Finally, Some Good Anti-War Graffiti [Pic]

Submitted by: ilovmiguel 6 years ago in

It might not be as trendy as Banksy, but it gets the point across very well.
There are 154 comments:
Male 505
randomxnp, if you are proving that you are angry and get aggressive - way to go. I was saying that wars shouldn`t happen because people kill each other. Do you disagree? I also made the point that is never likely to happen but it is worth thinking about why. Art is meant to make you think.
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Male 95
Nicely done. I`d love to see it in RL. The size would really hammer home the imagery of surrendering one`s identity and mind for a hive mind mentality.
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Male 122
@randomxnp, cool it dude its just a picture, if you dont support, just enjoy the art.
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Male 500
@randomxnp <-- why so spammy?
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Male 1,293
sibosa

Good man. I was RN, but did a lot of joint-services training. We ganged up with the Army on the crabs. good times!
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Male 1,293
...some of those with whom I served.

So just go take a flying fck, all of you who supported this crap. The moron ilovmiguel who posted it; the mods who decided this was worth putting up; anyone who gave this more than a single star; anyone who defends its crass ignorance. The lot of you, just go fck yourselves.
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Male 1,293
This is yet another example of bigotry being put up on I-A-B; I have noticed a few today. They have all been against typical targets of the left. This one is disgraceful, it attacks not only every male member of my immediate family, all of whom (including I) have served in the British forces, but many of my past and present friends.

It is also childish, self-righteous, self-satisfied and pig-ignorant. The military are far from brainless. They are the among the best people I knew. I found as much to be respected, as fine qualities in the military as I did at the best university in the world. I certainly found more tolerance and less bigotry than I find in any left-wing company.

Yet the community of I-A-B rate it 3 stars-plus out of 4. The insult against the people who guarantee your right to use this uncensored site. The people to whom you owe everything.

Really, today, you guys disgust me. You are the filth not worthy to be trodden under the feet of some of
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Male 1,293
Ooops, I mean "You`re an idiot"
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Male 1,293
nayrbarr

Your an idiot as well. The message is not positive. It is, itself, mindless drivel. It is simply proof that the "artist" has never actually known any military personnel, so is ignorant of his own subject matter. That is not positive.
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Male 1,293
Finker, You are an idiot. You have completely failed to understand where something went wrong.

If everyone chose not to fight there would be no wars, but how are you going to persuade the bullies and the armies of vicious dictators or religious fanatics not to fight, without holding firm against them? It is they that choose the fight, not us.
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Male 1,293
What f**king idiot posted this? Well screw you, every soldier I knew, including my brother and his fellow officers of 3rd Battalion, the Parachute Regiment could kick your arse, but would not because they are far better men than you. The mods of I-A-B should be ashamed to put this up.
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Male 1,523
this is dumb
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Male 505
Sibosa, who says this is about you? You do a bloody impressive job, I have worked with ex services staff after they leave and generally they are some of the best staff around. Sometimes the people you are sent to kill are equally professional though. The fact you are killing each other means somewhere along the line something got messed up. It is probably fairer to say the people issuing the orders are mindless, but sadly they often aren`t stupid. If everyone chose not to fight would there be wars, it isn`t going to happen. What I would say for this art is that it makes people ask if soldiers are really mindless.
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Male 13
as a serving British soldier I am quite upset about this picture, so where minless fecking drones are we. I tell you what some of the smartest, people i know are soldiers. We have to take calculated risks every day on ops, if we dont we die. we die protecting that grafiti artist right to paint crap like that on walls, they shuold find him slap a uniform on him and send him to the frontline, lets see his paints help him there. People like this really piss me off.
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Male 1,540
I don`t get it, soldiers are mindless drones? They really aren`t.
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Male 8
I don`t like this because it`s making fun of the soldiers. It should REALLY represent the politicians who sent them there, because the soldiers are really just trying to protect everyone they love back home, and that is one of the most noble things a person can do.
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Female 313
They shouldn`t turn into soldiers. They should be turning into hipsters.
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Male 124
this is the stuff. anyone know where it is?
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Female 169
I would love to paint over the soldier costumes and turn them into hippy attire. That would actually make sense.
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Male 2,056
YEAH BLU
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Male 40,728
[quote]The last fatal terrorist attack here was when I was like 5...[/quote]
@NNoamfer: you were 5 this spring? When 2-3 Hamas infiltrators killed a man, woman and 3 of their children? For their crime of being Jews, of course. Then the surrounding Palistinian people helped hide the murderers for a week or more. Forget that one?
And the rockets? They stopped... never!
I doubt almost everything on the internets, it`s not just you.
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Male 365
@rogue_knight, This graffiti is "something positive". It is the artist`s attempt to get his (or her) message out to as many people as possible in an interesting and artistic way. It seems to have worked quite well given that it`s ended up on here.
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Male 995
"And I was saying they should follow ethics above orders.

