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111 Responses to Matt Damon Defends Teachers Against Dumb Reporters

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:08 am
    Link: Matt Damon Defends Teachers Against Dumb Reporters - I know everyone comes down hard on teachers so it`s nice to see Damon have their back.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:15 am
    I love his last sentence about the camera man.. Pure win right there.
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    RPossum Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:15 am
    lol maybe you`re a pooty camera man. AWESOME
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:17 am
    Sh|tty salary ? $50,000 a year is sh|tty? Long hours ? 8am to 3pm is long hours, plus a nice 2 month paid vacation ?

    I`m wondering why Matt is bald right now, Recent brain surgery ? With that answer it`s a definite possibility.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:18 am
    Was the stupid news crew from FOX?
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:19 am
    That`s classy and completely accurate. Maybe some people who worship the views of celebrities will get something positive out of this and get their heads out of their asses.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:23 am
    Sh|tty salary ? $50,000 a year is sh|tty? Long hours ? 8am to 3pm is long hours, plus a nice 2 month paid vacation ?

    Crakr, you just keep proving to us that you`re a moron.

    Most teachers don`t make anywhere near $50k. They`re lucky if they make $30k, many make less.

    8am-3pm is just when the students are there. The teachers have to get there early and stay late. Sometimes they work 12+ hours dealing with grading papers and preparing lesson plans.

    They also don`t get 2 months off. They get about a month. They have to work past the last day to get things finalized for the previous year, and they go in at least 2 weeks early for meetings, setting up their rooms, and getting ready for the upcoming year.

    Next time know a little about what you`re saying before you open your mouth and show your stupidity.
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    Clayboy Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:33 am
    CrakrJak, you`re pretty ignorant if you think teachers work from 8am to 3pm. Yes there are some bad teachers out there, but most good teachers work long hours. How do you think they get prepared for the following day?
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:36 am
    People do their jobs for one of 2 reasons:
    1) because they love their vocation, and would even do it for free
    2) because it`s the highest paying job that their skill level allows.

    Those who are in it for reason #2 are in their jobs for the wrong reasons, and they really should give up their positions for those who want to do the job. The financial aspect should be the ends to a mean, not the means to an end...that is, your pay should be your bonus for doing something you love.

    However...there are a lot of people in every job out there who only do it for the money, and only do the minimum amount of work required. But, that`s true for teachers, actors, cameramen, and even plumbers.

    I`ve had pooty teachers who were only their to collect a paycheque. Yes, it sucked royally to have those classes...but, the teachers that were there because they loved teaching more than made up for it.
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    emAeye Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:41 am
    I`d like to add to freddyferret @crakrjak:

    Most teachers also have to buy supplies out-of-pocket for their classrooms, and many choose to teach summer-school in order to make ends meet. Not all teachers get paid over summer breaks.

    It`s a tough freakin` gig.
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    BexyWexy Female 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:43 am
    CrakrJak:
    UK school, but my dad was a Teacher. He was up/dressed by 6am, the only reason he never went in early to school was down to the fact he drove both me and my bro there in the mornings. Frequently we`d get home 5:30-6pm after school, later if he had staff meetings. (not walkable distance)

    He worked the weekends grading papers, and setting up the following weeks work, he`d work the evenings to finish any work he hadn`t managed to get done during the day time. He "worked" after we broke up for summer, and he was always back at "work" a few weeks before we headed back.

    He most certainly did not get the equivalent of £30k a year for all of his work. He only did it because he loved the job; wanted to be able to teach children good knowledge for their future careers. Also in the end, he got f**ked over with a terrible pension.

    This is public schools, which the majority of teachers are in. They do it cus they love it, but sadly,
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    BexyWexy Female 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:46 am
    (cut off)
    But sadly the bad money and hours are not what they deserve.

    The amount of crap that teachers have to put up with the kids going through schools now, means the job should come with hazard pay!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:54 am
    OOOPS! They cut him off after the cameraman made a point he couldn`t defend.
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    demonveteran Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:55 am
    haha matt damon put the reporter and the cameraman in their place. nice job jason bourne, now do a roundhouse kick on both their faces.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:01 am
    Sh|tty salary ? $50,000 a year is sh|tty? Long hours ? 8am to 3pm is long hours, plus a nice 2 month paid vacation?
    CrakrJak is just puking up the lies that he digested from Fox News during their coverage of Scott Walker sh|tting on Wisconsin teachers.
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    TokioKoos Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:02 am
    To add to what people have been saying: more teachers burn out than most other professions. If it was so easy and with all the holidays and all that, why would that happen? It`s one of the most stressful jobs there are. I should know, I`m one of those burnt-out teachers. I`m only 28 years old
    but I feel like I`m 82.
    And for people who have your children under their care for more hours a day than you yourself see them awake, we should reward them a lot more.
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    TokioKoos Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:04 am
    And go Matt Damon!!!
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:11 am
    "OOOPS! They cut him off after the cameraman made a point he couldn`t defend."

