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76 Responses to Dr. Michio Kaku Is Interviewed About UFOs

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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:52 am
    Link: Dr. Michio Kaku Is Interviewed About UFOs - Are UFOs a possibility?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:11 am

    UFOs are Possible? If you go with "unidentified" then they are fact.

    If you go with "aliens from another planet" it`s possible, but highly improbable.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:14 am
    "Would unidentified flying objects without question exist?"

    That is the most stupid question ever. Again they are mixing UFO with extraterrestrial alien spaceships.
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    keith2 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:21 am
    Just because this guy says it doesn`t make it true. People swear up and down they seen ghosts, UFO`s, Elvis, you name it. Some actually believe they say something. Some know they didn`t see a god damned thing but still lie about it. Fact of the matter still remains in that we have not been visited by aliens. Yet.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:24 am
    Knew who submitted this before looking.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:40 am
    This guy has lost all credibility with me. He`s just a media whore. Just because we can`t identify something doesn`t mean it`s an alien spacecraft. That`s the least plausible explanation and to accept that would require a preponderance of evidence. If he holds tenure, he should be stripped of it.
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    bophus Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:42 am
    @keith2
    "Just because this guy says it doesn`t make it true. People swear up and down they seen ghosts, UFO`s, Elvis, you name it. Some actually believe they say something. Some know they didn`t see a god damned thing but still lie about it. Fact of the matter still remains in that we have not been visited by aliens. Yet."

    So we could also summarize that just because you say it, it doesn`t make it true, correct?
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    SumRandom1 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:52 am
    i like this guy, it makes sense, and he does not go off the subject, love his speculaitons on different things in life and black holes and alien technology
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 9:39 am
    It`s undoubted that there is life *out there*. In our galaxy alone, there are an estimated 50 billion Earth-like planets, and a large number of those are within the Goldilocks Zone, some are even warm enough to keep liquid water.
    But, whether or not they`re visiting us is still up for debate.
    Like Dr. Kaku says, they probably really aren`t interested in us, which is why they don`t make effort to contact us. We`re not much further up the evolutionary scale than the ants that we share our planet with. So we split an atom. Whoopty-doo. Chances are, if there`s a spacefaring race, the concept of splitting atoms would be akin to striking rocks together to make fire. Not that impressive. Interesting, yes, but not impressive.
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 9:41 am
    Now, as for the dig on ghosts...again, there`s a lot more to this universe than we comprehend. Quantum theory is starting to lean to the fact that when we die, that we don`t just cease to exist, but exist on another quantum level that we don`t really understand right now. Ergo...ghosts.
    I`ve done quite a bit of ghost hunting, and I`ve got some very interesting stories to tell.
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 9:45 am
    this vid pissed me off in 5 seconds cuz of the F*CKIN` AUDIO IS SO GOD DAMNED LOW!!!
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 10:13 am
    I do not like Dr. Michio Cuckoo. He is seems to be the least scientific scientist around. He is quite skilled at finding a camera. His logic for predicting the future tends to be along the lines of, "since we now have the technology to create giant fruit cakes, in the future everyone will have a giant fruit cake in their house".

    The hurdles of interstellar space travel are massive and not something that we will solve in the near future, if ever. That means that an alien race that has overcome those hurdles would have to be so much more advanced than us as to make them appear nearly as gods to us. That means that if they did come here, we would probably never know, and even if we did see them it wouldn`t be because they were tooling around in a flying disc. UFOs as extra terrestrials makes almost zero sense when you understand the physics involved and posses a critical mind. Dr. Michio either lacks critical thinking or suspends it for the pay check.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 10:19 am
    "People worship an invisible man in the sky and there`s no proof of him what-so-ever. So UFO`s piloted by aliens are more of a probability than a God."

    So if there is a God, then he must live on a different plane of existence than we do, because he would have created the physical universe. (The bible clearly states there is a physical and spiritual existence). To define probabilities for that plane of existence based on the rules of this one is an error in logic.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 10:33 am
    @Samsquanch, quantum theory does not explain ghosts at all. From a physics perspective, there are no special attributes that living things have that inanimate things don`t (look up emergent behavior). Therefore physics cannot be used to explain the persistence of our minds or bodies beyond our death.

