Rick Perry Had An Innocent Man Executed

Submitted by: Sachi001 6 years ago in

As a Native Born Texan, this man just disgusts me.
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Male 4,290
Are you sure that`s what it said CJ? Because you read the last graph wrong.
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Male 17,512
almightybob: According to the same report I got the graph from, 94% of all homicides against whites are committed by whites, 97% of all homicides against blacks are committed by blacks, there is a small amount of black-white crossover, and those crimes get a lot of publicity, but it`s a rarity statistically speaking.
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Male 4,290
[quote]@almightybob1-Blacks are more likely to be murdered,by who?Of all the races, WHO is more likely to murder blacks?M-M-M-m-m-maybe blacks?[/quote]
If that`s based off any statistics, feel free to provide them (just check they actually back up what you`re saying). If it isn`t, then it holds absolutely no value whatsoever. I could equally say "M-M-M-m-m-maybe whites?". At least I can point to the KKK to back that up.
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Male 283
I personally think the government should execute whoever they see fit. Even better, if the majority of people agree that someone should die, kill `em. I think any government that isn`t affraid to kill its citizens is simply pussified and not worth tax dollars! Many great governments have been criticized for overly aggressive death penalty laws, but look what they`ve been able to do with all the tax dollars they saved by not housing criminals. Saddam Hussein got a golden pallace! Kim Jong Il got a bunch of Elvis memorabilia! Hitler got his own ROCKETSHIP! I want a rocketship too, I just don`t know who to kill to get it. Any ideas? BTW, has anyone seen Kyle? He`s about this tall...
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Male 661
Holy crap people, read the article and read about Cameron Todd Willingham. He was about to be proven innocent when good ole Gov fired the investigators compiling the report proving his innocence. Then appeals for clemency were personally denied by ole Gov here, even though there was a very sizable "reasonable doubt". Through legal bungling, and incompetence, an innocent man was murdered. Not executed, but murdered. I say if it`s good for the Goose...

Oh BTW @robosnitz; Unless you can provide definitive proof, a M-M-M-m-m-maybe is not a legitimate retort.
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Male 2,737
@almightybob1-Blacks are more likely to be murdered,by who?Of all the races, WHO is more likely to murder blacks?M-M-M-m-m-maybe blacks?
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Male 4,290
[quote]Blacks are seven times more likely to murder someone then whites according to the US DOJ. That`s not racism, that`s just demographic facts.[/quote]

CJ, read the title of the graph you just linked.



"Homicide victimization" means it is an analysis of the victims, not the perpetrators.
The graph is actually saying that blacks are more likely to BE MURDERED. Not more likely to murder.
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Male 254
i don`t get it where`s the innocent guy? this is just a dumbass texan saying dumbass things, with a dumbass audience clapping.
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Male 15,183
Why stop with the guilty?
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Male 10,855
Final post for now
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Male 10,855
I gotta go to bed.

See y`all next time.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Capital punishment is necessary[/quote]

No it isn`t, it`s fu<king Russian Roullette. Life without parole is a better alternative. Too many people have been sent to death row because of some bat5h17 overzealous prosecutor. That`s NOT tough on crime it`s tough on people. The Cameron Todd Willingham illustrated it perfectly. Quite frankly a posthumous pardon is the GREATEST insult to injury ANYONE can give, yet ironically it`s the best they can do.
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Male 10,855
[quote">Rick Perry Had An Innocent Man Executed[/quote">

Actually in the State of Texas theres this pesky agency that can prevent him from intervening.

Ironically a lot of murderers (not serial killers) get paroled. Some without even seeing a day prison so I`ve heard.


Here`s some stats from my own government.

IF the defendant pleads guilty to any of these crimes they get life without parole, otherwise if they convicted then, well, the title says it all.
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Male 1,586
Ummmmm did I miss something? When did they actually say that he executed an innocent man? It sounded like they were saying what if you killed an innocent man.
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Male 4,902
@sssfdg, Aint you done heard of the Old Testament boy?


Stereotypes are fun huh
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Male 14,331
[quote]Ship all the politicians to Texas and do what y`all do best.[/quote]

LOL Gerry1of1 for president!! I`ll take vice pres. if ya need a seat filled.
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Male 977
who came up with that title? complete bullpoo
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Male 190
I always find it funny that an over whelming Christian state (Texas) can be so proud of killing people... innocent or not... it is just not what Jesus taught.
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Male 4,593
"Easy come, easy go..."
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Male 1,832
Capital punishment is necessary, but for drat`s sake, don`t applaud it. Also, the title of this was incredibly deceiving.
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Male 10,855
@Sachi001

As a native born Texan I ask you: why does your profile say "Asian"?
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Male 17,512
Mr_Pedo_Bear: [quote]My point about UAE is it`s still be liberalised and brought up to international standards.[/quote]

Personal liquor licenses and Lashings as punishment are `up to international standards` in your eyes ?

[quote]death penalty, sentence lengths and conviction rates tend to depend on your race as much as anything else[/quote]

Compared with the actual crime demographics by race they are right on par. Blacks are seven times more likely to murder someone then whites according to the US DOJ. That`s not racism, that`s just demographic facts.