    The cameraman didn`t make a point, he made up a statistic that doesn`t exist and was made to look very, very stupid.
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    Joolin Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:13 am
    I think it`s pretty safe to say that all teachers start teaching because they want to teach, but not all teachers continue to want to teach. There are a lot, and I really mean a LOT of teachers out there who teach with all their hearts for years, but eventually they just get burned out and jaded. By that time, they`ve been at the school for 30 years and they`re too old to start looking for other careers, so they just scrape by doing the absolute bare minimum because they know they can keep the job until they retire. THAT is the problem with ed policy right now. We need systems in place to help people in these kinds of jobs find other work and make room for a new generation of teachers who haven`t burned out yet.
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:16 am
    He repeats the lie that teachers make low salaries. I have data on the individual salaries of each of the 200,000 public school teachers in Pennsylvania. The median salary (excluding administrators) is 1.6 times the median salary for non-teachers. Plus they have tenure. Plus they teach for 9 months of the year.
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    Justin9235 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:28 am
    Two points for Matt Damon.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:43 am
    @Paddy: This happens more often than you think.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:51 am
    "poopy pay"?? WTF! Twice what I get.
    "long hours" ??? WTF! 9-3 get paid for 8 hours, 8+ weeks vacation AND tons of inservice days too? Matt needs to lay off the cocain, eh?
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:52 am
    Here in canada teachers get paid more than 50k. They`ve actually got it pretty sweet... so I`m not gonna defend them.

    Suffice to say if you want to teach AND you get a job, you`re set.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:05 am
    @Ant

    Once you factor in dealing with whiny brats, you`d think they don`t get paid well either :P
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    OutWest Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:05 am
    We all support teachers, but with that support what we are really doing is supporting a massive labor union that is very powerful.

    All good teachers deserve to be paid well. As do good plumbers, electricians, salespersons, and businessmen.

    So, enough with separating and putting on a pedestal public employees (unions) for special treatment. This also applies to Police, Firefighters and Military personnel. It`s a job and career they chose with huge benefits that are seldom matched in the private sector. Do they also need all of us to tell them how wonderful, caring, brave and giving they are by making that choice?

    Matt is just a die-hard Northeast Liberal.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:06 am
    OOOPS! They cut him off after the cameraman made a point he couldn`t defend.
    What point did he make? 10% of actors are incredibly sh*tty, but they can still get jobs in B-movies, right?

    On top of that, it`s a BS statistic pulled out of his ass. It`s like saying "62% of statistics are made up on the spot" in demonstration.

    Sure, there`s sh*tty teachers, but there`s also sh*tty bosses working at companies that make it through because they`re amazing suck-ups, sh*tty cooks working at Bob Evans and burning the hell out of my bacon, sh*tty... Well, 10% of just about any worker-type can be sh*tty and still have a job for one reason or another.

    And teaching jobs SUCK. I`m willing to bet that not a single one of you people complaining about teachers have ever sat in as an assistant or student teacher or anything of the sort. You just eat up the propaganda and bitch.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:08 am
    @Altaru: I am actually on my way to becoming a teacher.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Bad pay? The averate teacher in California earns $60K. Newer ones less, older ones more. I sold cars and we loved Military, Government Employees and Teachers `cause of the pay scale.

    My neighbors are both teachers in the public school system. They own their home and 2 condo`s they use as rental properties. Poor my dyin ass!

    Yet every year the schools rank lower and lower and fail us more and more. In LA 50% of students will not graduate. But if we go to Performance Pay teachers just fake the scores for better performance evaluations as we saw in Atlanta.

    America is broken at every level.

    Atlanta School Cheeting Scandal
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:16 am
    @Altaru: I am actually on my way to becoming a teacher.
    Then I hope you never have to deal with a student like me. Or some of the other people I saw around my old high school.