How did you miss that? Poor reading skills?"

Possibly, made worse by the fact that "should" was in caps, mea culpa.
However, and it obviously depends on the ethical code that they elect, one would say that if they followed ethics they wouldn`t want to be soldiers, don`t you think?
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Male 365
@rogue_knight, This graffiti is "something positive". It is the artist`s attempt to get his (or her) message out to as many people as possible in an interesting and artistic way. It seems to have worked quite well given that it`s ended up on here.
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Male 128
ITT: Silly people thinking this insults soldiers

It`s a critique of the system, not the soldiers
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Male 354
Were not as intelligent as a species, when we advocate death and destruction under the name of a makeshift border and a piece of cloth.

Is it possible to be a soldier and conduct your own thoughts? or in other words, not pulling your pants down every time your master wants to shag?
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Male 2,085
Ignorance.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Hate the government who abuses them not them.[/quote]
That`s kind of the point of this mural. You`ll notice that hey`re not removing their own brains, the system is removing them during the process of becoming a soldier.
It`s a criticism of the government and the way it trains soldiers not to question, not a criticism of the soldiers themselves.
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Male 2,850
@AGit

"Soldiers follow orders, not ethics."

And I was saying they should follow ethics above orders.

How did you miss that? Poor reading skills?
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Male 868
Stereotypes are sometimes funny but often offensive. "One size" rarely if ever fits all. If the artist doesn`t like the military then why not do something positive instead of categorically insulting millions of men and women he or she doesn`t know?
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Male 9
simplistic
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Male 995
"doesn`t that go for everyone and not just soldiers? you should never actually hate anyone for what they do because, ultimately, they have their own reasons for doing so and in their own minds they believe they are doing the right thing."

I hope you misread me there, as it wasn`t at all my intention to spew hatred. I don`t hate soldiers, I hate their job. I pity the people who go to war and have to kill other human beings and would not like to find myself in that situation, much less send somebody I don`t know to kill other people I don`t know just because I don`t like their boss.
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Male 995
"So yes, soldiers SHOULD debate whether to follow a certain order, otherwise there`s no hope of them upholding the ethics they are intended to protect."

Soldiers follow orders, not ethics. If you consider it ethical to kill another human being whatever reason may be, I`m glad I don`t share the same opinion as you.
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Male 1,646
[email protected] the country, this mural has nothing against the people who join the army; it shows the obvious faults within the military. Men and women join the army; are forced to become blind to other human being`s feelings and lives, and are taught it is all for the `greater good`. I`ve seen countless pictures on the internet of "soldiers" taking pictures with dead men, women, and children with a big contempt grin slapped across their face. Guns and death will never be a good thing; No matter what country or reason you are fighting for.
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Male 868
Thanks to the military the idiot who painted this is given the freedom to express himself. Not all military are good or bad, not all artist are starving idiots, not all Americans are fat , not all Europeans drink wine.
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Male 17,511
Meanwhile our troops PXs, in Iraq and Afghanistan, shelves are bare and they aren`t even getting the bare necessities.

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Male 4,546
"Baalthazaq: Nothing in the mural, or the picture of it, indicated it was painted in Italy. "

Or America.
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Male 2,229
the making of a drone soldier, reinforcing herd behaviour
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Male 10,855
Then again maybe many admirers of this mural are being a little unfair. But nonetheless this IS the expectation you are faced as a soldier, that is follow orders blindly. Refuse to do so you could either dishonored (or mayber "smeared" is more accurate) or worse executed. We may have statutes that require soldiers to ignore `illegal` orders but who in the entire chain of command is to going enforce it? How do they even define an `illegal` order? Ultimately I expect every soldier regardless to own up to their own actions, even they were "just following orders".
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Male 1,239
Simultaneously admiring vandals while bashing on normal men and women who trade a hefty portion of their lives in service to the country. Hate the government who abuses them not them.
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Male 10,855
[quote]yet somehow manage to imply that they are above this while their brothers in arms were not... typical self-centered PC kool-aid drinkers.[/quote]

