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139 Responses to 10 Myths Many Religious People Hold About Atheists

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    Link: 10 Myths Many Religious People Hold About Atheists - That are debunked.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    Religious debate in 5... 4... 3...
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:01 pm
    Wow Fancy you really impress me. So you really read our posts. You post this cause of discussion in Australopithecus Sediba thread?
    Please answer me one time.
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    maddux32 Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    Stupid article. If anything that article reinforces some of those stereotypes, and most of the one`s he left off the list. A more fun article would have been "10 Myths Many Athiests Hold About Those Who Believe in God."
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    dave32891 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:04 pm
    first time on this site in months and this is the first thing i see...now i know why i dont come here anymore
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    @maddux32 and those 10 myths are?
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    People actually believe this?

    Is atheism an underground thing in the United States?
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    MikeyNiv Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    It ends on a pretty funny note.
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    cyborg Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    i`m pretty sure #3 is true with about 95% of them
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    mervviscious Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:08 pm
    Wow, religious people are more delusional than I thought...
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    "Is atheism an underground thing in the United States?"

    Sadly so.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm

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    Pheeshy5 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    Haha, I like it
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    A more fun article would have been "10 Myths Many Athiests Hold About Those Who Believe in God."
    Such an article would provoke even more debate, if it could ever be written and legit.

    @Crabes that chart is from 2005. I wouldn`t be surprised if the numbers were slightly more... favorable now.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    Damn you are fast.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    While I hold none of these to be truths, I have always had a problem with number 4. Really, if you find no reason to believe in God, its okay, but don`t attack all religious people because a few of them told you you were bad because you are what you are. I could say the same thing the other way around considering the argument, but seeing as -most- of the atheists I`ve talked to have had a problem with religion in some way or another that comes across as obscenely rude (IE quotes from atheists such as "Religion is a crutch for the stupid and foolish" or "If you have to validate your existence by believing God has a plan for you, then you are a naive, childish human being."), I`m forced to judge one way until an atheist, on an individual basis, proves to me otherwise.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:29 pm
    Religion as always been used to control the mass behavior. Its obvious sometimes in history when human get knowledge, found the trickery and behave negatively because of the frustration
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    Apexs Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    I agree with a lot of what this list say`s myself. My mother who is a devote Jehovah`s Witness can`t seem to wrap her head around why I chose not to believe in god and she has quoted many of these things to me in the past. very well put together.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    Apexs the force is strong in you so.
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    ShamaziaV2 Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Well that was dumb, it basically just listed things and said they weren`t true...nice debunking there guys. Although none of those can be debunked or proven because you have to take them by the indvidual case.
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    mackin Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    I formally state my appreciation for using the word "many" in the title.
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    Justahuman Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    Guys stop arguing about what one man thinks Religious people hold against Athiests. THINK FOR YOURSELF.How can he speak for the religious masses if he is an athiest??
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    Selous Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    this bores me ... im off to rape something
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    1) He`s 100% right.
    2) Case by case.
    3) Case by case.
    4) He`s 100% wrong. It`s easily proven. Whites comprise over 90% of the Atheist population. over 95% actually. (Research elsewhere if you don`t trust the source).

    Everyone on earth: Stop itemizing. It`s scuzzy science. It`s bad statistics. It`s brainwashing. It is never an argument.
    5) No faith claims to be "a faith like any other". Type into google "X is not a religion" then try any religion as X. They all do it. That Atheism does it too "like any other faith" is not a good example.
    6) Atheists don`t have a moral code. It is an Amoral structure. This is not the same as immoral.
    However: under-represented in prison? Myth backed by chain email.

    7-10) He`s right.
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    Soo...boring...zzzzzzzzzz
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    Atheism is simply a prejudice - like all prejudices, it`s only purpose is to inflate the ego of those who identify with it, by tearing down other people.

    Homophobes and racists routinely produce simply lists of strawman arguments that they refute, while ignoring the real criticisms people have of their beliefs.
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    Rorschach_ Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    I don`t believe in atheism ....
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 3:41 pm
    Who the drat cares?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    Atheism is simply a prejudice - like all prejudices, it`s only purpose is to inflate the ego of those who identify with it, by tearing down other people.
    That`s just stupid. It`s like saying bald people are prejudiced against hair.

    Homophobes and racists routinely produce simply lists of strawman arguments that they refute, while ignoring the real criticisms people have of their beliefs.
    Okay... what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

    My mother who is a devote Jehovah`s Witness can`t seem to wrap her head around why I chose not to believe in god
    You can choose what you believe? How do you do that?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    The major thing that bugs me about all the atheists I`ve met is the smugness and condescension they`ve shown toward me personally and other people of belief (especially Christians).

    It`s as if they believe atheists are instantly more intelligent than any theist.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 3:58 pm
    The only one I disagree with (at least in my case) is #9. I still fall apart when having to deal with death. I am also, still so afraid of death because I do not believe in an afterlife.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:04 pm
    CrackJak, I will admit that I am guilty of this one time in my life. The girl sitting next to me in my first evolution lab at school was yapping on about how everything we had learned that week was wrong or just flat out lies. She did continuously in my ear for nearly two hours as we did our lab until I finally snapped. I poked out every flaw in her view of religion and the world as a whole for about 15min (no longer focusing at all on our lab) until she started to cry and left the room. The rest of our group just laughed.