    You`ll understand why the job sucks.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:30 am
    70% of actors are lousy. 50% of teachers. But that was in my day and most of them are dead now. The old saying is, "If you can, do. If you can`t, teach. If you can`t teach, act."
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:35 am
    Starting salaries for Boston city public service jobs:

    Firefighters: $52,000
    Teachers: $46,754
    Police: $46,000
    Medics: $45,000 (this was an average salary, couldn`t find the starting salary)
    Army (enlisted): $17,611
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    Random3 Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:39 am
    Finally a celebrity says something semi-intelligent. My mom works in inner city Akron, and is a special-ed teacher so she makes a little more than the average teacher. Even though she makes pretty good money, she is still struggling financially. almost half her salary goes towards the mortgage, her taxes are the highest in the county, not to mention utilities, car repairs, house repairs, groceries,... I could go on and on. In Ohio they are trying to pass something called senate bill 5. It will take away half of her salary most of her healthcare, and destroy the union. Unions can be a bad thing if they are not run right. Also to the guy complaining about how much money teachers make in California, the cost of living in California is TRIPLE of what it is in most states. a house worth $150,000 in Ohio is worth anywhere from $250,000 to $450,000 in California. So you might want to think about that when you say that they are overpaid.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:53 am
    i guess 50k a year is pooty for that rich guy
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 11:58 am
    I like Matt Damon. Liked him even more after what he had to say about Sarah Palin.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:02 pm
    @BexyWexy
    Agreed. Even when you`re older and you aren`t a son/daughter of a teacher, some of the more mellow teachers talk about pay being low. But you ask them why and it`s because they enjoy it, it doesn`t give them decent pay though.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    @Random3 - I live in SoCal, the most expensive place in the country, so I am well aware of the high cost of living. But you made my arguement for me - that couple in my post own 3 homes in this HIGH cost of living area.... so they aren`t exactly "poor struggling teachers" are they.
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    Scott_2150 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    MATT DAY-MUN!!!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:23 pm
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    kj36 Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    "Maybe you`re a pooty cameraman, I dunno!"
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    @Gerry1of1

    Any argument you could have potentially had disappeared as soon as you brought up the average pay for California.
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    gbrzeatetee Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    It`s sad how the same people argue that teachers shouldn`t have job security but that it was ok to spend bailout money on Wall Street`s bonuses despite them crashing the economy, and having multi-million dollars golden parachute is A-OK.
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    Matt is one of the smartest people in Hollywood right now, he gets a bad rap a lot of the time.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    SephirothA83 "@Gerry1of1 - Any argument you could have potentially had disappeared as soon as you brought up the average pay for California"

    Oh please, do clarify. {I can`t wait for this one.}

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    perviggo Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 1:04 pm
    MATT DAMON

    Yeah, I know. But i had to
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
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    August 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    @Random3,
    You said yourself that she makes pretty good money.

    These teachers talk about doing it for the love of teaching and in the same breathe ask for a pay raise. I listed the starting salaries of a firefighter, teacher, emt and enlisted soldier. Teacher was the 2nd highest, behind firefighter.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    I don`t begrudge teachers earning good money. It`s an important job. But it does bother me that they earn that money while the school systems fail by every measurable standard. Test scores down. Comprehension and reading skills fail, drop out rate increases, violence in the schools.

    I would love to have a job that paid $60K a year, with full benefits, 3 months paid vacation and no accountability to fulfill the job description.

    When they can show they are successful as teachers I`ll apologize profusely. Till then, I`m pointing the finger of shame at them.

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    icaruschild Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 2:15 pm
    I feel the need to state that there are indeed some in my profession who coast along. Occasionally I have even seen those who downright should NOT be teaching - and have brought the matter up with the relevant people. However, in defence of the majority of people I have had the honour of working with...

    Holidays - we do indeed get a nice holiday. I have spent today at a science camp organised by lazy teachers who dont care for their kids and have no interest in genuinely giving them an education (oh wait, we were all unpaid volunteers).

    Hours - I have spent entire nights marking, planning lessons and making interactive resources for my students.

    Lack of accountability - I can`t speak for my collegues in the US, however in the UK we get regularly observed, both within our departments and externally.

