Felonius Monk Has Something To Say To Obama

Submitted by: CrakrJak 6 years ago in

Felonious Munk speaks on the economic state of America and why we shouldn"t pay our bills.
There are 97 comments:
Male 3,631
I don`t see how this is directed at Obama so much as it is the average "n*gger." (see I put it in quotation marks and even censored the "I" so as to not only accurately represent the frequent utterings of our feature orator, but also avoid the misappropriated label of "i am a racist!")

- Is it `cause I`m White?
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Male 10,855
Wait a minute, I said earlier that I only wanted to get rid of entitlements for old age. Nevermind then #3 would be a bad idea.
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Male 40,751
[quote]I find it hypocritical to support politicians who want to strip future generations of benefits - @madest[/quote]
Like Obama for example? HIS idea is to cut a half-trillion from Medicare/cade and shift it to ObamaCare, eh? So... you`re an admitted hypocrite then?
@AJ and @CJ have schooled you on what IS insurance, LOLZ!

@madest seriously: you do the SAME DAMN THING every single drating topic! You say something stupid (Medicare is not insurance) THEN when proven wrong you slander (teabagger, hypocrite)

SAME DAMN THING EVERY TIME!

Grow up man! Act your age FFS! You`re worse than @PMarren.

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Male 10,855
[quote] taxes would just lead to a total collapse of SS[/quote]

That to me would only be problematic if it happened before the people me and Lee Doren referred to got their money back.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: I`m saying that the situation with 1099s is already bad enough, compounding that with W-2 earners not paying their FICA taxes would just lead to a total collapse of SS.
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Male 10,855
@3:45 of this video is part of my argument in a nutshell
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Male 10,855
[quote]SS doesn`t have a broken track record.[/quote]

Did you just overlook the fact that it has been borrowed against?

@Crakr

I`m sorry but you`re comment about #3 doesn`t make since. I suggest people stop paying a specific tax and you say it will lead to self-employed having to pay higher taxes? This is also on top of the fact that they don`t pay their share. I don`t quite follow.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: I could agree with your #1 and #2 points. However, #3 would lead to a debacle worse than we are in right now, in fact the proliferation of 1099 employees is hurting our country because 1099 employers don`t pay their part into FICA as they should be doing. That then leaves 1099 employees `out in the wind` having to pay higher self-employment taxes, which is not fair.
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Male 7,378
[quote]But I should not be required by law to pay into a system with a broken track record[/quote]
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SS doesn`t have a broken track record.
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Male 1,646
The country is slowly realizing the real trouble we are in. The debt situation is becoming very real very fast. Unfortunately we realized it too late, we will not be able to fix the situation we are in; the world will save its self soon from our debt by switching the World reserve currency from the dollar. Then the avalanche of debt our government has piled over our heads will collapse in a wave of suffering like this country has never seen.

Also- I love this guys passion in this video
Also- very bad song choice for the intro if you`re trying to spread a message =/
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Male 10,855
@CrakrJak

I`m afraid this is where we simply disagree. I do not believe that fact that you are at least 60 years old entitles you to a tax payer funded retirement program. I WILL concede that the people who have put money into the program deserve to reap the benefits plus interest. But I should not be required by law to pay into a system with a broken track record, thus I propose three things:
1)Pass a law that forbids the government from borrowing from the trust fund for any expense unrelated to OASDI.
2)At the same time mandate that the government pay back the money it has borrowed within a specific timeframe plus interest.
3)Amend the tax code so that people are no longer required to pay into the system.
This way people who`ve payed into the system for most of their lives get to reap the benefit, and those who do not want to entrust with retirement no longer have to pay for it.
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Male 240
watched a couple of the other videos and once you see past his language this guy has a pretty good view on the way things work and what needs to be done
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Male 237
ive never seen this guy before....this guy is the shizz b
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Male 17,511
Cajun: A lot of seniors also worked hard, had their pensions screwed over and now need SS to live on because they have nothing else. Seniors should be able to enjoy their later years. Not many seniors are as rich as you seem to believe, most are barely getting by.
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Male 10,855
[quote]However those of retirement age that are healthy shouldn`t be forced to work the rest of their lives, that`s just inhumane.[/quote]

There are plenty of people 60+ who still hold jobs. No one is pitting a gun up to their heads. I`d only find it inhumane if they`re being coerced to do so with a terminal condition. To my point there are people who have retired on a private account/401k and are doing just fine.