[quote]contraceptive turns you into a mass murderer then..[/quote]

How so ? I stated life began when chromosomes paired up and divided (inside the egg), That`s a lot different than what you seem to be saying. Sperm alone can`t trade chromosomes with one another, Your logic fails.
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Male 1,737
Look at that jaw line, he could pull the switch every time and still sleep like a baby.
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Male 1,360
come on texas! You can still beat those damn chinese or afghans or any other great country that uses the death penalty
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Male 997
@Crakrjak My point about UAE is it`s still be liberalised and brought up to international standards. Does America work on improving there`s? With a multitude of evidence out there that death penalty, sentence lengths and conviction rates tend to depend on your race as much as anything else. Yet you saw fit to mention glass houses comment to Bal who made a genuine critique of your system you use a reductio ad absurdum and race to not argue but try and instil an emotional response lacking logic.

I`m not a catholic, you told someone a foetus is a life as birth makes it so. I`m saying the exact same thing of sperm. Your argument fails as where do you stop? Abortion kills one life, contraceptive turns you into a mass murderer then....
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Male 420
The fact that the audience applauded at the news that he`d overseen over 200 executions says it all really.
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Male 625
Like Jon Stewart said, what`s most disturbing, is the frantic applause after the statement that Texas executes the most inmates in the US.... WTF?!
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Male 17,512
If you don`t believe me, Read this, about halfway down the page.
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Male 17,512
Mr_Pedo_Bear: Your `condom` condemnation, pun intended, sounds like it`s being uttered by a Catholic nun. Sorry but I`m protestant, so if that was an attempt at a guilt trip you missed the mark by a mile.

As for my remark to Baal I specified his `region` not his country, but even then the laws vary within each `emirate` within his country, it`s true the UAE, as a whole, is more liberal than some countries in the region, but `liberal` in their eyes still restrictive in western eyes.

For instance a visitor to the UAE needs to have a personal liquor license to drink alcohol there and if you get drunk, at all, you could face large fines and imprisonment. Any muslims caught drinking faces lashings. A trace amount of marijuana could lead to the death penalty, even possessing some prescription medicines could get you arrested.
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Male 4,902
@ledzeppeloyd

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Male 1,093
listen closely, he pronounce the "h" in "when" at 1:18. Just for that, he got my vote.
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Male 4,902
@Serpentchick, just from reading your profile I can tell you, you wouldn`t last long anyway, so stay the f*ck out.
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Male 15,832
[quote]if i ever meet anybody that votes for him i will kick him in the balls[/quote]
I`d return the favor, if you had any.
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Male 39,556

sethmccary [quote]"Some people just don`t deserve to live." [/quote]
I agree 100%
They`re called politicians.
Ship all the politicians to Texas and do what y`all do best.
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Male 208
"What if it was your husband that was killed for a crime he did not commit?"

What if it was your husband that was murdered? Or your kids? I would want to execute the person myself.
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Male 208
Perry For President! I`m a proud Texan, and I believe the death penalty is necessary. Some people just don`t deserve to live.
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Male 678
thecupholder, you`re dumb and ignorant. I`m sure I`m not the first one to tell you, though.
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Male 4,850
Rick Perry reminds me of the evil President in The Dead Zone.
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Male 2,384
if i ever meet anybody that votes for him i will kick him in the balls
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Female 379
What about when you kill someone innocent? What is that worth? How about for the people that had to follow through with the execution, when they learn the man THEY killed, was innocent. how do you think THEY feel for the REST of their lives. What if it was your husband that was killed for a crime he did not commit?
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Female 105
Ah just good Americans respecting the ancient law of Hamurabi. Don`t know why anyone would be upset about it. Execution has been highly evolving the last few centuries to more modern and humane ways to bite the dust. And many executions are NOT open to public.. theres a lot more to it then the lot of people thinking that killing is bad. I`m not sure about you guys but I`d rather see them kick the dust in a timely manner than sit up to another 40 years eating up my paycheck to pay for them to still breathe my air everyday with blood on their hands.
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Male 749
Aside from the fact that the title of this post is misleading, Perry is correct that there is a large portion of Americans that support the death penalty. The "one innocent execution is too many" argument doesn`t seem to work with most people. This is not a topic that can be effectively argued. You`re pretty much on one side or the other, and arguments devolve into "the other side is full of evil people". So unless you enjoy ad hominem attacks, lets move on.
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Female 379
that could be simplified by just saying "don`t live in texas" lord knows I never want to go there
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Male 606
Dont like it... Dont kill pplz!!... Still dont like it?... Move the f*k outa Texas!!... Still dont like it... Go F*k urself!
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Male 1,268
"i bet none of those executions were public."