    It is a tough job, with stress and abuse (not just from the kids!) and I would like to see some teacher-bashers survive any of my year 10 science class
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    icaruschild Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    (Gets off of her soap box) :)
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 2:17 pm
    Wow... hes actually a smart cookie!
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    my dad taught high school biology for 44 years with 40 of those years as a coach. during that time, i have constantly heard him talk about the lack of effort, the not giving a poo of kids, and their unwillingness to learn. he said it has practically turned into a daycare. if people want to blame the schools and teachers, they might want to first look in the home and the lack of discipline. the resources are given at the schools, it`s just up to the students to utilize them to their advantage. he also said that there are teachers who have no business teaching because they weren`t any good. i am all for teachers getting paid for what they`re worth, but it`s really hard to do so when you have five or six fxck ups who disrupts the class so nothing can be taught properly. that in turn makes the teachers` overall progress report look bad and keeps them from getting a raise. so what schools end up with are teachers doing just enough to teach while teaching enough not to get fired.
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    cjk718 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    A child`s good education begins at home.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    matt damon
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    Random3 Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm
    @number43 My mother DOES love teaching. That`s why she does it.
    And you obviously did not read my whole comment. When people talk about teachers being overpaid they fail to realize all the expenses that they have.
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    Cruddup Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    I`m a teacher and I would barely get by if my wife didn`t work. I think we should actually invest in shrinking class sizes and more professional development before we start criticizing teachers.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 3:04 pm


    MATTDAMON!
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 3:05 pm
    "So we`re already spending $10,000 a year per student, how much is enou-"

    "More."
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 3:17 pm
    freddyferret: All your points were bullpoo, Teachers have higher starting salaries, in most states, than police, firefighters, paramedics, and our military men and women. I`ve never known a teacher to arrive early or stay late, especially if they have tenure.

    Most teachers grade papers while their next class are taking their tests, Lesson plans are given to them at the beginning of the school year and are included with the school books as well.

    Teachers do not `set up` school rooms, janitors and maintenance workers do all the moving including hauling in supplies. The `meetings` last about an hour or two and usually union meetings where they gripe about their ample pay.

    My uncle was a public school teacher that left and became a parochial school teacher, I`ve spent a summer cleaning and readying classrooms in 100ºF heat working for school maintenance.

    So please tell me how hard teachers have it, I know better.
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    Wowummwow Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    @Craker the troll

    To become a full teacher these days in many states it requires:
    (a) A bachelor`s degree
    (b) One year of prerequisites
    (c) One year credential program
    (d) Two year induction program

    So after eight years of school I would hope teachers make more than an occupation which requires 0-2 years of education.

    Oh and schools don`t hand over lesson plans. Many simply toss you in a classroom where there are more kids than chairs, half the time without books.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    some teachers are great, others are not and many more good teachers cannot get jobs right now. so fire the bad teachers and hire the good unemployed ones... oh yeah we can`t do that because their unions are in place.

    ditch the unions, give teachers more money, and make them pay for more realistic benefits similar to those of private sector workers.

    we are no longer in 1950, unions are no longer needed to achieve equality and fair treatment in the workplace.
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    Kittycat101 Female 13-17
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    August 2, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    @baelxar at first i thought you said BATDAMON!
    i laughed D:
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    Rawrg Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    Can we stop all this working class hero bulls hit with teachers already? Everyone acts like they all work 12 hours a day, and they don`t get Summer plus every bank holiday and weekend off. They also get paid pretty well, typically starting out at around 40K a year with steady pay increases and benefits on top of that salary. Their jobs can be difficult, but guess what, everyone`s job has stuff about it that sucks.

    Speaking as someone who works an average of 10 hours a day with their hands in a skilled trade, I don`t pity teachers. I think they`re just like any other working stiff. They should be accountable for their jobs just like I am, and as long as they`re federal employees with a union shielding them from virtually all responsibility, that isn`t going to happen.

    Matt Damon didn`t make any valid points here. Yeah yeah, he doesn`t have to worry about competition because he`s Matt Damon and has made a name for himself.

    Side Note: This reporter was
  63. Profile photo of Rawrg
    Rawrg Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    ... an idiot. She really didn`t represent libertarians well. That said, Reason.tv is a pretty piss poor representation of libertarians in general.
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    Marshmallow_ Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 5:31 pm
    Whenever I see this guy, all I can think about is him going `MATT DAMON` in team America...
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 5:32 pm
    Crakr:
    I`ve never known a teacher to arrive early or stay late, especially if they have tenure.
    Bullsh*t. Nearly every teacher I`ve had (which is quite a few, considering I had to take an extra year and never had an empty slot on my schedule) arrived early every morning, and many stayed late or taught night/weekend/summer classes. Apparently you never actually watched the teachers you were around. Not that that`s surprising, you aren`t very observant anyway unless it complies with your world-view.

    Lesson plans are given to them at the beginning of the school year and are included with the school books as well.
    Again, bullsh*t. Most, if not all teachers I`ve known set up their own lesson plans before the start of the year. Let me ask you: if every teacher received and followed a generic lesson plan then how do you explain wildly varying test scores, among other details?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    Teachers have higher starting salaries, in most states, than police, firefighters, paramedics, and our military men and women.
    I should also hope so on this detail. After all, teachers HAVE to go to college. The rest just need a high school degree and some basic training, which they get on the job.