[quote] Some people never get a high paying job to save enough money to invest, some become disabled before they earn enough, some kids parents die before they are old enough to take care of themselves, that is what OASDI (aka, Social Security) is there for.[/quote]

All of which is perfectly acceptable but honestly just leave out OA part.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: Some form of safety net is necessary, Some people never get a high paying job to save enough money to invest, some become disabled before they earn enough, some kids parents die before they are old enough to take care of themselves, that is what OASDI (aka, Social Security) is there for.

Most people that apply for it, and deserve the benefits, are as a matter of routine denied multiple times and have to seek legal help to get SS. It`s not as easy as you might think, it`s stressful, many become depressed, some even suicidal over the wait which can be years.

I wouldn`t wish the bureaucratic mess that I had to deal with on anyone and the only ones that get rich are the lawyers.
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Male 17,511
Cajun; I don`t have a problem with `means testing`, meaning that millionaires don`t need SS, nor should they be awarded it. However those of retirement age that are healthy shouldn`t be forced to work the rest of their lives, that`s just inhumane.

Even if your kids don`t pay for yours, they should still contribute, if for nothing else then because some people never have kids to help them.
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Female 370
I enjoyed watching that.
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Female 95
Every time I watch this I laugh. It is Epic!!!
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Male 621
Didn`t think I was going to like this, but damn! That dude rocked it the f*ck out, sweet!


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Male 10,855
You and I know BOTH know Crakr that government programs tend to be misused, as you and Auburnjunky have pointed out. Which is why oppose OASDI. Understandibly there are people who GENUINELY NEED HELP from the govt that the private sector cannot provide for. I will not be upset if my tax dollars are given to them. I find it sad though that an entire generation of people have invested in an abused system, and because of it have little or no financial security, especially when there were much better options available to them.
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Male 10,855
[quote]your kids will pay for yours[/quote]

I don`t want them to, nor do I need them to.


[quote]there is nothing unfair in that[/quote]

Really? There`s nothing unfair about money coming out of my paycheck and going towards people who are healthy and fit and can easily hold a job themselves. I can understand someone who`s wheelchair bound or mentally ill, but not some 60 yr old who can easily make his/her own living.
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Male 17,511
madest: I think you need to re-read the Tea Party platform again, and not the versions twisted and spun by Daily KOS and HuffPo that you`ve read.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: [quote]Why do I need to put my money into a government retirement program? Everyone has different needs, not everyone is going to retire hell not everyone should.[/quote]

In a perfect world I would agree, We don`t live in a perfect world though. Restructuring will take time, it would not be fair for those that`ve paid into FICA to lose those benefits. The system can be made to be viable but there is no instant fix.

I paid for my elders SS, you`re paying for your elders, your kids will pay for yours, there is nothing unfair in that.
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Male 25,416
im noticing IAB is really focused on the America Debt... they will just increase the Tax. All sorted.
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Male 10,338
@Madest: NyQuil does not require a prescription, and last time I checked, you can`t get it on subsidy.
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Male 1,744
WORD!

*fist bump*
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Male 10,855
[quote]SS should have a opt out clause, and we should be able to provide our own retirement if we so choose.[/quote]

Perfectly acceptable, but considering plenty of other options that allow to save up money in the event of say a bad injury/ailment or for retirement, what`s the point? Way I see it just because you`re disabled doesn`t mean you`re useless.
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Male 7,378
[quote]All those things you just said are PART OF THE CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM! [/quote]
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Really AJ, What planet do you live on?
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Male 10,855
[quote]Yes it is worth it, but it needs to be restructured so that it is no longer akin to a Ponzi scheme. [/quote]

Why do I need to put my money into a government retirement program? Everyone has different needs, not everyone is going to retire hell not everyone should. It`s not fair for other people to derive a big portion of their income from mine.