Information media makes public executions unnecessary. Thanks to the 24 hour news channel and the internet, everyone knows Texas is NOT the state you want to kill a cop in. No need to see the results first hand when everyone tells you what they`ll be.
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Male 142
i bet none of those executions were public. that is the flaw with the death penalty. it wasn`t designed as a punishment for the crime, it was designed to cause fear and show people what will happen when they do said crime.
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Male 1,268
The death penalty (be it in prisons or "inside the womb") is good for society.
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Male 3,482
[quote]100 yrs ago we did not debate such trivial matters, firing squad or hanging and it was over after the judge left town. Bet that would make a few people think before they did a murder.[/quote]
100 years ago people were being lynched in the streets because a crime had been committed and they were of a different skin color.

If anything, THAT kind of "justice" would lead criminals to get smart and start planting more evidence to get innocent people convicted of THEIR crimes while THEY walk off to commit another.

You`re a moron.
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Male 3,482
[quote]So you that are opposed to the death penalty, this guy deserves to be locked in a prison while a portion of tax payer money goes to provide him 3 meals a day and a bed?[/quote]
For starters: how much have all his appeals cost over the course of the last ten years?

Second: Looking this guy up...

The co-defendant (name: Marcus Rhodes. Looked him up too.) actually took the blame for both murders, and proceeded to get life in prison.

The only piece of (supposed) physical evidence linking Woods to the crime was a latex glove that supposedly had his DNA on it. Not only was the glove mishandled by investigators, but his DNA was, in fact, NOT on it. The glove was struck from the record entirely by the judge to avoid the embarrassment.

So, you support killing this man based on hype and potentially bad justice, while his co-defendant (who later on proceeded to kill YET ANOTHER person) gets life?
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Male 382
I think the death penalty should be administered to the accused in the same manner that the victims were killed. Why waste tax dollars kepping these bastards alive and fed for the rest of their lives? And it is on the consience of the judge , Not the politician to deal with. Wait till it is one of your family that gets killed and see how you feel. Hmmm Maybe they were innocent, Screw it. The legal system has done it`s job, now lets get on with the execution. 100 yrs ago we did not debate such trivial matters, firing squad or hanging and it was over after the judge left town. Bet that would make a few people think before they did a murder. Instead of , Oh well, I just have to spent 25 yrs in jail and have a roof over my head and someone to cook my meals and do my laundry. You bleeding heart liberals need to wake up.
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Male 283
One flaw immediately evident is that the justice system works as effectively at child muder as it does on anything else and there have been people who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. That`s inevitable, but it should not be acceptable for any holder of public office to not be bothered at executing innocents . A similar thought might be: "Since most of the money the Army gets is spent properly, then we should not feel bad about loosing a pallette full of millions of dollars worth of American cash. It just happens sometimes, but I do not think the Army should improve in any way." Just because you stand behind and are proud of an organization does not mean you should ignore faults. Boo-Yaa!
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Male 1,313
And now were side tracked once again to abortion and religions... or the lack there of...
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Female 751
I didn`t hear anything about an INNOCENT person being executed...... O.o
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Male 237
This is straight from the TDCJ (Texas Department of Criminal Justice) website about a guy that is scheduled to be executed tomorrow.

"On 05/02/2001, in The Colony, Texas, (Steven Michael) Woods and 1 co-defendant used a 380 caliber pistol, a 45 caliber pistol, and a knife to kill a 21 year old white male victim by shooting the victim 6 times in the head and cutting his neck 4 times. A 19 year old white female victim was also killed by receiving 2 shots to the head, 1 shot in the knee, and cutting her throat. Woods and the co-defendant took property from the victims which included their car keys, backpacks, a cell phone and other personal items."

So you that are opposed to the death penalty, this guy deserves to be locked in a prison while a portion of tax payer money goes to provide him 3 meals a day and a bed?
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Male 997
And CrakrJak Look up the UAE legal system for yourself don`t just assume it`s evil because it`s sharia law. It`s alongside civil law jurisdiction and is liberal compared to some other arab states. And to say it just instantly means hands will be cut off is drating racist
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Male 997
@Crackrjack
"LazyMe: No, because a fetus is not a person


Says a person that was a fetus and survived to be born. You do realize that your genetic makeup and all that you have became started when your parents chromosomes combined and then began to divide right ? Every physical characteristic and ability you have was initiated right then, at conception. You didn`t just suddenly pop out of your mom`s vagina and viola now you`re human just because you survived through birth, it goes all the way back to 9 months before that day. "

How many babies and humans have you killed Crakrjak when you`ve come into a condom or tissue and not into a woman. I mean you were a sperm that survived into a foetus that survived into a human.
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Male 946
I don`t hate Mexicans. I hate that they`re pouring into our country illegally. And in point of fact, they are taking the jobs that Americans would do i.e. restaraunt, construction, landscaping, etc. As to your candlelight vigil, I mistook it to mean that this was how you were protesting the war, not honoring their memory. My apologies. To that I say, "I commend you". However, I`m not going to get drawn into a debate over every failed program out there and the causes for all of them. I don`t have the time but I will say this. For the past forty years, I`ve watched this country go from great to very troubled and I`ve watched social programs go from useful to very abused and the gov`t just throws more money at them. I`m tired of seeing it happen but I`m even more tired of liberals saying it`s conservative`s fault.
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Female 379
it wasn`t liberals that changed the subject..I don`t know how to quote in here, but gary8162 was the first to say "In truth, all conservatives are for limited government whereas liberals seem to think we need as much government intrusion as possible because we`re too stupid to take care of ourselves. I will admit conservatives tend to quote the bible to justify way too much (i.e. gay marriage) but it doesn`t mean everything they stand for is wrong. "
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Male 525
CrakrJak, you seem to be an effective and solid arguer--I find that reading most comment threads where you post ends with people calling you names and your statements unrefuted.