    Don`t you always argue that doctors deserve their pay because they went to school and all that?

    Why doesn`t the same concept apply to teachers?

    I`d also like to ask how many of those "average salary" polls include the teachers with their Master`s Degrees, who get paid a ton more because they continued their education. You know, like a doctor.

    Good teachers deserve good money. Bad teachers don`t. But not a single point you`ve brought up is a good reason to punish every single teacher, especially when you consider some of the sh*t they have to go through dealing with kids of today.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    Wowummwow: When my uncle became a teacher it was his way of retiring from his profession, which was a computer programmer. He got his teaching certificate rather easily and was hired immediately as a high school math teacher, needless to say he was shocked at the number of his students that couldn`t perform even remedial math and went about not only teaching them, but the higher math classes as well.

    The teachers with practical experience outside of just education make the best teachers. Today teachers just get a `teaching` degree and that`s pretty much it besides the `induction program/assistant teacher` position.

    What`s hilarious is that who replaced my uncle, when he retired, was a woman with an English degree, in other words she wrote poems, and was promoted to being a math teacher.

    His old school`s average SAT and ACT math scores have been abysmal ever since.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 5:46 pm


    Markust123 - "The real agenda is to get voucher programs implemented so that more kids can go to religious schools and be indoctrinated into being good little Republican holy warriors"
    School Vouchers? Okay, let`s go there.
    Private schools are famous for low pay for teacher yet consistantly have vastly higher scores and the children are educated better. Not because "god" is taught but because a bad teacher is FIRED if they don`t do their job and teach the kids. Also because the Teachers Union can`t stick their fat fingers in that pie and screw it up.

    Public Schools profit from Vouchers. I`ll make the numbers easy. School gets $1000 from parent in property taxes. Parent takes kid out and gets $500 tax voucher... school profited $500 for a kid who isn`t even there.

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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 6:03 pm
    needless to say he was shocked at the number of his students that couldn`t perform even remedial math
    How much of that can be blamed on the students and their parents rather than the teachers?

    You think taking everything from the teachers or throwing the kids in a private school is suddenly going to make them give a sh*t?

    You don`t deal with children much, do you?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 2, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    Private schools are famous for ... consistantly have vastly higher scores and the children are educated better.
    Again, how much of that is on the students and their parents?

    If a parent sees that the local public school district sucks, and actually cares about their student`s education, they pull the kid out and put him in a private school. That`s a sign of a caring parent, and on whose kid will grow up well educated and successful.

    By comparison, think of how many parents today think of school as a glorified day-care center for kids they just don`t want to deal with. How is a private school going to help with that situation?

    All vouchers will do is leave the little sh*t-bags behind for the public teachers to deal with while the good kids and parents do what they`re already doing: busting their ass to get a good education. Difference? They`ll be in a prettier building.

    What`s broke is American society.
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    Rawrg Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    @Altaru:

    Blow it out your ass. Stop taking a few anecdotal experiences and treating them as if every teacher out there comes to work before they have to and stays later than they have to. Morons like you perpetuate this myth that teachers are all underpaid martyrs for the good of the children.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 2, 2011 at 6:10 pm
    All vouchers will do is leave the little sh*t-bags behind for the public teachers to deal with
    Or, even worse, the little sh*t-bags will start getting into private schools and f*cking them up too.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 2, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    Stop taking a few anecdotal experiences and treating them as if every teacher out there comes to work before they have to and stays later than they have to.
    Tell Crakr to stop doing the same, only about teachers not.
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    Wowummwow Male 18-29
    265 posts
    August 2, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    @Crakr

    Some time ago they did allow certificates for those who retired from engineering/aerospace positions due to a simple lack of teachers. Since NCLB there have been changes and those simple "certificates" do not exist anymore. Yes rules are different from state to state but in California a bachelor`s degree is required before entering into any credential program.

    As for myself I have multiple degrees (dual math/physics major) and had a choice of either going into aerospace or four additional years of school and a 33% pay cut to be a teacher.

    Oh and to clarify... the two year induction program is not being a teacher`s assistant, look up BTSA.

