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  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:40 am
    Link: Christian Parents Beat Their Daugther to Death... - ...for God, naturally.
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    tobyvictory Male 70 & Over
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:51 am
    Religion claims another one.
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    QH_girl Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:52 am
    beaten for 7 continuous hours?!? the worst part isn`t the brainwashed parents (not defending them at all, mind you) but the authors of that book that SMILE as they`re interviewed! terrible!
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    QH_girl Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:53 am
    "we reviewed the case, to see if there was going to be any blame pointed at us...so uhh, we looked into it" (last quote in clip)

    that`s as much as they cared? sheesh.
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    skytz1337 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:54 am
    religion makes people crazy
    these kind of people should be burned alive
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    godthaab Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:54 am
    Be Aware: These type of Christian Fundamentalists are vying for power in the US government.
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    liberkaos Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:55 am
    Yeah, not gaining faith in humainty here. Not at all.
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    stardoggy Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:59 am
    Christian Parents: 1
    Ungodly Children: -1
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:03 am
    The mom only got 12 years? For shame. They both need to go to a mental institution forever.
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    stonewar Female 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:04 am
    I love the example the interviewer used "boy slugs his brother" but we missed out on the rebuttal question. "Doesn`t it seem hypocrital to teach a child it is not acceptable to hit someone by hitting them?"
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:06 am
    Sorry, but this is just murder, which is against biblical teaching. These people were not following Christian principles. No where does it say beat your children to death.
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    tastytacos Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:08 am
    don`t beat your children for god... beat them for fun.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Obvious anti-religion troll post.
    Plenty of non-religious people have beaten their kids to death also.

    But I`m so in favor of the downfall of religion that I`m okay with obvious troll posts :) Keep it up IAB!
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    diylobotomy Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:10 am
    So children bickering isn`t acceptable in society, but beating your kids regularly is. Sounds logical to me.
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    ATL1EN Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:12 am
    poor girl man...
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:15 am
    It would be the black girl that they murder.

    There`s a huge difference between disciplining and beating. And there`s a huge difference between the tolerance levels of a child and a horse.
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    Pheeshy5 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:19 am
    Religious or not, if you kill your child, you deserve the same fate. Put them on death row so they can stop wasting my oxygen, f*cking scum
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    I-See-U Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:26 am
    The lady smiling while the guy explains how to beat a child must be one evil bitch.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:35 am
    you can`t stop stupid people. we are outnumbered.
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    Scuzoid Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:39 am
    "Put them on death row"

    Manslaughter really isn`t a death row offense. You yourself are fully capable of accidentally beating me to death. This WAS an accident, almost entirely due to ignorance, but an accident nonetheless. Meanwhile, you can`t argue manslaughter against a child is worse than that against an adult unless you want to start down a path of "The younger they are, the more severe the punishment for the accused should be." which does nothing but justify abortion clinic bombings.

    20yrs really should`ve been the floor for both the parents though.
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:41 am
    So...beat your child to show them that violence is bad and should never be used.
    Yup, makes a LOT of sense.
    I was never spanked or beat as a child. If I was having a tantrum in public my parents would ignore me until I stopped. Or sent me to my room if it was at home.
    I did have my mouth washed out with soap though...
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    whocares3725 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:44 am
    I really don`t understand people sometimes. It`s astounding.
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    evanbartlett Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:53 am
    "10 or 15 licks?" My goodness...sounds like sexual assault to me.
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    NATattack Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:09 am
    So sad at least those children are safe now
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:14 am
    well, as long as it was in the name of god.
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:20 am
    well, as long as it was in the name of god.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:21 am
    onoffonoffon
    "you can`t stop stupid people. we are outnumbered."
    ------------------

    Truer words have never been spoken.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:26 am
    Wait 22 and 12 for beating a kid to death?? Is that what they got for a guilty plea or is it pending?
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    NitrAce Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:45 am
    "Give him 15 licks with a belt" because "what he`s done is violent"...

