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107 Responses to Raw Video Of Girl Drawing A Gun On A School Bus

  1. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:24 am
    Link: Raw Video Of Girl Drawing A Gun On A School Bus - Just another day on the school bus in the inner city, no big deal.
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:33 am
    Don`t you just love guns and their ability to turn pussies into hardened warriors? *rolls eyes*
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:35 am
    inb4 every racial comment known to man gets posted.
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    TypicalJerk Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:36 am
    Ohhhhhhh, DRAWING a gun. I was expecting something artsy. =|
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:46 am
    People like this need beaten. And I don`t mean discipline, I mean skull smashed on concrete beaten into a stupor.

    We do NOT need their genes passed on to the next generation, and we DO need to set an example to anyone who wants to follow theirs.

    Inner city schools might not suck so bad if they would hire teachers that would (and were allowed to) kick some ass once in a while.
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    Crizzy777 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:47 am
    Cowboys and Shananigans...
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:49 am
    I would`ve tackled that little bi***
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    sniper11290 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:49 am
    Thats why monkeys live in inner city and whites live in the suburbs :)
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:54 am
    @ Subushie: You know it.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:56 am
    @ sniper11290: Enjoy your ban.
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    BostonKaiser Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:01 am
    How has our society digressed to the point that a kid`s solution to a problem is using/drawing a gun? Maybe I should be more concerned with that fact that she had a gun in her possession in the first place. Hell, I`m 43, and I wouldn`t know where to get a gun (illegal/off the street), but a kid does.
  12. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:03 am
    "I would`ve tackled that little bi***"

    And of course like in most movies that would have made the gun go flying out of her hands.

    In real life, you would have been shot numerous times.

    Excellent idea.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:03 am
    monkeys live in inner city and whites live in the suburbs :)
    You`re also a monkey, and a racist by the looks of it.

    and we DO need to set an example to anyone who wants to follow theirs.
    Agreed.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:07 am
    As I read the title I was wondering, WTF is the big deal, so someone is making some graffiti on a bus....Stupid me.....

    Oh and Sniper, Welcome to IAB, enjoy the banhammer.
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    cndman15 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:07 am
    man if your going to be racist at least dont be such a jerk about it.
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    cndman15 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:09 am
    @BostonKaiser... really..? you dont know where to get a gun? how about a store that sells guns?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:11 am

    @ sniper11290 - I`d like to say it was nice knowing you.
    Yeah, I`d like to say that, but it wasn`t.

    People like you give us racists a bad name.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:15 am
    sniper11290, sometimes the banhammer weighs heavy on me. but, to be honest, i kind of enjoy banning racists.
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    SlothOfDoom Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:17 am
    Insert racist comment here.
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    BostonKaiser Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:18 am
    @cndman15
    I DID say illegal/off the streets. It might be helpful if you actually read my post before commenting on it.
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    Tubby12370 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:22 am
    Gun stores are NOT the only place to get a gun...people sell them on the street (sure one could trace it back to a gun store, but you know what i mean.)
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:38 am
    "People like you give us racists a bad name."

    I really hope you are kidding Gerry, I really really do.
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    parkm Male 13-17
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:45 am
    @klamz

    Tackling her when her back was turned and grabbing the arm she was wielding the gun with would have immediately deescalated the situation.
  24. Profile photo of DrAtlas
    DrAtlas Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:46 am
    When I first read the description, I thought it meant drawing a picture of a gun.
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    KwameAreeva Male 70 & Over
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    September 4, 2011 at 10:52 am
    "...inner city.." Inner city, really? Yazoo City, Ms? Maybe "inner city" is racist code for black people. No different than saying "those people"!!!
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 11:08 am
    1. Why did no one stop her while she was loading it?
    2. She never pulled the action back, so there was never any real danger as there was never a round in the chamber.
    3. Given number 2, why did no one stop her sooner?
    4. I could blame it on race, but seeing as a white kid who grew up in the same environment this girl did is just as likely to do the same thing (even though this type of culture is heavily dominated by blacks anyway), I won`t.