    You are twisting quantum theory to explain something it absolutely does not explain. If your interpretation was correct, then everything would create ghosts. Every rock, chair, cloud, and furry bunny would produce ghosts. The fact that ghost claims are rarely anything but human is a clue.

    Scientific research into how the brain works has given us good explanations for ghosts, but they simply say that it is all in your head. People don`t want the boring answer, even if it is right. They much prefer to believe that you live on after death and that UFOs are aliens here to poke us in the butt.
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    simmerslodra Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:02 am
    @ NottaSpy. I`m a wingnut so... fair warning. But 1. What if religion as a whole is a cosmic cargo cult phenomena. Beings advanced enough to overcome the physical barriers you mention would then have appeared as gods, or angels, or whatever. Think Ezekiel`s wheel. The ancient alien fools take that proposition pretty far with dubious evidence. 2. A lot of the experiences of people who claim to have witnessed ufos are pretty weird beyond just seeing something in the sky that shouldn`t be there. Also that the description of the craft, from cigar shaped to triangular, to ball of light, etc. is not static could have something to do with humans interpreting something(craft? beings? yet unrecognized natural phenomena?) beyond what our brains are primed to experience, ala the sphere in flatworld appearing as a circle when viewed in 2 dimensions. K. takereasy
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:20 am
    @simmerslodra, you are a "wingnut" if you take those possibilities too far, which you don`t. You seem to understand that it is a possibility, but not a likely one. Here is where we apply Occam`s Razor. Yes, it is possible that it can be explained by extra terrestrials, but since we have much better terrestrial explanations, why do we need the alien explanation? The belief in Alien visitation, ghosts, and religion all stem from scientific illiteracy and lack of critical thinking skills.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:37 am
    Do you really think we`ll find spacial distances as daunting as we do today?
    The distance is only part of it. The energy requirements are the real hurdle.

    Three scenarios:
    1) They travel at speeds well below the speed of light: The trip would take decades or centuries, hardly worth it for what seems to amount to a pleasure cruise or anal biopsies.

    2) They travel nearly at the speed of light: The energy requirements out strip all the energy the human race has used in it`s entire existence. They avoid the long trip, from their perspective, but still return to their home decades later. Once again, hardly worth it for sight seeing or a butt poking expedition.

    3) They use a technology that eliminates the speed of light as a barrier. The energy requirements for that technology is now on a galactic scale. They would need to harness the energy output of entire stars. Yet again, all for a camping trip or porn adventures?
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    Let me come at this from a different angle. Only since humans have started to put things in the sky have there been regular sightings of UFOs. Only since there has been wide spread availability of CGI has the evidence for extraterrestrials even looked half credible. That should be very telling.

    Yeah, you can point to ancient writings or drawings as evidence, but look at that evidence critically. An entire civilization comes and goes and they produce one or two drawings of a UFO? You interpret their written accounts fiery objects in the sky as aliens rather than meteorites?

    Just to believe in these aliens people have to construct these crazy, twisted explanations of why aliens are visiting us more now than before, and why they observe us but not interact with us, and why they abduct us only lonely roads rather than in broad daylight in the middle of downtown.

    Come on, use your heads, think it through. Ask yourself the hard questions.
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    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:02 pm
    @Nottaspy you forgot the possibilities of worm-holes, although unlikely but still possible. not to mention if we were to gain millions of years of scientific knowledge, the advancements in our reality could be far beyond our current imaginations. for all you know we could somehow be able to use quantum non-locality. and just instantly jump places. It`s really stupid to try and argue against the possibilities of something happening in a universe we hardly understand.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    Some UFO picture they show on that interview as just been explained(all hoax).

    Even if you travel at the speed of light, the nearest system is 20 years away after that we talking about 100 and more years.

    If you see a UFO look for the military or space exploration explaination.

    Last option , space bending, how to do it?? nobody knows
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    @Revolutioniz definition of wormhole In physics, a wormhole is a HYPOTHETICAL topological feature of spacetime that would be, fundamentally, a "shortcut" through spacetime
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    Right but you`re framing your argument on our current knowledge.
    No, the UFOlogists are framing it that way. They say that UFOs are advanced flying machines. With the technology I`m taking about, why the F*** would they need a flying machine? If there technology is godlike to use, then why does it seem so mundane?

