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154 Responses to Finally, Some Good Anti-War Graffiti [Pic]

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    ilovmiguel Female 13-17
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    August 3, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    Link: Finally, Some Good Anti-War Graffiti - It might not be as trendy as Banksy, but it gets the point across very well.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:03 pm
    Great art; great message.
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    muffalletta Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:03 pm
    thats great
  4. Profile photo of Steelgrid
    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    The people depicted on this wall defended this person`s right to make this picture.
  5. Profile photo of NNoamfer
    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:08 pm
    @Steelgrid, how is the military related to the government`s choice whether to give us rights or not? There have been many places, where there was a military and no rights to the people.
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:10 pm
    this is not anti-war.. its anti-soldier. I am not a mindless pawn. I think about my actions, my service allows people to express what they want whenever they want. what does a 16 year old girl know about war or what a soldier thinks.
  7. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:20 pm
    basket.. are you really offended?

    i`m a veteran yet I don`t and don`t know anyone else i was in service with that really gets offended that easily.

    btw, I do think they missed the navy one showing them getting their backbone taken out.
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    im not saying that im so offended or i would certainly be more angry, but it certainly is very offensive in general.

    lol im no softy listy
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:25 pm
    i`d like to see the ass who painted this spend a year in the service.

    Soldiers are fighting and dying to protect this country. they are not mindless drones, they are human beings who are putting their lives on the line for us. God Bless the Troops.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:26 pm
    "The people depicted on this wall defended this person`s right to make this picture."
    Presuming that this piece is in either the US or Western Europe...the last time a soldier fought to defend this artist`s right to produce something like this was 1945.

    If you don`t believe it, then this artist has something to tell you...
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:27 pm
    @ NNoamfer:

    not always, actually. one common symptom of PTSD is to have an anxiety attack when you see or hear things that remind you of your time during the war.
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:30 pm
    evanbartlett

    tell that to osama bin laden
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:31 pm
    LOL @ people getting offended. I think this is awesome.
  14. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:31 pm
    basket, you must realise though that as servicemen we do or have done things that lots of other people would deem far more offensive than doing a funny picture on a wall... it`s not that offensive, it`s pretty funny.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:31 pm
    What if it talks, about what war does to you? PTSD can make you emotionally numb.

    It`s clearly not saying soldiers are dumb, since he is depicted as normal before the military. It probably talks about how the military destroys or brainwashes people (in his opinion).

    @basketkase, who told you this is specifically about the American military?
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:33 pm
    the point though listy is that i doubt its supposed to be funny is all i mean.
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:34 pm
    it doesnt need to specifically about the American military
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    So they remove the hat that`s covering up the gaping empty hole in your head, fill it with some brains, put a more natural covering on and then paint some hair on top.
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    @basketkase, the point is, that soldiers are just slaves to the leaders` needs. They use soldiers to solve their problems, instead of doing it themselves. The American army is simply defending against another army. They use all sorts of systems to push you into their problems, like religion and the army.

    We are not related to those problems, and the same is with the Muslim terrorists, they are just in a system that makes them involved.
  20. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    oh come on basket, of course it`s supposed to be funny.... it`s a cartoon drawing, not an oil painting of the weeping madonna.
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    Fides Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 5:50 pm
    They forgot to include the part where you fight for your country and get hardly any money as a retired veteran.
  22. Profile photo of PsychGeek
    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:15 pm
    @ Listypoos:

    ....really? you assume that all cartoon drawings are supposed to be funny? wow....
  23. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    Psychgeek, So you don`t think this was supposed to be humorous?

    I didn`t say all cartoons were supposed to be funny.... but implied they usually they are.

    Hence the definition being

    "noun
    1.
    a sketch or drawing, usually humorous, as in a newspaper or periodical, symbolizing, satirizing, or caricaturing some action, subject, or person of popular interest. "

    so yeah.. i think it`s a fair starting point when assessing one....

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    cyborg Male 13-17
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:27 pm
    neat
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:29 pm
    @ Listypoos:

    "oh come on basket, of course it`s supposed to be funny.... it`s a cartoon drawing, not an oil painting of the weeping madonna."

    Your use of the phrase "it`s supposed to be funny" made my case :)
  26. Profile photo of PsychGeek
    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    and no, Listypoos, nothing about this says it`s supposed to be funny.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:36 pm
    then we differ on our perceptions of humour...

    like i say, i`m a veteran (uk military but twice attached to US units too) and I do find it amusing... maybe the message underneath is a serious topic but the cartoon itself is funny.

    many a serious message is carried on the back of a joke.... some people miss the joke i guess.
  28. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:39 pm
    From reading Noam`s comments this reminds of that tidbit from Full Metal Jacket in which the drill sergeant was using the word "gooks" (and other ethnic slurs against the Vietnamese). At first I thought that was an exaggeration until I saw a documentary featuring basic training in the Marine Corps, the drill sergeants use the phrase "towel heads" liberally.
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    caprishazz Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    I love the style of this. Great find!
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    shamrock1014 Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    Military of today is far different than those of the past. Lots of enlisted now have degrees, not just officers. You have to be technological savvy, it`s not just about giving someone a gun and telling them to go out and kill
  31. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    This is not "anti-war" it`s anti-soldier. Thus it is terrible. Soldiers are amoung the nicest people I`ve ever met, they risk their lives so YOU can be free! Would it kill the left (and 100% this was drawn by a fefty!) to give them an ounce of respect?