    She changed groups the next week. I felt terrible for making her cry, but, if you dont push your views on me I won`t point out everything wrong with them.
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    username3415 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    as an atheist, i`m only afraid of the moment of death, not afterwards because there is no possible way you can really tell anything is going on afterwards.
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    username3415 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:15 pm
    plus, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is all based off psychedelic mushroom use. particularly the Amanita Muscaria. It is red and white like Santa, reindeer commonly eat it, it has a micro-riser relationship with the fir (christmas) tree, it makes you feel like God when you eat it, like you have a halo. There are also frescos (murals) on several European churches from a long time ago one with Jesus` head in the shape of a shroom. Also the dead sea scrolls tell of all these religions being about mushrooms use and fertility cults..
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    username3415 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    i can also add that the robes that church cardinals wear that are red and white are based off this mushroom. and if you think about it the cross can be loosely viewed as a fungus with a cap..
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:19 pm
    In b4 Heureux comes in to tell us all how atheism is simply a prejudi...

    Dammit, too late.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    @username3415


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    maxxim Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    Some of these aren`t really "myths", because they are true. For both some atheists and some religious persons. Atheists and those who follow a religion aren`t really any different. And many chose to wrongly force their views on others.

    I feel the worst for those who are either slightly religious or "still deciding" on their level of belief, or lack there of. For they are railed on by both sides, "not religious enough" or "what is there to think about, it`s obviously all fairytales".
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    That is well written and right on. I find it odd however that the Tea Party is more hated. Wouldn`t the people who hate Atheists be Teabaggers? So that would mean there are more of us than are them. Eat that CJ!
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    CCMA_19 Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    Atheists are out to destroy Christmas? Riiight, they`re all out to destroy a day in which we all get presents from family and eat a ton of awesome junk food. Uh huh, okay!
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    otso Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 4:42 pm
    well they`re right about the moral code.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:00 pm
    1) He`s 100% right.
    2) Case by case.
    3) Case by case.

    Odd. They`re all case by case because not all theists do any particular one of those things (and the article doesn`t claim that they do). So I don`t understand why you`re making a distinction or considering it a rebuttal to say that some of the points are case by case.

    4) He`s 100% wrong. It`s easily proven. Whites comprise over 90% of the Atheist population. over 95% actually. (Research elsewhere if you don`t trust the source).

    Even if it is, why do you think that proves that all atheists are "white" and male?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    5) No faith claims to be "a faith like any other". Type into google "X is not a religion" then try any religion as X. They all do it. That Atheism does it too "like any other faith" is not a good example.

    How is that a counter to the true statement that many theists say that atheism is a faith or religion?

    6) Atheists don`t have a moral code. It is an Amoral structure. This is not the same as immoral.

    AtheisM doesn`t have a moral code and it is amoral. The same is not true of atheisTS. Religion is NOT the only possible source of morality. I argue that religion is amoral and cannot be a source of a moral code. Religion is about obedience, which is not the same as morality.

    7-10) He`s right.

    Only in the same way as she is for 1-6, i.e. that all 10 are things that many theists wrongly believe about atheists.
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    DiePSPolice Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:01 pm
    @CrakrJak: So... do you believe that all atheists are as smug as the ones who show condescension towards you and other Christians?

    It`s simply a skewed selection of atheists you`re noticing, because all the non-smug, non-jerk atheists don`t care if you`re Christian or not, and aren`t badgering you about it.

    It`s just like how I`m an atheist, and though statistics say the majority of the people I meet are Christians, the vast majority of the ones I know for sure are Christian are the ones who are smug, high, and mighty about it, and trying to convert me by knocking on my door at @^$% 9:30 am on a weekend. WTF.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    Atheists are out to destroy Christmas? Riiight, they`re all out to destroy a day in which we all get presents from family and eat a ton of awesome junk food. Uh huh, okay!

    I just want a name change. Leave the name "Christmas" for the actual Christian rites and discard it for the secular midwinter festival that has nothing to do with Christianity - the drinking, the feasting, the partying, the gifting, the family gathering, etc.

    What those who object are actually referring to is destroying the power Christians gain by controlling the midwinter festival. Nowhere near as much as in the past, but it`s still power and such a power-hungry religion won`t let go of it.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:33 pm
    Angilion:
    My dear angilion. It`s all a matter of scope and scale.

    If I say "We`re not all terrorists", I mean that either the majority are not (99.98% IIRC are not), or that there is some fundamental contradiction in the way they are perceived, and the way it is being represented. (Muslim Americans are the least likely to support violence vs civilians of all religious groupings (gallup), and the British have the best teeth on earth).

    Not "actually 5% of us aren`t the stereotype!" (The same article discusses female ratios btw).
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    It`s as if they believe atheists are instantly more intelligent than any theist.

    You`re aware of the positive correlation between IQ and secularism? I`ve pretty sure I`ve linked you to it before (IIRC you rebutted with a similar correlation between religious inclination and EQ).

    I think the causal relationship (NB - my own extrapolation, I haven`t crunched the numbers or anything to prove it`s causal) goes the opposite way from what you describe here. Being an atheist doesn`t make you more intelligent. Being more intelligent makes you an atheist.
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    patridiot Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    I agree that CJ probably does experience some smugness from atheists. I also believe that people who believe in voodoo and superstitions experience some smugness from Christians and other religious sects.