    Reports of UFOs do not display the attributes we would expect of a civilization that can master interstellar travel. What attributes they do display are what you would expect from natural phenomena, hoaxes, and modern technology.

    Seriously madest, how can you attack religion as wishful thinking when you are guilty of that same type of thinking in regards to UFOs?
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    @Revolutioniz, no that is exactly my point. If they can instantly jump places, why the hell are they flying around in their saucers? This is the type of logic Michio Kaku uses. He takes bits out of context. You must put it in context. If they have teleport, they wont use flying saucers. If they can travel via wormholes, would certainly have the ability to remain unseen by us.

    Imagine if we had the motives ascribed to the aliens and we found a tribe of cavemen on an island out in the middle of the ocean that nobody has ever interacted with before. Could we observe them and remain unseen? Could we abduct them without them ever knowing they were abducted? If they saw a helicopter, would they think it was just a slightly advanced stone tool?

    The observations of UFOs do not match the reality of what a highly advanced civilization would look like. The observations do match our limited imaginations of what an advanced civilization would look like.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    @madest, just because it is unidentified does not mean it couldn`t be identified as natural phenomena, a hoax, or man made without more information.

    There is the exactly the same amount of evidence for God as there is for extra terrestrial visitation, ZERO. Show me one piece of evidence for E.T., just one. All you can show me is unidentified or misidentified evidence, not one shred of evidence for aliens. You are doing the exact same thing as the religious that you rail against.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    When I was in 9th grade I swore that the sun "blinked" . I mentioned it to my friend and she said she saw it too, so we went around telling everyone that the sun blinked and asking if they saw it too. anyway we swore it happened and told people, but that doesn`t mean it actually happened.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    Stupid sensationalist media... asking the wrong questions.

    At least it wasn`t Fox News, they`d be asking him if Aliens believe in God or some such bullsh*t.

    Anyway, his answer was he doesn`t know, and considering the irregularity and inconsistency of those "hard to dismiss/ genuine UFO" sightings, I`ll be content with "I don`t know" for now.

    Anyway, I saw a small flaw in Kaku`s logic, a species a million years ahead of us isn`t like comparing us to ants, rather us to, say, Lucy, or the ancestor posted here recently.

    We are not so small as ants, there is no question that this planet belongs to us, no matter how much the hippies may protest.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    Nothing to see here
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 12:51 pm
    @LillianDulci, it may have been a plane. Small enough, or high enough, to get lost in the glare of the sun, but big enough to momentarily block the sun and make it seem like the sun blinked.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 1:00 pm
    They are looking for civilization in space and found nothing yet.

    SETI

    the second hypothesis, they are already here and took control of all gouvernment (mind control). They planning on killing most of us too eslave us and take our natural ressources.
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    HeadiesRusH Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 1:04 pm
    @LazyMe484, you have no idea what kind of beings may be in outer space. You act as though you know what they look like or how they think. Fact is, they may very well be something completely beyond our level of comprehension. The universe is infinite and so are the possibilities for forms of life.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    Earth once was the home to what we would consider to be alien life. Dinosaurs lived 150million years here. Fish are pretty damn alien. I have no doubt there is alien life everywhere life can exist. Could there be advanced human-like life that is more advanced than we are? Absolutely. To think otherwise would be egotistical.
    Nobody here has said that E.T. doesn`t exist. What I`m saying is that there is absolutely no evidence that they have been coming here.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 1:33 pm
    95% are hoax
    5% are unexplained hoax
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    Authentic187 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    I like to keep an open mind when looking at stuff like this, because I cant prove that is true or false, but i like to keep inform, broaden my horizons. For people to think and stick with what they think is right, its just ridiculous. With all the galaxies out there and planets similar to earth there`s gotta be some kind of life out there. are they more advanced? possibly. But i never discard that fact. because we never really know what goes on up there.
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:20 pm
    Michio Kaku is my man!
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    Does anybody else think Dr. Kaku would make just the most excellent grandfather? I mean, he`s adorable, like a human kitten. :-D
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:07 pm
    I think the guy`s just trying to sell his book.