I can`t wait for there to be an abortion article posted so you can be my intellectual adversary. :)
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Male 2,085
Where we go with the leftist attacks. I really don`t know how anyone could possibly support our idiot president.
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Male 525
CrakrJak, you`ve got BALLS to criticize Baalthazaq`s sharia law. A lot of people in the Western world know it`s bad--very few have the guts to actually say it for fear of sounding politically incorrect.

Ok, yes; you were using Ad Hominem Tu Quoque fallacy--but to be fair, he started it. Respond to fallacies with fallacies, I guess. :)

CrakrJak, do you realize that this is a comment thread about Rick Perry and the death penalty--right? It seems that the liberals have already won since they managed to divert your attention away to talking about abortion, the budget and the postal service. Don`t fall victim to the liberals` context-dropping and diversion--call red herring fallacy and move on.
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Male 17,512
madest: [quote]The postal service is a government invention (explicitly authorized by the US Constitution) that hasn`t been taxpayer funded since 1971.[/quote]

BULLSH|T it hasn`t !

President Obama`s proposed 2012 budget doesn`t say anything about raising stamp prices, ending Saturday mail deliveries or closing post offices, but it tries to remedy the U.S. Postal Service`s perilous financial condition by recommending about $11 billion in relief. - Washington Post February 15, 2011

And that is not the first time the USPS has been bailed out, Plus the USPS does receive an annual appropriation of about $100 million per year and the USPS borrows $3 billion dollars yearly from the U.S. Treasury via the Federal Financing Bank.

You better work on getting your facts straight there again madest.
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Male 73
I wasn`t really worried about the election before now, but let me just say that Perry scares the crap out of me. He has just the right brand of crazy to attract voters, and just the right brand of crazy to either start WWIII, or further destroy the economy, or erode civil rights, or whatever. Seriously, he publicly supports taking away some of our most critical Constitutional amendments...conservative, I can handle...whacko nut job, not so good for the country. I already moved out of the US; if this guy wins, maybe its time to stop visiting, too.
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Female 379
don`t forget roads, firefighters, cops (ok, so that needs some work too, but on the most part it works)
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Male 7,378
[quote]Government does very little well, the postal service is nearly bankrupt, as are many other government services.[/quote]
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The postal service is a government invention (explicitly authorized by the US Constitution) that hasn`t been taxpayer funded since 1971. It`s downfall is tied directly to the internet, another US government invention. There`s plenty of successful government programs if you took your head outta Limbaughs ass for a minute and thought about it. National Security, Infrastructure, Space Exploration, Education, National Institute of Health, Social Security, Medicare and even Justice outside of Texas.
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Female 379
oh, so every time a woman has a miscarries, she murdered someone? even if it was the first couple weeks, and wouldn`t even be noticed to be any different? OH, and sperm are people too? what about eggs? They`re just people that haven`t been fertilized. does that mean that, since I`m 22 and haven`t had any kids, I`ve murdered DOZENS of people? At the point where abortion is possible, they aren`t fully formed people. They don`t think and feel yet. In a world where women wouldn`t be killed by their parents for getting pregnant after being raped, and it won`t negatively affect her life forever, then there shouldn`t be abortion. As it is, they are not yet people.
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Male 17,512
Baal: The penal system in America is far better than the Sharia law system of your religion, where hands are chopped off and rape victims are stoned to death.

Don`t start throwing stones when your region lives in a glass house.
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Male 17,512
LazyMe: [quote]No, because a fetus is not a person[/quote]

Says a person that was a fetus and survived to be born. You do realize that your genetic makeup and all that you have became started when your parents chromosomes combined and then began to divide right ? Every physical characteristic and ability you have was initiated right then, at conception. You didn`t just suddenly pop out of your mom`s vagina and viola now you`re human just because you survived through birth, it goes all the way back to 9 months before that day.
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Male 4,546
"There are far more hardened criminals out among us, right now, than innocent people in prison."

You imprison more of your population than any other country on earth.

Yet you make claims of being the leader of the free world, and call yourself personally, against big government.

Never, ever, say the words big government again, unless it`s to affirm your error when wanting more people put away and imprisoned by the same government.