    What what what?!!?!
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:47 am
    This WAS an accident, almost entirely due to ignorance, but an accident nonetheless.
    One could easily argue that it wasn`t. Think about it.

    But I`m still against the death penalty in all cases, so we agree on the punishment in the end.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:48 am
    You cannot train a horse, a dog, or a child with violence and cruelty. Parents who use this kind of method to rear their children are just sadists trying to put a nice face on. Intolerable behaviour.
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    RyanHake Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:50 am
    Not Christians.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:50 am
    "Give him 15 licks with a belt" because "what he`s done is violent"
    Aye, it doesn`t make sense at all. It`s almost like a joke the way it illustrates total hypocrisy. Except it`s not a very funny joke, not because it involves violence but because it`s just too simple. Laughing at it is like laughing at a "chicken crossed the road" thing.
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    NitrAce Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:57 am
    @Lazyme484 If I came across as that sorry, I wasn`t trying to be funny. I`m just baffled at how that makes sense to anyone. Which it evidently does to quite a lot of people "660000 copies sold". :O
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    Ani187 Female 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    You know, I`m not against spanking your kids. I was, and I tell you what, I learned never to do those things again. That doesn`t mean you should beat your kids though. A quick smack on the butt goes a long way.
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    planty Female 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    that poor baby :( this breaks my heart. Then the fact that they adopted these kids... WTF is wrong with people?
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    This is why every time I hear some Baptist f^ck talk about how we need to return to "Biblical morality" I want to punch them square in the face. THIS is what Biblical morality gets you.
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    Cartunze Male 60-69
    841 posts
    August 26, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    Sounds like Christians to me, RyanHake. If a person says they are Christian, I guess it pretty much means they are Christian. I am sure they are praying for relief from this prison situation.
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    insane_ai Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    My own parent taught by example, respect is far better than fear.
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    omgitsher Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 1:10 pm
    damn, thats like 30minutes from where i live. :( poor kids.
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    yoda141 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 1:13 pm
    Is this a good enough reason to restrict the amount of bullpoo one is free to believe in?
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    furrything Male 50-59
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    August 26, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    (Hick) "Hey, bub!...we`re Christians, and we don`t like what you were saying about our lord Jesus Christ".
    (Bill Hicks) "then forgive me!"
    Americans are SO drated!
    Wake up to the 21st century, you anachronisms, you!
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    SirSparticus Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 1:20 pm
    Quoting Hugh Laurie from house `If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people`
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    Brynjargunn Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    Violence against children is wrong. No matter how you look at it. All manner of violence! , be it a smack on the behind or beating with a belt. Should teachers beat their students? Should your boss beat you when you do something stupid?
    It infuriates me that people are saying that a little bit is ok, because it`s not. What the hell is wrong with you if you cant discipline your child without beating them?
    BTW= The argument "it was done to me and i turned out fine" is in my opinion very sad. Be a better generation of parents, don`t repeat the mistakes of the past out of spite.
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    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 1:38 pm
    Might I suggest Christopher Hitchens` 2009 book on the subject of religion and its context throughout history. Have said that, there are simply some people who will beat their child to death under ANY circumstances; religion was just a convenient excuse.
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    CW19872 Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:10 pm
    And this sort of crap is why spanking is illegal to restrained parents and why crime rate goes up.
  47. Profile photo of sethmccary
    sethmccary Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    This great country has flourished because it was founded by christians and their beliefs. The distorted opinions and actions of wierdos like that would make anything an easy target to ridicule, but it`s those 2 individuals who are to blame, not the book, or the guy who wrote it, and especially not the religion who so many love to hate.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    @CW10872

    No... the crime rate in America is the lowest it has been in half a century.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:26 pm
    That is terrible...
  50. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:30 pm
    Yeah, they definitely aren`t Christians following the Bible...