Rrrriiggghhhttt, and somehow I didn`t eat the right junk food.
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Male 590
also, i love all the "ex-military" commenters that "completely agree with the sentiment" yet somehow manage to imply that they are above this while their brothers in arms were not... typical self-centered PC kool-aid drinkers.
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Male 590
i find the irony of a "graffiti artist" creating a commentary on how mindless soldiers are a little overwhelming
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Male 10,855
Hell if the Soviet Union is bad example for you look no further than one of the very own Satellites.
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Male 10,855
Furthermore look what happened to the Soviet Union. They had such a horrifically flawed system that the VERY HOME and CENTER of the Soviet Union decided to say "fu<k it, we`re forming our own AWESOME FEDERATION!". The same would`ve happened happened to Saddam.
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Male 349
Looks like the person who did BLU (youtube)
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Male 10,855
@5Cats

If I was around since at least the 70s I would always hate to think that the Soviet Union was going to be around for another decade. On the flip side I`d always oppose invading them because it WAS a bad idea.
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Male 296
I think the real message behind this is not a stab at service men and women, but at the whole concept of taking a person and rebuilding them into a grunt who takes orders without question.

I have many friends who are ex military and all of them became different people after they joined the military and experienced the terrors of war. Fighting a war changes people, often times for the worst. The various US military systems are nothing but factories churning out grunts who will do the bidding of the non-nice individuals in Washington so they don`t have to get off their lazy fat asses and do it themselves.

My first comment on IAB after being a reader for 4 years, YAY!!!

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Male 176
Looks like Karl Pilkington to me
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Male 40,728
[quote]You`re changing the subject.[/quote]
@Cajun I was question how he could think that war and terrorism `isn`t our problem` considering where he lives, eh? He answers later.
No war is "good" any soldier will tell you that. It`s always a last resort, and other options are worse. Keep Saddam in power for another decade? Is that OK with you? You harp on ONE reason he was deposed, but ignore the rest.

@Dragonlord: teachers killed my imagination, my love of learning, and most of my childhood.

[quote]I can`t tell if this site was always a stoner-hippie-liberal mecca[/quote]
Yup, it`s actually getting better @number43.

@dogfeet makes a valid point. I don`t agree but it`s well made :-)
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: Nothing in the mural, or the picture of it, indicated it was painted in Italy.

Even so it`s still disrespectful to every person in their country`s military. True, some countries do not train their soldiers to think, but most do.

It`s no different than the perpetuation of stereotypes against blacks, hispanics, polish, irish, italians, etc and I`m surprised that you would support such a narrow minded view.
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Male 2,552
Yeah, I`m sure this makes the soldiers who fight for our defense (and yes--offense) feel REALLY happy about the people they`re fighting for.

Anti-war is one thing; anti-soldier is another.
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Male 17,511
Beelzabob: Have you not read history ? Look at the brilliant accomplishments many of our soldiers have done, and continue to do.

Soldiers DO NOT and ARE NOT trained just to `do or die` anymore. The Marine Corps motto is "Improvise, Adapt and Overcome" and that takes brains.

Sorry, but you`re just wrong as can be, as is the artist.
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Male 102
"Everyone who joins the armed forces must believe in something or else what are they joining for?"

I joined the navy because the GI Bill would pay my way through college. Unfortunately, that was right before we declared war on Iraq. That was, by far, the worst decision I`ve ever made in my life; those four years were a complete waste of time, and although I am going to college on the GI Bill, I believe that I would have been better off without it.

I don`t love the style of this graffiti, but I totally agree with the message.
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Male 3,745
"So how do you feel about the soldiers in a hypothetical opposing army? They probably believe in a few things, but I doubt you`d support them"

doesn`t that go for everyone and not just soldiers? you should never actually hate anyone for what they do because, ultimately, they have their own reasons for doing so and in their own minds they believe they are doing the right thing.
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Male 134
The image should be of taxpayers who do nothing while their elected officials send their children, siblings, and friends to their deaths.
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Male 3,285
I`ve always been proud of the men and women in our military, haven`t you? Most of the posts on this thread make me sad. Everyone who joins the armed forces must believe in something or else what are they joining for?

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Im proud of the men and women in the military who fight for the rights of the people.

However, im 100% against the leaders of the military and the politicians who send these people to their deaths just because they dont like another president of another country, or that country has something they want.