    Also it`s probably a mural, not `grafitti` and someone was paid $$ to disrespect soldiers. Looks British...

    Lets see if all these comments can fill me in!
  32. Profile photo of happyhelgeso
    happyhelgeso Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    this is drating insulting.
  33. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    We are not related to those problems
    @NNoamfer: are you sure you live in Israel? Where terrorists kill children, rockets fall on civilians and 5 countries have attempted to invade? That place?

    FYI: it`s a `global villiage` now, we are ALL involved, eh? Look at the USA: they thought the Taliban in Afghanistan was not their concern... big mistake!

    @basketkase: great minds DO think alike! lolz! I totally agree with you.

    It`s not about governments (I forget who suggested that) it`s insulting to individual soldiers: it implys that they have their brains removed in order to BECOME soldiers - just like the haircut & the helmet it`s part of their training. Bullocks to that!
  34. Profile photo of Spider_sol
    Spider_sol Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    5Cats, people can be lefty and pro-soldier/anti-war. In fact I would say most lefties are. We are the one`s who are smart enough to make the distinction.

    If you think I`m wrong just remember the "Support our troops" crap? Righties kept saying that but lefties kept reiterating "We DO support the troops, that`s WHY we want to stop the war and bring them home"
  35. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    Welcome @happyhelgeso! Been here two weeks and this evoked a comment eh? Well good! Feel free to blast (politely) away!

    If you type the f-word it comes up "drat". There`s other words not allowed too, it`s part of the charm of IAB!!! Lolz!
  36. Profile photo of MCMXCIII
    MCMXCIII Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:13 pm
    "You think we fight for freedom? It`s just a slaughter, man." - Animal Mother.
    Human lives are not expendable, and heroes are not disposable. Wars are abominations,and you have to be a brainwashed sheeple to support it.
  37. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:19 pm
    ONE`S *snort!* who are smart???
    Y`all shure yuh speaks Engrish?

    Oh sure! Bring the troops home, allow AQ and others to gain strength unhindered & attack the USA directly! yay!

    If you were smart, you`d know why the doctrine of Sun Tzu was followed EXPERTLY by the Bush administration and the coalition forces.

    (better double check my post for spelling and punctuation, lolz! I`m not normally a grammer-nazi but saying "We are the one`s who are smart" is just too funny!)
  38. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:21 pm
    is it though?

    ok, so some people think all servicemen are thick....is that really offensive?
    If you`re a soldier and you know you`re not thick... then what`s the point in getting offended or trying to put someone straight on it?

    my role in intelligence required lots of qualifications.... most officer roles also require lots of qualifications... the roles that don`t require academic qualifications are filled with all sorts of technical training that is probably degree level if you put it all on paper exams... even the infantry isn`t what it was, ther`es high tech comms systems to learn, theirs intelligence systems to learn like the loce system i helped build, there`s technical training in weapons, enemies weapons, vehicles, computers, etc. etc.

    my point being... those who are soldiers and are not stupid... know they`re not stupid, so would see this as amusing. so the cartoonist got it wrong, but so do a lot of the people who have never served...

  39. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:24 pm
    people take the piss out of other people`s professions all the time... why should the military be ring-fenced and holy?

    people laugh at the IQ level of service station attendants, of walmart employees, of realtors.... or pick on lawyers for being devils etc.

    the military shouldn`t be untouchable when it comes to humour.... every serviceman that i`ve served with, both UK and US would see the funny side of this. I appreciate basket that you don`t... but lots will and do. it`s nothing to be outraged about... it`s a funny cartoon.
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    Sathon Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:26 pm
    Good to know that saying that my uncle who was killed in Afghanistan last year was a brainless idiot is considered "good graffiti" these days.

    drat you.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:27 pm
    Oh sure! Bring the troops home, allow AQ and others to gain strength unhindered & attack the USA directly! yay!
    ------------
    Just like a Canadian to cheer on an attack on the US. Have you no shame?
  42. Profile photo of collegebound
    collegebound Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:31 pm
    "Oh look! Someone has called our servicemen and women brainless!"

    look at it like this...they dont know the REAL reason/s they are fighting for...to protect the rich and wealthy people who dont really give a rats ass about them...

    as listy said. i know a few people who are serving myself who would laugh at this...one of them in particular may have even taken this picture :| get your heads out of your asses and make fun of some black people or something...
  43. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:36 pm
    @madest: shut up, racist troll! The `yay` is lower-case: it`s SARCASM idiot. Cheezus @madest just banhammer yourself already! You want to talk about being `shameless`? YOU? LOLZ!
  44. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:40 pm
    5cats, I got that you were being sarcastic.

    but i think you missed madest being sarcastic back...but that`s just my reading of what he put, i may be wrong.
  45. Profile photo of lordastral
    lordastral Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:44 pm
    Of course, you could interpret this as all soldiers are stupid. But that isn`t what it means. What you are seeing is the stripping of individuality from the recruit. The successful soldier isn`t an individual, he is part of a group.