    From my non-believing perspective, all religions are just another form of voodoo and superstition. Didn`t realize that I was among a group of people that was so hated, though.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    Angilion, you, by and large are logical.

    It should be fairly straightforward for you to see the several language fallacies in your statements.

    Example:
    "AtheisTS do not have A moral code"
    is functionally identical to
    "AtheisM does not have A moral code"

    It is functionally different however from
    "AtheisTS do not have moral codeS"

    Can they have moral codes? Yes.
    Can atheists (using the plural, designating them as a group) point to A moral code? No.

    Ergo, they do not have a moral code.

    That`s not actually a bad thing... the same could technically be said about theists as a whole (and arguably larger denominations).

    It just sounds bad, so you`re responding irrationally.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 5:49 pm
    Actually, Angilion, lets make this simpler.

    If he is saying "Theists say Atheists are X", you are in a logical quandry.

    Is he saying all atheists? Strawman.
    Is he saying all theists? Strawman.

    He is either saying both or neither, or you are cherry picking based on what is easier, looking up with doe-eyes at him, whilst sneering at me.

    "not all theists do any particular one of those things (and the article doesn`t claim that they do)"

    "why do you think that proves that all atheists are "white" and male?"

    Shutup. Are you talking in absolutes, or are you talking in general. I`m not about to bounce around on your whims.

    Saying there are no exceptions is a moron`s argument, and it is (yes, with few exceptions), a complete strawman.
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    reidcook1000 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:12 pm
    freedom to masturbate!!!
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    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    Thank you fancylad! I prefer not to get my ass kicked, so I keep mum on most of the ignorance on atheism. I`m more than a little ashamed of not standing up for what I (don`t)believe in. This does highlight many aspects of atheism that I wish all people knew. To quote John Stewart Mill from the 1800`s "The world would be astonished if it knew how great a proportion of its brightest ornaments, of those most distinguished even in popular estimation for wisdom and virtue, are complete skeptics in religion" I disagree very strongly with the idea that only intelligent people can be athiest, I find it presumtuous and mildy offensive, but the main idea of the quote, that there are many atheists, such as myself, who are scared to admit it, is spot on in my oppinion. Many atheists don`t like to make a big deal out of it, but theists tend to be belligerent about it and many atheists keep their mouths shut. They don`t like extreme ideas or conflict; with consiousness, humans should be ab
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    We don`t think atheists are rude because of their lack of faith. It isn`t hard to grasp that concept. We think atheists are rude, well.. mainly because people like madest and Angilion flat out insult Christians. Davy does this sometimes as well, but typically when the person is a moron in the first place.
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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    Here`s one truth about atheists --

    They like to make themselves out to be martyrs and victims. (Even more than Republicans.)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:09 pm
    madest: You`re are being less coherent than you are normally, and that`s rather incoherent to begin with. You`re making assumptions on top of your assumptions, then claiming victory ?

    Just how much dope did you have to smoke for that comment to actually make sense for you ?

    Sorry, I shouldn`t make the assumption you`re on dope, but your last comment sure seems like good evidence of it to me.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    You`re aware of the positive correlation between ---

    I just want to point out that correlation does not equal causation.

    Literally, there could be an infinite amount of reasons as to why the correlation occurs.

    source - basic stats class
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:13 pm
    Elkingo, Sheesh I get it. You`re sensitive. Gonna cross-post cry over our religious conversation? Look I didn`t mean to offend you. Can`t have a straight out convo with a stranger who can you be straight with?

    But you gotta see a bit of yourself in this post. It`s not all me.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm
    If he is saying "Theists say Atheists are X", you are in a logical quandry.

    Since she isn`t, I`m not.

    I`ll pick another at random:

    "why do you think that proves that all atheists are "white" and male?"

    Shutup. Are you talking in absolutes, or are you talking in general. I`m not about to bounce around on your whims.

    The statement being objected to was an absolute one. The existence of any exceptions would technically debunk it, but there are a large number of exceptions.

    I`m talking about the article. You don`t seem to be.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm
    It just sounds bad, so you`re responding irrationally.

    This is the first time I have seen a theist making that particular distinction.

    "Atheists don`t have a moral code" usually means "all atheists are amoral" or "all atheists are immoral".

    It wouldn`t be of any use as an attack if it was meant in the way you used it.
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    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:26 pm
    So, may we get a count? Who is and is willing to say they are athiest on this site?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:45 pm
    cobrakiller: I`m sorry about your lab partners preachiness, after all it was a science lab and she should`ve been prepared to handle it better than she did.

    It`s about respect, what she did was about as stupid as eating a hamburger in front of a hindu.

    I don`t drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs, so I stick out like a sore thumb at a party. I`m immediately assumed to be a L7 and then eventually pigeon-holed as a `goody goody Christian` within an hour. This has happened several times by people who`ve never even bothered to get to know me enough to even ask my name.

    I`m treated like kryptonite by atheists just by walking into the room, without even mentioning religion even once, I don`t wear a cross, carry a bible or do anything other than abstain. Now thankfully my friends know I`m cool, what people do at a party is their own business, so things haven`t got out of hand, but if there is an atheist in the room I`m going to get their ire most of the time.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    So, may we get a count? Who is and is willing to say they are athiest on this site?
    Well, I am, for one. And I used to be a born-again Bible-thumping Christian in my teens. Not that I would give a sh*t about admitting I`m an atheist, I`m a European living in Canada. I had no idea that atheists were so vilified in the US.

