4,004
Yes, because all smart politically minded people get their news from FOX News. These 6+ minutes were 95% FOX News clips, and as far as I know, anyone who gets their political information from FOX News, clearly has no idea what these people are talking about, so they assume the media is right.

And this bias has been going on for MUCH longer than Ron Paul, it`s the reason Bush Jr. was voted President, it`s the reason Obama had such a hard time against an idiot older than death. It`s not about what the people think, it`s about what the people are told, and they are only told what benefits them the most. Of course, if you actually follow political debates and such, you shouldn`t be affected by the media bias, but in the end, the stupid mindless voters are the ones you have to convince.
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Male 1,284
we should stop watching tv and go meet the participant in person
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Male 7,378
Link: Top Tier? [Rate Link] - The Rodney Dangerfield of republicans gets a heaping dose of bias. Is this man really unelectable?
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