    Either
    1) aliens would so dwarf us technologically that we would have literally no chance of recording evidence of them if they didn`t want us to, or

    2) they don`t have technology capable of that, in which case there`s no way they would have the necessary tech (FTL travel for one) to get here in the first place.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Or to put it another way:

    Do I think aliens exist somewhere in the universe? Yes.

    Do I think they have ever been to Earth? No.

    Do I think we will ever meet another living sentient species? No.
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    Ani187 Female 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    I fully believe there`s life on other planets. Are you going to tell me that in the infinite reaches of space that it`s just us? Highly unlikely. Whether they`ve visited us, I dunno. Maybe they`re just as advanced as we are. People like to assume that aliens are going to be this super advanced race of highly intelligent creatures with crazy super powers, but maybe it`s just some dudes hanging out looking through telescopes and saying to themselves "I wonder if there`s other life out there".
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    i-am-ninja Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:23 pm
    "I think the guy`s just trying to sell his book. "

    It`s not his book.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    Because there are eyewitness accounts of UFO`s...Best religion can do is a piece of toast with a burn mark that resembles Jesus`s face.
    Well, there was a crowd of 70000 (including newspaper reporters) witnessed a "Miracle of the Sun" in Portugal in 1917 at a holy gathering where "witnesses spoke of the sun appearing to change colors and rotate like a wheel" showing visions of Jesus Christ. Or at Heroldsbach, Germany in 1949, where exactly the same optical effects as at Fatima were witnessed by more than 10000 people.

    Now don`t get me wrong, I think there`s some kind of mass hallucination going on, but that`s not the point: Why would you vehemently attack religious people as being somehow mentally deficienct and yet give credence to eyewitness accounts of aliens?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:33 pm
    Don`t get me wrong, I believe there`s probably life elsewhere in the universe, but I doubt it they`ve visited earth in flying saucers. Until I see a shred of actual evidence of alien visitation, I can give it no more credence than I can to the existence of gods.

    Crackrjak believes in God (specifically, the Christian God), you believe in little green men, neither of which have any evidence. Opposite sides of the same coin if you ask me.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:45 pm
    It`s undoubted that there is life *out there*.

    Wrong.

    We have absolutely no evidence of it at all. There is obviously room for some doubt.

    In our galaxy alone, there are an estimated 50 billion Earth-like planets, and a large number of those are within the Goldilocks Zone, some are even warm enough to keep liquid water.

    Neither you nor anyone else has any idea whether or not that is true. Either part of it, but particularly the "Goldilocks zone" part. We have a fair degree of accuracy in placing several hundred planets relative to their star. That`s it. To state as a fact that there are billions of Earthlike planets in the "Goldilocks zone" is simply wrong.

    Also:

    The only thing that zone indicates is that there is a possibility that the surface of the planet might be at some point between 0 and 100 degrees C at some times of the year.

    "Earthlike" in this conte
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:57 pm
    Gah, fake character limit strikes again:

    "Earthlike" in this context just means "a planet that is not a gas giant". It doesn`t mean it`s anything at all like Earth.

    It can be reasonably argued that there is a very high probability of the existence of people of another species on another planet:

    Premise: People can exist. Proven by our own existence.

    Premise: There are an extremely large number of star systems, at least 100 billion. Strongly supported by the available evidence.

    Conclusion: With that many "tries", there`s a good chance of anything possible happening, even if it is extremely unlikely.

    In case anyone says the 100 billion is too low - bear in mind I was referring to star systems, not to stars.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:05 pm
    Crackrjak believes in God (specifically, the Christian God), you believe in little green men, neither of which have any evidence. Opposite sides of the same coin if you ask me.

    Same side of the same coin if you ask me. Not even far enough apart to be on opposite sides. They`re both faith in higher power, without any real evidence.

    madest has some bad quality video of some blobs of light and crakrjak has feelings and miracles, but neither are real evidence.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:14 pm
    Well done, madest! You managed to completely ignore the actual contents of my post and just used a keyword to pop out something that you think is evidence for your point of view.