    I can`t help but pity her and the other kids on the bus; not for the bus situation itself, but because she felt she had to, and was able to get her hands on a gun for some reason; which goes without saying, shouldn`t have been possible.
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 11:14 am
    "In real life, you would have been shot numerous times."

    lol. You think sitting around and waiting for her to open fire was the better alternative? She`s a little girl with a gun. She`s scared and she`s not expecting anyone to mess with her. She`d have probably dropped it out of shock if anyone HAD rushed her, and THAT would have solved that problem, not sitting here and bending to her will simply because she managed to find a weapon. What`s that telling her? That the gun rules and as long as she has it, no one can stop her. Is that the message you want to send?
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 11:39 am
    @leesah Couldn`t have said it better myself.
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    Byfield Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 11:52 am
    OH...I thought she was sketching a gun
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    cyborg Male 13-17
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    September 4, 2011 at 11:56 am
    with a name like Yazoo, it has to be crazy
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    Ani187 Female 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    I honestly thought you meant drawing a gun, like on paper with a pencil...now I feel stupid. And sad. What an awful thing.
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    Deviros Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    Hey everybody! Let`s enact gun control now, because that will stop this from ever happening, because that will destroy all guns!

    Sorry bout that, i can just see the arguments forming.
  33. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 12:24 pm
    Actually, Deviros, if you look to countries where there is gun control, you don`t see this type of crap. So, you know, there`s that.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    Heartbreaking. I couldn`t imagine fearing for my life on my way to school as a child.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    Yes SmagBoy1, but because guns are already readily available in the US, getting rid of all the guns is impossible. Look at marijuana, yes that is illegal, but people still manage to get it anyways, because it`s readily available.

    The only way to get rid of guns is to stop making them, and hope that the current guns break, get destroy through age or something of the like.
  36. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 4, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    SmagBoy1 [quote">" if you look to countries where there is gun control, you don`t see this type of crap. " [/quote">
    Like the UK or Norway or France ?
    Gon controlled countries like those?
  37. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 4, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Outlawing guns would totally work.
    Just like outlawing marijuana stopped people from smoking pot.
  38. Profile photo of Mister_C
    Mister_C Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 1:13 pm
    Hey Gerry1of1, the "UK" one you linked to was about a New York shooting...
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    Thetas Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    Yeah what Gerry said.
    Instead of turning this in to a debate and posting a bunch of facts I`m just going to say, "I live in California. I`ve seen how good strict gun control laws work. Spoiler alert: They don`t."
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    Authentic187 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    Yazoo county hehehe
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    Jonno22 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 1:29 pm
    Gerry1of1 - Check your sources. If you`d read the first line of that article about "the UK".....

    Besides, gun control in the UK works - that`s why when someone like Derek Bird or Roaul Moat loses it, it`s so abhorrent and occupies the news for weeks.

  42. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 1:30 pm
    I see so many people hiding behind "Gun control blah blah", all of you, shut it. The gun is a tool, harmless on its own. The real problem here is the person, parents, and culture that surround this child that made her feel that is the right way to deal with things.