You have NO problem with size, you only have problem with it doing things you don`t want them to do, and have infinite tolerance of it growing and trampling over the rights of others.
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Female 379
...the candlelight vigil was to HONOR THE LIVES LOST. DUH. and without the mexican workers you hate OH SO MUCH, that get paid CRAP and are not taking jobs that regular americans would ever do, our economy would fall apart even faster. Don`t forget that it was conservatives that think that our teachers are getting paid TOO MUCH. They even get HEALTH CARE *gasp*.
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Male 946
Candlelight vigil? And did that work? No. Look, bottom line is this. Social programs are passed with good intentions and the lazy people these programs are designed to help abuse the crap out of them because there isn`t any accountability built into them...and they know it and take advantage of it. Our public education system has been a joke for forty years ever since bussing (another great liberal idea) was implemented. When that didn`t work, the government tried dumbing down testing so more kids could pass. That also didn`t work. Meanwhile, We have illegal immigrants crossing our borders by the thousands every day putting even more strain on the system. But that`s ok because you guys finally get to have your wish. Congratulations. Welcome to the United States of America. The newest third world country. Or should I say the United States of Mexico.
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Male 10,440
[quote] If you do then your a hypocrite. [/quote]
No, because a fetus is not a person, you... knob.
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Male 10,440
Of course you realize that the moment that you execute a single innocent person, you all become murderers.

...have you already?

Wow what an ass backward system. I would be reluctant to go there on vacation. No, that`s not quite right... I would be reluctant to go there under any circumstances.
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Female 379
wow, dismissed because of my age. Seriously? I`m about as pessimistic about people as I can get. I`ve had someone drive by screaming "1000 more!" when we were having a candle light vigil for the 1000 soldiers dead in the iraq war. I live in the bay area, where I see homeless people every time I go out. I graduated from college. I think I know a bit about the world, and considering the fact that I`m the current generation, My opinion might be even MORE valid than yours.

And trust me, the paying for the banks was NOT a liberal thing. I`m a bit pissed off at obama for some of the very NOT liberal things he`s done, but it`s all because you guys won`t even discuss options.
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Male 1,284
there was a breach in the capitalism system in 2008, gouvernment shouldnt have paid for the dieing banks and companies, it was the socialist way to do it.
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Male 946
I appreciate your passion serpentchick but your youth tells me your still a dreamer. So was I at your age but I very quickly became a realist. We all would like to live in a better world but it is naive to think passing social programs left and right is the answer. Do I know the answer? No. Do I know what got us here? Yes. Passing social programs then patting ourselves on the back while walking away leaving it un-attended like a child raising itself.
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Male 946
and if that foot has gangrene?
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Female 379
you`re right, the govenment problems DO need to be fixed, but not by just shutting them down. That`s like saying you`ve got a broken foot, just cut off the damn thing. You fix it. You make laws so that money doesn`t speak so loudly, and you fix things. Unless you really think the "free market" is such a good idea. You know, monopolies where everyone gets paid what they do in sweat shops.
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Male 1,284
bout the commandment of not killing, usually people dont know that but its told to not kill except if asked by an authority of the church
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Male 946
Serpentchick:
You know every social program out there was passed with good intentions but human nature being what it is, they all got perverted into something "other" than it`s original intent...and as anyone can tell you, the hardest thing to do is to shut down a program once it has begun. You liberals tend to live in your dream world and hope everything turns out for the better when in fact, it makes things worse. But that`s ok. Just blame it on the conservatives `cause we wouldn`t play fair.
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Male 17,512
Serpentchick: Government does very little well, the postal service is nearly bankrupt, as are many other government services. Sorry, but liberals still give less money and less time, no matter how you slice it.
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Male 17,512
Klamz & serpentchick: Do either of you support abortion right ? If you do then your a hypocrite.

Many more thousands of children are aborted every year than criminals die on death row, if you don`t think that`s a crime, killing innocent unborn children, then your much sicker than Rick Perry has ever thought of being.
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Female 379
and as for your proof, CJ. Did you ever think that maybe it`s because we think that it`d be better for the government to do it, for the same reason anyone shops at costco - stuff in bulk is cheaper. We can pay less and achieve the same goals if we set up a good program, that uses money efficiently. That, and we don`t want to treat the symptom as much as we want to treat the cause. Homelessness and other problems with society are caused by breakdowns in society, in how we treat people. This needs to be fixed on a higher level than just donating cans of food. There need to be social programs that get people jobs, and unions to make those jobs safe. There needs to be health insurance so that people with medical issues, including psychological ones, can get help. That would solve our problems more than donating a few bucks.
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Male 234
For proof of innocence, before his execution investigators cited faulty evidence that was used to determine that the cause of fire was arson. Perry did not look at this evidence, and believed that it would have been mentioned at trial. After the execution every investigator determined that this was not a case of arson, and even Texas investigators determined that faulty methods were used to prove arson occurred. Also of note two days before the review board looked at the case again Perry had several members replaced. Despite their conclusion that the evidence was lacking to determine the fire was caused by arson, they found no fault for police or prosecutors.
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Male 25,417
Ummm.... ok!
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Female 379
Don`t forget the commandment about...what was it again..oh, right NOT killing people. Last I checked the word "commandment" was not synonymous with "suggestions". Then Jesus wasn`t exactly a kill em all dude...I thought Texas was supposed to be like ridiculously christian. At least, that`s what the politicians that come from there always talk about. I suppose it`s more of a "christian" than actually christian state, then, eh? "christian" in name, only. Lots of "christians" are.
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Male 688
Anyone who supports a death penalty cannot be considered a good person. Regardless of what the criminal may have done, by supporting execution you support murder and no good person would EVER support killing someone.