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21
    “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

    Perhaps it is a metaphorical stoning-to-death.
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    CW19872 Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    @unmercyfuldu

    Some how, I kind of doubt that.
  52. Profile photo of Klamz
    Klamz Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:35 pm
    I LOVE GOD(S)!
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    CW19872 Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:36 pm
    P.S.

    @unmercyfuldu

    Before you get all `holier then thou` on me, I said crime rates go UP. I didn`t say an all time high.
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    mrpuddle Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    @sethmccary :)
  55. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    @CW19872

    It doesn`t matter if you said all time high or crime rates go up, both are wrong. I didn`t realize that pointing out misinformation is being "holier than thou." And that is great that you "somehow doubt that," but the fact is you don`t know, yet you are willing to try to draw a link between crime rates and not spanking children because you obviously defend spanking children. Do some actual research on spanking and crime rates instead of spreading this notion that things are getting worse because parents don`t spank their children.
  56. Profile photo of sunday_scour
    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    @sethmccary This country flourished, in part, because we did not allow religion to enter into law. Thomas Jefferson was an extraordinary man and there are many good biographies of him detailing his ideas of the future of the nation. WAIT! Was I just trolled?!? poo, man. That sucks...
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    EthanCoker Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    This breaks my heart.
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    CW19872 Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    @unmercyfuldu

    You make absolutely no sense at all. But it`s okay. I`ma let you talk.

    I made a reference that the ways to parent a child are either being heavily restricted, and parents are either two heavy handed or too soft handed.

    I think a controlled spanking is alright. And the spankings I received as a child certainly made me learn my lesson. I think they`re an acceptable form of discipline if done right and correctly that doesn`t cause permanent damage both mentally and physically.

    I was referencing to the fact that -these- parents are the reason why good parents are afraid to discipline their child in today`s society.

    Before you preach about getting facts straight, perhaps you should figure out what -I- meant exactly.

    P.S. Before you say I don`t know the facts, neither do you. Keep that in mind. And by the way? My comments are all opinions. None of which I have expressly claimed to be pure fact, unlike your comments.
  59. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    @CW19872

    I am sorry. I always make the mistake of jumping to the conclusion that what people write is what they meant. I guess "spanking is illegal to restrained parents and why crime rate goes up" doesn`t explicitly state that you think crime rates have increased due to the lack of spanking. I also guess making definitive statements like "crime rate goes up" is not attempting to state a fact, but me stating "crime rate in America is the lowest it has been in half a century" is somehow different.

    Don`t back peddle, you are embarrassing yourself.
  60. Profile photo of sunday_scour
    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    It`s simple: Negative Reenforcement works. Postive reenforcement works better. Also, it does not increase the likelyhood of violent behavior in the future.
  61. Profile photo of sethmccary
    sethmccary Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    Lol Sunday scour
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    CW19872 Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    @unmercyfuldu

    It`s ok. I forgive you.

    P.S. It`s not back peddling. It`s stating my exact meaning because that is lost in toneless text. :)
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    MrYouKnow Male 13-17
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    In order to teach a boy that violence is unacceptable in society, you take him to his room and beat him?

    That man is insane.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    You guys are pretty quick to criticize religion, but when that homeless guy a couple of posts up says he found religion to cope with his demons, not a word is said about it.

    Either way, I`m not really for religion, but I hate the extreme distaste that IAB has for it.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:32 pm
    Hey, Duckboy, when someone uses religion for their OWN PERSONAL good, I say good on them. Whenever they try to inflict it on anyone else, including their kids, I say drat THEM TO GODDAMN HELL. Religion should be a personal choice, like whether or not to masturbate, not something inflicted on anyone else. Ever.
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    MrYouKnow Male 13-17
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    @SmagBoy1

    Ha, that analogy. I pictured people going door to door, trying to get strangers to masturbate with them.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2011 at 3:49 pm
    No where does it say beat your children to death.

    Yes, it does. Try Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Exodus 21:15 and Exodus 21:17.