    As far as the dude bitching about "Inner city is code for black people".....Piss off, seriously. Go cry wolf somewhere else. If you are black, go look in a mirror if you are trying to find racism to troll about.
  43. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 1:36 pm
    Gerry, your single anecdotes are like sand pebbles to the mountain of evidence against them. There are always exceptions. Point is, if you can look at the evidence and still argue, there`s no reason to have the discussion. I didn`t say outlaw guns, I`m only talking about controlling access. Whatever. Here. Sort by total deaths. Yay, we almost win!
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 1:38 pm
    "We" being the good ol` US of A. And "win" being the most deaths by gun per person.
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    Thetas Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 1:49 pm
    @SmagBoy1
    I just had to take a look at that list and I have to say our gun-related suicides put us higher up on the list than we should be since there`s a number of countries below us with higher gun-related homicides.
    Regardless, the important when talking about gun control to look at homicides by country, guns not included. Does gun control prevent homicides, or does it simply lower homicides by gun and raise homicides by other methods?
    A gun doesn`t make people kill other people; As steelgrid said, it`s just another tool to use on someone, a tool in the already numerous ways to do someone in.
    I`d rather be shot than have someone smash my head in with a hammer.
  46. Profile photo of RobSwindol
    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 2:01 pm
    Since when is Yazoo County, Mississippi considered "inner city"?
  47. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 4, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    My Apologies to everyone... the UK link was wrong.

    THIS is the one I meant to post.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    And here is a child with a gun, on a bus, just several posts away from the 14 yr. old girl that got tased.

    Now what would you people have a police officer do in this case ? By procedure a policeman would NOT draw his taser, he`d draw his firearm and if she had made any sudden movements they`d have shot her dead.

    Just because your teenager is relatively under your control, most of the time, doesn`t mean other parent`s teenagers are.
  49. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    Besides, gun control in the UK works - that`s why when someone like Derek Bird or Roaul Moat loses it, it`s so abhorrent and occupies the news for weeks.
    Exactly. In the US it happens every day, so it only makes it to local news.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    That girl could have ruined her life.... wow!
  51. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 2:31 pm
    This video is absolutely disgusting and I`m very glad I don`t live anywhere near where it happened. It points to a messed up system in general.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 3:50 pm
    Oh look, more black people
  53. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 4, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    "It points to a messed up system in general"
    To what system are you referring?
    Did the school system trick her into this behavior?
    Did the welfare system force her to be a gun toting thug.
    I`m looking more to the parents {or lack of} as a probably cause for this.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm
    We should ban buses
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    draquoir Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 7:09 pm
    This is what happens when all of our money is spent on fruitless endeavors such as wars and not on the education of this country. What`s the point of fighting the war to supposedly protect ourselves if we`ll just kill ourselves from the inside in the future?
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    Sh*t just got real
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    ronin787 Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 8:12 pm
    This time the black person was female, had a gun, and there were not any Koreans on the bus...
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    rebetikas Male 30-39
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    September 4, 2011 at 8:34 pm
    Initially I thought what`s wrong with a girl drawing a gun (or drawing any other picture really)... then I watched the video. Then I was like "oooooh, right".
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    Mckinneysgay Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:01 pm
    she got ghetto booty...nnnneeeeeiiiice
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 9:03 pm
    Quit complaining. Doesn`t she have a constitutional right to shoot up her hood?
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    IshiiDaFishy Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 11:11 pm
    Well thats pretty stupid, when I was a kid, we drew guns on everything. Buses, walls, textbooks, desks..Uptight people these days.

    *watches video*

    Oh, I see.
    Well, nothing new.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 11:38 pm
    The worst part is that the other kids seemed to be laughing and generally unconcerned that this kid was waving a gun around. I`m guessing that`s normal behavior there.
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    xCYBERDYNEx Male 18-29
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    September 4, 2011 at 11:43 pm
    @Steelgrid, that`s the best comment I`ve read bravo.
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    herohair1978 Male 30-39
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    September 5, 2011 at 3:15 am
    Why do some people get so defensive when you mention gun control? Of course a gun is harmless on its own, but does that really make it okay to proliferate them? I have had this discussion with people before, asking them why they carried a gun. The answer was to protect himself against other gun-carrying people. So where does it end? It`s like the arms race between USA and USSR all over again on a smaller scale.

    Do you know what, if you live in an area so dangerous that you need to carry a gun to protect yourself against `them`, move somewhere safer. Like Beirut.