    Try to look at art from a less literal perspective.
  46. Profile photo of KittenCereal
    KittenCereal Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:52 pm
    "Of course, you could interpret this as all soldiers are stupid. But that isn`t what it means. What you are seeing is the stripping of individuality from the recruit. The successful soldier isn`t an individual, he is part of a group.

    Try to look at art from a less literal perspective."

    It`s nice to see someone with a brain on this site.
  47. Profile photo of yoda141
    yoda141 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    This is accurate, at least in the U.S. Go and ask a soldier what is the U.S army fighting for/against. They`ll just come up with abstract like "for freedom" "for democracy" "for your rights" "against terrorism". Then again, so would most of U.S citizens. The U.S military is fighting for cheap oil and in order to prevent a weapon overproduction.
  48. Profile photo of Dragonlord
    Dragonlord Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:00 pm
    I would argue that this is saying that people in the military have their minds REMOVED, not that they have none to begin with. It`s a big distinction, and I think somewhat accurate.

    Consider this: military training involves a lot of blindly following directions, being yelled at and/or punished if they question anybody, and by the end of it the soldier is able to kill people without a second thought.

    How many intelligent, critical thinkers do you know for whom these traits apply?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    @ yoda141 - there is no oil in Afganastan.

    just sayin
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:00 pm
    vv The same could be said of a successful `civilian` @lordastral, we`re all part of a group, eh?

    I doubt @madest is being sarcastic @Listypoos. He`s played the "Canadian" card in seriousness on MANY occasions. In another thread I called him out on his accusations (serious ones) of `racism`. The person had said NOTHING about `race` but @madest full-out accuses him of it. And then he comes up with this? NOT funny, is he trolling or an outright drat-wad; that`s not supposed to be allowed here.

    I`m sick of his trolling. I`m this close (holds fingers mere milimeters apart!) to ignoring him utterly.
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    Spaztazoid Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:02 pm
    Nice!
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:04 pm
    Lordastral is on the head, it`s what the training is designed to do to make the system work.
    Turn a normal young man or a woman into a killing machine. Killing other human beings is going against our nature. It`s an anomaly that is why we are horrified of the murders in civilian life.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    Consider this: TEACHER training involves a lot of blindly following directions, being yelled at and/or punished if they question THE STATUS QUO, and by the end of it the TEACHER is able to STAB PEOPLE IN THE BACK without a second thought.
    fify @dragonlord! LOLZ! What you say can be applied to almost anything. At least you`re not a `mindreader` like @collegebound... I think the distinction you point out is what makes this vile in the first place.
  54. Profile photo of Solvent
    Solvent Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:06 pm
    A good soldier is a bad human being.
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    Spaztazoid Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:07 pm
    I don`t think that this is insulting at all...I know a veteran from the states who freely stated that soldiers were brainwashed. You almost have to be in order to carry out the endeavors they`re asked to carry out. Smart, not insulting.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:14 pm
    wow... should have ended with rage guy
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:18 pm
    @ Solvent:

    that is perhaps the most idiotic thing I`ve seen on this post. there are *tons* of good soldiers who are also amazing human beings. fighting and killing in WAR is completely different from fighting and killing in your neighborhood.

    Next time you see a soldier, instead of judging his worth as a human being why don`t you thank him for keeping you free? and for fighting to allow you to say such horrible things about his comrades.
  58. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:21 pm
    @NNoamfer: are you sure you live in Israel? Where terrorists kill children, rockets fall on civilians and 5 countries have attempted to invade? That place?

    FYI: it`s a `global villiage` now, we are ALL involved, eh? Look at the USA: they thought the Taliban in Afghanistan was not their concern... big mistake!

    You`re changing the subject.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:23 pm
    If you were smart, you`d know why the doctrine of Sun Tzu was followed EXPERTLY by the Bush administration and the coalition forces.

    Thousands dead, near ancient almost unuseable chemical weapons found, and some yellowcake with no reactor to put it in. What a good war that was.
  60. Profile photo of Dragonlord
    Dragonlord Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:30 pm
    @5Cats Did you just claim that teaching– and most other professions– requires killing people?
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    skatonic Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:33 pm
    Well put PsychGeek. I didn`t serve four years in The Corps because I was brainless. I did it for my country, my fellow soldiers and the American people I swore to protect.
  62. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:35 pm
    Then there was a gun-induced foot injury called de-baathification.
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:37 pm
    I can`t tell if this site was always a stoner-hippie-liberal mecca or if it`s been becoming one more and more every day.
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    BlankTom Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 8:39 pm
    you sure this isn`t as trendy as Banksy. I thought it *was* trendier than Banksy



    Banksy Banksy Banksy
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    RyanF701 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 9:10 pm
    This isn`t anti-war.. are you f*cking retarded?

