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    Vega Male 13-17
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    August 14, 2011 at 1:29 pm
    Link: Atheists - Superiority complex anyone?
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    August 14, 2011 at 1:46 pm
    True, that.
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 1:49 pm
    people fail to realize there are non-annoying people from both theologies; but yes, as the bald guy states, people who push their agendas are annoying, be it religion or politics
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    darkmagic14n Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 1:51 pm
    oh, and the superiority thing is stupid because the emo/hipster/whatever-he-is is also acting superior than the guy he is talking to
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:01 pm
    And the stickman with hair now has found away to make himself feel superior to baldy stickman.
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    Lobotomy Male 13-17
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    Yep.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    That`s from xkcd, a web comic. I`m not sure the owner would agree that another website use his work without permission...
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    Student_Law Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:15 pm
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    ExtraCredit Male 50-59
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:17 pm
    I know believers hate the Santa Clause analogy, but I can think of nothing more apropos. I recall as child how superior the kids who found out the truth about Santa acted over the believers. We are all without exception born as atheists.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:39 pm
    ExtraCredit: [quote">We are all without exception born as atheists.[/quote">

    Actually that`s quite false, even isolated tribes in the deepest jungles on earth have some sort of religious beliefs. Scientists have even studied this phenomenon and agree that something particular to the human mind. Groups of humans with religious tendencies benefit from their beliefs and it gives them an advantage socially.
    More on these studies here
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    meh....
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    MikeyNiv Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    oh god. make this the last time you link xkcd, please.
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    kittehdee29 Female 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:52 pm
    @Groogle, most IABers can easily recognize what site it`s from. Sure, they should have cited the source but no one here is trying to claim it as their own.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 2:55 pm
    And the stickman with hair now has found away to make himself feel superior to baldy stickman.

    Sounds like a lot of the comment threads on IAB. Just when you think someone has reached the top of the superiority ladder, someone else appears on the rung above them.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    August 14, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    agree w/ darkmagic14n about non-annoying people. where i live (deep south bible belt), atheists learn REALLY quick to shut up about their beliefs/non-beliefs.

    oh, and just a random thought, i`ve recently realized that i`ve heard more about god from politicians in the last few years than during my entire 12 years of oppressive catholic schooling during the 1960`s and 1970`s. too many christian ayatollahs out there...
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    @crackr, scientists used to think the world was flat and we were the centre of the solar system.

    yea.. when you dont have facts to back up your theories, people tend to laugh at them Like they do at religion.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 3:29 pm
    @CrakrJak - well said. The neurologist V.S. Ramachandran has found that people have a biological tendency to seek religion. Now, there is no structure in the brain that is "God" as the biological machinery doesn`t cause any particular religion above any other, but humans were naturally selected for the tendency to seek religion because it contributes to the stability of society. Today religion is one of the few human cultural universals, others including government, education, family groups, or art.
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    neojester12 Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    Yo...

    f**k atheists.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    i dont like most chritians cuz they feel the need to bible beat. i dont like most atheists cuz they feel the need to "logic beat"

    if people dont want to listen then dont talk to them...that goes for both sides.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 14, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Tolerance is to let others live like they want.
    To appease religious types is not tolerance, but submission.
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    regediT Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    Student Law wins, this argument is terminated.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    Scientists have even studied this phenomenon and agree that something particular to the human mind.
    Did Crackr just admit that his beliefs are all in his head? ... it sure does look like it.

    Tisk tisk. You must try harder next time, else no one will take you seriously.

    Anyway about the pic... agnostics may feel superior to everyone, but actually they are just wusses.
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    chet913 Male 13-17
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    August 14, 2011 at 4:35 pm
    an idea, i know it seems crazy and wont happen but why doesn`t everybody leave each others religious beliefs or non-beliefs alone. its really annoying.

    besides your supposed to make fun of peoples skin color duh
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    wallywal Male 13-17
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    August 14, 2011 at 4:37 pm
    religion was good because people were too stupid to live civil. when philosophy is all you really need. think for yourself. religion is used to control people as lando`s proof shows me. if you cant think have the bible do it for you, thats the american way...
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    Originalform Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    Tolerance is having to see your faggot ass comments on every post
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    saaytin Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm
    What`s the difference between the Christian God and Hitler? Think carefully about this one.
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 5:03 pm
    "Tolerance is having to see your faggot ass comments on every post"

    Yes it is now please stop commenting :/
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 14, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    Belief in spiritual and supernatural things is a Human Trait. We ALL do it! Even atheists do it!