    One of my favourite quotes which sums up WHY I`m an atheist, from Stephen F Roberts: "I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:00 pm
    RAWR I HATE CHRISTMAS XD
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    skine Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:08 pm
    "I just want a name change. Leave the name `Christmas` for the actual Christian rites and discard it for the secular midwinter festival that has nothing to do with Christianity - the drinking, the feasting, the partying, the gifting, the family gathering, etc."

    If calling it Christmas bothers you because it has the name "Christ" in it, then I wonder what you call Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday, assuming you don`t believe in Tiu, Wodin, Thor, Frige or Saturn.
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    duckinfuh Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm
    Atheist reporting in.
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    draquoir Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm
    I`ll say that some are true, others aren`t, when it comes to myself. We`re a mixed bag, really.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:22 pm
    Religion on IAB... never saw that coming
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:24 pm
    Good one skine. :-)
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:34 pm
    "Elkingo, Sheesh I get it. You`re sensitive. Gonna cross-post cry over our religious conversation? Look I didn`t mean to offend you."

    Lol! How I did miss your generalizations and black and white thinking.

    This is a quite different conversation, this forum is about misconceptions about atheists. I utilized atheists I know on this forum to illustrate my point. If I were to go "cross-post" I would have copied and pasted examples of your rudeness to illustrate my point.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    "So, may we get a count?"

    Hmm... wouldn`t it be interesting to see IAB do a poll on religious beliefs. I bet it would show some rather interesting results.

    I promise to run stats on it if you run the poll IAB! XD
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    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    @Fatninja dude i saw that video of you. it was featured here on IAB, you were wearing an orange shirt and screaming at some guy for pulling in front of you.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    As an athiest, I`m not bothered by any misconceptions christians might have about me.
    It`s nothing compared to the misconceptions they have about themselves.
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    Revolutioniz Male 18-29
    911 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 8:49 pm
    @gerry oooh man Gerry over here, getting deep.
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    krisley Male 18-29
    525 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 9:15 pm
    I was Christian for most of my life, actually read the Bible and actually understood what it was about for around three years (ages 14-16 roughly) but a bit before my 17th my doubts that had been creeping up on me for a while were too much to bear and I stopped going to church three days a week. The death thing still scares the hell out of me a little bit, but it helps a little that I can be more confident about what I believe in now. Even as a Christian the idea of an afterlife seemed sort of wonko to me. Also, as the article said, not counting on a life after this one has made it easier for me to sit back and enjoy the time I do get. I`m definitely happier now than I was then.
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    krisley Male 18-29
    525 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 9:16 pm
    @Gerry buuuuuuuuuurn.

    And I think that in my last post where I said happier, I should have said more at rest and less anxious about life in general.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2011 at 9:16 pm
    Angilion it seems I owe you an apology. I generalized to you that you are insulting, and that was wrong of me. I discuss things on many forums, and it happens quite more often than not that atheists are rude and insulting. This is not the case with you. I reviewed several pages of forum posts on religious topics, and could not find one example were you were insulting. I do hope you can accept my apology, as I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I stereotyped you based on a false perception - for that I am sorry.
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    clockwork208 Male 30-39
    835 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 9:28 pm
    Amazing how we so often tout our opinion as fact, hmm?
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 9:44 pm
    Elkingo, bravo. Your humility is telling. No sly dig, no points-scoring. Angilion can be a f*cking ass-hat at times (yes, you Angilion), but it`s encouraging to see your level of compassion and understanding.

    Yes, I`m slightly drunk and should have been in bed an hour ago. But kudos, Elkingo. People like you are the reason Christianity appealed to me at a time. I think you have it about right.
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    MCMXCIII Male 18-29
    356 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 10:12 pm
    Hey, I`m an atheist and I have no moral standard.
    Is that bad?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 10:23 pm
    Religious nuts don`t really believe all that do they? How gullible can someone be. No wait...
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
    3770 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    i`m an atheist and i lead a normal, lawful, boring life. i have friends, a job, a future, and a past. i do not in any way begrudge anyone their religious beliefs or practices; i simply do not share them.

    however i do take exception with people who profess to be open minded and christian--or faithful of some other god--who would literally and figuratively spit on me and my beliefs, which by the way, i DO NOT flaunt like a flag. (i live in the bible belt; guess how popular i would be.)

    as i have read several times here and have repeated ad nauseum, religion is like a penis. its nice to have one, nice to be proud of yours, but you have no right to shove it down my throat or the throats of my children.
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    IrishJesus Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:10 pm
    For the polling, I`m atheist.

    Honestly, I like these religious debates. There`s likely no way these can end with any one side winning, but it`s all very interesting to see how people think. I`ve been treated like crap a lot for being atheist, but I`ve also seen a lot of condescending atheists belittle those who hold a religious belief. Madest, CrakrJak, Angilion, and everyone else here who uses logic to argue has my respect. Others that smear either side simply because they don`t agree with them can kindly go f*ck themselves.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 11:30 pm
    I am sorry, - most people do not believe in God- only since I started being friends with americans have I found so many people who actually do. there is a bit of a resurgence ( my village)here because of something called `The New Life church- guess what- american and I assume raking it in for someone.... believe what you will- but stop making it an issue and let it die out.
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    Justahuman Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    I`m Christian,for da poll.