[quote]DOEducation and DOEnergy for starters. Worthless programs. Financial black holes.[/quote]

Perhaps, but if there are three other govt organizations I could name they would be DEA, DHS, and AMTRAK. The first two don`t make our country any safer, and the last one is just plain inefficient. Arguably since the govt been putting it`s hands into education standards have been getting lower ala NCLB.
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Male 7,378
[quote]If you are about to die, the only thing they will do is stabilize you, and then when you are no longer in danger of death, they will kick your ass out.[/quote]
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And because they`re uninsured our systems works in such a way as they are charged the maximum possible charge. Thereby causing that Nyquil prescription to be spread out over the insured. If your non-insurance didn`t impact the insured I would agree with your position. But it doesn`t.
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Male 10,338
"That would require hospitals to turn you away when you`re sick forcing doctors to relinquish their Hippocratic oath."

If you do not have a life threatening ailment or injury, a hospital WILL NOT TREAT YOU if you do not have insurance. They will tell you to go buy some Nyquil, and have a nice day.

If you are about to die, the only thing they will do is stabilize you, and then when you are no longer in danger of death, they will kick your ass out.

My Brother in law had an aneurysm, and they got him stable. 1 month later, they told him bye bye, memory loss and brain damage and all. That`s the risk you take.
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Male 10,338
@Madest:

All those things you just said are PART OF THE CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM!

OMG are you going red on us?
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Male 7,378
That should also be illegal. All off-shore tax havens should be illegal. Excise taxes should be imposed on American businesses that move to other countries. Loopholes closed. Subsidies need to end. But the teabaggers would rather punish people like you CJ.
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Male 17,511
madest: And there are a lot of rich liberals hiding their money in foreign banks to avoid taxes.

What does that have to do with the topic ?
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Male 7,378
[quote]Hey Madest. I have insurance. I should also have the right to NOT have it. I am not a car, and it is not a privilege for me to be alive.[/quote]
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That would require hospitals to turn you away when you`re sick forcing doctors to relinquish their Hippocratic oath. Your not being insured affects the system thereby making the requirement ideal. The Supreme Court will be make the decision. Not you or I.

@CJ, I know. There are lots of teabaggers on welfare.
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Male 10,338
Aslo, Social Security costs the government nothing. It is paid for, fully, buy the American worker. NOW HERE`S THE PROBLEM. It has been borrowed against to fund other things, and the federal government has to pay it back to pay retirees what they rightfully deserve. WHY DID THEY TAKE MONEY FROM SS TO FUND OTHER PROGRAMS! It is a travesty, and it should have been illegal.

SS should have a opt out clause, and we should be able to provide our own retirement if we so choose. I can take what I pay into SS now, and put it in a Roth IRA and have it GROW.
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Male 10,338
Look at it like this Cajun:

Okay. We have Social Security, and FICA. Those pay for Retirees SS, and FICA pays for Medicare, medicaid, and all other federal medical programs.

Say the US government gets their tax revenue for any given month. If they pay Social Security and Medicaid/care first, then we can afford it. Remember when Obama was pulling that crap about "We may not send out SSI/Welfare checks."? That was a scare tactic. We can afford these things. There are other things to cut to balance the budget. DOEducation and DOEnergy for starters. Worthless programs. Financial black holes.
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Male 17,511
madest: Evidently you have no idea what FICA stands for do you ?

FICA = Federal INSURANCE Contributions Act. Here

It`s mandatory insurance on both employees and employers to fund Social Security and Medicare.
I paid into it my entire working life, as does everyone else with W-2s. It`s not a `handout` when you pay into it.

No republican has proposed stripping people of their FICA funded benefits, They`ve supported plans that would bolster it and fund it into the future so that it won`t collapse.

Cajun: [quote">Social security is a pathetic program that ISN`T worth the cost.[/quote">

Yes it is worth it, but it needs to be restructured so that it is no longer akin to a Ponzi scheme.
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Male 10,855
[quote]We do NOT have the money to pay for all the other useless poo.[/quote]

That`s the thing we don`t have money for a LOT of stuff hence the trillion-dollar deficit. Social security is a pathetic program that ISN`T worth the cost. I`m not entirely against welfare, but programs like the ones AJ and Madest here have mentioned are taking the idea to a completely ludicrous level. It`s stuff we need to reform and/or get rid of.
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Male 10,855
[quote]you`d know medicaid is not insurance[/quote]

[quote]We have the money to pay those things.[/quote]

Really you guys?