    Gun control works, throwing more guns into the crowd and shouting `scramble` does not. Stop whining about it.
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    Vimto Male 40-49
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    September 5, 2011 at 5:20 am
    "The gun is a tool"

    Unfortunately, so are a lot of people that own them.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    September 5, 2011 at 6:11 am
    @herohair1978: You are European so I will excuse your ignorance. There are (estimated) as many guns in the U.S. as there are people. Gun control will never work. Know how I know? See my gun? I bought it from a guy. I paid cash.
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    zumtut Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 7:32 am
    frickin` canadians
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 5, 2011 at 7:33 am

    herohair1978 [quote">"gun control works" [/quote">
    ? gun control disarms people making easy victims of them. It doesn`t stop a single "baddie" from getting one.

    Take a look at Australia. They banned guns in 1996 and crime went way up. I believe the had to repeal the ban, can someone from down under update that?
    Aussie Bans Guns Crime Goes Up Story

    Gun Control Legislation is wishful thinking, nothing more.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 8:00 am
    To what system are you referring?
    All of those sound about right. You could add a few more like the culture or laws...
    I wasn`t specific with the system because theres more than one problem here.
    gun control disarms people making easy victims of them. It doesn`t stop a single "baddie" from getting one.
    Ahh the old argument. Sure... let`s assume that it`s right. So what do you do then? How would you reduce crime?
  70. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 8:04 am
    Try to see this from the baddie`s perspective:

    Am I gonna rob this store because I have a gun, and thus the opportunity for a quick buck?

    ... or am I gonna rob it cause I`m poor, my life sucks and I need to survive?

    And I believe there are people in both categories. So banning guns outright won`t do it.
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 8:14 am
    *scrolls down to comments expecting another gun control argument*
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    *is not disappointed*
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    aroc91 Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 8:19 am
    My points still stand-

    http://www.i-am-bored. com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=63435

    Eliminate the necessity to emulate the dumbass thug rap culture and this type of behavior will fizzle out.
  73. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 8:43 am
    Give ALL the kids guns, that way when she draws on them one of the others can "defend themselves"! It would have worked for Virginia Tech!
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 8:54 am
    Ah. This brings back fond memories of my school <3

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    beternal Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 8:56 am
    @almightybob1

    God I hope that was a joke otherwise you have topped the leaderboards for most stupid comment on the web :-)

    Yeah, giving people that we KNOW are too naive to drive, drink, have sex and (as the London riots have shown) even communicate responsibly WEAPONS - wow, that`s going to end well.

    Still, as long as it`s just in America, things will Darwin themselves to a satisfactory conclusion *gets popcorn*
  76. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 9:00 am
    The gun is a tool, harmless on its own.
    The gun is a tool designed explicitly with the sole purpose of killing. Handguns are even more explicitly designed for killing other human beings. It is not like any other tool.
  77. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 5, 2011 at 9:03 am

    How would I reduce gun crime?

    No, it`s not easy. Just as there are many reasons that lead to gun crimes, there also are many things needed to curb it. There`s no ONE solution. But fixing the court system is a big one I think. No more penalizing shop owners for shooting robbers. If a man knows he stands a good chance of getting his ass shot off he is less likely to try it. No, it won`t stop all crime, but with gun control it`s seen as "easy money" with little risk.

    The same for home invasions, car jacking, assaults. Extended prison sentances for gun related crime has not done a damn thing except cost money. Time to Arm the Victoms from the Predators.
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    herohair1978 Male 30-39
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    September 5, 2011 at 9:28 am
    Just checked back in and am not surprised to see the old "There`s too many guns in our country to make it work" and "If you take my gun away the baddies can still get them" arguments.

    All that really tells me is that the second amendment, whilst admirable in its time, has now directly led to an untenable situation where not having a gun somehow handicaps you and makes you an easy target.