    That doesn`t mean it`s generally approved of by Christians (or Jews), but it is in the Christian bible as a direct order.
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    Zombiemike Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    @ Angilion

    None of those say beat your kids to death. It says the penalty of being disobedient to your parents was death.
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    Tisjokar Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    This made me sick and sad at the same time.
    :( Poor kids.


    @Duckboy87
    Like Smagboy said, I don`t think ive ever seen a great number or people criticize someone over a personal relation with religion, its only when its being pushed, or affecting those around them, that IAB criticize.
  70. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    @Zombiemike

    What in the world is your point? Like stoning a kid to death for being disobedient is different than beating your kid to death for being disobedient? Guess what, both are horrible, disgusting atrocities the Bible instructs followers to do.
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 4:34 pm
    I agree and disagree with this. Although it is totally wrong to kill a child, or even severely hurt them with spanking. I think children should be spanked; I was spanked as a kid, and acted like an angel. Other kids today, sometime time-out just doesn`t work.
  72. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    www.Evilbible.com

    Learn just how evil your religion is. What is written on that site IS GODS WORD. Sure, most of it is probably the old testament, but ALL of that is still gods point of view. Which is why, given the chance, I would gladly kill your god and put him down like the dog that he is. He`s just plain evil.
  73. Profile photo of sethmccary
    sethmccary Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 5:26 pm
    This great country has flourished because it was founded by christians and their beliefs. The distorted opinions and actions of wierdos like that would make anything an easy target to ridicule, but it`s those 2 individuals who are to blame, not the book, or the guy who wrote it, and especially not the religion who so many love to hate.
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    yoda141 Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 6:23 pm
    "This great country has flourished because it was founded by christians and their beliefs. The distorted opinions and actions of wierdos like that would make anything an easy target to ridicule, but it`s those 2 individuals who are to blame, not the book, or the guy who wrote it, and especially not the religion who so many love to hate."
    Why can`t we judge the religion and the book based on the actions of their followers when the book specifically states that people could stone their children to dead if they were unruly? Somebody hasn`t read the book he considers holy and inerrant!
  75. Profile photo of sethmccary
    sethmccary Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    Christian Parents Beat Their Daughter to Death...

    That title pisses me off. Just because someone calls themselves something doesn`t necessarily make it so. Those people aren`t Christians. Also the person who gave that post it`s title is trying build upon a liberal-progressive Christian hate agenda.
  76. Profile photo of sethmccary
    sethmccary Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 6:38 pm
    @yoda141 Because everyone has their own free will, and I`m not necessarily defending Christianity, because I don`t have to, rather trying to keep it from being used as a scapegoat. Those people must insane to be able to justify to themselves, to be able to think it`s ok to do something like that. Definitely not like the Christian household I grew up in.
  77. Profile photo of unmercyfuldu
    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    @sethmccary

    Your Christian upbringing is the standard for what qualifies as "Christian"? These people certainly would argue that they upheld Christian values, and when the Bible instructs it`s followers to kill unruly children I have to agree that they indeed upheld Christian values. Who are you to say they aren`t Christian? There is no anti Christian liberal agenda you loon. Bible says to stone unruly children, these parents kill unruly child and somehow the left is twisting that into anti-Christian? If it looks like, feels like and smells like crap, it doesn`t take a genius to realize it is crap.
  78. Profile photo of TPGman
    TPGman Male 13-17
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    August 26, 2011 at 7:18 pm
    Where are they not going to be convicted for their entire life?
    I`m not a law major, but I always understood that murder = life sentence.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 7:34 pm
    @seth you didn`t really respond to yoda`s statement at all did you? he said that in the bible, YOUR HOLY BOOK, it says that you can stone your children for being unruly. you are doing exactly what you puport the "liberal agenda" is attempting to do, build upon a conservative-rightwing christian pity party... these people are a part of YOUR religion. you have to get used to it.
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    sethmccary Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 7:37 pm
    maybe you`re right...or maybe if that title had said something different. To deny the role the media and politics play in shaping society is very ignorant, and dangerous. Dude wal-mart somewhat controls what people buy through clever product placement. Most sheeple just focus on whats being fed to them, and not the source of the crap, and it doesn`t take a genius to figure that out either. It`s the fact that a story like this is aired and it has the word christian in the title and the people are claiming to be following the the bible all of a sudden its time to bash the christians. It`s like that idiot in the video saying they did because of that book that hick wrote.
  81. Profile photo of sethmccary
    sethmccary Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 7:47 pm
    Besides, defending the bible is like trying to fill a net with water. Especially with this crowd, amiright? There`s always going to be something that somebody can exploit for some reason.
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    cloud7zero Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm
    neither the first nor last person to die in gods name
    yay religion
  83. Profile photo of sethmccary
    sethmccary Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm
    One`s religion has nothing to do with their insanity, murderous or sadistic tendencies. killing in the "name of god" is just the same as killing for any other reason. Whatever excuse the person or people need.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm
    They beat her for SEVEN STRAIGHT HOURS ? Sorry, but no where in the bible or the Pearls book does it say to beat your kids for 7 hours, you`re not to leave marks on your kids, period.