Go back to your ape world & let your nature come out completely, I hear Somalia a nice place to get started at being an animal.
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Female 379
except that it is this very country that gave them the opportunity to earn what they did. The public education system giving them workers. Medicine giving them HEALTHY workers. Roads giving their workers ways to get to work, and ways to ship their products. Water qualities to make a lot of products. Laws to prevent the stealing of products. Laws to PREVENT monopolies so that other companies can make money. Copyright laws, etc. Protection that people wont bomb the crap out of them. Power lines. Police to keep criminals in prison. Welfare for the people that wouldn`t even have made it - there are some people that did actually go from rags to riches. Not to mention military to protect the country. I could go on..
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Male 17,512
madest: And what about the millions of career criminals that are walking free right now ? There are far more hardened criminals out among us, right now, than innocent people in prison.
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Male 525
...that`s the liberals` best weapon: context-dropping and red herrings.
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Male 525
Serpentchick: By what right do the liberals think the government should provide those things? By what standard? You say that the principle is that there are going to be people to help; if people are there help, why do we need the government to force those people. Truth is, liberalism isn`t about helping other people: it`s about FORCING other people to give what they earned to those who did not earn it.

Most liberals today say that this standard is "need." i.e. "need" gives the government the right to hold the productive members of our society at the point of a gun to force them to relinquish their hard-earned wealth.

There is no objective standard for "need" and "who`s needier than whom". I reject the idea that the producers of our society need to be sacrificial animals.

That`s my little off-topic rant, anyway. What were we talking about?

What? The death penalty? How did we digress this much?

I think..
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Male 2,586
Did I miss something? - the caption said he had an innocent man executed... but all that was said in that video was that texas is cool with executions?! - I was expecting the commentator to say "what do you make of (some guy) that was later found to be innocent and YOU executed him?"...
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Male 17,512
serpentchick: You want proof ? Fine. Link 1 Link 2
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Male 208
Hey, First off, there is no proof he was innocent, He was found guilty because there was proof he was guilty.

I am sorry liberals, maybe you would like to bring in a baby killing child molester or cop killer into your home where you can hippy him into a productive member of society.
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Female 379
crakr - proof?
Or, is it that you think that everyone who is religious is conservative - wrong
and do you take into account the fact that most of the ridiculously rich people are republican?
Also, I just said that there will always be greedy people. Most of us liberals don`t want communism, we want utilitarianism, where laws help the MOST people. you know, instead of just the WEALTHIEST people.
also - not EVERYONE who is liberal has to shout HEY LOOK I`M GIVING MONIES, SO PRAISE MEEEE!!!!, so I`m not sure where you get your data.

That, and it also depends on what you think is "virtue", are you talking about the ones that give money to shut down planned parenthood, and support abstinence only programs as "virtuous"?
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Male 7,378
Killing the criminals is the only way to have empathy for the victims? Logic fail. If just 1% of all incarcerated people are indeed innocent that means we have 20,000 innocents behind bars.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Liberals would rather see that everyone suffer equally under a communist style regime[/quote]
Oh you do make me laugh CJ. Sometimes you`re like a caricature.
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Male 244
We need a tough guy in the white house; currently we are have a wuss at the helm
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Male 17,512
Serpentchick: And you don`t think liberals are and can be greedy as well ? Let`s take a look at who demographically actually rewards virtue in America, Ah that`s right, the conservatives do. Conservatives not only give more of their hard earned dollars to charities they actually volunteer more of their time as well.

Liberals would rather see that everyone suffer equally under a communist style regime, but even in those regimes there is always greed.
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Male 4,290
Here`s something they should put to him next time. Genesis 18:16-33, Abraham pleads for Sodom.

God decides (eventually, with the help of Abraham - clearly the man is more moral than the deity) that he will not risk the lives of innocent men in order to punish the guilty.
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Male 1,284
If i was american, i would try to bring back the strong middle class.
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Female 379
Dude, us liberals don`t think we`re too stupid to take care of ourselves. It`s more that there`s always going to be the greedy asses that ruin our country (oh, like it is now thanks to people trying to make money betting against the country) that there will be people that need help sometimes (like money for food when you can`t afford any, libraries so that you can get smarter, public education so that EVERYONE can get an education) Health care for when HMO`s screw you over (yes, that broken arm IS a "preexisting condition") roads to drive on, police officers, fire fighters, lawyers for when you`re innocent (good ones, preferably) and a basic belief that we can all work together to make the country better, but only if we actually do work together.
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Male 946
madest:
He`s running for President, not Pope.
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Male 946
@ xiquiripat
In truth, all conservatives are for limited government whereas liberals seem to think we need as much government intrusion as possible because we`re too stupid to take care of ourselves. I will admit conservatives tend to quote the bible to justify way too much (i.e. gay marriage) but it doesn`t mean everything they stand for is wrong.
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Male 17,512
madest: What about empathy for the victims ? How many guilty men walk free because of some technicality ? Or like OJ Simpson, just gets away with it ?
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Male 7,378
No. I think that empathy towards your fellow man is an important attribute of leaders.
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Male 87
simply said. this is one of the best titles a troll has ever written.
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Male 946
@ madest
I know you have the power to change the title on the description but you didn`t. Ergo, you did approve. And I`m sure Texas has executed innocent people under Perry but people get run over by the wheels of justice all the time. I`m not saying it`s right but it`s kind of unfair to lay it all at Perry`s feet don`t you think? I`m not saying I like Perry. In fact, I don`t. But I do respect the fact that, as governor, he did what he was elected to do in these cases which is to carry out the will of the people.
Texas wants(likes) to be thought of as the hardass state. This is why Texas elected him and every other governor.
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Male 17,512
madest: Daily Kos is a lot different than Drudge, DKos provides blog space for liberal commentators, Drudge does not.