    In fact, it`s evidence for mine:

    i) 1 is not many billions. It`s silly to claim that it is. 1 in 550 is a very small proportion, not a large one.

    ii) Nobody who knows anything is saying that Gliese 581 is anything like Earth. That`s not what the term "Earth-like" means in this context. It`s just a planet that is not a gas giant. Mars is more "Earth-like" than Gliese 581, as is Venus.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    One of the planets, named Gliese 581g, has a mass of three to four times that of Earth and takes 37 days to orbit the star. Astronomers believe it is a rocky planet with enough gravity to retain an atmosphere.

    One side of the planet is always facing the star, much as one side of the moon constantly faces Earth.

    The average temperature on the planet is estimated to be between -31 to -12C, but the ground temperature would vary from blazing hot on the bright side and freezing on the dark side.

    Does that really sound like Earth? Couple of hundred degrees C on one side, minus a couple of hundred on the other? If there is an atmosphere (and there`s no way of knowing if there is or not), that temperature differential would cause constant brutal weather.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:22 pm
    On May 5, 2011, a team of scientists submitted a pre-print on the results of climate model simulations which further clarified under what conditions that planet d might be warm enough to support liquid water on its surface. At its current orbital distance from its dim red dwarf, host star, planet d receives "35% less stellar energy than Mars and is probably locked in tidal resonance, with extremely low insolation at the poles and possibly a permanent night side" and so could be subject to "global glaciation and / or atmospheric collapse." If its atmosphere has more than 10 bars (10 times Earth`s atmospheric pressure at sea level) of CO2 and and other gases (such as molecular nitrogen, or N2), however, three-dimensional climate simulations suggest that the planet`s global mean temperatures could rise above freezing for land as well as ocean-covered surfaces (CNRS press release; Wordsworth et al, 2011; and Jon Voisey, Universe Today, May 6, 2011).
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    Link to quoted text

    Does that really sound like Earth to you? Might have an atmosphere if it`s at least 10bar of CO2...like Earth? Really?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:25 pm
    Link to quoted text

    Does that really sound like Earth to you? Might have an atmosphere and might have liquid water if there is any water and if the atmosphere is at least 10bar of CO2...like Earth? Really?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    No I understood just fine. I like to watch you squirm and make excuses and stammer a demand about you being right. In fact I planned it. You`re not as smart as you think, you`re certainly no Dr. Kaku.

    You`re raving, fool.

    You post rubbish and I point out why it`s rubbish. That isn`t squirming or making excuses. It doesn`t require me to be smart - anyone who isn`t mentally retarded can debunk your twaddle, and I do mean that literally. Nor does it require me to be well educated - a trivial degree of knowledge and the ability to read is enough to debunk your twaddle.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:25 pm
    Ok, So I`ll keep looking. In the meantime I`ll run with the Theoretical Physycist if you don`t mind. You and CJ can work on the Gods thing.
    Eh? You know I`m an atheist. It`s no secret that I go further than that - I`m an anti-theist, insofar as I genuinely believe that the world would be a better place without religion in it (growing up in Northern Ireland will do that to you). Not a militant or strident one, but an antitheist nonetheless.

    As others have said, the probability of existence of life outside of earth is a very different question from intelligent alien races dicking about in our atmosphere in flying saucers.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:02 pm
    davymid: The difference is God gives me hope, I can pray to him, not just for me but for others as well, faith keeps people grounded and sane in an insane world.

    Dinosaurs and UFOs aren`t going to give anyone the kind of hope that faith provides.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm
    vv CJ, I don`t agree. Faith in God (of course, your particular God, insert religion here) might give you hope... hope of an afterlife, hope that things will be better someday, hope that someday you`ll be reunited with your loved ones in heaven. I`d rather have the facts.

    If I have terminal cancer and have 6 months to live, I`d rather have that doctor tell me straight up the facts. I don`t want him/her to tell me "it`s OK, it might get better". I want to know the immediacy of my situation so that I can fit all the things in I want to do before I die. To me, that`s the kind of `hope` that faith provides.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm
    Ironically, an advanced alien species visiting earth (ignoring the silly rantings about dinosaurs), who would have scientific knowledge of interstellar or even intergalactic travel, is very likely to have advanced science in terms of extending life, even immortality, and countless other blessings to relieve suffering and pain. So they may provide more good things than "God", who may or may not be there.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    Also (waxing philosophical here, forgive me), a lack of faith does not render someone immoral, or nihilist, or lacking any reason in life, as has been claimed before. I see it as quite the opposite.