    @Crackr vv linked the science! Atheists like science, right?

    Anyhow, we Deists are better than _W_ y`all believe in, so there!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 14, 2011 at 5:20 pm
    Did Crackr just admit that his beliefs are all in his head? ... it sure does look like it.
    Look again @LazyMe! Just Who do you think created @Crackr`s head? That`s right! God did, so there!

    Thanks @CorpseCrank for the most excellent smackdown of @OrigionalForm!

    Um @saaytin: are you on teh drugs boy? Let me list 11,000 things that are different... oops charecter limit prohibits that!

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    The_Dave_Man Male 40-49
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    August 14, 2011 at 5:29 pm
    I`m an atheist. Swear to god!
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    saaytin Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 5:44 pm
    @5cats So what WILL God do to the Jews when they die? Or anybody that doesn`t agree with Him?
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    PacoP42 Male 13-17
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    August 14, 2011 at 7:20 pm
    i feel like this was aimed more at agnostics. kinda hurt mah feelings
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    DShephard Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 7:48 pm
    "What`s the difference between the Christian God and Hitler? Think carefully about this one."

    Don`t have to.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 8:19 pm
    Just Who do you think created @Crackr`s head? That`s right! God did, so there!
    No... that would be Crakr`s parents.

    Sheesh!

    You must try harder next time, else no one will take you seriously.

    But perhaps it`s too late for that.
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    Sachi001 Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 8:35 pm
    damn skippy!
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    whyme73 Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 9:23 pm
    Sounds like butthurt atheists.
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    Enjin Male 30-39
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    August 14, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    But how would you know someone was an atheist? If someone goes around telling everyone they are an atheist (or a christian or a homosexual) it just means they are an attention whore. Yea I hate attention whores too.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 14, 2011 at 11:15 pm
    LazyMe: Did Crackr just admit that his beliefs are all in his head? ... it sure does look like it.

    No, My beliefs are quite common and shared among a lot of people. You`re trying to make it sound like my beliefs are some kind of individual hallucination, which is false.

    I was refuting the "We are all born atheists" statement scientifically. Scientifically there is no evolutionary mechanism to explain why human brains have this region because although one could argue that it`s beneficial, one could also argue that it`s detrimental (as atheists do here in IAB all the time).

    If nature, through evolution, created human brains with religious belief, then atheists are going against nature and evolution.

    If God created human brains with religious belief, then atheists are going against God.

    That`s a no win situation there.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    August 14, 2011 at 11:58 pm
    Rage, flame, spam poo. You are all wrong and it is I who is the correct one about the entire matter at hand.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 12:00 am
    Oh wait... last comment had nothing to do with the picture.
    Fancy that
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    Lw Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 12:12 am
    XKCD.COM
    when you steal material from other websites at least have the decency to tell whom you`re stealing from
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    MrYouKnow Male 13-17
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    August 15, 2011 at 12:29 am
    @Lw

    Stealing? No one`s passing this off as their own work.
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    apedrana Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 12:47 am
    actually cracker, if we look at your comment about the brain. The next logical step in the evolution of the human brain, would be atheism. This is the human race evolving and becoming more self aware in its increasing understanding of the world. Religion has played its part in this course, but needs to move with the times, and become more progressive to survive. Its just not answering enough questions in its current dogmatic state, as you could prob tell by the amount of christian bashing that goes on here.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 1:16 am
    "ExtraCredit: [quote">We are all without exception born as atheists.[/quote">

    Actually that`s quite false, even isolated tribes in the deepest jungles on earth have some sort of religious beliefs."

    So i guess crakr thinks certain people are born with knowledge of medicine and law since isolated professions in the deepest parts of civilizations on earth have some sort of specialized knowledge, things couldn`t possibly be passed down by some other method.
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    MrLill Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 1:18 am
    "The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them." think about it.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 4:00 am
    If nature, through evolution, created human brains with religious belief, then atheists are going against nature and evolution.

    If God created human brains with religious belief, then atheists are going against God.

    That`s a no win situation there.

    I think that the prevalence of religious explanations (which are never the same in areas that haven`t had contact yet - strange if there is one true God) is born of a desire in the human brain to understand and learn. And science is a more accurate and better way than a god hypothesis.