    You know what, I may be European and therefore somehow `ignorant`, but if being ignorant means I don`t have to live in fear like that, I`m happy to have no idea what it`s like. I feel sorry for you.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    September 5, 2011 at 9:29 am
    Poor victim overreacted and now she will not attend regular school and the "bully" will be situation normal.
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    intrigid Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 10:19 am
    "The gun is a tool designed explicitly with the sole purpose of killing. Handguns are even more explicitly designed for killing other human beings. It is not like any other tool."

    I kind of disagree with the statement that its sole purpose is killing. I think it`s primary purpose is actually deterrence. What you said is a lot like saying "air bags are designed for the sole purpose of blowing up in someone`s face". This is incorrect. Their primary function is to never be deployed. Their secondary function is to be deployed.

    Most police officers never shoot a single person in their entire career. Yet, if they didn`t have their weapons at their side, their jobs would be a lot more difficult and stressful.
  81. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 5, 2011 at 10:36 am

    "The gun is a tool designed explicitly with the sole purpose of killing."

    No, their purpose is to propel a pellet at high velocity.
    The User decides if this is for target practice, for food, or to kill a human. Killing a human is not automatically a bad thing. A women who kills the man trying to rape her is not a villain he would not be a victim.
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    mntlmstrbtr Male 30-39
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    September 5, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    "Just another day on the school bus in the inner city, no big deal."

    Yazoo City, MS, population 14,500, is hardly "the inner city."
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    Cuppsworth Male 13-17
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    September 5, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    I feel that people kids in high school need to be taught that guns are dangerous, and how to handle one. As well as create a respect for the firearm. Keep in mind that I am VERY pro gun.

    Anyone who thinks we need less exposure to guns, just look at the Swiss.
  84. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 5, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Cuppsworth "Anyone who thinks we need less exposure to guns, just look at the Swiss."
    The Swiss?
    Are you saying their cheeze got all shot up?
    I don`t get it.
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    apedrana Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Cuppsworth: you just didn`t compare the US to the Swiss?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 5, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    God I hope that was a joke otherwise you have topped the leaderboards for most stupid comment on the web
    Yes, it was sarcasm, because "if Virginia Tech wasn`t a no-gun zone this wouldn`t have happened" was an argument put forward by the pro-gun lobby at the time. Arm the other students, and it would all be fine.

    What you said is a lot like saying "air bags are designed for the sole purpose of blowing up in someone`s face". This is incorrect. Their primary function is to never be deployed. Their secondary function is to be deployed.
    No, their function is to deploy and save a person`s life. If they are never needed, great. But that`s what they`re designed for.
    You hope they never get used, but you don`t design for that. You design for when they ARE used.

    No, their purpose is to propel a pellet at high velocity.
    Yes, and the A-bomb`s purpose is simply nuclear fission. Come on Jerry.
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    dannyseven Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 1:22 am
    @herohair1978

    I didn`t buy my AK-47 to protect myself from other gun-carrying people, I bought it for the same reason 15-year-olds buy airsoft pistols - it`s fun to shoot guns.

    I`ve got an assault rifle, a revolver, and a shotgun in my house, and if someone breaks in in the middle of the night, my first instinct is still going to be to grab my girl, climb out the window, and call the cops.

    If it`s impossible to leave and my life or my family`s life is threatened, then of course I`m going to use any force required to stop the threat. If I didn`t own a gun, I`d use a crowbar or a knife

    In my opinion, too many on the pro-gun side argue that they need their guns for self defense. Sure, it`s a better weapon than a baseball bat, but 9 times out of 10, you`re better off leaving.

    Too many on the anti-gun side are worried about gun crime. If it wasn`t guns, it`d be knives and blunt objects. Guns aren`t the problem. Desperate, selfish, erratic, and v
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    dannyseven Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 1:32 am
    @almightybob1 The gun is a tool designed explicitly with the sole purpose of killing.

    Bob, tools can be re-purposed.

    Of course guns are designed to kill, just like katanas were designed to kill.