    If i had to guess theres gonna be like 10% religious peeplz on this site MAX(that might be a bit generous).This is one of the few sites i visit to get a good chuckle.Theres so much pro Athiest propaganda,i guess it helps to have a sense of humor :)
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    MrLill Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2011 at 11:46 pm
    I am religious and I believe people are allowed to have their own beliefs. It has no effect on me personally if someone believes in something I do not. Just sayin
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    Justahuman Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 14, 2011 at 11:56 pm
    @MrLill- Word!

    Its just sad to see people always try to demonize each other,with common misconceptions and stereotypes,arguing instead of listening.we need to stop seperating people guys :(
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    RealBadNews Female 18-29
    31 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 1:05 am
    For the poll, I am an atheist.

    I`m glad that I live where I do (New Zealand) because (as far as I have found) people are generally respectful of others beliefs. I have never had anyone have a go at me for being an atheist. I find it slightly terrifying that these statistics exist because honestly I don`t understand why it`s so terrible to be an atheist?

    On another note I agree with IrishJesus about the religious debates. I enjoy the arguments raised by both sides.
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    som-tam Male 18-29
    713 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 1:13 am
    the reason that more and more people are becoming atheist is natural human tribe mentality. Exactly what made religion so popular in the first place.

    most people are followers, and respond well to flattery, so when they here `leaders` talking about how atheism is the intelligent choice it naturally sways them.

    oh, and about the artical; if you claim to disprove myths, you need facts and evidence. not `they say we do this but they do it more` arguments. 1/10
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 1:53 am
    "It`s as if they believe atheists are instantly more intelligent than any theist."-CrakrJak

    They are, simply because they know the difference between myth and reality.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2011 at 1:53 am
    Athiest reporting in btw.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
    378 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 1:58 am
    Som, that`s a pretty dismissive statement. I didn`t decide I don`t believe in god because smart people told me I`d be smart too. It happened over a long time, based on my own experiences.

    No one picks up a book about atheism as a semi-religious person and suddenly converts, having been swayed by clever writing. Pretty much only atheists read books about atheism. Hell, most of us don`t read them either.

    Honestly I didn`t even think the linked article was very good. The first red flag for me is the atom logo. Logo of the organization that has done everything in it`s power via lawsuits to piss off everyone they can for recognition. Because nothing is going to make us atheists look better than being litigious.
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    venners77 Male 30-39
    31 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 3:47 am
    I`m an atheist. I`m scared of dying though... the process... that and pain. That`s about all there is to be scared of right? Once you`re through the process you will have no way of feeling or conceiving anything so at least you know the pain and scaredness will end.

    To me it seems that pretty much all religions exist because humans can`t handle the thought of death - of not existing.

    I don`t generally condone preaching either for or against religion but the one thing that saddens me is the idea that people live this life as if it is a `waiting room`. What a waste of life. Life truly is miraculous and the more `science` I understand the more miraculous it seems.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    September 15, 2011 at 4:04 am
    Preaching to the choir. Get it? It`s a joke because atheists don`t go to church so they have no choir.
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    CaptainPabst Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 4:09 am
    @venners77 - You say you are an atheist who is afraid of dying? Think about this, if you are an atheist then you probably think after you die there will be nothing. Only problem, since nothing IS nothing, then it can`t exist. Therefor... neither does death! Woot! :D
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    Victim Male 70 & Over
    219 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 4:21 am
    @Gerry1of1

    does your ego ever stop making you look like a tool
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    815 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 4:41 am
    True, Gerry... although I do have an athiest friend who actually FITS a lot of these "myths". He really, really hates Christians and wants them to "go home" asap.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 5:03 am
    I just want to point out that correlation does not equal causation.

    Literally, there could be an infinite amount of reasons as to why the correlation occurs.

    I know, hence why I made it clear on the next paragraph that the causal relationship was my own extrapolation. I performed no controlled experiments, I did no p-tests to reject the null hypothesis, nor any regression analysis.

    I was merely pointing out to CJ that it would indeed be reasonable to assume a given atheist is more intelligent than a given theist, because there is a strongly observed correlation that the average IQ score of atheists is higher than the average IQ score of theists.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 5:11 am
    So, may we get a count? Who is and is willing to say they are athiest on this site?
    I am, although I was raised Catholic. There are quite a lot on here - it seems that, in contrast to RL statistics, the majority of online denizens are atheists. It seems to be the case across the majority of online communities I frequent.

    Perhaps people who claim to be theists IRL feel more comfortable professing their doubts in the safety and anonymity of the internet?
    Or perhaps atheists are simply more tech-savvy than theists.
    Or perhaps I should spend more time in online theist forums.
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    Vimto Male 40-49
    2852 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 5:13 am
    "So, may we get a count? Who is and is willing to say they are athiest on this site?"

    I`m an atheist, but not a practising one.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 5:16 am
    If calling it Christmas bothers you because it has the name "Christ" in it, then I wonder what you call Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday, assuming you don`t believe in Tiu, Wodin, Thor, Frige or Saturn.

