Operation: Iron Snare: I-A-B, Is This Entrapment?

Submitted by: fancylad 5 years ago

Georgia cops put the sting on a bunch of dead-beat dads who didn"t pay child support. They tricked them with sports tix.
There are 64 comments:
Male 25,416
Simpsons did it!
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Male 102
I call false advertising on this post. This is not entrapment. Just because the police setup a trap doesn`t make it entrapment.
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Female 734
@LazyMe Condoms are cheaper than child support and that decision IS in the man`s control
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Female 734
I want to be one of the people cheering out front.
LOL at the last guy "do I still get my tickets?"
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Male 10,440
[quote] The woman has to pay child support if it`s the other way around, what`s your point? etc etc..[/quote]

Nope. The woman can choose to get an abortion well ahead of time. My point is that the woman has all the power in this no matter how you look at it. Therefore it doesn`t make sense to force the man to pay child support if he didn`t agree to the kid in the first place.

[quote] But he is 50% responsible for it`s creation. [/quote]
Not really. He`s 50% responsible for it`s conception. Big difference.
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Male 453
I can`t believe people are still falling for this sting. It`s about the tenth one I`ve seen footage of....
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Male 978
LOL AT THE FIRST GUY!
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Male 59
This isn`t Georgia. This is Opelika, AL. The largest city near Auburn (but it`s still pretty tiny). And this is the best idea ever. We get Iron Bowl tickets every year and they are like gold in Alabama. We`ve sold some relatively crappy tickets for as much as 1,000 a piece before.
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Male 868
Didn`t they do this in an Al Pacino movie with Yankee tickets???
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Male 10,845
@agentsmith

WRONG

The first case IS NOT entrapment because the suspect was ready and willing to commit a crime i.e. purchasing narcotics.

The second case IS entrapment as it is implied the suspect believed he was buying something innocuous (chocolate coins) when in fact he was buying a narcotic that was wrapped in a similar fashion. As you put it he was tricked. The idea of commiting a crime came from the officer.
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Male 718
Entrapment is trying to GET you to commit a crime, then arresting you when you do. this is just being sneaky to catch some worthless non-nice individuals. hahaahha
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Male 187
Not Entrapment
*Cop Leaves a Rigged Bait Car
*Suspect Attempts to steal car
Cop: You`re Under Arrest!

Entrapment
*Cop Leaves a Rigged Bait Car
Suspect is just walking by the car
Cop points a gun at the suspect and orders him to go inside the car
Cop: Your under arrest!
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Male 224
Probably cost all of $5 to print up and send the letters, $50 to set the joint up to look like a celebration then just fill it with cops wearing sports jerseys they probably already owned. Thats budged law enforcement right there.
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Male 330
Ha ha ha. FAIL.
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Male 759
OP should be required to use a dictionary before using any words. ANY WORDS!
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Male 27
@cajun247

"NOT entrapment:
Cop: "Wanna buy some weed?"
Suspect: "Yeah $50 worth"
Cop: "You`re under arrest!"

Entrapment:
Cop: "Wanna buy some `chocolate coins`?"
You: "I`ll take 50 of those."
Cop: "You`re under arrest!""

your first example absolutely could constitute entrapment. This is exactly the reason that police don`t do stings where an officer is selling drugs to a random person. FWIW something similar could occur but in a much different manner. Any halfway decent lawyer could get the case either thrown out or convince a jury that your first example is entrapment.

Your second example isn`t even close to entrapment because he wasn`t compelled to do anything. If the example you gave is exactly how it looks, he was tricked into it.
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Male 621
Thats awesome and totally legit, even though arrest never really helps put money in the hands of the family. And how many of those arresting officers are guilty of the same thing. Oh well, at least my boys don`t swim. HA
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Male 543
The crime had already been committed. the police saved on gas money and let the criminals come to them
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Male 4,793
Not even kind of entrapment.
This is just cops being smart and getting the criminals to come to them instead of having to go find them.
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Male 10,845
You know what fine I explain how being `lured` can constitute entrapment:

In both of the following examples you`re actually buying marijuana.

NOT entrapment:
Cop: "Wanna buy some weed?"
Suspect: "Yeah $50 worth"
Cop: "You`re under arrest!"

Entrapment:
Cop: "Wanna buy some `chocolate coins`?"
You: "I`ll take 50 of those."
Cop: "You`re under arrest!"
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Male 10,845
@IAB PLEASE READ!!!