    Just because someone calls themselves something doesn`t necessarily make it so. Those people aren`t Christians. Also the person who gave that post it`s title is trying build upon a liberal-progressive Christian hate agenda.

    Well said, this was an anti-Christian `hit piece` produced and edited to get people to hate Christians.
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    ledzeppeloyd Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:13 pm
    and people hate me because i`m atheist
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    drips Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:14 pm
    I`m pretty seriously anti-religion but I think this case is just two sets of whack-jobs being sihtty people. Unfortunately religion can appeal to nuts and also help them justify their actions but it`s not a great reason to crap on religion in general.
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    PtblDuffy Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 9:42 pm
    Not to lose the point, but 22 years for torture and first-degree murder? What kind of sentence is that? He serves 22 years for a life that had barely begun? What happened to life imprisonment?
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    bbdesigncof Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    @CrakrJak People don`t need to see things this to hate christians.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:33 pm
    @SmilinSam, yoda141, Angilion

    "when the book specifically states that people could stone their children to dead if they were unruly?"

    It does not say that.

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 says that after the parents have chastised (reproved, punished etc.) their son, if the son does not correct his behavior (rebellion, gluttony, drunkenness), they are to be brought before the elders of the city. Both parents would have to make an accusation before the elders, which means there would be an inquiry, and if the elders deemed it necessary the men of the city would stone the son. This by the way is not speaking of a young child as children are not gluttons (at least in that society they were not) or drunkards.
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    xoxnameless Female 18-29
    208 posts
    August 26, 2011 at 10:43 pm
    Proverbs 13:24 “Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.”

    What a loving God.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 10:51 pm
    @Angillon

    Exo 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

    You cited this verse, but you fail to realize that smiteth means to seriously injure or cause death. Also this is not speaking of young children.

    Look 3 verses down
    Exo 21:18 And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:
    Exo 21:19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.

    This is talking about injuries serious enough to cause the injured to die or be bed ridden, not just a smack in the head.
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:17 pm
    Matt: 18:6

    6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.


    What do these idiots understand what "rod" means!?
    Dumb ass Christians with pathetic interpretations.

    The Rod represents the authority of God and the power of his word. Not a physical weapon but a spiritual one!