    As far as the math part goes... he`s lucky their first language was English.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 7:02 pm
    haha treated their lives
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 7:30 pm
    Why are reportes dumb? The fact they are not asking an expert on the question to begin with. Face palm!
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    Weakmonkey Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 8:35 pm
    the end is hilarious. "Well, maybe you`re a pooty cameraman, I dont know"
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2011 at 8:37 pm
    How much of that can be blamed on the students and their parents rather than the teachers?

    Sure, home is a factor. But kids know what that can get away with and behave when made to, and listen and learn. I`f they can`t handle it because the kids have homelives, then quit teaching and get a job where "performance evaluations" mean something.
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    Rheaonon Male 18-29
    363 posts
    August 2, 2011 at 8:43 pm
    "Maybe you`re a pooty camera man, I don`t know"

    BOOSH!!!
    Big brownie points for Damon here.
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    Rheaonon Male 18-29
    363 posts
    August 2, 2011 at 8:46 pm
    Ok, just read about the "private vs. public school" argument. Yes many private schools get much better test scores and the students get a much better education, but the parents are paying for that education. Also on the other hand I have seen many students come to a public highschool, and they have little to no social skills. They are pushed to do their work and get good grades, but they do not interact as much as they should with their fellow students.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 8:55 pm
    Gerry said: "Public Schools profit from Vouchers. I`ll make the numbers easy. School gets $1000 from parent in property taxes. Parent takes kid out and gets $500 tax voucher... school profited $500 for a kid who isn`t even there."

    Um...no. At least not here in Floriduh after Ricky Scott took over. Now it`s more like " School gets $1000 from parent in property taxes. Parent takes kid out and gets $2500 tax voucher... school loses $1500 for a kid who isn`t even there." They`ve also proven that kids who go to private schools on vouchers don`t do any better on test scores thab kids in public schools.
    As I read both yours and CJ`s opinions about PE, it occurs to me that both of you might share that "why should I have to contribute towards someone else`s kids` education?" Republican Philosophy. If that`s the case...we got a ltta posting to do...this could get fun. he he
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:15 pm
    @Altaru - Crakr is just an idiot troll. We need to start ignoring his stupid ass. Everything he says is uneducated bull##it he`s pulling out of his ass. He has no clue and he either doesn`t care or he`s just trolling. I`m not responding to any of his moronic comments anymore. I`d suggest you and everyone else do the same. He`s either flat stupid, delusional, a troll, or a combination of them all.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2011 at 9:31 pm
    PARENTS

    you are the reason why todays kids are failing. you fight to lower standards wherever you can, you fight the schools when they try to discipline your children, you fight everything and DO NOTHING to take responsibility for your children.

    our teachers are not the problem, it is the parents, plain and simple and if this offends you GOOD, because most likely you are a pooty parent and it should offend you.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2011 at 10:50 pm
    "What`s hilarious is that who replaced my uncle, when he retired, was a woman with an English degree, in other words she wrote poems, and was promoted to being a math teacher."

    Then your uncle was teaching grade 9 or remedial math class, a teacher without math as their teachable subject wouldn`t be allowed to replace him in any other position.
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    kcpd2050 Male 40-49
    330 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 12:01 am
    That reporter didn`t understand half the words Matt Damon said. She probably blames her teachers.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 12:30 am

    @ jtrebowski - sucks to live in Florida huh
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36668 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 12:32 am

    @ jtrebowski - No, I have no problem contributing to the public school system via taxes. Those kids are gonna support me in my old age an dammit they better learn a thing or two.

    Actually, my son-the-law-student will be footing the bill for me and I`ll hand my social security checks over to him. did I mention he`s in law school?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 12:38 am
    Altaru: If you were trying to convince me that the younger generations are spoiled rotten wannabe gangsta rapper douchebags, well guess what, you convinced me.

    Now where did this attitude start ? Perhaps from permissive liberal teachers that lack discipline and real teaching skills. Perhaps some of it is from their parents and modern culture as well, there is plenty of blame to go around.

    Parochial schools get results because of strict discipline, uniforms, and teachers that care, even when that students parents are morons.
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    kittehdee29 Female 18-29
    803 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 1:40 am
    @I-IS-BORED, you`d be surprised how many schools hire teachers because they need them and put them in a subject that wasn`t their major. THAT is a big reason teachers are "bad," because they`re not teaching the subject they know.
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
    759 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 2:35 am
    @Random3,

    I read your whole post and I wasn`t implying your mother didn`t love her job. You`re saying that 1) your mother gets paid well. 2) she can`t afford her lifestyle and your summation is that she`s not paid well enough.