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD IT IS WHEN YOU ARE >>>COMPELLED<<< TO COMMIT A CRIME NOT MERELY LURED INTO IT!!!
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Male 2,988
I agree trippyhippy9. The cops are doing a good job here.
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Female 119
As a mother that is owed 45,000+ in back child support, I find this HILARIOUS. Over the years my ex has had his support lowered to 25 bucks a month, at times, and he still did not pay it. My ex would go months, and sometimes years without paying, yet I have had to feed and clothe my son during those times. I HAD to find a way to buy food and school supplies. I did not have the luxury of saying "I can`t afford it right now"
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Male 1,920
"Arrangements like this aren`t made without just cause."

Actually the Friend of the Court is one of the most notorious Government agencies for trampling on people`s rights, and taking action without due process. Once the Friend of the Court has made up their mind, it also takes and act of God to change it. A friend of mine had his wages garnished, and was told he owed $35,000 in back child support for a child that was in his custody. He had to hire a lawyer and it took 3 yrs to get it settled.

Take a look at these:
Man jailed for not paying support of another man`s child

Owes $52,000 for child that i
Male 311
is it the bubbly pop music in the background that makes it feel so wrong?
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Male 792
No. It`s not entrapment. Entrapment is when a police officer convinces you to break the law, then charges you for that offense.
For example, innocent Joe walking down the street, drug dealer comes up to him and says, "Hey, wanna buy some crack?"
Joe says, "No."
Guy says, "C`mon, man. Here, how `bout I give you some free stuff..."
Joe says, "Fine, whatever. Just leave me alone." Then takes the crack.
Guy says, "You`re under arrest for the possession of crack-cocaine."
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Male 10,845
@Rawrg

You`re example would mean that many drug busts police engage in are illegal. Entrapment includes a police officer compelling you to commit a crime and arresting you for it. In order for a case involving `luring` so to speak you have demonstrate you were `lured` to do so under false pretenses. So if a cop asks to buy weed from you and you agree that`s not a false pretense ergo not entrapment.
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Male 559
Wow. I don`t get a chance to say this much, but....

The cops are doing a good job here.
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Male 3,472
"If it sounds too good to be true... it probably is."
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Male 3,472
Buyer beware!!!
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Male 296
I`ve seen this before but they targeted more than just deadbeat dads. It got pretty good results to.
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Male 934
It`s actually quite brilliant.

1. It gets people to prove who they are to claim the tickets, that way they know they`re arresting the right person and not harassing an innocent person.

2. They`re making the arrest in a controlled setting with lots of officers around so the suspect cannot flee or harm others around them.

3. They`re going after people who are actually harming other people, ie people who spawn children and then abandon them.

4. By putting this on the news, it lets deadbeats know that the police are putting time and energy into find them. It may motivate some of them to get current on their payments.

5. Entrapment is the police convincing someone to commit a crime that they would likely not commit without the support of the police. Usually through some unrealistic offer, like "Hey, I need some weed, and I`m willing to pay $250 for an eighth of schwag. You know anyone who could help me out?" Then they arrest you
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Female 144
whoever thinks this is entrapment doesn`t know what entrapment is legally.
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Female 144
that clapping and festivities is kinda cruel...
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Male 815
No, it is not even close to being entrapment, this would be called an innovative policing technique, to try and get all of the persons who had been dodging them to come to one location. It honestly probably saved a lot of time and resources doing it this way.

Now is it a little bit douchey? I`d like to think so. I`ve seen similar stings without the balloons and Van Halen. I for one would never want to be arrested whilst Taylor Swift was playing in the background.
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Male 38
Q: Is this entrapment?
A: No. This is the state utilizing valuable resources in order to compel people to live up to personal responsibilities.
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Male 10,845
Not that I`m a supporter of the drug war mind you.
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Male 10,845
@Rick S

Cops are doing drug busts where they pose as drug dealers/buyers. If your definition is correct then said "drug busts" are illegal.
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Male 250
This is so sick. What about people that can`t afford it or don`t wan`t to spend that much money on their spoiled brats?
I mean the parents should support their kids but not at all costs.
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Female 6,381
"Oh, wow! I jiss won game tickets in a contest I din even enter!"
"Duzzin that sound kinda weird, hon?"
"Baby, yo` so `spicious of ever`thing! I`m gonna go pick `em up. I`ll be right back!"
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Male 688
Paperduck, that`s what happens when you try to murder your ex and child. All rights taken away must have done something severe. Arrangements like this aren`t made without just cause.
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Male 1,745
These cases can be really weird. I know a guy who gets money taken out of his check every week and he`s not allowed to see or even know the whereabouts of his own kid. Apparently, the woman got remarried and the kid thinks the new man is his dad, so the judge deemed this arrangement most appropriate. That would drive me insane.
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Male 11,740
I`ve seen a lot of stories like that where people with a warrant "win prizes" to get them to show up. If they broke the law and won`t come in on their own, I say go for it. They still need to get their punishment, and people who do anything to children are the worst scum. It was surprising to see a woman on the list.
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Female 143
hahahaha good, serves the bastards right lol
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Male 688
It`s actually a great idea.