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    freeze43 Male 18-29
    85 posts
    August 26, 2011 at 11:39 pm
    -"what if a seven year old boy slugged his sister?"
    -"well I would take him back, tell him that violence is not acceptable in society"
    "violence is not acceptable in society"
    "violence is not acceptable"

    the hypocrite establishing rests.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    August 26, 2011 at 11:41 pm
    Ok, don`t blame the hillbilly bookwriter, it was %100 those horrible parents` fault
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    Mad_Gremlyn Male 30-39
    512 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 12:53 am
    Yay...go religion. Parents torture children to death in the name of god. Then, because it was the god that America has approved of, they get off with something less than life sentences. Hey, it`s not like we`re talking about Muslims or Mexicans here!
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    darthtomale Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2011 at 1:38 am
    While i believe that the violent acts enforced in the levitical law are abhorrent, i think that this was an unfair representation of the intent of the Bible and the book written by the farmer. Just because someone does something evil and it is linked to an idea does not make the idea inherently evil. Besides, there are better proofs of the evils represented in the bible. There`s no reason to wrongly portray it just to pander to the people who already believe it`s wrong.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 2:39 am
    You cited this verse, but you fail to realize that smiteth means to seriously injure or cause death.

    No, it doesn`t.

    You`re redefining words to justify torturing people to death for trivial or relatively minor things.

    Do you seriously believe that, for example, a student who goes partying often and drinks too much alcohol while doing so (hardly unusual for a student) should be killed by their parents?
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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
    792 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 4:31 am
    Ah...that`s right. Atheists don`t abuse their children.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
    3441 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 5:22 am
    Like a red headed step child. Religion...
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    August 27, 2011 at 5:37 am
    I`m surprised that the couple pleaded guilty. It`s the only `right` thing they did.
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    andybme Male 50-59
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    August 27, 2011 at 6:14 am
    Religion is a mental disorder
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    sethmccary Male 18-29
    208 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 6:35 am
    I think its wrong to put everyone who is religious into one category. Big news corporations like CNN and fox news lost my respect a long time ago anyway when I realized that they only focus on what their parent companies or corporate sponsors want them to talk about. Did fox report on Rupert Murdoch?
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    terracottus Male 30-39
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    August 27, 2011 at 7:30 am
    102 comments. Keep the poostorm coming guys.
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    pandabear21 Female 18-29
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    August 27, 2011 at 7:41 am
    I don`t believe generalizing is right at all, and I know there are many christian families that do not act this way. What happened in this video is absolutely terrible and the sad part is that the Christians that do believe "spare the rod, spoil the child" will not take a lesson from this. Anybody, if they are in the mindframe to, will beat their child. Its not religion related.


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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 8:30 am
    sethmccary: Yes, Fox did report on the British cellphone hacking scandal. It turned out that NofW was not the only British paper/media hacking phones and Murdoch knew nothing about it. The hacking that took place was rather widespread and so was the bribing of police officials.
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    Uncertainty Female 18-29
    196 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 8:33 am
    Fun fact: the phrase "spare the rod, spoil the child" is actually referencing a shepherd`s rod, which is used to GUIDE sheep, not beat the poo out of them!

    And, thank you, @pandabear21.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2011 at 8:36 am
    It`s OK, because God wanted her dead. God told us so. Therefore, it was for her own good.

    For the sake of argument, insert "Mr. Snuffleupagus" or the name of any other imaginary friend in place of "God".

    That`s how it looks to me.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 9:41 am
    "Do you seriously believe that, for example, a student who goes partying often and drinks too much alcohol while doing so (hardly unusual for a student) should be killed by their parents?"

    Look who`s redefining things. You conveniently ignore the whole part about it being brought before the elders for inquiry, and that the whole community is involved in carrying out the sentence.

    And your argument about drunken students is at the very least not well thought out. At the time this was written, there weren`t any students or schools (as we have now). There were limited resources. A son who was being a douche bag could seriously impact the well being of a family and affect the community. It`s just not as simplistic as you would make it seem, but nice try.
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    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    August 27, 2011 at 1:46 pm
    While horrific acts may be comitted by both the theist and the athiest, name one thing done by a theist that could not be done by an athiest.
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    AngryAsian Male 13-17
    122 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 2:02 pm
    oh COMON i hate how people take 1 christian, and turn EVERY other christian into that one person, you cant exactly call these people christian if they murdered someone
  111. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    It turned out that NofW was not the only British paper/media hacking phones and Murdoch knew nothing about it.