Ever heard the word patriotism, or the phrase "you made your country proud soldier".... Yea, it is absolutely disgusting.

As for reasons why they join up, lets take teh US as an example. A LOT of people join up purely because they have no life skills and no prospects in life. The military offers then a decent salary, training and good house at the end of their service.... IF they make it out alive.
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Male 2,850
@AGit

"I can`t see soldiers debating whether to follow a certain order or not."

The Nuremberg Trials (and others, no doubt) have established that "I was just following orders" is no excuse when committing an atrocity.

So yes, soldiers SHOULD debate whether to follow a certain order, otherwise there`s no hope of them upholding the ethics they are intended to protect.
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Male 3,477
I knew it! I knew it! I knew it!

That`s why I joined the NAVY!
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Male 383
@NNoamfer: you don`t need to prove to anyone that you are Israeli, if they don`t believe you then screw them.
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Male 1,216
@5cats, the fact that I am against war doesn`t mean I`m not Israeli. I`m tired of you telling me I`m not. If I could write my fluent Hebrew in here I will.

The last fatal terrorist attack here was when I was like 5, then the second intifada stopped.

In here you are forced to join the military, even with no current war. And guess what? I don`t wanna join, but if I don`t have a good enough excuse I will end up in jail for a few months. Also, if you don`t serve in the military, even for some pretty good reasons (suicidal thoughts, obesity, etc.), you will hardly get a decent job. Which is a good reason for me to hate this place, it`s full of discrimination.
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Male 995
"Everyone who joins the armed forces must believe in something or else what are they joining for?"

So how do you feel about the soldiers in a hypothetical opposing army? They probably believe in a few things, but I doubt you`d support them
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Female 4
I`ve always been proud of the men and women in our military, haven`t you? Most of the posts on this thread make me sad. Everyone who joins the armed forces must believe in something or else what are they joining for?
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Male 14
"Blah blah soldiers are brainless blah blah I have no idea what I`m talking about"

"That pretty much matches the gist of many posts in here."
Nah, soldiers are field expedient and capable of unique solutions to divergent situations...within the parameters of conflict and it`s resolution.
Indoctrinated perhaps, focused on situational tactic and regimen definitely. That is how it works however.


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Male 362
"Blah blah soldiers are brainless blah blah I have no idea what I`m talking about"

That pretty much matches the gist of many posts in here.
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Male 14
Please understand that as a former soldier I found it to be spot on. For good or for ill the sentiment/statement is accurate. I doubt most posters have experienced boot camp and the situation of complete reliance on their fellow soldiers. They make dogs of war out of we that serve. It is tantamount to brainwashing and Pavlovian conditioning...but ultimately...who do you want to protect your country?
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Male 383
Interesting that so many people here got butthurt and assume it`s insulting soldiers, what it says to me is rather that it is criticising the process that indoctrinates soldiers and that they are trained to/expected to blindly follow orders. Whether or not that is how it is in real life is something that can be argued abou, but it`s an interesting point nonetheless. Claiming that this should be removed because soldiers fight for `our freedom and rights` seems oddly paradoxical.
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Male 14
So it`s a very well done artistic expression of military indoctrination. They do tear you down and build you back up. I served in the U.S. Army 86-94 and I would imagine the basic technique is universal to any competent military.
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Male 995
The graffiti was good, but some of the comments were undoubtedly better.
Soldiers are tools and as such must serve a purpose. They have to be completely rigid and obedient regardless of their personal opinions. I can`t see soldiers debating whether to follow a certain order or not.
Anybody that feels insulted by this has probably had his/her brain removed too and should think about joining the force.
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Male 4,546
"This is anti...."

Technically Italian Military. If you must know.

Well done to every "patriot" in here who assumed it was American... and who wanted to paint an American flag over it.


Any military matches the morality of their leadership. If any of you would like to preach needing "respect" the Libyan Military, the Iraqi military, the Russian Military, the Chinese Military, and so on and so forth who commit atrocities for the explicit reason that they are a brainless tool aligned solely with the political will of an amoral structure, go ahead.