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Male 10,338
Also, who wants to cut Medicaid, medicare, and social security? The conservatives sure don`t. We have the money to pay those things. We do NOT have the money to pay for all the other useless poo.
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Male 10,338
Hey Madest. I have insurance. I should also have the right to NOT have it. I am not a car, and it is not a privilege for me to be alive.

3 basic rights in America:

LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Obamacare infringes on all three.
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Male 7,378
@5Cats, If you were American you`d know medicaid is not insurance. It`s a government handout for those less fortunate. The proverbial safety net that I`m all for. Call me crazy but I find it hypocritical to support politicians who want to strip future generations of benefits when you know that your benefits are safe. Sad really.
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Male 40,751
@madest: this from a guy who SLANDERED another IABer for actually collecting on his insurance?

You`ve got nerve, no brains at all, but hutzpah out the wazoo. (not in that good way though, since you only use it to attack others)
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Male 533
I think you mean AA-men
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Male 500
AAAAA-MENNN!!!
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Male 39,913

can I get an "AAAAAA-MEN!!!!!"
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Male 7,378
[quote]Also, Chagrin? It isn`t the money thing, more than it`s the "YOU MUST BUY INSURANCE! YOUR OVERLORDS HAVE SPOKEN!" thing.[/quote]
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That`s a problem to the losers of the world who don`t have insurance. Those who don`t have insurance raise the cost of healthcare for everyone who does. We`re tired of it.
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Male 17,511
Madest: From your own link, "many correctly attribute this deceleration to difficult economic times causing consumers to put off physician visits and elective procedures.."

"Historically, there has been a general pattern of healthcare trends declining on a lagged basis following economic downturns." - Wolf Blitzer.

"...it is likely doing so at the expense of technology and other innovations that could keep our seniors with us a little longer so that they can enjoy and participate in the lives of their grandchildren."

In other words Obamacare is trading innovation and seniors health for cost savings. Wait a minute here, didn`t the democrats accuse the republicans of that crap ? I believe so.

I wouldn`t be too proud of that news madest.
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Male 10,338
Washington Monthly? GET IT AWAY! ;) Wait no. I need to line the litter box.

Also, Chagrin? It isn`t the money thing, more than it`s the "YOU MUST BUY INSURANCE! YOUR OVERLORDS HAVE SPOKEN!" thing.
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Male 3,477
"I`ll see you and raise you 27 trillion."
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Male 25
"The debt ceiling has been reached and raised nearly 100 times since 1917."

And most people in America seem to think this isn`t a problem.
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Male 2,528
Felonious Monk is obviously a moron if he thinks this is the first time we`ve reached the debt ceiling.

The debt ceiling has been reached and raised nearly 100 times since 1917.
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Male 599
@Groogle
"Americans, the republicans are threading all over you"

I`m not Republican or Democrat. Both parties are irresponsible, and that is the point of the video.
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Male 2,172
motleystew: "As of right now, Obama is acting more like a neocon than a liberal."

I liked when he proposed higher taxes for big corporations but then the tea party came in and said `no` like they just don`t care.

Americans, the republicans are threading all over you.
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Male 5,413
Well said
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Male 4,902
Word up B! That man speaks the truth.

@Sachi001 "Stupid Canadian. Learn US history before running your trap."

Tell em B, who would`ve thought we`d agree on something.
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Male 749
Congress critters need to keep buying those vote, and they can`t afford to user their own money. Asking congress to embrace fiscal responsibility is like asking a rapper to play the oboe.
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Male 594
"we got a black president, you acting like one right now B. Pay your fcuking bills on time." buahaha XD

This dudes got my vote
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Male 48
@erikthevikin
"When will you stupid Americans relise that this s#it storm you are all in is not Obamas fault, the Bush administration did this. Obama inherited a very bad situation. Further more you are dragging Canada down with you. Stop it."
We all know George w. Bush caused. The we had Obama come in promising hope and change but all we got was more of the same. As of right now, Obama is acting more like a neocon than a liberal.
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Female 78
maybe I`m just too old fashioned, but what if we get money THEN buy things, not vice versa? ah simplicity
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Male 599
@erikthevikin
"When will you stupid Americans relise that this s#it storm you are all in is not Obamas fault, the Bush administration did this. Obama inherited a very bad situation. Further more you are dragging Canada down with you. Stop it."