They`ve already committed the crime so it`s not entrapment, this is just a way for the police to get them under arrest.

Wouldn`t be so controversial if it were murders & rapists they were bringing in.

Getting bad people off the street - GOOD!
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Male 286
This is extremely cruel... he was so happy that he won, you can basically see him die when they arrest him. The first guy I mean. (resisting urge to tell about the way they treated the men opposed to the woman)
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Male 599
I could have sworn I saw this on a TV show about a decade ago.
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Male 138
The whole issue of support aside, these operations are just embarrassing. The job of law enforcement is not a fun time, happy place for LEO`s, this just trivializes and builds more distrust towards police.
Having grown around both national and local law enforcement, employed at one time as a public servant and knowing a few still actively employed;
They know they are A-holes, but they need a pay check just as much as the next person.
This crap just lowers everyone involved...
"Do i still get my tickets"..priceless..and sad..
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Female 20
en·trap·ment
   [en-trap-muhnt] Show IPA
noun
1.
the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.
2.
an act or process of entrapping.
3.
a state of being entrapped.

SO....NO it is not b/c they are not making them commit a crime
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Male 379
Screw `em. They should have taken responsibility. I have no pity for them.
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Male 2,033
How the hell is this entrapment? They weren`t tricked into committing a crime, they were tricked into going where it was easy to arrest them.
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Male 238
NOOO. i submitted this yesterday and fancy took the credit! that makes me sad :(
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Male 29
It was Alabama not Georgia. ROLL TIDE!
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Male 37,888

In some states, the husband is legally declared to be the `legal father` even if she cheeted and it`s someone elses baby. He can be ordered to pay child support. The only way out of it is if you can get the real father will sign an Acknowledgment of Paternity form {if you know who he is}.

If you were told to pay support for someone else`s kid, but refused to, does that make you a dead beat dad?

No, this is not always the situation. I`m just sayin` keep you mind open on this issue till you know who`s the babydaddy
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Male 177
I agree with whocares3725. As entertaining as this was, was it really necessary? Why not just go to their front door?
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Male 3,314
"I agree. The guy should have the full right to be absolved of any child support if he doesn`t want the child."

But he is 50% responsible for it`s creation. Given that he`s man enough to make the baby, he should be man enough to take care of it. I`m not saying he has to be in the child`s life at all (although, I can`t understand why he wouldn`t want to be!), but he should be contributing to the baby`s financial needs.

"I believe the word you`re searching for is `compel`, not `ask`."

Do they have to go so far as to compel, or is "That car over there is unlocked. Wanna steal it?" enough for entrapment?
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Male 2,440
[quote]I`ll just throw this in there... If women have total control over the fate of their child before birth, then men shouldn`t be forced to pay child support.[/quote]
I agree. The guy should have the full right to be absolved of any child support if he doesn`t want the child.
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Male 310
Why do they need to trick them into doing this? Why not just knock on their front door and arrest them?
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Male 2,486
@LazyMe484

The woman has to pay child support if it`s the other way around, what`s your point? The guy helped create it, whether he wanted to or not, he should have known the risks involved with having sex. Or used better protection.
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Male 10,845
[quote]Is this entrapment[/quote]

Nope


@Rick S

I believe the word you`re searching for is `compel`, not `ask`.
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Male 10,440
I`ll just throw this in there... If women have total control over the fate of their child before birth, then men shouldn`t be forced to pay child support.

Husband: I accidentally knocked you up two weeks ago
Wife: That`s true, and it was completely consensual
Husband: I don`t think we can afford this kid.
Wife: Too bad, it`s my call, and we are keeping it for reason X.
Husband: I disagree.
*fight for whatever reason*
*divorce*
*kid is born*
(Husband is forced to pay child support)
... wtf??
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Male 47
Okay, one was a dead beat mom but, more importantly, the dads were black.
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Male 3,314
Not entrapment. Entrapment is when the police or law enforcement asks you to commit a crime, then arrests you for it.
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Male 19,840
Link: Operation: Iron Snare: I-A-B, Is This Entrapment? [Rate Link] - Georgia cops put the sting on a bunch of dead-beat dads who didn`t pay child support. They tricked them with sports tix.
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