    Soldiers don`t wage war, politicians do. Soldiers do what they`re told, because they get thrown in jail if they don`t. Do you think that soldiers pick and choose which wars they go to based on if they agree with it or not? No.

    Whatever artist made this, whoever submitted it, and whoever approved it/thinks it makes any semblance of sense should probably be sterilized. The world would be a much better place without your equally as retarded children running around, just let it die with you.
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    demonveteran Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 9:21 pm
    i agree with ryanf701. as a military veteran, we didnt choose our wars, the politicians did. the artist who conceived this is an idiot.
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    Beelzabob Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 9:30 pm
    Soldiers choose to become members of the military. There is no draft in the U.S. so suck it up buttercup and cop to reality. Yes politicians choose the war but if you decided to join the U.S. Military you decided to be their tool and that is just what you became. A tool for hire. You don`t like this because you know it`s true...tool.
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    Spaztazoid Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 9:32 pm
    heh...is there no freedom of expression in the army?
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 9:39 pm
    Well, it makes sense in that soldiers become mindless or will less beings following what others think is "right".
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    Humunaha Male 13-17
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    August 3, 2011 at 10:06 pm
    This art is really just exposing what war is. Soldiers are put into a position were they have no choice but to do what they`re told, and essentially have no freewill. I think its a good concept and executed nicely.
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    kirstoner Female 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 10:09 pm
    Join the army but don`t want to fight in a war?
    I`m sorry. That`s just plain retarded.
    YOU`RE A dratING SOLDIER. YOU ARE PART OF WAR.
    Don`t try and blame it on someone else.
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    securitywyrm Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2011 at 10:23 pm
    I joined the Army to be a soldier.
    I signed up to give them four years of my life. I never signed away being human. That`s what they take from you.

    "You are not to obey an order that is unethical, illegal or immoral."
    "What is illegal, unethical and immoral?"
    "Questioning your orders."

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    drips Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    Not just the army of course. Any institution can indoctrinate people into their way of thinking. Why do you think folks at big corporations can work so hard to fudgek people over? Not necessarily because they are dicks, but because they come to think that the institution is king.
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    drips Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 10:28 pm
    securitywyrm makes a good point that I`ve heard from others. Shht gets real nasty (killing kids and innocents) and good people cannot abide by that. So you go in with good intentions and reality is not what it was sold as being. Kind of like the police department. Power corrupts, man...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2011 at 10:39 pm
    I`d love to paint over this monstrosity with a big American flag. Insulting our soldiers by painting them as mindless people is outrageous. Belittling our troops with this garbage should not be tolerated.
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    dogfeet Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 10:59 pm
    i would not paint over this condemnation of the monstrosity that is war. insulting soldiers by painting them as mindless people may help to discourage others from participating in a barbaric institution. belittling this painter`s expression should not be tolerated. honestly, selfish greedy politicians fail to get along, and millions must die by one another`s hands? the artistic depiction is accurate in my opinion.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    August 3, 2011 at 11:01 pm
    Nah, CJ, just paint over the last two images and give him an antiwar protest sign.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2011 at 11:55 pm
    @Crakr, and that`s what makes you right wing conservative Yanks so laughable to the rest of the world. I`m not saying that I agree with the statement the graffiti is making, but someone has made the point regardless. Painting over it with a Yank flag is just as opinionated.
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    Errand_boy Male 30-39
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    August 4, 2011 at 12:24 am
    Banksy? James Franco made art that doesn`t exist. As true as this art is I`m tired of crap like side walk chalk and children in war situations. The web has jaded me, sorry.
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    Beelzabob Male 40-49
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    August 4, 2011 at 12:28 am
    Crackerjack...your patriotic stance is so bilious it has gone from indignant ignorance to self righteous blather in just two sentences. The soldiers are soldiers... Read any history? Apparently not. Theirs not to reason why, theirs but to do and die. Tools for the machine. The artist conveyed that succinctly, and with the bitter angst of reality.
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    Kainonis Male 18-29
    243 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 12:28 am
    This is disgusting. I have family members who were/are military.
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    infantry0 Male 30-39
    164 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 12:44 am
    Dear Beelzabob,
    I hope you die.
    That is all.
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    Beelzabob Male 40-49
    22 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 12:55 am
    InfantryO, Thank you for your sentiment. I will most assuredly do that. Take comfort in the fact that you and all you know will meet a similar fate. Peace out.
  84. Profile photo of angelgirliey
    angelgirliey Female 18-29
    4 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 1:10 am
    This isn`t anti-war, it`s anti-veteran and that`s not right.
  85. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 1:30 am
    "This is anti...."

    Technically Italian Military. If you must know.

    Well done to every "patriot" in here who assumed it was American... and who wanted to paint an American flag over it.


    Any military matches the morality of their leadership. If any of you would like to preach needing "respect" the Libyan Military, the Iraqi military, the Russian Military, the Chinese Military, and so on and so forth who commit atrocities for the explicit reason that they are a brainless tool aligned solely with the political will of an amoral structure, go ahead.

