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Date: 09/01/11 11:46 AM

51 Responses to MI Bar Owners Ban Lawmakers for Banning Smoking

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    hookskat Female 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 11:47 am
    Link: MI Bar Owners Ban Lawmakers for Banning Smoking - ...and other instances of the government taking away your freedoms. Land of the free, right?
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    How are they supposed to know if the person who comes into their bar is a lawmaker? You can`t force someone to prove their carrier to you. And if they are concerned with low business, I don`t think denying entrance to the bar to certain people is going to help them make money.
    The no smoking law has been in effect here for at least a decade, so I see no problem with this. Sure people complained in the beginning, but they got over it.
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    viperjason Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    Finally, business owners actually doing something useful.
    Banning lawmakers is actually a smart decision. It might actually make the lawmakers think about the consequences of their dumb actions.
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    asiina Female 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    All I hear is abloobloo
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    Monosandalos Male 30-39
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    September 1, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    @the_windy: True. Especially when it is more difficult for someone to prove their career than their carrier.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    September 1, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    What about being free not to breathe in smoke?

    Also the person above me that will no doubt quote me and say "You don`t have to goto a bar", screw you, our argument fails on so many levels.
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    September 1, 2011 at 2:46 pm
    Love it. And before anybody wants to start with "OMG smokin iz da bad!"...this isn`t about smoking. It`s about freedom. Freedom that has been slowly taken away from us by a bunch of government agencies and nanny state OMFG the sky is falling interest groups who think they know what`s best for everybody.
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    @the windy
    First off, this is Michigan; There are probably only a few people who enacted this law, it wouldn`t be hard to hang pictures up so the bartenders know who to not serve.

    Second; This is America, if we want to smoke. IN A BAR we should be allowed to. I understand stupid bulls-hit like the grocery or a clothing store; But bars are made for people who want to drink and smoke.
    Give me my bud back, and I`ll be ok with a public smoking ban; until then; BACK THE FU-CK OFF GOVERNMENT!
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    September 1, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    Buiadh, you are correct. Your argument fails.

    You don`t have a "right" to go into a bar without smoke. They`re not discriminating against you because of race, religion, or other protected class.

    If you want to talk about private property, THEN we can use the word "rights." Otherwise, you`re making up your own definition of "rights."
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    September 1, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    Buiadh, you are correct. Your argument fails.You don`t have a "right" to go into a bar without smoke. They`re not discriminating against you because of race, religion, or other protected class.If you want to talk about private property, THEN we can use the word "rights." Otherwise, you`re making up your own definition of "rights."
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    WorldOfJames Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    losing business so...ban more people from your bar? good logic.
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    I-See-U Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 3:32 pm
    Fu*ck yea
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    If you own a bar you should be able to put up a sign that says "smoking bar, if you don`t like it take your business somewhere else, but you are not allowed to be a whiny bitch on the premises".
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    rikakitty Female 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm
    I don`t get why they can`t just have a non-smoking section. I have asthma, and I`m allergic to cigarette smoke, so being around smoke is painful, but smokers have just as much rights as non-smokers. The issue is, your addiction affects all others around you, so.. just be considerate, that`s all. Why is it so difficult to just step outside, or to just stay in one area? I mean that towards both smokers and nonsmokers. People bitch too much, Jesus.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 5:04 pm
    Well, the problem with that, rikakittly, is that smoke and air don`t stay in said section. To effectively make two separate sections, you`d have to have two separate rooms, which means spending money to put up a wall, and spending money on employees to run both bars.

    As my Civil Rights professor said "Your rights end at the tip of my nose." And as I said before, air has no boundaries. Your right to smoke infringes my right to breathe.
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    Bravosmith Male 30-39
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    September 1, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    I suggest if there are people that want smoke-free bars, they should spend their own money and open one. That is their constitutional right. The Michigan Government, as well as any other state with similar laws, have crossed the line on this one.
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    pandabear21 Female 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 5:25 pm
    "losing business so...ban more people from your bar? good logic."

    I wouldn`t want to serve the pricks that are making my business go under. It is sound. Exclude the other side and see how it feels. It is a free country and bar owners can do what they feel is right. Its about time they start fighting back. This ban is stupid and i have seen many good bars go under because of it.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    good for them. you dont like, dont go there. if you really need BB telling you not to go to a bar filled with smoke, you`re pretty weak.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 1, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Fun nazi`s at it again, but anti-smoking nazis are rediculous.

    Smoking in San Diego, California...
    Not in bars.
    Not anywhere indoors {offeces, restaraunts etc}
    Not within 30 feet of a building entrance {downtown}
    Not on the beach... that`s right, not even outside on the beach.
    Not in your car if children are in it. {not even if you open all the windors or if it`s a convertable.}

    Now they are trying to pass a smoking ban on apartments & condo`s because the smoke goes through the floors and walls into other homes and those people suffer 2nd hand smoke.