    But OK, we`ll go with your logic CJ. Now let`s pick another thing the human brain does instinctively. Lust.

    If nature, through evolution, created human brains with lust, then theists are going against nature and evolution by fighting it and forbidding premarital sex.

    If God created human brains with lust, then theists are going against God.

    That`s a no win situation there.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 4:16 am
    The article CJ linked was an interesting read. It doesn`t apply to me though - I was raised Catholic and I can honestly say that looking back, I never believed it. Although I genuinely tried. And I worried I was going to hell quite a bit, because when I prayed I never heard God calling to me like I was told you were supposed to.

    But I can see that it might well be true that people in general are born with a spiritual inclination. Just look at how many children are happy to accept the supernatural explanation of "Santa Claus" rather than the more natural one of "your parents, while you were asleep".

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 4:20 am


    But what`s important to remember is that whether or not humans are inclined to seek religious explanations says nothing about the truth of those claims. Indeed the article says that belief was beneficial not inherently, but because it brought people together.

    In which case I view it as a vestigial organ, much like an appendix. It may have been useful once in the past of our evolutionary history, but now it`s pretty much unnecessary and redundant.
    And occasionally it explodes and kills us.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 15, 2011 at 5:56 am
    I was raised Catholic and I can honestly say that looking back, I never believed it. Although I genuinely tried.

    Roger that @almightbob1! Catholicism isn`t a particularly Bible-based form of Christianity, more tradition and dogma, IMO.

    @5cats So what WILL God do to the Jews when they die? Or anybody that doesn`t agree with Him?
    @saaytin: I intend to ask God when I see Him. Good for you to capatize the `H` eh? I just might take my troll spray away.

    @LazyMe and just Who created @Crackr`s parents? (this could go on for quite some time, lolz!) It`s either faith in the Big Bang or faith in God, take your pick! Like the Rush song says: "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice!"
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 7:03 am
    Roger that @almightbob1! Catholicism isn`t a particularly Bible-based form of Christianity, more tradition and dogma, IMO.
    Fair enough, but it wasn`t just the dogmatic things I never believed, it was God. I never heard his call/felt his presence/knew the touch of the Holy Spirit/heard his voice/whatever. So I doubt it would have been any different under any other branch of Christianity.

    It`s either faith in the Big Bang or faith in God, take your pick!
    There is plentiful evidence that the Big Bang occurred. Therefore it does not require faith, unless you redefine faith to the point of being meaningless.
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    ATL1EN Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 7:41 am
    God is real.
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    zilius Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 7:43 am
    The whole "biological tendency to seek religion" is a retarded argument. If you did not notice, there is also a universally ongoing biological tendency to lie, steal and murder.

    Religion exist in all cultures simply because it`s a powerful tool. It`s good for keeping order, instilling obedience, extorting money and waging wars. Some people believe and take comfort in it, some people profit from it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 8:14 am
    almightybob: If God created human brains with lust, then theists are going against God.

    Actually not.

    Genesis 1:26 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 8:24 am
    almightybob: There is plentiful evidence that the Big Bang occurred. Therefore it does not require faith..

    There is some scant evidence that something occurred, but physicists have had to twist and eventually erase the 4 known atomic forces in order to try and explain the physics of how a `big bang` occurred without it all collapsing into a gigantic black hole moments after it went *Boom*. And how all that energy just suddenly burst into being, having not existed before then, is another problem the `big bang` theory has.

    I have a feeling `steady state` theory or something akin to it may come back into fashion some day, scientifically.
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    obeydarklord Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 8:30 am
    @ATL1EN
    thanks for posting your view on religion and welcome to I-A-B!
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 8:43 am
    Actually not.

    Genesis 1:26

    1 Corinthians 7:1-2
    "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

    Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

    1 Corinthians 7:8-9
    "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.

    But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."


    Lust is not monogamous.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 8:49 am
    There is some scant evidence that something occurred, but physicists have had to twist and eventually erase the 4 known atomic forces in order to try and explain the physics of how a `big bang` occurred without it all collapsing into a gigantic black hole moments after it went *Boom*.
    Considering that the moment a universe begins would be the moment such forces become defined, then the absence of such forces in the first few attoseconds of expansion is not particularly surprising.