    If this is the only life we have (as I believe), then it is all the more reason to live as good and compassionate and fulfilled life as one possibly can while being on the earth. It also encourages us to be conscientious with our environment, as we`re only custodians for the next generations. I believe there will be no Armageddon, no end-times when someone hits the reset button and we all live in Heaven (well, the ones that made the cut (again, insert personal religion here) to get into one`s particular heaven.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    I have a 5-year old daughter. Started Kindergarten this week. I spend every day with her as if it`s my last day I`ll ever see her, because it might be. Some call the atheist position bleak and dark, to me it`s eye-opening, beautiful and makes my life fiercely immediate.

    Carpe Diem and all that.

    p.s. sorry for quad!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    davymid: I seriously doubt any doctor is going to `blow smoke` at a patient over the diagnosis of cancer.

    Advanced aliens would not likely want to make friends with us, it`s more likely they would see our planet for our resources and enslave us, by force, to retrieve them. I don`t see much `hope` in that theory.

    It doesn`t cost for me to believe in my faith, and I don`t fear for the loss of my loved ones because I know in my heart I`ll meet them again.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 9:39 pm
    davymid: I seriously doubt any doctor is going to `blow smoke` at a patient over the diagnosis of cancer.
    You`re missing the point. As I see it, religious faith `blows smoke` over the fact that we`re born, we live our lives, we die.

    Advanced aliens would not likely want to make friends with us, it`s more likely they would see our planet for our resources and enslave us, by force, to retrieve them.
    Any civilization advanced enough to travel across light-years to meet us, would likely not be enamoured with our natural resources. There are stellar bodies out there made entirely of diamond. There are others made entirely of hydrocarbons. Why would they choose to rape Earth of it`s resources? This planet is nothing special. Special to us, of course, but to a advanced spacefaring race? I don`t think so.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 9:39 pm
    It doesn`t cost for me to believe in my faith, and I don`t fear for the loss of my loved ones because I know in my heart I`ll meet them again.
    How delightfully Disney of you. I, for one, don`t know that I`ll meet my loved ones again. But if you know it in your heart of hearts, then you go, Simba.

    On a deeper note, it DOES cost to believe in your faith. You think those c*nts that flew the planes into the Twin Towers did so for a laugh? No, Crackrjak. They were promised the very same Paradise you seek. Their method was drastically different, but the method of delivery of that message was the same: Organised Religion.

    Which is why I say: Sh*t it. Sh*t it out of you until you can sh*t no more.
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 10:14 pm
    I agree with every word Davy has said.
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:18 pm
    @Davymid
    Why do you feel so threatened by religion? Sure it tends makes people stupid. Beyond that it`s not very harmful. You have a set hate for it rather than a benign neglect.

    I feel sorry for your daughter. Growing up without spirituality... from a god or otherwise. I needed faith to keep me sane in my younger years. I hope you let her believe what she wants to, if not just for now
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    Double post:

    Of course I`m not referring to the infinitesimally small minority atheists constantly refer to as the religion standard. Nor am I referring to anything that happened around half a millennium ago.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:25 pm
    @Davymid... I feel sorry for your daughter.
    Steady, Tiger. Not what I said.
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    mvangild Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:45 pm
    Well, Crakr, dinosaurs give you the hope that your car will start tomorrow to take you to work. :)

    Davymid, Hawking said it himself that when explorers find a new place, things usually don`t go well for the natives. Sure, they might have all the things you say, but what makes you think they`ll share them with us? Because we`re so charming? We have nothing to offer a technically advanced civilization, aside from a few specimens to put in a zoo. The only other thing I can think of that would be of value would be a new supply of food. Diamond, hydrocarbons, water, all in fair supply around the galaxy. Carbon based lifeforms? Not so much. We would be powerless to stop it if they decided to take every last one of our carrots. :)

    Just trying to instill some levity here, people. But, if we ever encounter an alien species, I for one will be looking for the aliens` book entitled, "To Serve Man".
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    davymid: This planet is nothing special.

    Really ? Then why are spending so much time looking for planets nearly identical to our own ? Earth is indeed a special and rare type of planet.

    ...those c*nts that flew the planes into the Twin Towers did so for... the very same Paradise you seek.