    The city council is the only bad thing about living in San Diego.
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    September 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm
    By example Canadians have free healthcare (more or less)..they passed a law that says no smoking in public places and convenience stores are not allowed to advertise cigarettes, nor put them them on display. So instead of 75 pct of kids smoking htese days maybe a small 2 - 3 pct smoke, our streets are clean our hospitals arent over crowded, bars and restaurants dont smell like poo while your trying to enjoy a meal. Government has it right...eventually people will quit or cut down and start enjoying the night life again..its just going to be a while. besides if your stupid enough to smoke, doesnt mean everyone else should have to deal with your stupidity as well.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 1, 2011 at 6:15 pm
    I don`t get why they can`t just have a non-smoking section. I have asthma, and I`m allergic to cigarette smoke, so being around smoke is painful, but smokers have just as much rights as non-smokers.

    Yes, but that doesn`t include the right to impose dangerous drug use on other people.

    I`m sure there are some weirdoes who want to go around spraying a mist of urine on people. That`s far better than smoking, as its harmless and hardly even smells. So why is it illegal?
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    Itsnotover Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 6:42 pm
    @Dead-Kittens Do you live in canada or are you just mentally retarded? im in highschool in canada and about 30% or more kids smoke, and our hospitals are very over crowded
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    Itsnotover Male 18-29
    56 posts
    September 1, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    do you not live in canada*
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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    September 1, 2011 at 7:30 pm
    Glad to see most of you get it.

    Don`t let your "civil rights" professor do your thinking for you....or any other professor for that matter.
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
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    September 1, 2011 at 10:14 pm
    Itsnotover, perhaps you just live in a pretty bad corner of Canada, because where I live it`s pretty much as Dead-Kittens says. Mind you, about 70% of my co-workers smoke and most of them started as kids, but they all acknowledge it`s a nasty habit and are all trying to kick it. They`re not whining about not being able to smoke in bars and resturants and forcing business owners to shut down.

    And as far as I know my hospital isn`t crowded. Most of the wait comes from the 2-3 morons who take extra time because they don`t want to tell the doctor why they weren`t taking their damn medication.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 1, 2011 at 10:36 pm
    I`m a non-smoker and even hate the nasty habit, but the smoking bans are pure crap. These smoking bans got the governments `foot in the door` and now the nanny state bureaucrats feel like they can ban, and tax to death, a lot of other stuff as well.

    It`s time people got mad and be heard to oppose these bans before America turns into the USSR.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    September 1, 2011 at 11:33 pm
    Good, I gave up a few years ago then restarted because (at the time) smoking was permitted in pubs and I would light up when drinking. now I have given up again- and because there is no smoking inside now I find it really easy not to light up when pissed. I have no intention of starting again!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    September 1, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    There are two kinds of people in this world: those who just want to be left alone to make the best life they can for themselves and their families, and @$$holes who want to boss them around and take their stuff.

    Democrats are @$$holes.
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    meatdraw Male 30-39
    36 posts
    September 2, 2011 at 12:21 am
    There are two kinds of people in the word: Those that think there are only 2 types of people in the world, and those that know better.
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    Hat-Trick Male 18-29
    128 posts
    September 2, 2011 at 12:27 am
    American democracy: Everyone has the right to "MY" opinion.
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    CaptainPabst Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2011 at 3:17 am
    Bring this to OREGON!
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    Qwertyuiop95 Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2011 at 3:17 am
    What about being free not to breathe in smoke?

    Also the person above me that will no doubt quote me and say "You don`t have to goto a bar", screw you, our argument fails on so many levels.

    You don`t have to goto a bar.

    Sorry, I just had to say it.
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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    September 2, 2011 at 5:33 am
    Old Ollie, hate to tell ya` it was Republicans who did this. It was aimed at the "Cigar Bars" then they went nuts with it and applied it to every establishment(repubs felt like the cigar bars took money away from their lobbyist friends in Virginia). Look at the Michigan House, Republican controlled, has been since Engler first got into office back in 92.Now it`s complete Republican control with Snyder as gov. So, Republican or Democrat, they both suck, they both play on the same team. The losers are the ones who pick sides and vote against their interest. Illinois, where I am from is no different. Don`t confuse the city governments with the State, Chicago and Detroit are all Democrats, but the States are just the opposite.
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    SunDevilDog Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2011 at 6:19 am
    We should ban people from saying "Illinoise"
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    September 2, 2011 at 6:32 am
    I think it`s as good a form of a peaceful protest as any other - and like any other protest, it won`t result in anything changing.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 2, 2011 at 6:37 am