    And how all that energy just suddenly burst into being, having not existed before then, is another problem the `big bang` theory has.
    This is not a problem, because you misunderstand the nature of it.
    There is no such thing as "before" the beginning of time. It is meaningless to ask what came before the event which caused spacetime to exist.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 8:52 am
    I have a feeling `steady state` theory or something akin to it may come back into fashion some day, scientifically.

    Not based on the current evidence it won`t, because the current evidence points to a Big Bang event.

    Obviously new evidence may arise which overturns the Big Bang theory, but to call that process "fashion" is to do it a deliberate disservice.
    Fashion is based on popularity and whims. Scientific concensus is based on evidence.
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    BlackHaze Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 9:29 am
    Religion... It`s like believing in Santa Claus, but for adults.
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 9:29 am
    hA DEALEXTREME AD.. HALARIOUS IVE BEEN GOING THERE FOR YEARS!!!!!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 9:30 am
    [quote">And how all that energy just suddenly burst into being, having not existed before then, is another problem the `big bang` theory has.[/quote">

    I have been considering submitting Stephen Hawking`s explanation for a few days. Unsurprisingly, it`s a compelling argument.

    It`s ~42 minutes long and it`s copyrighted, so I haven`t submitted it. There are copies on Youtube.

    It`s also an argument for strong atheism (i.e. "I think there are no gods" as opposed to "I see no reason to believe in any gods") and I didn`t fancy the possibility of another huge thread about it here, so that`s another reason I didn`t submit it.

    But here`s a link to part 1 of it:

    Here it is
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 9:35 am
    Here`s a really quick synopsis for those who won`t watch it:

    Asking anything about before the big bang is meaningless because there was no before the big bang. Since spacetime didn`t exist, there can`t have been any such thing as "before" because "before" would require time to exist before time existed, which is obviously nonsense.

    Since there was no before, there can`t have been a creator because there was no time for them to exist in.
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    BlackHaze Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 9:38 am
    "And how all that energy just suddenly burst into being, having not existed before then, is another problem the `big bang` theory has."

    What makes you think it didn`t exist? Could`ve existed always, just in a very concentrated form.

    There`s no law stating everything needs a beginning and an end.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 9:39 am
    XKCD.COM
    when you steal material from other websites at least have the decency to tell whom you`re stealing from

    That`s worth repeating.

    I know that IAB is a links site, so obviously the material is taken from elsewhere. That`s not the point. The point is that doing it without giving due credit is theft.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 9:52 am
    @crackr, scientists used to think the world was flat

    Completely wrong. No scientist has ever thought that. Few, if any, people in recorded history have thought that. Ancient Greek philosophers categorically proved it`s round and even calculated its size. They weren`t quite right as they thought it was a perfect sphere, but nobody thought it was flat.

    and we were the centre of the solar system.

    Mostly wrong. There were some philosophers who thought that, but they did have some facts to back that up. If you only have the observations that could be made ~2500 years ago, a geocentric model does fit the facts. Even so, Aristarchos of Samos proposed the heliocentric model ~2300 years ago. He just couldn`t prove it because he couldn`t make accurate enough observations.

    All this predates science, but even if you slacken the definition enough to include ancient philosophers they were still more right than many people thin
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 15, 2011 at 10:39 am
    Since there was no before, there can`t have been a creator because there was no time for them to exist in.
    MEH! Most of your points are good @Angilion, but this one`s moot at best. Atheists try to apply this to God too: Who created God? they ask. Ditto for the Bang eh?
    "He always is and always was" answer the theists, same for the Bang too. THAT is how `faith in the Big Bang` enters the question.

    Nothing in the BB theory DIS-proves God. Since there`s still LOTS of science yet to be discouvered, it may one day happen.

    Saying there are NO Gods at all (like Hawkins apparently) is a much stronger arguement that debating the Christian God`s existance.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 11:06 am
    It really is time for people to pick a century. Do you live in the 1st or 21st century? One provides long, healthy, happy lives with great insight into morality, the other provides short, brutal lives driven by fear and dogma. Since you are reading this on a computer screen, I`m guessing you`ve already made your choice.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 11:17 am
    almightybob: Fashion is based on popularity and whims. Scientific concensus (consensus) is based on evidence.