I will not be joining your bandwagon.
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Female 4
This isn`t anti-war, it`s anti-veteran and that`s not right.
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Male 22
InfantryO, Thank you for your sentiment. I will most assuredly do that. Take comfort in the fact that you and all you know will meet a similar fate. Peace out.
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Male 164
Dear Beelzabob,
I hope you die.
That is all.
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Male 243
This is disgusting. I have family members who were/are military.
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Male 22
Crackerjack...your patriotic stance is so bilious it has gone from indignant ignorance to self righteous blather in just two sentences. The soldiers are soldiers... Read any history? Apparently not. Theirs not to reason why, theirs but to do and die. Tools for the machine. The artist conveyed that succinctly, and with the bitter angst of reality.
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Male 621
Banksy? James Franco made art that doesn`t exist. As true as this art is I`m tired of crap like side walk chalk and children in war situations. The web has jaded me, sorry.
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Male 6,737
@Crakr, and that`s what makes you right wing conservative Yanks so laughable to the rest of the world. I`m not saying that I agree with the statement the graffiti is making, but someone has made the point regardless. Painting over it with a Yank flag is just as opinionated.
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Male 15,832
Nah, CJ, just paint over the last two images and give him an antiwar protest sign.
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Male 164
i would not paint over this condemnation of the monstrosity that is war. insulting soldiers by painting them as mindless people may help to discourage others from participating in a barbaric institution. belittling this painter`s expression should not be tolerated. honestly, selfish greedy politicians fail to get along, and millions must die by one another`s hands? the artistic depiction is accurate in my opinion.
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Male 17,511
I`d love to paint over this monstrosity with a big American flag. Insulting our soldiers by painting them as mindless people is outrageous. Belittling our troops with this garbage should not be tolerated.
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Male 904
securitywyrm makes a good point that I`ve heard from others. Shht gets real nasty (killing kids and innocents) and good people cannot abide by that. So you go in with good intentions and reality is not what it was sold as being. Kind of like the police department. Power corrupts, man...
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Male 904
Not just the army of course. Any institution can indoctrinate people into their way of thinking. Why do you think folks at big corporations can work so hard to fudgek people over? Not necessarily because they are dicks, but because they come to think that the institution is king.
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Male 89
I joined the Army to be a soldier.
I signed up to give them four years of my life. I never signed away being human. That`s what they take from you.

"You are not to obey an order that is unethical, illegal or immoral."
"What is illegal, unethical and immoral?"
"Questioning your orders."

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Female 535
Join the army but don`t want to fight in a war?
I`m sorry. That`s just plain retarded.
YOU`RE A dratING SOLDIER. YOU ARE PART OF WAR.
Don`t try and blame it on someone else.
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Male 13
This art is really just exposing what war is. Soldiers are put into a position were they have no choice but to do what they`re told, and essentially have no freewill. I think its a good concept and executed nicely.
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Male 1,526
Well, it makes sense in that soldiers become mindless or will less beings following what others think is "right".
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Female 152
heh...is there no freedom of expression in the army?
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Male 22
Soldiers choose to become members of the military. There is no draft in the U.S. so suck it up buttercup and cop to reality. Yes politicians choose the war but if you decided to join the U.S. Military you decided to be their tool and that is just what you became. A tool for hire. You don`t like this because you know it`s true...tool.
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Male 238
i agree with ryanf701. as a military veteran, we didnt choose our wars, the politicians did. the artist who conceived this is an idiot.
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Male 2,486
This isn`t anti-war.. are you f*cking retarded?

Soldiers don`t wage war, politicians do. Soldiers do what they`re told, because they get thrown in jail if they don`t. Do you think that soldiers pick and choose which wars they go to based on if they agree with it or not? No.

Whatever artist made this, whoever submitted it, and whoever approved it/thinks it makes any semblance of sense should probably be sterilized. The world would be a much better place without your equally as retarded children running around, just let it die with you.
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Male 1,674
you sure this isn`t as trendy as Banksy. I thought it *was* trendier than Banksy



Banksy Banksy Banksy
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Male 759
I can`t tell if this site was always a stoner-hippie-liberal mecca or if it`s been becoming one more and more every day.
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Male 10,855
Then there was a gun-induced foot injury called de-baathification.
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Male 3
Well put PsychGeek. I didn`t serve four years in The Corps because I was brainless. I did it for my country, my fellow soldiers and the American people I swore to protect.
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Male 734
@5Cats Did you just claim that teaching– and most other professions– requires killing people?
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Male 10,855
[quote]If you were smart, you`d know why the doctrine of Sun Tzu was followed EXPERTLY by the Bush administration and the coalition forces.[/quote]

Thousands dead, near ancient almost unuseable chemical weapons found, and some yellowcake with no reactor to put it in. What a good war that was.
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Male 10,855
[quote]@NNoamfer: are you sure you live in Israel? Where terrorists kill children, rockets fall on civilians and 5 countries have attempted to invade? That place?