    What percentage of katana owners bought their swords with the intent of slicing someone else open? What percent will ever brandish them at someome else? Maybe a fraction of a percent (and those few have mental issues that need to be addressed). The rest bought them because they`re nerds. They`re nerdy about ninjas or anime or just wanted to look cool - either way, they bought those killing tools for fun.

    The same goes for guns. Most gun owners are gun nerds, and while we have the tools to kill, we bought our guns for hunting watermelons or shooting clay pigeons.

    I`m guessing you`ve never shot a gun before. If you ever get the chance, do it. They`ll seem a lot less scary to you once you know their limitations in untrained hands.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2011 at 8:09 am
    Yep scapegoat the gun I`m sure more laws would`ve helped with something that wasn`t legal to beging with. How about instead of banning guns cause you don`t like them enact some "Parent Control" laws and get to the source of the problem.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2011 at 8:14 am
    @dannyseven

    Don`t bother Europeans only want things their way. Their laws are best and they know what`s best for everyone. Never see them critize the point and saftey of no speed limits on the autobahn do you?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 8:34 am
    Never see them critize the point and saftey of no speed limits on the autobahn do you?
    Bad analogy.

    A) There are limits on sections of the autobahn that see heavy usage or construction, and limits on specific vehicle types. There are also "suggested" speeds in other sections.

    B) The autobahns in general actually have a pretty good track-record in terms of accidents and fatalities, comparable too and in some cases even BETTER than neighboring countries and, indeed, the US. Guns in general... Don`t have a good track record at all. Especially when you compare places with strict control to places without.

    C) You need a license to drive a vehicle. It`s (comparatively, especially to the US) difficult to obtain a license in Germany in the first place. You DON`T need a license to obtain a gun throughout most of the US. It`s not that hard to get a gun, even for some idiot with a death wish.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 8:41 am
    I`m sure more laws would`ve helped with something that wasn`t legal to beging with.
    Nine times out of ten the gun was probably stolen from some idiot legal owner who didn`t take proper care of his weapons.

    Keep weapons out of those people`s hands, you remove the opportunity for them to be stolen and get onto the streets to be used illegally.

    We need both "Parent Control" and "General Moron with Weaponry" control if we want to solve that problem.

    But, of course, no one in America is going to give up their right to be a dumbass and end up taking other people down with them in the process, now are they?

    That`s my biggest problem with America. You may have "rights" according to a piece of paper written some 200 years ago, but for some reason that piece of paper doesn`t give other people the right not to deal with YOUR bullsh*t or suffer because of YOUR problems...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2011 at 10:15 am
    @Altaru

    No not really the ability in marked areas to go as fast as you want would be a threat to your own and others saftey would it not?? As for licensing please tell me why the states with the strictest laws have the highest crime rates? Criminals don`t obey laws if you ban them outright you`ve just given the black market a small countries worth of business oportunity and sowed the seed for a potental revolution.

    but for some reason that piece of paper doesn`t give other people the right not to deal with YOUR bullsh*t or suffer because of YOUR problems...

    You really have no clue as to why it was written on there to begin with do you. You`re a great reason to own guns.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 11:39 am
    No not really the ability in marked areas to go as fast as you want would be a threat to your own and others saftey would it not?
    That`s a threat to your own safety and the safety of those who MAKE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO DRIVE ON THOSE SECTIONS OF ROAD.

    They WILLINGLY TAKE THEIR LIFE IN THEIR OWN HANDS.

    There is an acknowledged threat that you take into account when you get on one of those roads.

    Having a gun is a threat to everyone in the area, not just you and other people with guns. Innocent bystanders shouldn`t have to take their life in their hands just to leave their house.

    The better analogy is driving period. You need a license to drive a car because the minute you start it, you`re a threat to yourself and others.