    Not quite, I`m not going to martyr myself in return for an imams promise of 72 vestal virgins. Although islam is an offshoot of the root Abrahamic faith, their concept of heaven is rather different than the Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish view of what heaven is. Even the `delivery of the message` is much different.

    I know your experiences in Ireland has hardened you against religion, But you equating Christians with "those c*nts that flew the planes into the Twin Towers" is way off the mark man.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:51 pm
    mvangild: I`m pretty sure davymid will confirm with me that the petroleum recovered under the earth came from mainly ancient algae and plankton, not dinosaurs.
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    mvangild Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2011 at 12:18 am
    That`s right, Crakr, MAINLY from algae and plankton. But I`m thinking there`s still a possibility that there`s a bit of stegosaurus in your exhaust pipe right now. I mean, there was a LOT of biological matter laying around back then. Who`s to say what wound up where and as what?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2011 at 1:13 am
    mvangild: Considering how rare dinosaur fossils are to find, I disagree with the belief that `A LOT` of (dinosaur) biological matter was laying around.

    Back then, as now, animal carcasses are eaten and decomposed, by various means, back into the cycle of life. Algae and plankton however formed sedimentary layers and were not readily recycled like most plant life and nearly all animal life were.

    Yes, I`m a Christian that is scientifically educated and knows evolutionary theory and processes quite well. Dinos are not in my gas tank, that is what I would call a bit of petroleum mythology. Just like the myth that the earth will run out of crude oil in 50 years, it`s an oft repeated falsehood, meant to motivate people to spend large sums of public money into research.

    "You don`t ever want a crisis to go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel
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    Murrtastic Female 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 3:35 am
    did anyone else have a problem with the sound? I can barely hear it...
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    Personally, I think that advanced aliens pop by every once in a while and check us out. Why? Why do we study animal populations. Why do we study anthropology and paleontology? Same reasons perhaps, to study how "they" were, how "they" may have evolved.

    I do not care what anyone says about FTL being impossible, when we are discovering things like quantum entanglement, you cannot poo-poo FTL, psychic phenomenon or anything else.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    The difference is God gives me hope
    That`s fine. If you want to believe things because they give you hope, or make you feel good, go for it. I want to believe things that are true.

    I can pray to him, not just for me but for others as well, faith keeps people grounded and sane in an insane world.
    Ironically, talking to, or hearing the voice of, someone who isn`t there is a sign of insanity, such as schizophrenia.

    Advanced aliens would not likely want to make friends with us, it`s more likely they would see our planet for our resources and enslave us, by force, to retrieve them.
    As others have pointed out, any species with the technology to travel to earth would be able to harvest any resource they needed far more easily in space than from Earth. Anything we have could be found in far greater quantities elsewhere in the galaxy.
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    I`m impressed. Notaspy knows all there is to know about the universe! Someone call Stephen Hawking.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2011 at 7:58 pm
    davymid: The difference is God gives me hope, I can pray to him, not just for me but for others as well, faith keeps people grounded and sane in an insane world.

    Dinosaurs and UFOs aren`t going to give anyone the kind of hope that faith provides.

    Of course UFOs can - benevolent aliens with vast powers are no different to a god or gods in that respect. You can pray to them, you can hope that they will intervene and make everything lovely. What`s the difference?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2011 at 8:10 pm
    250,000 years from now the Moon is expected to spin off from the Earths gravitational pull and our planet is expected to wobble as a result.

    250,000 years from now the moon is expected to be ~9.5Km further away. ~1.000025 times as far away as it is now. What evidence do you have that it will "spin off from the Earths gravitational pull", since it will be experiencing almost identical pull from the Earth as it does now?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 8:19 pm
    Having checked, I see that it`s probably impossible for the moon to *ever* leave orbit unless something pushes it out somehow (a major impact, very powerful engines, that sort of thing). The further away it moves from Earth, the smaller the effect that`s causing it to move away (which isn`t gravity). Apparently it will stop well before the moon gets far enough away to escape Earth.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 16, 2011 at 9:49 am
    I`m impressed. Notaspy knows all there is to know about the universe! Someone call Stephen Hawking.
    Awww, poor Samsquanch, I must have hurt his wittle feewings when I pointed his stupid claims.

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