FYI: it`s a `global villiage` now, we are ALL involved, eh? Look at the USA: they thought the Taliban in Afghanistan was not their concern... big mistake![/quote]

You`re changing the subject.
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Female 1,798
@ Solvent:

that is perhaps the most idiotic thing I`ve seen on this post. there are *tons* of good soldiers who are also amazing human beings. fighting and killing in WAR is completely different from fighting and killing in your neighborhood.

Next time you see a soldier, instead of judging his worth as a human being why don`t you thank him for keeping you free? and for fighting to allow you to say such horrible things about his comrades.
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Male 25,416
wow... should have ended with rage guy
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Female 152
I don`t think that this is insulting at all...I know a veteran from the states who freely stated that soldiers were brainwashed. You almost have to be in order to carry out the endeavors they`re asked to carry out. Smart, not insulting.
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Male 2,841
A good soldier is a bad human being.
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Male 40,728
[quote]Consider this: TEACHER training involves a lot of blindly following directions, being yelled at and/or punished if they question THE STATUS QUO, and by the end of it the TEACHER is able to STAB PEOPLE IN THE BACK without a second thought.[/quote]
fify @dragonlord! LOLZ! What you say can be applied to almost anything. At least you`re not a `mindreader` like @collegebound... I think the distinction you point out is what makes this vile in the first place.
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Female 2,549
Lordastral is on the head, it`s what the training is designed to do to make the system work.
Turn a normal young man or a woman into a killing machine. Killing other human beings is going against our nature. It`s an anomaly that is why we are horrified of the murders in civilian life.
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Female 152
Nice!
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Male 40,728
vv The same could be said of a successful `civilian` @lordastral, we`re all part of a group, eh?

I doubt @madest is being sarcastic @Listypoos. He`s played the "Canadian" card in seriousness on MANY occasions. In another thread I called him out on his accusations (serious ones) of `racism`. The person had said NOTHING about `race` but @madest full-out accuses him of it. And then he comes up with this? NOT funny, is he trolling or an outright drat-wad; that`s not supposed to be allowed here.

I`m sick of his trolling. I`m this close (holds fingers mere milimeters apart!) to ignoring him utterly.
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Male 39,880

@ yoda141 - there is no oil in Afganastan.

just sayin
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Male 734
I would argue that this is saying that people in the military have their minds REMOVED, not that they have none to begin with. It`s a big distinction, and I think somewhat accurate.

Consider this: military training involves a lot of blindly following directions, being yelled at and/or punished if they question anybody, and by the end of it the soldier is able to kill people without a second thought.

How many intelligent, critical thinkers do you know for whom these traits apply?
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Male 266
This is accurate, at least in the U.S. Go and ask a soldier what is the U.S army fighting for/against. They`ll just come up with abstract like "for freedom" "for democracy" "for your rights" "against terrorism". Then again, so would most of U.S citizens. The U.S military is fighting for cheap oil and in order to prevent a weapon overproduction.
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Female 956
"Of course, you could interpret this as all soldiers are stupid. But that isn`t what it means. What you are seeing is the stripping of individuality from the recruit. The successful soldier isn`t an individual, he is part of a group.

Try to look at art from a less literal perspective."

It`s nice to see someone with a brain on this site.
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Male 45
Of course, you could interpret this as all soldiers are stupid. But that isn`t what it means. What you are seeing is the stripping of individuality from the recruit. The successful soldier isn`t an individual, he is part of a group.

Try to look at art from a less literal perspective.
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Male 3,147
5cats, I got that you were being sarcastic.

but i think you missed madest being sarcastic back...but that`s just my reading of what he put, i may be wrong.
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Male 40,728
@madest: shut up, racist troll! The `yay` is lower-case: it`s SARCASM idiot. Cheezus @madest just banhammer yourself already! You want to talk about being `shameless`? YOU? LOLZ!
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Male 3,745
"Oh look! Someone has called our servicemen and women brainless!"

look at it like this...they dont know the REAL reason/s they are fighting for...to protect the rich and wealthy people who dont really give a rats ass about them...