    On subjects like this, historically, It has been about scientific popularity because there is so little evidence for or against it.
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    grapehead Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 11:45 am
    or found a way not to be annoying like the other 2
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    tyger9575 Male 30-39
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    August 15, 2011 at 11:56 am
    Hey, the world now is essentially reeking toilet of thoughtless, self-centered non-nice individuals now anyway. So, who cares? Congratulations to all the kids now who`d rather be pimps, pushers, or whores to make the "easy money", than actually get a job and be of any good to society, and all because mankind doesn`t give one decent damn about itself or others, regardless of God or no God. If there is a God, He clearly has given up, and I, for one, can`t blame Him.
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    tyger9575 Male 30-39
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    August 15, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    "non-nice individuals"? Really, I-A-B? Sounds like something I would say, really. HOORAY, "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"!
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    Jaellot Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 12:52 pm
    YES! This needs to be a shirt, and a tattoo, and a tattoo of the shirt!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 2:22 pm
    MEH! Most of your points are good @Angilion, but this one`s moot at best.

    It`s a one-sentence summary of a 42-minute presentation. It`s missing a lot, obviously.

    Besides, it`s a decent point by itself.

    THAT is how `faith in the Big Bang` enters the question.

    You`ve completely misunderstood that point. It`s a rebuttal of the argument that <insert your god(s) here> must exist because someone must have created the universe. It is not, as you claim, a statement of faith. It is showing that the faith of the theist negates their own argument - THAT is where the faith is.
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    Errand_boy Male 30-39
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    August 15, 2011 at 2:23 pm
    Stick figures are two dimensional and have no God nor a sense of existence, so not sure what people are trying to prove here.
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    MrLill Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 3:05 pm
    I find upon investigation of this subject that no one is correct on this subject because in no way can science prove nor disprove a god. But recent evidence in the field of near death experiences (NDE) where people have died and were revived have a lot in common. In terms of afterlife. when having a NDE, they experience a bright light, see a god like feature as they describe and have to make a decision, among many other things in common. these scientific articles use the scientific method and so far are the best indicator of a god.I find athiest always try to disprove god with measurable observations instead of verifiable experience, which is really what it`s about. People of religion always try to prove god in the same way, from what a book told them without ever questioning it because experience doesn`t compute with others for whatever reason.
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    MrLill Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    I feel that we all pray at some point and are all religious in a way at the ending of our life.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 15, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    @Angilion I (personally) view the "Big Bang" as just another "God". That is, the creator of all the universe, eh?

    Whomever created you and I = God. Who created the carbon we`re made of? The oxygen we breathe? The Lithium in our bodies? Supernovas? NOPE! They don`t create Lithium! lolz! Trick question.

    Also a sticking point in the BB theory: ALL heavy elements are supposed to have come from stars blowing up, but new research claims that Lithium (while not "heavy" at atomic number 3! It`s still bigger than Hydrogen and Helium, eh?) isn`t made in a nova or supernova. Therefor ALL Lithium has to come from the origional BB, which was supposed to ONLY contain Hydrogen (and Helium too? I forget).

    Anyhow, I think ALL science requires faith too. Life itself requires faith!

    As James Randi said: "When you sat down on your chair, did you TEST it to see if it was safe? No? That`s Faith!"
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 4:38 pm
    If nature, through evolution, created human brains with religious belief, then atheists are going against nature and evolution.
    Nature, through evolution, gave children the ability to come up with all kinds of imaginary friends. But you expect children to grow out of that, calling them insane if they have them as adults.

    Why is god different?

    As for superstition, most superstitions are based on stories people have told through the ages.

    It`s like the old "murderer on lover`s peak" stories. There isn`t really a murderer up there (most of the time, at least), but because we`ve been told the stories a thousand times, we get paranoid. Same with religion.

    Pump a superstitious story into someone`s mind constantly, they`ll (probably) be superstitious. Let them be free from that crap, and they`ll think with a rational mind. Just like religion.
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    apedrana Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 6:22 pm
    @5cats: `As James Randi said: "When you sat down on your chair, did you TEST it to see if it was safe? No? That`s Faith!"` so what happens if the chair does break and fall? Do I keep blindly believing that i`m still sitting on a stable chair?
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    apedrana Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    Why do we bother trying to convince people like 5cats and cracker, its obvious that at their age, they are happy with their view of the world. Lets keep things moving along, and ensure fact based education is passed down to the next generation.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 7:04 pm
    Also a sticking point in the BB theory: ALL heavy elements are supposed to have come from stars blowing up, but new research claims that Lithium (while not "heavy" at atomic number 3! It`s still bigger than Hydrogen and Helium, eh?) isn`t made in a nova or supernova. Therefor ALL Lithium has to come from the origional BB, which was supposed to ONLY contain Hydrogen (and Helium too? I forget).