    I will not be joining your bandwagon.
  86. Profile photo of AGit
    AGit Male 30-39
    995 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 1:48 am
    The graffiti was good, but some of the comments were undoubtedly better.
    Soldiers are tools and as such must serve a purpose. They have to be completely rigid and obedient regardless of their personal opinions. I can`t see soldiers debating whether to follow a certain order or not.
    Anybody that feels insulted by this has probably had his/her brain removed too and should think about joining the force.
  87. Profile photo of Exithops
    Exithops Male 30-39
    14 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 1:56 am
    So it`s a very well done artistic expression of military indoctrination. They do tear you down and build you back up. I served in the U.S. Army 86-94 and I would imagine the basic technique is universal to any competent military.
  88. Profile photo of ChrisMunich
    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
    383 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 2:00 am
    Interesting that so many people here got butthurt and assume it`s insulting soldiers, what it says to me is rather that it is criticising the process that indoctrinates soldiers and that they are trained to/expected to blindly follow orders. Whether or not that is how it is in real life is something that can be argued abou, but it`s an interesting point nonetheless. Claiming that this should be removed because soldiers fight for `our freedom and rights` seems oddly paradoxical.
  89. Profile photo of Exithops
    Exithops Male 30-39
    14 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 2:21 am
    Please understand that as a former soldier I found it to be spot on. For good or for ill the sentiment/statement is accurate. I doubt most posters have experienced boot camp and the situation of complete reliance on their fellow soldiers. They make dogs of war out of we that serve. It is tantamount to brainwashing and Pavlovian conditioning...but ultimately...who do you want to protect your country?
  90. Profile photo of Victory7
    Victory7 Male 18-29
    362 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 2:26 am
    "Blah blah soldiers are brainless blah blah I have no idea what I`m talking about"

    That pretty much matches the gist of many posts in here.
  91. Profile photo of Exithops
    Exithops Male 30-39
    14 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:03 am
    "Blah blah soldiers are brainless blah blah I have no idea what I`m talking about"

    "That pretty much matches the gist of many posts in here."
    Nah, soldiers are field expedient and capable of unique solutions to divergent situations...within the parameters of conflict and it`s resolution.
    Indoctrinated perhaps, focused on situational tactic and regimen definitely. That is how it works however.


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    angelgirliey Female 18-29
    4 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:04 am
    I`ve always been proud of the men and women in our military, haven`t you? Most of the posts on this thread make me sad. Everyone who joins the armed forces must believe in something or else what are they joining for?
  93. Profile photo of AGit
    AGit Male 30-39
    995 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:12 am
    "Everyone who joins the armed forces must believe in something or else what are they joining for?"

    So how do you feel about the soldiers in a hypothetical opposing army? They probably believe in a few things, but I doubt you`d support them
  94. Profile photo of NNoamfer
    NNoamfer Male 18-29
    1216 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:41 am
    @5cats, the fact that I am against war doesn`t mean I`m not Israeli. I`m tired of you telling me I`m not. If I could write my fluent Hebrew in here I will.

    The last fatal terrorist attack here was when I was like 5, then the second intifada stopped.

    In here you are forced to join the military, even with no current war. And guess what? I don`t wanna join, but if I don`t have a good enough excuse I will end up in jail for a few months. Also, if you don`t serve in the military, even for some pretty good reasons (suicidal thoughts, obesity, etc.), you will hardly get a decent job. Which is a good reason for me to hate this place, it`s full of discrimination.
  95. Profile photo of ChrisMunich
    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
    383 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:49 am
    @NNoamfer: you don`t need to prove to anyone that you are Israeli, if they don`t believe you then screw them.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
    3447 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 4:07 am
    I knew it! I knew it! I knew it!

    That`s why I joined the NAVY!
  97. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 4:51 am
    @AGit

    "I can`t see soldiers debating whether to follow a certain order or not."

    The Nuremberg Trials (and others, no doubt) have established that "I was just following orders" is no excuse when committing an atrocity.

    So yes, soldiers SHOULD debate whether to follow a certain order, otherwise there`s no hope of them upholding the ethics they are intended to protect.
  98. Profile photo of tedgp
    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:03 am
    I`ve always been proud of the men and women in our military, haven`t you? Most of the posts on this thread make me sad. Everyone who joins the armed forces must believe in something or else what are they joining for?

    -----------

    Im proud of the men and women in the military who fight for the rights of the people.

    However, im 100% against the leaders of the military and the politicians who send these people to their deaths just because they dont like another president of another country, or that country has something they want.

    Ever heard the word patriotism, or the phrase "you made your country proud soldier".... Yea, it is absolutely disgusting.

    As for reasons why they join up, lets take teh US as an example. A LOT of people join up purely because they have no life skills and no prospects in life. The military offers then a decent salary, training and good house at the end of their service.... IF they make it out alive.
  99. Profile photo of DJL
    DJL Male 30-39
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    August 4, 2011 at 5:15 am
    The image should be of taxpayers who do nothing while their elected officials send their children, siblings, and friends to their deaths.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
    3745 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:27 am
    "So how do you feel about the soldiers in a hypothetical opposing army? They probably believe in a few things, but I doubt you`d support them"

    doesn`t that go for everyone and not just soldiers? you should never actually hate anyone for what they do because, ultimately, they have their own reasons for doing so and in their own minds they believe they are doing the right thing.
  101. Profile photo of dreambrother
    dreambrother Male 18-29
    102 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:34 am
    "Everyone who joins the armed forces must believe in something or else what are they joining for?"