as listy said. i know a few people who are serving myself who would laugh at this...one of them in particular may have even taken this picture :| get your heads out of your asses and make fun of some black people or something...
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Male 7,378
[quote]Oh sure! Bring the troops home, allow AQ and others to gain strength unhindered & attack the USA directly! yay![/quote]
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Just like a Canadian to cheer on an attack on the US. Have you no shame?
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Male 248
Good to know that saying that my uncle who was killed in Afghanistan last year was a brainless idiot is considered "good graffiti" these days.

drat you.
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Male 3,147
people take the piss out of other people`s professions all the time... why should the military be ring-fenced and holy?

people laugh at the IQ level of service station attendants, of walmart employees, of realtors.... or pick on lawyers for being devils etc.

the military shouldn`t be untouchable when it comes to humour.... every serviceman that i`ve served with, both UK and US would see the funny side of this. I appreciate basket that you don`t... but lots will and do. it`s nothing to be outraged about... it`s a funny cartoon.
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Male 3,147
is it though?

ok, so some people think all servicemen are thick....is that really offensive?
If you`re a soldier and you know you`re not thick... then what`s the point in getting offended or trying to put someone straight on it?

my role in intelligence required lots of qualifications.... most officer roles also require lots of qualifications... the roles that don`t require academic qualifications are filled with all sorts of technical training that is probably degree level if you put it all on paper exams... even the infantry isn`t what it was, ther`es high tech comms systems to learn, theirs intelligence systems to learn like the loce system i helped build, there`s technical training in weapons, enemies weapons, vehicles, computers, etc. etc.

my point being... those who are soldiers and are not stupid... know they`re not stupid, so would see this as amusing. so the cartoonist got it wrong, but so do a lot of the people who have never served...

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Male 40,728
ONE`S *snort!* who are smart???
Y`all shure yuh speaks Engrish?

Oh sure! Bring the troops home, allow AQ and others to gain strength unhindered & attack the USA directly! yay!

If you were smart, you`d know why the doctrine of Sun Tzu was followed EXPERTLY by the Bush administration and the coalition forces.

(better double check my post for spelling and punctuation, lolz! I`m not normally a grammer-nazi but saying "We are the one`s who are smart" is just too funny!)
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Male 356
"You think we fight for freedom? It`s just a slaughter, man." - Animal Mother.
Human lives are not expendable, and heroes are not disposable. Wars are abominations,and you have to be a brainwashed sheeple to support it.
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Male 40,728
Welcome @happyhelgeso! Been here two weeks and this evoked a comment eh? Well good! Feel free to blast (politely) away!

If you type the f-word it comes up "drat". There`s other words not allowed too, it`s part of the charm of IAB!!! Lolz!
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Male 1,451
5Cats, people can be lefty and pro-soldier/anti-war. In fact I would say most lefties are. We are the one`s who are smart enough to make the distinction.

If you think I`m wrong just remember the "Support our troops" crap? Righties kept saying that but lefties kept reiterating "We DO support the troops, that`s WHY we want to stop the war and bring them home"
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Male 40,728
[quote]We are not related to those problems[/quote]
@NNoamfer: are you sure you live in Israel? Where terrorists kill children, rockets fall on civilians and 5 countries have attempted to invade? That place?

FYI: it`s a `global villiage` now, we are ALL involved, eh? Look at the USA: they thought the Taliban in Afghanistan was not their concern... big mistake!

@basketkase: great minds DO think alike! lolz! I totally agree with you.

It`s not about governments (I forget who suggested that) it`s insulting to individual soldiers: it implys that they have their brains removed in order to BECOME soldiers - just like the haircut & the helmet it`s part of their training. Bullocks to that!
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Male 2
this is drating insulting.
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Male 40,728
This is not "anti-war" it`s anti-soldier. Thus it is terrible. Soldiers are amoung the nicest people I`ve ever met, they risk their lives so YOU can be free! Would it kill the left (and 100% this was drawn by a fefty!) to give them an ounce of respect?

Also it`s probably a mural, not `grafitti` and someone was paid $$ to disrespect soldiers. Looks British...