    Lol yeah, I don`t get that whole thing. I don`t care that the days of the week or the planets in our solar system are named after ancient gods, and I don`t care that Christmas is called Christmas instead of Winter Solstice, because the religious element really has nothing to do with it anymore. Certainly not for me anyway.

    Think about this, if you are an atheist then you probably think after you die there will be nothing. Only problem, since nothing IS nothing, then it can`t exist. Therefor... neither does death!

    ... what? Death does exist, and there will be stuff happening after I die. Life goes on, I just won`t be around to experience it.
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    apedrana Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 5:26 am
    Atheists hold on to one true fact, that no religion in history has been able to prove.....
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 6:44 am
    If you want to believe in magic then that`s your business. Just don`t be prejudiced against me and try to force your religion on me. How about trying some of that turn the other cheek stuff that Jesus was always going on about?
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2011 at 7:12 am
    Atheist, above average intelligence reporting.

    Funny how things are, in the community I grew up in eyebrows were raised if someone admitted they were in any way religious.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 15, 2011 at 8:13 am

    @ Victim ~ if I said their misconceptions bothered me, would I seem more humble in your eyes?

    P.S. Tools are handy things to have around.
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 8:14 am
    That is complete bullpoo! I try to destroy christmas EVERY YEAR!
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
    303 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 8:32 am
    3) Atheists are aggressive and rude.
    This is debunked. Lol, I have interacted with some polite and reasonable atheists, but that is the exception. My experience online has proved this to me not debunked. Especially online, these people love to make fun of peoples most deeply held beliefs. And tell them how stupid they are for not believing scientific theories, and that nothing is possible that goes against our current knowledge of science.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 9:28 am
    As an atheist, I`ve never even given a fraction of a sh*t about Christmas. My main concern is, and always has been, Christians pushing to have their religious beliefs taught in school as being in anyway related to science or as an alternative to any scientific theories.
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    puppies04 Male 18-29
    686 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 9:42 am
    Qualityjay..

    3) Atheists are aggressive and rude.
    This is debunked. Lol, I have interacted with some polite and reasonable atheists, but that is the exception. My experience online has proved this to me not debunked. Especially online, these people love to make fun of peoples most deeply held beliefs. And tell them how stupid they are for not believing scientific theories, and that nothing is possible that goes against our current knowledge of science.

    Weird i have met some christians who don`t try to turn every conversation into a "why you should believe in god" rant while acting like they are morally superior to the rest of the world but they are the exception aswell and after telling them several times i also find their attitudes aggressive and rude aswell
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 10:53 am
    puppies04: In my experience, most christians (i am one), do not act morally superior to the rest of the world. In fact, we are taught that ALL mankind are sinners, but christians are the only forgiven ones b/c we accepted christ`s sacrifice. I know the high and mighty thing happens, but it is not the norm. One of my best friends is atheist.

    Christians will try to get you to believe in our god, what we believe. That is cause they believe you are lost (not because we think we are better.) This is done out of caring/love, too many ppl take offense to this.

    On the net, I have not seen more hatred toward a "religious" group than to Christians.

    I agree that state should not mix with religion. But to do things like, take the cross out of 911 site, take the word "God" off money. Why? Who cares, it`s not policy, doesn`t affect ppls lives.

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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2011 at 11:21 am
    @QualityJay i saw this comment many time :"I wish it was like old time and we could kill athiest"

    there is extremist in all kind of religion even christian(or non religion)
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2011 at 11:35 am
    i`m agnostic

    my concern is the christian tend to devilize the foundation of science (knowledge) which are the great theories like evolution. Now people say its absurb and its just a theory. But theories are mostly truth they are great idea that generate hypothesis and make the research possible.

    Believe what you want but dont take kownledge from people so you can make them believe (and control) what you want.
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    dirtysteve00 Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    @QualityJay`most christians (i am one), do not act morally superior to the rest of the world. In fact, we are taught that ALL mankind are sinners, but christians are the only forgiven ones b/c we accepted christ`s sacrifice.`
    no contradiction there?
  113. Profile photo of Justahuman
    Justahuman Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    Atheist is mostly a North American/European thing no?
    so they pick apart Christians because were the closest(and because we seem weak,an easy target for lions)i`d like to see them grow some balls and and run around with pictures they drew of mohammed in the middle east in front of Muslims,and debate with them.Well.... they would if they really believed in what they say,they don`t.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    @dirtysteve It is not morally superior to be forgiven. If I commit murder, I am a murderer. If I commit murder and am forgiven of it, I am still a murderer. It`s the belief that there is only one way to receive forgiveness. Therefore we believe we are blessed, not better.
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    QualityJay Male 18-29
    303 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    @crabes You have a point. But Christianity TEACHES tolerance, unlike some other religions. But yes, there are extremists in all, just alot less in Christianity.

    Also, even if Christians demonize science, it is up to the individual to decide what to believe. They are not "taking" knowledge away.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Atheist is mostly a North American/European thing no?
    No. 59% of China self-identifies as non-religious, some 19% of Australia and 35% of New Zealand, between 70 and 80% of Japan, 16% of Russia, similar percentages to the USA in Argentina, Chile etc.
    The only regions with little to no atheism are Africa and the Middle East.