    So why don`t you need a license to own a gun? (with the exception of a few states)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 11:51 am
    You really have no clue as to why it was written on there to begin with do you.
    Yes, actually. For a few reasons:

    A) At the time, there was a looming threat that a larger country could come in and attempt a hostile take-over of the young, undeveloped USA. If the citizens were armed, they could attempt to form a militia and attempt to hold off such an assault.

    B) They were also afraid of groups attempting to take over the government and forming a totalitarian USA. See above.

    The amendment was NOT added for "self-defense," it was added to defend freedoms and the country from external invaders or internal take-overs, as well as hunting.

    It was also a time period where people didn`t have much need to defend themselves because there wasn`t the constant threat of being mugged in the streets.

    The unintended side effect was a flourishing gun-culture that has created the "need" to be armed in this society.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 12:02 pm
    Our Founding Fathers, great men as they were, were neither perfect, nor clairvoyant, despite the beliefs of morons like you.

    They clearly couldn`t predict what promoting a gun culture, the advancement of gun technology, and that "one-man army" feeling would lead to.

    And as for the black market, where do you think they get half their stuff? They`re stolen from stupid people who didn`t know how to properly protect their weapons. Which they could obtain because of their right to own a weapon.

    The ones that are produced and sold directly into the black market could be kept out by stricter border control, but those in general aren`t handguns like in this case. Those are assault rifles and the like that would put your self-defense handgun to shame, meaning that the minute you pull the handgun to protect yourself you escalate the situation, get yourself killed, and put everyone else in the situation in danger.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    @Altaru

    hmmm so owning a gun is a threat to everyone around you so they`re bad but when you get on the autobahn or such you should be aware you`re risking your life and that`s ok.

    [quote">So why don`t you need a license to own a gun? [/quote">

    I do you seem to think most places don`t. Look for yourself the list is too long to post. To carry conceled it`s pretty much standard to require some sort of license..
    List of requirements to carry.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 6, 2011 at 1:30 pm
    It`s good to know the laws you complain about first Altaru you don`t.

    The ones that are produced and sold directly into the black market could be kept out by stricter border control, but those in general aren`t handguns like in this case. Those are assault rifles and the like that would put your self-defense handgun to shame, meaning that the minute you pull the handgun to protect yourself you escalate the situation, get yourself killed, and put everyone else in the situation in danger.


    Lol you seem to think that we haven`t already tried to get other countries to stop smuggling arms. This logic also means you consider all armed officers a threat to public saftey following your logic.

    It was also a time period where people didn`t have much need to defend themselves because there wasn`t the constant threat of being mugged in the streets.


    Ya I guess the west was won with gun control...oh wait nope.
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    dannyseven Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 5:43 pm
    @Altaru:
    Nine times out of ten the gun was probably stolen from some idiot legal owner who didn`t take proper care of his weapons.

    That`s a ridiculous figure you pulled out of your ass. Nine times out of ten the gun was bought legally by a friend of the criminal and then had the serial number filed off. It`s not hard to buy a gun, and if you ban handguns, you`ll just see shotgun homicides increase. If you ban shotguns, you`ll see knife homicides increase. If people want to kill people, they`re going to do it.

    In this little idiot`s case, someone should have taken that pistol out of her hand and beat the living hell out of her with it. As it is, she`s committed a Class I felony and won`t be out on the street any time soon.

    On another note, assault rifles don`t automatically trump handguns. Despite what you might see at the movies, assault rifles are not easy to manipulate in close quarters.

    If you`d ever handled a gun you might know
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    dannyseven Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    The amendment was NOT added for "self-defense," it was added to defend freedoms ... as well as hunting.

    Hunting? Funny, I don`t see hunting mentioned anywhere in the Bill of Rights.

    You have no idea what you`re talking about.

    You`re afraid of guns, when you`re twice as likely to die from a vehicle than you are from a handgun, and much more likely to be injured. Yet you`re not afraid of cars.