    Except that`s not a pay scale problem. That`s a problem with her budgeting and fiscal responsibility. As I pointed out in my original post teachers were the 2nd highest starting salary of Boston City public servants. All of the people in those jobs can be expected to have the same or similar expenses (mortgage, children, car payments, health insurance, etc.) So are you telling me that Teachers have more expenses than other people because of their jobs?
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
    685 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 7:02 am
    "Now where did this attitude start ? Perhaps from permissive liberal teachers that lack discipline and real teaching skills. Perhaps some of it is from their parents and modern culture as well, there is plenty of blame to go around."
    no it started when we took away the ability of schools to employ corporal punishment. also, socially i am liberal, i believe in a great deal of freedom of thought and expression, but freedom must be governed by personal responsibility, and i think that is where it is all going wrong. we as a race tend to work towards fulfilling our desires before we take the time to consider the impact on the world around us.also also, uniforms actually increase the ability of the individual to express themselves, as opposed to expressing fashion designers.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 7:59 am
    If you were trying to convince me that the younger generations are spoiled rotten wannabe gangsta rapper douchebags, well guess what, you convinced me.
    Good, you learned something.

    Perhaps from permissive liberal teachers that lack discipline and real teaching skills.
    And around one sentence later, you lost the point entirely. It has nothing to do with the teachers. It has to do with the parents that have taken away every opportunity for the teachers to actually TEACH, since they aren`t allowed to punish students or the parents will rage, they aren`t allowed to hold students back if they need to or the parents will rage, etc.

    Everything falls back on the parents. Even the success of private schools falls on the parents, because the parents pay for the education, they`re going to make sure the kid gets it.

    You`re no better than the parents who blame the teachers for their failures.
  93. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 8:05 am
    So are you telling me that Teachers have more expenses than other people because of their jobs?
    As a matter of fact, YES, they do, seeing as teachers HAVE to go to college. I said before, most other "public servant" jobs require a high-school diploma and some on-the-job training. That`s it.

    A teacher is required to have completed a certain amount of time in college, which means loans and other higher-education related expenses. Also, if they further pursue their education by getting a Master`s, then that means even MORE education-related expenses.

    If they went for the education, why shouldn`t they be paid more? It`s like that with any other job, isn`t it?
  94. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 8:08 am
    Parochial schools get results because of strict discipline, uniforms, and teachers that care, even when that students parents are morons.
    Parochial schools achieve success because the parents are forcing the kid into it and paying their ride, so the parent is going to make sure the kid gets the education they paid for. On top of that, most kids who go to Parochial schools have been raised with the ideals in mind that are enforced within the school to begin with. See: Parents.

    Also, private schools are allowed to kick out trouble-makers, which naturally makes them look better since they can weed out the bad ones.
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:19 am
    I`m a high school science teacher so this holds a special place in my heart. I can tell you that I had to take all of the same classes as the pre-med kids and in fact I had to take calc. based physics where as the pre-med kids didn`t need calc. based. I have to continue my education to the point that I can`t anymore so either a PhD or principal certification. I will earn half as much as all the pre-med kids and I`m fine with that because I love seeing the faces of the kids when they "get it."
    I am getting my room ready right now, and yes I get my room ready not the custodial staff; they just clean it for me. I am making powerpoints right now and refining some of my less successful lessons (learn from your mistakes people). In the real world I get about a month off at best, but I don`t think its that much. I will make a grand total of $31,000 this year. I`ve already spent about $500-600 on classroom necessities even before the year started. I usually work about 10 hours a
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 8:24 am
    My neighbors are both teachers in the public school system. They own their home and 2 condo`s they use as rental properties.
    Also, I`m amazed it`s taken me this long to get to this point...

    How well do you know this couple? Do you know, for a fact, that they used their teaching salaries to buy these two condos, or is it possible that they already owned the condos and teaching is just a side-job for them?

    I know more than one person who owns rental properties and works a job with crappy pay just because they enjoy it. In fact, I know a man who owns an entire neighborhood of houses, and runs a little video game store that barely breaks even as his side-job, just because he likes being surrounded by games.