    Yeah, but most (if not all, I can`t remember all the ones involved) were owned by News International, which is a subsidiary of News Corp., which is the company that owns Fox and is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    Fox itself may not have been involved, but it`s still just another show of how shameless and pathetic the companies under Murdoch`s control can get, and that doesn`t just develop on it`s own. It comes from the leadership, especially when the leadership has a pretty clear agenda in mind.

    And no, the liberals aren`t the only ones with agendas in case you didn`t know. The conservatives are just the ones that bitch more about it.
  112. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    August 27, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    You walked into that trap, MrPeabody...

    You`re now arguing that verses in the bible don`t apply any more because the circumstances of modern life in many places (such as your country and mine) are very different to the circumstances of life 2-3000 years ago in Judea.

    Are you sure you want to be doing that?
  113. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2011 at 4:45 pm
    While horrific acts may be comitted by both the theist and the athiest, name one thing done by a theist that could not be done by an athiest.

    Claiming divine authority for their actions. Believing that you have the ultimate authority for your actions makes it far, far easier to commit atrocities on any scale. If the ultimate authority approves of your actions, you have absolutely no need to have any consideration of morality at all. An atheist would have to be a bona fide sociopath to act like that, but a theist doesn`t.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 27, 2011 at 9:55 pm
    Altaru: Actually a Phd. Professor at UCLA has quantitatively proven media bias and has published his peer review work on the subject. Click on the `Live Submissions` link and scroll down, you`ll see the link to it there.
  115. Profile photo of MrPeabody
    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    August 28, 2011 at 2:33 am
    "You walked into that trap, MrPeabody...

    You`re now arguing that verses in the bible don`t apply any more because the circumstances of modern life in many places (such as your country and mine) are very different to the circumstances of life 2-3000 years ago in Judea."

    You are wrong yet again, and most likely trolling because you are purposefully simplifying the circumstances and ignoring what is stated to support your agenda. The circumstances which you are stating those laws could be applied are not the same as what is written, and most likely the elders of that day would send you away.

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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    August 28, 2011 at 5:29 am
    What these parents are doing IS bone fide sociopathism. It would be no different with an atheist or muslim or whathaveyou. The bible is written in the language of man according to our customs. Spare the Rod and spoil the child taken in the context of 1st century living is quite simple. Actually beating kids with a belt stopped happening only recently. This passage was NEVER intended as child abuse but this is what we see when we consider spanking. It would serve one to learn about history before trying to apply their ideas against the Bible. Believe me. The Bible is smarter than you.
  117. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2011 at 6:51 am
    Altaru: Actually a Phd. Professor at UCLA has quantitatively proven media bias and has published his peer review work on the subject. Click on the `Live Submissions` link and scroll down, you`ll see the link to it there.
    That has nothing to do with the fact that, despite the conservatives whining about it louder, liberals aren`t the only ones with agendas.

    Duh. The majority of mass media outlets are liberally biased. I wasn`t saying otherwise.

    That doesn`t cover up the fact that it was a conservative biased organization that pulled the stunt with hacking cell phones, or that viewers of Faux news and it`s associates tend to be poorly informed on politics compared to viewers of liberally biased programs, or that News Corp. has been shown REPEATEDLY to outright LIE to it`s viewers to spin the story.

    Yelling "tu quoque!" at the liberals doesn`t make you right. It just means that you`re no better than them.
  118. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 28, 2011 at 7:54 am
    Altaru: Apparently you only read the beginning of the scandal and not the rest of it. That`s not your fault, people`s eyes turn to other newer things. It was not just Murdoch`s companies that where involved, that`s a falsehood. Nearly ever paper in Britain is being investigated and it turns out most of them were hacking phones and bribing police and that it`s been going on for decades.