    But Christianity TEACHES tolerance, unlike some other religions.
    Please do tell which religions and where they teach intolerance, because I`m confident I can match you holy-book-quote-for-holy-book-quote using the many, many intolerant parts of the Bible.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    i`d like to see them grow some balls and and run around with pictures they drew of mohammed in the middle east in front of Muslims,and debate with them.Well.... they would if they really believed in what they say,they don`t.

    I`d like to see you grow some balls and go round the Middle East in front of Muslims telling them their religion is a sham, Muhammad was not a prophet, and that the only path to salvation is through Jesus Christ Our Lord who died on the cross for their sins and rose again after three days.

    You would if you really believed in what you said.
  118. Profile photo of Justahuman
    Justahuman Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 5:27 pm
    "I`d like to see you grow some balls and go round the Middle East in front of Muslims telling them their religion is a sham, Muhammad was not a prophet, and that the only path to salvation is through Jesus Christ Our Lord who died on the cross for their sins and rose again after three days.

    You would if you really believed in what you said."

    I wouldnt say its a sham because i have RESPECT for others beliefs,I have never read the Quran so i cant say anything about it,I can relate with atheists because i also used to believe in nothing,had fun in twisting the bible to make others feel stupid.And i would tell them Jesus christ is my lord and savior because i cannot and will not deny Jesus,and if they do kill me im ok with being sent to my creator :) Jesus gave me big balls death doesnt scare me.

    dont try to turn it around on me cause you know its true,Athiest pick on Christians cause they know they dont fight back.
  119. Profile photo of Justahuman
    Justahuman Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 5:29 pm
    "No. 59% of China self-identifies as non-religious, some 19% of Australia and 35% of New Zealand, between 70 and 80% of Japan, 16% of Russia, similar percentages to the USA in Argentina, Chile etc.
    The only regions with little to no atheism are Africa and the Middle East."

    lemmie guess you got that on the internet??
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    I wouldnt say its a sham because i have RESPECT for others beliefs,I have never read the Quran so i cant say anything about it
    Your religion requires you to believe all other religions to be false, i.e. shams. It`s the first commandment (and, depending on your particular flavour of Christianity, the second too).

    And i would tell them Jesus christ is my lord and savior because i cannot and will not deny Jesus,and if they do kill me im ok with being sent to my creator :) Jesus gave me big balls death doesnt scare me.
    Likewise, I would not pretend to be a Muslim to escape punishment if I were to find myself in some Middle Eastern country. I would tell them I do not believe in Allah or any god, and explain why if they asked.


    But that`s not what you`re saying. You`re saying I should be seeking them out by going there, but you won`t go there yourself and preach the Good News (out of love, because they`re not saved, right?).
  121. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    lemmie guess you got that on the internet??
    Well of course. I didn`t travel across four continents and ask.
    But I can cite sources from people who did, if that`s what you`re trying to imply.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm
    Athiest pick on Christians cause they know they dont fight back
    Never heard of the KKK eh? How about Scott Roeder? Shelley Shannon? James Kopp? Clayton Waagner? Paul Jennings Hill?

    American and European atheists, probably the only ones you have ever interacted with, predominantly talk about Christianity because that is the religion they are most familiar with and is the most common in the countries they live in.
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    Justahuman Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 5:55 pm
    "Your religion requires you to believe all other religions to be false, i.e. shams. It`s the first commandment (and, depending on your particular flavour of Christianity, the second too)."

    Haha i could say the same about you my friend!,Even if that were true i still have Respect for everyone.You prolly think i hate gays and tell them they belong in hell right?...cmon man

    "But that`s not what you`re saying. You`re saying I should be seeking them out by going there, but you won`t go there yourself and preach the Good News (out of love, because they`re not saved, right?)."

    Nope, just sayin Atheists in the states,and Europe are more prone to poke holes in peoples beliefs.They hold up steroetypes in high regards seperating the people.If you an athiest,Be comfortable with it in your own right you have it allllll figured out... why do you have to prove anything or make fun and poke holes in peoples beliefs?You have to stand up for nothing?
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    Justahuman Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 6:02 pm
    Everyone is capable of hate and ignorance Christians islam agnostics athiest,people think Christians have a preconcieved notion of im better than you or im perfect in my faith....Everyone is human everyone sins....you forgot about the Crusades,I understand that the Westboro baptist people believe in the same things i do!!! i wonder whats the difference between me and them?? And its that they lost site in the true meaning of Jesus and the bible.
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    Justahuman Male 18-29
    109 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 6:04 pm
    Lol KKK was formed by a bunch of scared white people who thought the blacks were going to have an uprising and take over the Americas,so they killed educated African Americans.They also hate colors when Jesus is Middle eastern xD
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 7:21 pm
    If calling it Christmas bothers you because it has the name "Christ" in it, then I wonder what you call Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday, assuming you don`t believe in Tiu, Wodin, Thor, Frige or Saturn.

    If there were large numbers of followers of Norse, Teutonic or Roman religion around today and they were claiming days of the week as their own and attaching particular importance to that, then I`d be saying the same thing about the names of the days of the weeks.

    But there aren`t, so I`m not.

    It`s a matter of accuracy and politeness. Give the religious stuff a religious name and the secular stuff a secular name. That way, nobody has mislabelled stuff to bother them.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 7:25 pm
    Hmm... wouldn`t it be interesting to see IAB do a poll on religious beliefs. I bet it would show some rather interesting results.