    You`re working from a simplified misunderstanding of a 50 year old initial approximation of the theory. So, unsurprisingly, your conclusions are wrong.

    The predominance of light elements, especially helium but also lithium, is what is expected from the big bang theory, i.e. it`s evidence supporting the theory.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 7:04 pm
    The big bang would have resulted in no atoms of anything - too much heat. The cooling as the universe expanded would lead to the formation of particles and the interaction and decay of those particles would form hydrogen, helium and lithium.

    Look up "Primordial nucleosynthesis" for details.

    Brief summary here
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 7:12 pm
    Anyhow, I think ALL science requires faith too.

    That`s because you don`t know what science is.

    As James Randi said: "When you sat down on your chair, did you TEST it to see if it was safe? No? That`s Faith!"

    Did he? When? Where?

    Drawing conclusions from massive amounts of experimental evidence is not faith. There have been many billions of repetitions of the "sitting on a chair" experiment by billions of people and passing through the chair is a notably non-existent result.

    In addition, I have a rough understanding of the forces involved. So I have an explanation as to why I won`t pass through the chair despite the fact that both it and my body are mostly nothing (in almost all matter, the gaps between particles are vastly larger than the particles themselves).
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2011 at 8:56 pm
    [quote">On subjects like this, historically, It has been about scientific popularity because there is so little evidence for or against it. [/quote">

    You can keep saying that, but it won`t make it true.
    There is plenty of evidence, the most impressive in my opinion being the cosmic microwave background radiation readings taken by the COBE satellite in 1989. The resulting plot of background radiation fitted the predicted values from the Big Bang model so accurately that the error bars are too tiny to include on any reasonably scaled graph. It pretty much sealed the lid on the Big Bang model being correct. You can read some more about it here.

    That science is 22 years old, CJ.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2011 at 10:09 pm
    Bob: You`re forgetting the myriad of problems the theory has, such as The Horizon Problem and The Flatness Problem.

    Often the solutions to one problem conflict with solutions to other problems and that`s where BB theory is beginning to break down.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2011 at 3:39 am
    Sigh.
    Both those problems are problems with an older version of the Big Bang theory which posited a uniform rate of expansion from the moment of the Big Bang.
    The current Big Bang theory comprises a period of early initial exponential expansion which accounts for the horizon problem, the flatness problem and the monopole problem. It is known as inflation.

    THAT was hypothesised in 1980. You`re getting further and further back man.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 16, 2011 at 5:49 am
    @Angilion Randi said that in a lecture, iirc it was about skepticism. The Amazing Randi is a genius!

    So the BB theory grows and changes to suit new evidence? Good! So how do you know MORE new evidence won`t come along and change it further? How do you know the changes weren`t mistakes? Faith.

    Look at AGW: so many people believed what they initially said, governments around the world have spent TRILLIONS of dollars based on it. BUT it has turned out that most of their "data" was cherry-picked or outright FAKED. Also many of their "fcts" have proven incorrect. Yet people (like @davymid) still believe in AGW although they`ve changed the name to hide thier faith in AGW`s doctrine.

    Nothing wrong with BB theory, I`m not saying it isn`t true. I AM saying it took 200K years for light to exist, so we`re just guessing, really, about it. Educated guesses for certain! But still.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2011 at 9:40 am
    almightybob: Therein lies the problems Bob, How could anything expand that fast ? Inflation theory says the universe expanded incredibly faster than the speed of light and that`s just too hard to believe. BB theory has to break every rule of physics in order to even exist.

    Atheists claim that God would`ve had to break laws of physics in order to create the universe as well, according to the Genesis creation story.

    So take your pick, Break every rule and believe the big bang, or only break a few and believe in God.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    Look at AGW: so many people believed what they initially said, governments around the world have spent TRILLIONS of dollars based on it. BUT it has turned out that most of their "data" was cherry-picked or outright FAKED. Also many of their "fcts" have proven incorrect. Yet people (like @davymid) still believe in AGW although they`ve changed the name to hide thier faith in AGW`s doctrine.