    The problem here was that so many liberal papers sought for so long and worked so hard on trying to find some sort of dirt on Murdoch that they all exploded at once with sensationalist, and mostly false, headlines. That sir is journalism at it`s worst and ugliest, pointing crooked fingers at someone`s dirty laundry when their own laundry is dirtier and piled to the ceiling.
  119. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    August 28, 2011 at 8:04 am
    Altaru: Faux news and it`s associates tend to be poorly informed on politics..

    Is that anything like the liberal media outlets that have used blogs on Huffpo and DailyKos as basis for `facts` in their so called news stories ? or their repeated polemic that the Tea Party is only a bunch of Elderly White Gun Toting, Bible Clinging, Terrorists ?

    Sorry, I don`t call that `well informed` at all, I call that total bullsh|t and can and have proven that liberal pablum to be false here on IAB.
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    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2011 at 8:35 am
    Sorry. I missed a word on that last post. I mean`t to have the word `good` inbetween `one` and `thing`.
  121. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 28, 2011 at 9:36 am
    Sorry, I don`t call that `well informed` at all, I call that total bullsh|t and can and have proven that liberal pablum to be false here on IAB.
    Call all the bullsh*t you want, that doesn`t change the results of the polls that have consistently shown most Fox news viewers to be, at best, average in terms of political knowledge. And that`s when compared with people who didn`t watch or read news at all.

    Bill O`Reilly being pretty much the only exception, and I can understand why. He`s fairly respectable overall.

    Nearly ever paper in Britain is being investigated and it turns out most of them were hacking phones and bribing police and that it`s been going on for decades.
    Oh really?

    Links please. With all the liberal bias, it`s pretty easy to see how Murdoch`s company was involved. I haven`t seen anything about other British papers that aren`t owned by News International.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2011 at 10:22 am
    I may also re-iterate my point:

    "Tu quoque" doesn`t make what News International did right.

    It makes News International just as bad as the rest.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    August 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm
    Not to go off-topic but why does the female get 12 years?
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    August 28, 2011 at 2:49 pm
    Hey CrakrJak, i asked the forum on a previous post a question, yet no one seemed to reply. So i guess ill direct it at you.

    Is America a democracy where state and religion is seperated?
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
    1360 posts
    August 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    Crakjakass: so because other did wrong the behaviour of news corp. is ok for you. I think you need a bit of the Lord`s spanking on your foul arse.
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    ladyObored Female 18-29
    408 posts
    August 29, 2011 at 12:36 am
    not every christian family does this. So it would be unfair to say "Religion is a mental disorder"
    as if to say every religious person does this. I am a single woman who has not yet had a child. But I often think of how I would raise my child if I were to get married and have one, and it is difficult to figure out, however I know that if God would bless me with a marriage and a child that I would try to do what is best for them and hurting them doesn`t seem like the best for them. However my mom disciplined us when we did something wrong, I never got more than a belt beating, and I learned my lessons quickly, and I grew up having love for God and my mom.
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    Calderis Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2011 at 11:45 am
    I`m not christian, but was raised that way, and I`ll say that yes, spanking and discipline work. I was spanked with a belt. It wasn`t a common occurance but when it happened I deserved it and I learned my lesson. More kids need that.

    That being said, there is definitely a line beyond which it goes from a form of discipline to something outrageously excessive. Listen to this article hell, I wouldn`t even complain about the book that the tennessee couple wrote.

    Those parents "discipline" ran about 6 hours and 55 minutes longer then could possibly have been necessary. 7 hours of beatings? blaming that crap on the authors of a book is merely trying to shift blame from the fact that they were outrageously overzealous and/or sadistic.
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    eMDeeBea Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2011 at 7:54 pm
    @Essersmith Umm... no. There is a disturbing amount of religion mixed in with everything here in America.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
    1310 posts
    August 31, 2011 at 11:39 pm
    I wish more kids would get their asses spanked. I`m tired of this BS reasoning thing going on, where I have to listen to you yell at your kid and try to negotiate with him as to why he shouldn`t be damaging my store`s property, or annoying half of my shoppers.

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