Drudge merely provides links to articles, He doesn`t invent news like the DKos bloggers do on a daily basis.

Several times now, Major news stations have used DKos blogs as a `Source` for their stories, only to find out later that the stories were false, exaggerated, or rumor, then those stations have had to retract and/or apologize for those stories.

That still doesn`t excuse the fact that you accused me of being `insane` when it`s clear that you screwed up and overlooked the submitters link, before you made your accusation.
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Male 525
Serpentchick: Umm...no. I now realize that it didn`t end after "the fire does not lie".

But the fact that the author stressed how much experience the arson investigator had and how if he was ever wrong, "It’s never been pointed out." seemed pretty convincing.
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Male 159
Did you see all the blacks and latino clapping ... sarcasm will get you the death penality
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Male 2,422
Texas executes nearly as many innocent people as Iran.

Oh, and notice he explicitly states this is a state`s rights issue and at the same time supports a constitutional ban on gay marriage. Like most social conservatives he only believes in limited government when he feels like it.
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Male 17,512
M_Archer: Not directed at you, just bad comment timing there, sorry.
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Male 7,378
IAB is not advancing anything. The title is made by the submitter. Anyone who has submitted a post should know that. We do on occasion change the title of the description but for the most part we leave it to the submitter. Crawl up Sachi001`s butthole not IAB`s.
Specifically to CJ, Kos is not a journalist. He is the web equivalent of Drudge. Finds links to stories that justify his point of view. But to claim that because of Kos, Rick Perry hasn`t possibly executed an innocent man is ludicrous. Look into it yourself 234 executions? I`d bet there`s a lot more than 1 innocent dead man on his hands.
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I don`t see PArry doing anything wrong in that video.

But hey, it`s Texas. Of COURSE they execute innocent people. The Texas Rangers are always getting caught faking evidence. To streamline an overworked justice system they instituted the law that after 7 years you can`t introduce new evidence. Not even if it`s DNA evidence that proves a guy is innocent. They executed a mentally retarded guy with the mind of a 12 year old.

Texas Justice .... avoid it.
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Female 379
M Archer - did you read ALL of the article? it`s written more like a book, there are more concise articles on the subject. but the beginning of the article is written the way it was seen at the time, then the article goes on, basically a "not all was like it seemed" sort of deal. hell, I`m still reading it. it`s REALLY long.
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Male 483
Just throwing this out there. I`m pro capital punishment.

(leans back in chair, twiddling fingers)
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Male 525
Madest, did you even read the New Yorker article? If anything, it was proof of his guilt.

Insults are getting you nowhere.

@CrakrJak: What did you mean by "you two". Did you mean me?

I`m on your side.
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Male 26
This is fantastic.
And to all of those "right to live" people, they knew the consequences when they committed the crime.
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Female 379
When YOU can prevent, or at least delay, the death of someone, and you DON`T, and that person turns out to be innocent, That makes YOU guilty, especially if there are people coming forward who say they have new evidence, which there were. He could have delayed it, given him another chance to prove his innocence. He didn`t. I believe a person`s life, if it`s worth enough to kill another for taking it, is worth enough to give them a second trial.
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Male 946
A couple of things here. First. As a few others have pointed out, the title is misleading. In fact, it`s a lie. It now seems IAB is trying to advance a political agenda by lying.
Second. Rick Perry is correct. Most Americans are for capital punishment. It may not be politically correct but it`s still true.
Oh, and IAB? Just so you know. If you`re trying to get people to vote against someone, try the truth because if you lie and get caught at it, some people will vote for him out of spite. Childish I know but still human nature.
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Male 17,512
madest: anti-intelectual ? the source doesn`t matter ? LOL