    I joined the navy because the GI Bill would pay my way through college. Unfortunately, that was right before we declared war on Iraq. That was, by far, the worst decision I`ve ever made in my life; those four years were a complete waste of time, and although I am going to college on the GI Bill, I believe that I would have been better off without it.

    I don`t love the style of this graffiti, but I totally agree with the message.
  102. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:37 am
    Beelzabob: Have you not read history ? Look at the brilliant accomplishments many of our soldiers have done, and continue to do.

    Soldiers DO NOT and ARE NOT trained just to `do or die` anymore. The Marine Corps motto is "Improvise, Adapt and Overcome" and that takes brains.

    Sorry, but you`re just wrong as can be, as is the artist.
  103. Profile photo of TruTenrMan
    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:43 am
    Yeah, I`m sure this makes the soldiers who fight for our defense (and yes--offense) feel REALLY happy about the people they`re fighting for.

    Anti-war is one thing; anti-soldier is another.
  104. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:46 am
    Baalthazaq: Nothing in the mural, or the picture of it, indicated it was painted in Italy.

    Even so it`s still disrespectful to every person in their country`s military. True, some countries do not train their soldiers to think, but most do.

    It`s no different than the perpetuation of stereotypes against blacks, hispanics, polish, irish, italians, etc and I`m surprised that you would support such a narrow minded view.
  105. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33132 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:48 am
    You`re changing the subject.
    @Cajun I was question how he could think that war and terrorism `isn`t our problem` considering where he lives, eh? He answers later.
    No war is "good" any soldier will tell you that. It`s always a last resort, and other options are worse. Keep Saddam in power for another decade? Is that OK with you? You harp on ONE reason he was deposed, but ignore the rest.

    @Dragonlord: teachers killed my imagination, my love of learning, and most of my childhood.

    I can`t tell if this site was always a stoner-hippie-liberal mecca
    Yup, it`s actually getting better @number43.

    @dogfeet makes a valid point. I don`t agree but it`s well made :-)
  106. Profile photo of Jayno
    Jayno Male 18-29
    176 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:59 am
    Looks like Karl Pilkington to me
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    Dragonace Male 30-39
    296 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 6:19 am
    I think the real message behind this is not a stab at service men and women, but at the whole concept of taking a person and rebuilding them into a grunt who takes orders without question.

    I have many friends who are ex military and all of them became different people after they joined the military and experienced the terrors of war. Fighting a war changes people, often times for the worst. The various US military systems are nothing but factories churning out grunts who will do the bidding of the non-nice individuals in Washington so they don`t have to get off their lazy fat asses and do it themselves.

    My first comment on IAB after being a reader for 4 years, YAY!!!

  108. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 6:38 am
    @5Cats

    If I was around since at least the 70s I would always hate to think that the Soviet Union was going to be around for another decade. On the flip side I`d always oppose invading them because it WAS a bad idea.
  109. Profile photo of Oscola
    Oscola Male 18-29
    349 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 6:44 am
    Looks like the person who did BLU (youtube)
  110. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 6:55 am
    Furthermore look what happened to the Soviet Union. They had such a horrifically flawed system that the VERY HOME and CENTER of the Soviet Union decided to say "fu<k it, we`re forming our own AWESOME FEDERATION!". The same would`ve happened happened to Saddam.
  111. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 6:58 am
    Hell if the Soviet Union is bad example for you look no further than one of the very own Satellites.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 7:02 am
    i find the irony of a "graffiti artist" creating a commentary on how mindless soldiers are a little overwhelming
  113. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 7:08 am
    also, i love all the "ex-military" commenters that "completely agree with the sentiment" yet somehow manage to imply that they are above this while their brothers in arms were not... typical self-centered PC kool-aid drinkers.
  114. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 7:13 am
    yet somehow manage to imply that they are above this while their brothers in arms were not... typical self-centered PC kool-aid drinkers.

    Rrrriiggghhhttt, and somehow I didn`t eat the right junk food.
  115. Profile photo of PinkRhoid
    PinkRhoid Male 18-29
    1239 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 7:17 am
    Simultaneously admiring vandals while bashing on normal men and women who trade a hefty portion of their lives in service to the country. Hate the government who abuses them not them.
  116. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 7:42 am
    Then again maybe many admirers of this mural are being a little unfair. But nonetheless this IS the expectation you are faced as a soldier, that is follow orders blindly. Refuse to do so you could either dishonored (or mayber "smeared" is more accurate) or worse executed. We may have statutes that require soldiers to ignore `illegal` orders but who in the entire chain of command is to going enforce it? How do they even define an `illegal` order? Ultimately I expect every soldier regardless to own up to their own actions, even they were "just following orders".
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
    2229 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 8:12 am
    the making of a drone soldier, reinforcing herd behaviour
  118. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 8:28 am
    "Baalthazaq: Nothing in the mural, or the picture of it, indicated it was painted in Italy. "

    Or America.
  119. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 8:36 am
    Meanwhile our troops PXs, in Iraq and Afghanistan, shelves are bare and they aren`t even getting the bare necessities.