It`s been going on longer since Bush. Try 1913 under Woodrow Wilson. He signed into law the Federal Reserve. In fact you can go back to the last president who left us debt free. That was Andrew Jackson who left office in 1836.

Stupid Canadian. Learn US history before running your trap.

It`s also spelled `realize` not `relise`. >-(
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Male 495
Oh, god. It is Felonius.
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Male 495
Thelonius?
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Male 599
LOL! I love that diatribe. Makes it sound simple huh? Just balance the check book. Problem is it will never balance as long as the Federal Reserve answers to the IMF, and does not answer to the US taxpayer.

Keep on printing that money Federal Reserve douche bags, and slap that interest charge of 3.5% on each dollar bill printed.
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Male 770
Let`s pay the F U C K I N bills.

Whoever runs with that as a champaign slogan gets my vote.
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Male 10,855
@madest

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Male 10,855
I saw this before before I clicked link I thought CrakrJak suggested this.


Sure enough

Mr Monk makes an excellent point though.
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Male 758
When will you stupid Americans relise that this s#it storm you are all in is not Obamas fault, the Bush administration did this. Obama inherited a very bad situation. Further more you are draging Canada down with you. Stop it.
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Female 2,549
The senate must listen to this guy`s rant before session, everyday.
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Male 1,931
Well said.
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Male 584
felonious munk 2012!!!
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Male 2,591
yeah man damn
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Male 15,832
[quote]Well said Felonious.[/quote]
Actually it was extremely poorly said. Nonetheless, I agree with him 100%.
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Male 2,440


It`s simple. We kill the Congress.
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Male 15,262
Now even the blacks are turning on him.
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Male 802
@JustDani

Sorry but Canada has a debt as well. It`s smaller but it`s there.
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Male 802
It`s funny how all politicians (right and left) vote to spend more money than they take in, and all taxpayers f/uckin hate them for it. Finally something we can all agree on.
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Female 409
*applauds*

@BigM -- ahh Canada... how I wish to live there one day. ^_^

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Male 17,511
I got a compliment from Madest ?

:faints:
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Male 7,378
Well said Felonious. Good find CJ.
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Male 3,482
Honestly, I would love the not pay my bills to the government, then when the IRS starts bugging me tell them to contact me when they can pay theirs.

Everyone SHOULD stop paying the government. Tell them that when we know our money isn`t being wasted and we got our respect as a nation back, THEN we`ll pay.
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Male 1,610
posts like this deserve a fifth star
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Male 130
In my country we don,t have top deal with this kind of crap. Because our goverment has something called safe banking. Also we print our own money, it`s a no brainer.
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Male 39,913

If only we could make sure "B" actually saw that.


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Male 117
He`s well spoken for being angry haha, and I agree 100%
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Male 286
Ah man..."U actin like one right now b" Truer words have never been spoken.
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Male 256
Uh-oh. Looks like the mighty walls are beginning to crumble and yes, that`s how most American`s feel..
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Male 329
I`d like to walk up to that man, look him in the eye and shake his muthadratin hand.
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Male 10,440
HAHAAA. That was funny. I like the rage in this guy, it`s refreshing.

On a side note, you should pay your bills because you use electricity, internet, gas, water and so on. Those things aren`t free to make.
I hate being captain obvious here but they aren`t owned by the government either.

Taxes on the other hand...
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Female 209
I for one concur
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Male 1,674
*Felonius* Monk... that`s aweful.
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Male 14
"you acting like one right now" hahahahahaha priceless
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Male 483
The government is a failure. The time to start anew is NIGH!
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Male 17,511
Link: Felonius Monk Has Something To Say To Obama [Rate Link] - Felonious Munk speaks on the economic state of America and why we shouldn`t pay our bills.
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