Lets see if all these comments can fill me in!
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Male 313
Military of today is far different than those of the past. Lots of enlisted now have degrees, not just officers. You have to be technological savvy, it`s not just about giving someone a gun and telling them to go out and kill
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Female 1
I love the style of this. Great find!
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Male 10,855
From reading Noam`s comments this reminds of that tidbit from Full Metal Jacket in which the drill sergeant was using the word "gooks" (and other ethnic slurs against the Vietnamese). At first I thought that was an exaggeration until I saw a documentary featuring basic training in the Marine Corps, the drill sergeants use the phrase "towel heads" liberally.
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Male 3,147
then we differ on our perceptions of humour...

like i say, i`m a veteran (uk military but twice attached to US units too) and I do find it amusing... maybe the message underneath is a serious topic but the cartoon itself is funny.

many a serious message is carried on the back of a joke.... some people miss the joke i guess.
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Female 1,798
and no, Listypoos, nothing about this says it`s supposed to be funny.
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Female 1,798
@ Listypoos:

"oh come on basket, of course it`s supposed to be funny.... it`s a cartoon drawing, not an oil painting of the weeping madonna."

Your use of the phrase "it`s supposed to be funny" made my case :)
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Male 2,790
neat
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Male 3,147
Psychgeek, So you don`t think this was supposed to be humorous?

I didn`t say all cartoons were supposed to be funny.... but implied they usually they are.

Hence the definition being

"noun
1.
a sketch or drawing, usually humorous, as in a newspaper or periodical, symbolizing, satirizing, or caricaturing some action, subject, or person of popular interest. "

so yeah.. i think it`s a fair starting point when assessing one....

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Female 1,798
@ Listypoos:

....really? you assume that all cartoon drawings are supposed to be funny? wow....
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Male 66
They forgot to include the part where you fight for your country and get hardly any money as a retired veteran.
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Male 3,147
oh come on basket, of course it`s supposed to be funny.... it`s a cartoon drawing, not an oil painting of the weeping madonna.
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Male 1,216
@basketkase, the point is, that soldiers are just slaves to the leaders` needs. They use soldiers to solve their problems, instead of doing it themselves. The American army is simply defending against another army. They use all sorts of systems to push you into their problems, like religion and the army.

We are not related to those problems, and the same is with the Muslim terrorists, they are just in a system that makes them involved.
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Male 2,121
So they remove the hat that`s covering up the gaping empty hole in your head, fill it with some brains, put a more natural covering on and then paint some hair on top.
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Male 1,182
it doesnt need to specifically about the American military
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Male 1,182
the point though listy is that i doubt its supposed to be funny is all i mean.
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Male 1,216
What if it talks, about what war does to you? PTSD can make you emotionally numb.

It`s clearly not saying soldiers are dumb, since he is depicted as normal before the military. It probably talks about how the military destroys or brainwashes people (in his opinion).

@basketkase, who told you this is specifically about the American military?
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Male 3,147
basket, you must realise though that as servicemen we do or have done things that lots of other people would deem far more offensive than doing a funny picture on a wall... it`s not that offensive, it`s pretty funny.
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Female 1,148
LOL @ people getting offended. I think this is awesome.
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Male 1,182
evanbartlett

tell that to osama bin laden
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Female 1,798
@ NNoamfer:

not always, actually. one common symptom of PTSD is to have an anxiety attack when you see or hear things that remind you of your time during the war.
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Male 559
"The people depicted on this wall defended this person`s right to make this picture."
Presuming that this piece is in either the US or Western Europe...the last time a soldier fought to defend this artist`s right to produce something like this was 1945.

If you don`t believe it, then this artist has something to tell you...
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Female 1,798
i`d like to see the ass who painted this spend a year in the service.

Soldiers are fighting and dying to protect this country. they are not mindless drones, they are human beings who are putting their lives on the line for us. God Bless the Troops.
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Male 1,182
im not saying that im so offended or i would certainly be more angry, but it certainly is very offensive in general.

lol im no softy listy
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Male 3,147
basket.. are you really offended?

i`m a veteran yet I don`t and don`t know anyone else i was in service with that really gets offended that easily.

btw, I do think they missed the navy one showing them getting their backbone taken out.
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Male 1,182
this is not anti-war.. its anti-soldier. I am not a mindless pawn. I think about my actions, my service allows people to express what they want whenever they want. what does a 16 year old girl know about war or what a soldier thinks.
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Male 1,216
@Steelgrid, how is the military related to the government`s choice whether to give us rights or not? There have been many places, where there was a military and no rights to the people.
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Male 2,700
The people depicted on this wall defended this person`s right to make this picture.
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Male 543
thats great
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Male 1,216
Great art; great message.
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Female 215
Link: Finally, Some Good Anti-War Graffiti [Pic] [Rate Link] - It might not be as trendy as Banksy, but it gets the point across very well.
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