  120. Profile photo of rogue_knight
    rogue_knight Male 40-49
    868 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 8:51 am
    Thanks to the military the idiot who painted this is given the freedom to express himself. Not all military are good or bad, not all artist are starving idiots, not all Americans are fat , not all Europeans drink wine.
  121. Profile photo of Subushie
    Subushie Male 18-29
    1646 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 8:57 am
    [email protected] the country, this mural has nothing against the people who join the army; it shows the obvious faults within the military. Men and women join the army; are forced to become blind to other human being`s feelings and lives, and are taught it is all for the `greater good`. I`ve seen countless pictures on the internet of "soldiers" taking pictures with dead men, women, and children with a big contempt grin slapped across their face. Guns and death will never be a good thing; No matter what country or reason you are fighting for.
  122. Profile photo of AGit
    AGit Male 30-39
    995 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 9:50 am
    "So yes, soldiers SHOULD debate whether to follow a certain order, otherwise there`s no hope of them upholding the ethics they are intended to protect."

    Soldiers follow orders, not ethics. If you consider it ethical to kill another human being whatever reason may be, I`m glad I don`t share the same opinion as you.
  123. Profile photo of AGit
    AGit Male 30-39
    995 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 9:57 am
    "doesn`t that go for everyone and not just soldiers? you should never actually hate anyone for what they do because, ultimately, they have their own reasons for doing so and in their own minds they believe they are doing the right thing."

    I hope you misread me there, as it wasn`t at all my intention to spew hatred. I don`t hate soldiers, I hate their job. I pity the people who go to war and have to kill other human beings and would not like to find myself in that situation, much less send somebody I don`t know to kill other people I don`t know just because I don`t like their boss.
  124. Profile photo of Rtaylor32
    Rtaylor32 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 10:08 am
    simplistic
  125. Profile photo of rogue_knight
    rogue_knight Male 40-49
    868 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 10:35 am
    Stereotypes are sometimes funny but often offensive. "One size" rarely if ever fits all. If the artist doesn`t like the military then why not do something positive instead of categorically insulting millions of men and women he or she doesn`t know?
  126. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    @AGit

    "Soldiers follow orders, not ethics."

    And I was saying they should follow ethics above orders.

    How did you miss that? Poor reading skills?
  127. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 1:03 pm
    Hate the government who abuses them not them.
    That`s kind of the point of this mural. You`ll notice that hey`re not removing their own brains, the system is removing them during the process of becoming a soldier.
    It`s a criticism of the government and the way it trains soldiers not to question, not a criticism of the soldiers themselves.
  128. Profile photo of Dad4Life
    Dad4Life Male 50-59
    2086 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    Ignorance.
  129. Profile photo of I-See-U
    I-See-U Male 18-29
    354 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 2:26 pm
    Were not as intelligent as a species, when we advocate death and destruction under the name of a makeshift border and a piece of cloth.

    Is it possible to be a soldier and conduct your own thoughts? or in other words, not pulling your pants down every time your master wants to shag?
  130. Profile photo of Locke357
    Locke357 Male 18-29
    128 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    ITT: Silly people thinking this insults soldiers

    It`s a critique of the system, not the soldiers
  131. Profile photo of nayrbarr
    nayrbarr Male 18-29
    366 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    @rogue_knight, This graffiti is "something positive". It is the artist`s attempt to get his (or her) message out to as many people as possible in an interesting and artistic way. It seems to have worked quite well given that it`s ended up on here.
  132. Profile photo of AGit
    AGit Male 30-39
    995 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    "And I was saying they should follow ethics above orders.

    How did you miss that? Poor reading skills?"