    Guns scare people that don`t know about guns.
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    dannyseven Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 6:40 pm
    If you are an adult citizen between the ages of 18 and 45, you are already part of the militia (as it was defined when the amendment was written). As a de facto member of the militia, it is your constitutional right to own a gun (and for many years after, it was your legal obligation).

    The Swiss still practice mandatory militia service, and every able-bodied man between 20 and 30 owns a fully automatic assault rifle. Compare their gun homicide rate to ours.

    Guns aren`t the problem. Selfish, irresponsible, violent people are the problem. And unfortunately, we seem to have a high number of those people in this country. Blame bad parenting, blame popular culture, blame ignorance or drug use or social disparity, but don`t blame guns.

    You`re vilifying inanimate objects that, incidentally, are a LOT of fun when used in a responsible, non-violent way. I love target shooting, but I`d glady give my wallet to someone rather than shoot them over it. Life is always more
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 9:17 pm
    The Swiss still practice mandatory militia service, and every able-bodied man between 20 and 30 owns a fully automatic assault rifle. Compare their gun homicide rate to ours.
    You are f*cking retarded!

    THE SWISS SERVE MANDATORY F*CKING TIME IN THE MILITARY.

    IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE TRAINED WITH THAT ASSAULT RIFLE, not just given one and told to defend themselves with it.

    On top of that, Switzerland also has a higher ranking than places like GB, Germany, or Australia, all of which have much stricter control over firearms.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 9:36 pm
    Ya I guess the west was won with gun control...oh wait nope.
    The take over of the west went against most of the founding concepts of America in the first place.

    We fought against hostile controlling forces that wanted to take everything from us and give us nothing fair in return during the American Revolution.

    We fought for freedoms, the right to what keep what we earned, and to not have to submit to the will of anyone but ourselves.

    We then proceeded to steal everything from the natives and force them to submit to our will, exactly like the English were doing to us.

    But, of course, it was all okay because the natives weren`t white.

    If anything, what you just brought up was a counter-example, because it shows that guns were used for the hostile and violent take-over of native people`s territory.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 6, 2011 at 9:50 pm
    I do you seem to think most places don`t. Look for yourself the list is too long to post. To carry conceled it`s pretty much standard to require some sort of license..
    See that?

    See that? To carry CONCEALED, you dumbass.

    And the majority have no laws or license involved to open carry.

    Which means you can carry a gun, just don`t wear a jacket that`ll cover it up. You STILL don`t need a license, unlike to drive.

    Nine times out of ten the gun was bought legally by a friend of the criminal and then had the serial number filed off.
    All the more reason to make it harder for the people to buy the gun. Then you kill two birds with one stone: prevent stupid people from getting it stolen and smart criminals from buying one and filing it down.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2011 at 7:58 am
    @Altaru

    Wow nice try dancing around my point. You said..
    It was also a time period where people didn`t have much need to defend themselves because there wasn`t the constant threat of being mugged in the streets.
    So I brought up what`s called the "Wild West" which is the oppostite of what you said above and was resolved by armed citizens enforcing the law. The Native American genocide was done by the Army and not armed citizens it had absolutly nothing to do with this.

    You sound like you`re a liberal fascist meaning you want everyone to have "rights" except for the ones you don`t agree with on your "perfect" world.
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    dannyseven Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2011 at 12:20 pm
    The Swiss still practice mandatory militia service, and every able-bodied man between 20 and 30 owns a fully automatic assault rifle. Compare their gun homicide rate to ours.

    You are f*cking retarded!

    THE SWISS SERVE MANDATORY F*CKING TIME IN THE MILITARY.

    How does that make me retarded? Switzerland`s "military" doesn`t involve itself in foreign wars, so under most definitions, it`s a militia - not a military.

    Way to cherry-pick points and then try them with your dumb f*cking arguments. You`re outclassed here, bud. Go watch some anime.
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    cityncolour Male 30-39
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    September 7, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    every time.

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