    I promise to run stats on it if you run the poll IAB! XD

    That could be a complex job because it`s fairly common for people to use different definitions for the same words.

    For example, I am an agnostic atheist. Many people are adamant that the two words are mutually exclusive because they`re determined to have a new definition of both of them. In fact, they`re supposed to be about two different things and thus don`t contradict each other at all.

    I`ve even seen people who think that Catholics aren`t Christians. I`ve no idea why, but there are people who (re)define the words that way.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 7:26 pm
    Angilion it seems I owe you an apology. I generalized to you that you are insulting, and that was wrong of me. I discuss things on many forums, and it happens quite more often than not that atheists are rude and insulting. This is not the case with you. I reviewed several pages of forum posts on religious topics, and could not find one example were you were insulting. I do hope you can accept my apology, as I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I stereotyped you based on a false perception - for that I am sorry.

    I`m impressed. Also, I certainly accept your apology. No worries.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 7:47 pm
    I understand that the Westboro baptist people believe in the same things i do!!! i wonder whats the difference between me and them?? And its that they lost site in the true meaning of Jesus and the bible.

    Do you realise that they would say the same about you?

    The big change between the extreme horrors caused by Christianity in the past and the lack of them today isn`t that Christianity has changed. It`s that it has far less power than it used to. Power and religion is a horrifying mix that inevitably leads to oppression and evil if enough power is involved. Not because theists are inherently evil and/or deranged, but because the ones who end up running the show will be the ones who seek power the most and want it in a way that is amoral and gives then divine authority (i.e. religion). A random parish priest ~500 years ago might well have been kind and compassionate, but he wouldn`t have been challenging Torquemada for power.
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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 7:58 pm
    Im glad the mods on this site can still find time to argue with the religious posters in the forums.
    Don`t ever change I-A-B :)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2011 at 8:26 pm
    Atheist here, and I`m not even scared of the process of death.

    Mostly because I plan to live fast and not see it coming in the first place.

    I wanna be doing something, smiling and happy one moment, then *BAM* drop on the floor and make everyone around me sh*t themselves and look for a place to hide the body.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 9:45 pm
    For example, I am an agnostic atheist. Many people are adamant that the two words are mutually exclusive because they`re determined to have a new definition of both of them. In fact, they`re supposed to be about two different things and thus don`t contradict each other at all.
    I`d like to offer this, made it myself:



    Angilion, I`m also an agnostic atheist. Most Theists I know are in the opposite corner, Gnostic Theists. They know their religion is right no matter what. Most atheists I know are agnostic: show me the evidence. In my case, show me evidence, and I`ll convert 5 seconds ago.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12151 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 9:49 pm
    Unfortunatley, most religious people tend to fall in the "Gnostic Theist" quadrant. Which I find hard to defend, logically, philosophically and scientifically.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    September 15, 2011 at 10:11 pm
    ...atheists recently lost their spot as as the most disliked group in America to the Tea Party.
    As soon as I read that, I knew the entire article was complete bull$#!+.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 16, 2011 at 1:39 am
    davymid: Most people that you would call gnostic theists are likely ones that have witnessed a miracle, and what I mean by that is, a Jules Winnfield in Pulp Fiction kind of miracle. I don`t normally use movie references, after all movies are fiction, but it`s a reference most people will know immediately. An unexplainable fortunate happening, a perceived `divine intervention` of a disaster averted.

    You`d likely call those incidents just `dumb luck` or random chance, but to the people involved, who are religious, they see it as a miracle and proof of God`s existence.

    I`ve never tried to use the miracles I`ve witnessed as `proof of God`, to anyone else, I can`t prove that God`s hand came down and manipulated the situations involved, it`s just a gut feeling inside me.
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    akabane Male 18-29
    1093 posts
    September 16, 2011 at 2:37 am
    As for point number 6, i was curious on the fact on who set the ground rules for "moral code." How much is too young for sex?

    www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

    Who is right?
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5606 posts
    September 16, 2011 at 8:13 am
    Actually, I DO have a war on Christmas.

    The same f*cking 50 songs, played OVER and OVER, for the last 100 years!

    F*CK YOU, CHRISTMAS!!!
    F*CK YOU IN THE EAR!!!

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36172 posts
    September 16, 2011 at 8:41 am

    "But Christianity TEACHES tolerance, unlike some other religions."
    You mean those christian preachers who blamed the recent earthquake AND hurrican on gay marriage? Is that the tolerance you were speaking of?
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    HiEv Male 40-49
    621 posts
    December 4, 2011 at 12:07 am
    @CrakrJak: Actually a universe where NO unlikely fortunate events occurred would be evidence FOR the existence of a god. A universe that HAS unlikely fortunate events is simply one where 1-in-a-million events happen occasionally when there are millions of opportunities for that to occur. That`s not evidence of any god, let alone your particular one, that`s just regular old statistics and probability in a large pool of data.

    @akabane, the answer is that none of them are always right. The age of consent varies from individual to individual based on mental competence. Picking one age is just a way of simplifying things legally. Serious psychological research would have to occur to pick a better means of deciding when consent should be allowed, and that would be a tough research project to get past an ethical review board.

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