    Possibly, made worse by the fact that "should" was in caps, mea culpa.
    However, and it obviously depends on the ethical code that they elect, one would say that if they followed ethics they wouldn`t want to be soldiers, don`t you think?
  133. Profile photo of nayrbarr
    nayrbarr Male 18-29
    366 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    @rogue_knight, This graffiti is "something positive". It is the artist`s attempt to get his (or her) message out to as many people as possible in an interesting and artistic way. It seems to have worked quite well given that it`s ended up on here.
  134. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33132 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    The last fatal terrorist attack here was when I was like 5...
    @NNoamfer: you were 5 this spring? When 2-3 Hamas infiltrators killed a man, woman and 3 of their children? For their crime of being Jews, of course. Then the surrounding Palistinian people helped hide the murderers for a week or more. Forget that one?
    And the rockets? They stopped... never!
    I doubt almost everything on the internets, it`s not just you.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
    2056 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    YEAH BLU
  136. Profile photo of XaveMomma
    XaveMomma Female 30-39
    169 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 5:13 pm
    I would love to paint over the soldier costumes and turn them into hippy attire. That would actually make sense.
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    jtjwsnake Male 18-29
    124 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 6:39 pm
    this is the stuff. anyone know where it is?
  138. Profile photo of tehbionic
    tehbionic Female 18-29
    313 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 7:41 pm
    They shouldn`t turn into soldiers. They should be turning into hipsters.
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    surfmonkey99 Male 18-29
    8 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 10:27 pm
    I don`t like this because it`s making fun of the soldiers. It should REALLY represent the politicians who sent them there, because the soldiers are really just trying to protect everyone they love back home, and that is one of the most noble things a person can do.
  140. Profile photo of Thetas
    Thetas Male 18-29
    1540 posts
    August 4, 2011 at 11:48 pm
    I don`t get it, soldiers are mindless drones? They really aren`t.
  141. Profile photo of sibosa
    sibosa Male 30-39
    13 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 3:59 am
    as a serving British soldier I am quite upset about this picture, so where minless fecking drones are we. I tell you what some of the smartest, people i know are soldiers. We have to take calculated risks every day on ops, if we dont we die. we die protecting that grafiti artist right to paint crap like that on walls, they shuold find him slap a uniform on him and send him to the frontline, lets see his paints help him there. People like this really piss me off.
  142. Profile photo of Finker
    Finker Male 40-49
    505 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 6:05 am
    Sibosa, who says this is about you? You do a bloody impressive job, I have worked with ex services staff after they leave and generally they are some of the best staff around. Sometimes the people you are sent to kill are equally professional though. The fact you are killing each other means somewhere along the line something got messed up. It is probably fairer to say the people issuing the orders are mindless, but sadly they often aren`t stupid. If everyone chose not to fight would there be wars, it isn`t going to happen. What I would say for this art is that it makes people ask if soldiers are really mindless.
  143. Profile photo of Piepig
    Piepig Male 13-17
    1524 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 7:26 am
    this is dumb
  144. Profile photo of randomxnp
    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 5:49 pm
    What f**king idiot posted this? Well screw you, every soldier I knew, including my brother and his fellow officers of 3rd Battalion, the Parachute Regiment could kick your arse, but would not because they are far better men than you. The mods of I-A-B should be ashamed to put this up.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 5:52 pm
    Finker, You are an idiot. You have completely failed to understand where something went wrong.

    If everyone chose not to fight there would be no wars, but how are you going to persuade the bullies and the armies of vicious dictators or religious fanatics not to fight, without holding firm against them? It is they that choose the fight, not us.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm
    nayrbarr

    Your an idiot as well. The message is not positive. It is, itself, mindless drivel. It is simply proof that the "artist" has never actually known any military personnel, so is ignorant of his own subject matter. That is not positive.
  147. Profile photo of randomxnp
    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm
    Ooops, I mean "You`re an idiot"
  148. Profile photo of randomxnp
    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 6:04 pm
    This is yet another example of bigotry being put up on I-A-B; I have noticed a few today. They have all been against typical targets of the left. This one is disgraceful, it attacks not only every male member of my immediate family, all of whom (including I) have served in the British forces, but many of my past and present friends.

    It is also childish, self-righteous, self-satisfied and pig-ignorant. The military are far from brainless. They are the among the best people I knew. I found as much to be respected, as fine qualities in the military as I did at the best university in the world. I certainly found more tolerance and less bigotry than I find in any left-wing company.

    Yet the community of I-A-B rate it 3 stars-plus out of 4. The insult against the people who guarantee your right to use this uncensored site. The people to whom you owe everything.

    Really, today, you guys disgust me. You are the filth not worthy to be trodden under the feet of some of
  149. Profile photo of randomxnp
    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    ...some of those with whom I served.

    So just go take a flying fck, all of you who supported this crap. The moron ilovmiguel who posted it; the mods who decided this was worth putting up; anyone who gave this more than a single star; anyone who defends its crass ignorance. The lot of you, just go fck yourselves.
  150. Profile photo of randomxnp
    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    sibosa

    Good man. I was RN, but did a lot of joint-services training. We ganged up with the Army on the crabs. good times!
  151. Profile photo of swiftkeys
    swiftkeys Male 18-29
    500 posts
    August 5, 2011 at 11:20 pm
    @randomxnp <-- why so spammy?
  152. Profile photo of AngryAsian
    AngryAsian Male 13-17
    122 posts
    August 6, 2011 at 6:21 pm
    @randomxnp, cool it dude its just a picture, if you dont support, just enjoy the art.
  153. Profile photo of Jaellot
    Jaellot Male 18-29
    95 posts
    August 7, 2011 at 1:29 pm
    Nicely done. I`d love to see it in RL. The size would really hammer home the imagery of surrendering one`s identity and mind for a hive mind mentality.
  154. Profile photo of Finker
    Finker Male 40-49
    505 posts
    August 17, 2011 at 6:29 am
    randomxnp, if you are proving that you are angry and get aggressive - way to go. I was saying that wars shouldn`t happen because people kill each other. Do you disagree? I also made the point that is never likely to happen but it is worth thinking about why. Art is meant to make you think.

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