    This government nanny s**t`s gotten way out of hand UMass you can`t even smoke on their property outside.
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    LePigeon Male 30-39
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    September 2, 2011 at 8:04 am
    As a smoker I can say I do miss having a smoke while drinking my pint of Guinness, but at the same time I understand the point Owertyuiop95 makes; sucks to be a non smoker surrounded by smoke. In the end IMO it really should be up to the owner of the establishment to decide if it`s a smoke free zone or not, it`s his business. What might be a good solution; introducing smoking licences, the same as alcohol licenses. Hopefully this would then create both smoking and none smoking establishments which then would give those who don`t smoke the choice of a nice smoke free place to wet your whistle. On a side note, to all the people that hate us smokers oh so much, ever wonder what would happen if our governments were to ban smoking, think of the loss of taxes? a few years ago a gentlemen who was an analyst for the federal government reported that if smoking were to be banned huge tax hikes would have to be implemented in order to offset the lost taxes from smokers.
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    robosnitz Male 40-49
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    September 2, 2011 at 9:08 am
    I`d go to bars, If I could smoke inside. But since I can`t,.....screw it.
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    elderban Male 30-39
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    September 2, 2011 at 9:29 am
    In a restaurant, I can understand...but banned in a bar? Geez...why don`t they ban liquor too?
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    Khronnus Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2011 at 10:27 am
    As a guy who used to work in a bar, the burns, the fires, the fagends everywhere, the stink it leaves on clothes and hair and the simple disgusting amount of damage it does to people who don`t smoke. I think everyone moaning about bars banning it are stupid and selfish. Smoke outside or not at all. End of.
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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2011 at 11:51 am
    Do what the Chinese do. I`m living in China at the moment and remember when they first imposed a national smoking ban. It`s illegal to smoke in any public places... which is why ashtrays are provided everywhere. I can even enjoy hospital care with the comfort of my own ashtray whilst slowly puffing away underneath the `no smoking` sign.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm
    Ha! Anyone bothered by this is a douchebag and can eff off anyways. Smokers don`t have the same rights as non-smokers and that`s how it should be.
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    Victory7 Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    The fact that the government is ordering a lawful business to disallow smoking or face consequences is what`s at stake here. I don`t care what you`re views are on smoking, if a bar (or any business for that matter) wants to allow customers to smoke inside it, SO BE IT. Who are you to say they can`t?
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    @8bitHero
    The fcuk? Europe? There`s more smokers in your $h!ttastik part of the world than here, and much less smoking laws! How you say "smokers don`t have the same rights as non-smokers"? You`re the kind of pig-fcuk $h!t licker that`s all for a police state aren`t you
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    September 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    @8BitHero

    Do you know who was one of the first people to launch an anti-tobacco campaign?? Here`s a hint look it up...
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    JDplaysFF Male 30-39
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    September 2, 2011 at 7:42 pm
    Some people are genuinely allergic to cigarette smoke. So, yes, its capable of hurting some people. You also can`t (legally) hit someone in a bar. I don`t see anyone up in arms about that.

    Btw, the people who are allergic to cigarette smoke are ecstatic that they can go to bars now.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 3, 2011 at 1:43 am
    THey have already banned that in australia!
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    Naltoc Male 18-29
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    September 3, 2011 at 8:24 am
    They banned smoking in any public restaurent/bar (aka food provider) larger than 40 square emters (roughly 400 square feet) in Denmark years ago. People got up ina rms, but regardless of a fe wof the old-man hideouts, most of us (and I say that as a bartender) love it. It means work for my colleagues and I doesn`t involve second-hand smoke, people cans till smoke outside, and the inside of the bars and restaurents got so much better, resulting in new clientel.

    In the end, this sin`t about your "rights" or "freedom" as a smoker. It`s about the health of everyone else around you.
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    buttsdowhat Female 18-29
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    September 3, 2011 at 1:08 pm
    I live in Arkansas and you can`t smoke anywhere around here. Not in restaurants, not on college campuses, and not in most bars. I`ve only ever been to one bar where you could smoke inside.

    As a nonsmoker, I love it. It means I can taste my food when I go into restaurants. A lot of cigarette smokers really have no idea how strong that smell is when you`re not around it all the time.

    However, in nearby Missouri, you can smoke anywhere. Any time.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 3, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    In a restaurant, I can understand...but banned in a bar? Geez...why don`t they ban liquor too?

    It`s possible to drink liquor without making everyone within a few yards drink it too.

    You`re not allowed to crap on the floors wherever you feel like it. Is that also a ridiculous restriction on your freedom? If not, why not? Yes, it stinks and it`s disgusting and some poor sod will have to clean it up. So it`s just like smoking, only far less harmful.

    Smoking has long had a massively privileged legal status. It is well past time that privilege is reduced. No other drug use has anything like the degree of privilege that smoking still has even after restrictions like this one.
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    JohnKryten Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2011 at 5:00 am

    However, in nearby Missouri, you can smoke anywhere. Any time.

    Wrong.

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