Alright, whatever UFO boy, you completely missed the link I was talking about and accuse me of being dumb, wow.
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Male 7,378
Whatever CJ, Burton_Ian posted the story from the New Yorker in his comment... Same story. The story is the story it`s source shouldn`t matter. Whatever. Republicans are indeed the anti-intellectual party and you are proof of that.
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Male 17,512
Only the Daily Kos article accused him of executing an innocent man, geesh. You two need to look at the original page again the link is right there below the video.
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Male 7,378
The words were Rick Perry`s. From Rick Perry, brought to you by Rick Perry. Stop it man, you are insane.
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Male 525
@madest: I think CrakrJak was talking about the assertion "Rick Perry had an innocent man executed." Perry never said he executed an innocent man. Did you even watch the video?
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Male 17,512
madest: The title was referring to and linked to a Daily Kos blog article, you doofus, or did you fail to see the link down there ? "Credits: More on this Rick Perry story here..." Hurr Durr Derp.
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Male 541
Hearing the audience clapping at the start is just.....I can`t believe such a large group of people would have that mentality, I find it pretty shocking.
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Male 759
Obvious liberals are obviously liberal. A) he`s a governor not an executioner or judge or prosecutor. He had no involvement with any of the cases of any of the death row inmates. B) he never said anything about executing innocent people. He said he trusts the legal system to make that decision.

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Male 272
since he killed an innocent man shouldn`t he be "brought to justice"? he did kill him
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Male 1,284
my believe is you can execute someone who is guilty of those crimes. But if you make a mistake you should be charge with murder and be executed aswell
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Male 385
Pooptart19 I agree.
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Male 1,836
Ron Paul 2012!
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Male 7,378
[quote]So Daily KOS is now considered factual evidence here at IAB ? FAIL, doesn`t even begin to describe this post.[/quote]
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Are you retarded? This was from the republican debate. The words are his, from his mouth. Jesus your partisanship makes every thought of your pea brain twist doesn`t it?
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Male 815
Article detailing what SerpentChick was talking about is right here.
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Male 17,512
So Daily KOS is now considered factual evidence here at IAB ? FAIL, doesn`t even begin to describe this post.
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Female 379
Wow, so the clip was wrong, but it is true that there has been at least one innocent man executed in Texas during Perry`s time. Man in 2004 who was killed for arson, when it isn`t proven that it was actually arson. Perry took over in 2000, so that was during his time. He was innocent, lost his children in a fire, and was killed. There are other cases where innocence is highly suspected after the execution, with more and more evidence coming forward. So yes, I believe that Perry has condemned at LEAST one innocent man to die.
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Male 2,670
Nice thread title. Short and utterly misleading. Seems to happen a lot around here.
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Male 525
The "credits" link speaks with absolute certainty that Perry executed an innocent man and the governor is corrupted while the evidence for that is shaky at best.

Am I saying Perry did not execute an innocent man? No, and this is why I oppose the death penalty. Morally, it`s good--but to execute a single innocent man is an irreparable loss.

What bothers me is Perry`s justification for the death penalty i.e. he doesn`t have one--the best he`s got is "the majority says it`s good; therefore, it`s good." (argumentum ad populum)

I still think he`s the best the Republicans have got so far--his only flaw, albeit major, is that he`s a religious nut.
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Male 7
sorry for the double post but to deathcab4aj,

In the Old Testament not only was the death penalty supported but required by God in certain circumstances. I`m not saying you`re wrong. I`m just saying that there`s enough room for people to make biblical arguments for either point.
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Male 7,378
Statistically, You have more of a chance of being executed by Rick Perry than you do of dying in a plane crash.
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Male 7
It would be nice if there was an attempt at keeping the titles honest. It`s fine if you don`t believe in capital punishment but its not as if pretending anyone who does is satan will prove your point.

The title suggests the person who posted this didn`t understand the question asked of Perry. Though looking at Sachi001 and seeing he`s from Asia, there might have been a language barrier.
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Female 167
And btw, how can any Christian support the death penalty? Jesus always said, "turn the other cheek"! And wouldn`t killing people by the state be playing the role of God?
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Female 167
Sadly, he will probably be the next president.
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Male 2,440
Misleading title is misleading, IAB.
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Male 3,285
Yay! ANotehr epic fail by i-a-b. I think Fancylad needs to keep a shorter leash on the mods that are authorising submissions to this site.
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Male 1,931
Rick Perry is a FAR right wing, super Christian, Governor from Texas. As was George W. Bush.
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Male 267
What the hell is going on here? Are the mods just posting any random crap that`s sent to them? The title has absolutely nothing to do with the clip.
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Male 1,510
FYI: Ron Paul opposes the death penalty.
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Male 1,510
How is this about an innocent man executed???
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Male 226
Do you people drating listen to what is said before you post poo? This isn`t even drating twisting words, it`s just posting what you wish would`ve happened. Stop posting poo.
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Male 210
If this A-Hole wins I`m moving to Canada, and wtf is up with that crowd, pro-life my [email protected]%...
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Male 566
"Guilty, shmilty I just likes killin` people" The fact that it got applause is appalling.
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Male 6,737
Capital punishment is bad, kids.
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Male 881
Texas citizens have NOT made the decision that those who commit heinous crimes will face justice. They have a war criminal living in their state and have made no attempt to have him face justice.
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Male 1,582
Did any part of that bring up that he had an innocent man executed?
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Male 599
Link: Rick Perry Had An Innocent Man Executed [Rate Link] - As a Native Born Texan, this man just disgusts me.
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