    I also know someone who relied on the income from his rental properties and went belly-up. Which shows that it`s stupid to rely on them alone, which your neighbors probably realize.
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
    1586 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 8:26 am
    papers and getting ready for the next day. There are also the extra curricular activities which you are expected to do. That takes up another 15-20 hours a week.
    I don`t think I make too much. I don`t think I make too little either. I am happy with what I make right now. I am happy with my job and I love doing it. I will continue to do it and I won`t complain about the pay one bit. I will complain about the people that say test scores are bad and place all of the blame on teachers. When I assign homework I put a notice online which, in theory parents check, and then they tell their children to do said homework. Theory and practice are two totally separate animals. I give the students the information and I give them the work they need to do to make sure the information sticks. Parents need to be parents and make sure their children do this work. I can`t be responsible for them 24 hours a day. I will take them and do all I can for 8 hours, but the rest is up to you parents. end ran
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36668 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    @ Altaru - "How well do you know this couple? "

    Lived next door for 10 years. They were just regular homeowners. They purchesed the 2 condo`s from their teachers salaries in the time I`ve known them. Teaching has been the sole incomes. Like any couple they have kids-2 of them. Normal people... and nice.

    I like them. Dedicated to their careers. But still, they cry like all the rest about how teachers get a raw deal. They don`t get a lot of sympathy from me.
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
    759 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    @Altura,
    I had typed a very long and detailed counter for your flawed statements. But alas it exceeded the 1000 character restriction. Perhaps this statement will suffice in itself:

    Starting salary for an Army 2nd Lt. is $33,408. Which requires a college degree and the pleasantness of getting shot at.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm
    Starting salary for an Army 2nd Lt. is $33,408. Which requires a college degree and the pleasantness of getting shot at.
    Yeah, but then the Army also pays a lot of expenses and has allowances as well as tax advantages, etc., ESPECIALLY for an officer.

    It may not be counted in their salary, but to discount all that money that they DON`T have to spend compared to a teacher is ignorant.
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    markust123 Male 40-49
    3889 posts
    August 3, 2011 at 10:55 pm
    What is up with conservative`s consistent attacks on teachers and education? I don`t get it? I can understand if you guys are just parroting cable news but it seams to be deeper than that. What the H?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 4, 2011 at 12:40 am
    "What is up with conservative`s consistent attacks on teachers and education? I don`t get it? I can understand if you guys are just parroting cable news but it seams to be deeper than that. What the H?"

    Oh, I don`t know, maybe it`s because of crap like this?
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    Tobunshi Male 18-29
    678 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 1:59 am
    It`s funny that it cuts off right when he`s calling him a pooty camera-man.
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    EgalM Male 30-39
    1707 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 7:44 am
    LMAO, almost every teacher drives a new car, pooty salary? Not compared to most people and jobs they don`t, compared to Doctors their salary is poo, but the not the rest of us.
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    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    August 4, 2011 at 2:55 pm
    how do you like them apples?
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    August 5, 2011 at 8:42 am
    You mean, of course, that Matt Damon proved dumb trying to defend a tiny minority of teachers who are greedy and self-righteous from reporters far better informed than the idiot himself.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    August 5, 2011 at 8:44 am
    P.S. Classic example - the "sh*tty" pay of teachers is slightly higher on average than the average US total household income. That is despite around a quarter of the year taken as holiday.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    August 5, 2011 at 8:49 am
    Altaru - that is an argument for not requiring teachers to hold a degree. It is an argument against people going into teaching who don`t think it is worth the degree. It is not an argument that teachers are hard done by.

    Remember that teaching degrees are some of the easiest to get high grades, are taken by people with some of the lowest educational attainment/potential of those taking degrees, and lead to some of the most secure jobs, with pay actually rather high, when advantages are taken into account (hours, time off, ability to work same hours as children and have same holidays and most of all the job security).
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    August 5, 2011 at 8:57 am
    Random3

    "...the cost of living in California is TRIPLE of what it is in most states. a house worth $150,000 in Ohio is worth anywhere from $250,000 to $450,000 in California"

    Wow, and your mother is a teacher? Yet you clearly failed both English and maths, since your grammar is terrible ("triple of") and you appear to think 350k is three times 150k. That is not even mentioning the idiocy of thinking that housing (cannot be transported, so tends to have high regional variation) is every part of cost of living.

    Should I also mention that Senate Bill 5 is not going to do anything like what you claim, so either you write about things you don`t understand or you are lying? Should I also mention that everything you say suggests your mother just lives beyond her means, and I can`t see why taxpayers should pay for that?
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    bigkkm Male 50-59
    98 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 9:58 am
    Good on Matt! These "reason" folks like to chop up their interviews and as Matt pointed out, come in with a preconceived point of view and won`t budge even when confronted with facts.
    In the uncut version, the reporter "knows" all about how hard it is to fire a teacher with tenure because she was a student.
    Morons.
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    Errand_boy Male 30-39
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    August 8, 2011 at 2:57 am
    People should stick with what they`re good at, not multi-task.

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