    That`s a lovely conspiracy theory.

    Unsurprisingly, it`s bollocks. Like almost all conspiracy theories. Which shouldn`t really be called theories at all, obviously.

    That rather undermines any point you might have regarding the big bang theory.
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    kamtschatka Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    @CrakrJak: The Hubble constant (velocity of the expansion of the universe) is around 75km/s.
    the speed of light is around 300000km/s, so it is expanding slower than the speed of light...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    So take your pick, Break every rule and believe the big bang, or only break a few and believe in God.

    That is the funniest thing I`ve seen on the net this week. Well done!
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2011 at 2:35 pm
    So the BB theory grows and changes to suit new evidence? Good! So how do you know MORE new evidence won`t come along and change it further?
    I don`t. And it probably will. Not by much - it`s not going to go back to steady state or anything, not without a monumental amount of evidence which completely trashes things like the COBE mission - but details of it will be refined and changed as new evidence comes out, yes.

    How do you know the changes weren`t mistakes? Faith.
    If you call trusting a process of gathering evidence, evaluating it, drawing conclusions and repeating "faith", then as I said earlier you have skewed the definition beyond recognition and we then need a new word to describe religious belief, because that is not equivalent.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 16, 2011 at 4:54 pm
    HERE you are @Angilion!
    I submitted this too, hope it gets posted.

    I lost the link, but this year Britian is spending 100 billion pounds on windfarms, and 17 billion on natural gas electric plants. Each makes 23 GIGS of power. Why both? Because if the wind isn`t blowing, they need the Gas ones to supply electricity.
    The catch? When the Gas plants are on "idle" (ie when the wind IS blowing) they actually produce MORE polution than when they run full speed!
    Thus: British taxpayers are forking over an extra 100 BILLION pounds to make MORE polution!
    Faith!

    @almightybob1, you forget that I view God and the BB as one and the same, if either exists of course :-) Thus I apply the same rules to both: unlike theists or atheists who view the two as opposites, eh?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 16, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    Furthermore:
    In the mind of a Chrisian, or Muslim for that matter, God is PROVEN to exist every bit as much as the Big Bang is.
    Theists have hundreds of strong arguements, but atheists will never admit that! They focus on the nonsense, paper tigers, strawmen & etc.

    It is YOU who believe one side and discount the `proof` offered by the other. YEah yeah Christians do it too _W_
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2011 at 5:17 pm
    How could anything expand that fast ?
    Ah, good old argument from personal incredulity.

    There`s plenty of the details I don`t understand. That doesn`t mean the science isn`t sound, or that the scientists don`t know the answers to these questions.

    Considering you are positing problems that were answered decades ago as if they are still problems with the current Big Bang theory, I would wager that neither of us is a trained physicist. This is why we have experts.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2011 at 7:50 pm
    @almightybob1, you forget that I view God and the BB as one and the same, if either exists of course.
    OK. So do you worship the Big Bang, or pray to it? In what way does it have the same status as what everyone else understands as the term "god"?

    If we`re saying "why did the Big Bang happen", then yes it is possible that some supernatural being triggered it.
    There`s just absolutely no evidence to support that.

    Thus I apply the same rules to both: unlike theists or atheists who view the two as opposites, eh?
    I do apply the same rule to both. It`s called "burden of proof". One has passed the test, the other has failed.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    Theists have hundreds of strong arguements
    Please do tell me some. Because the only ones I get offered have been repeatedly rebutted so many times in the past that it`s just tedious now.

    It is YOU who believe one side and discount the `proof` offered by the other.
    See previous comments RE burden of proof. Offering proof is not enough, it has to actually stand up to scrutiny. If you have actual evidence (NB: personal experience, while potentially very compelling to the individual experiencing it, is not testable evidence) please do share. I would love to see some.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2011 at 9:56 pm
    I lost the link, but this year Britian is spending 100 billion pounds on windfarms, and 17 billion on natural gas electric plants. Each makes 23 GIGS of power. Why both? Because if the wind isn`t blowing, they need the Gas ones to supply electricity.
    The catch? When the Gas plants are on "idle" (ie when the wind IS blowing) they actually produce MORE polution than when they run full speed!
    Thus: British taxpayers are forking over an extra 100 BILLION pounds to make MORE polution!
    Faith!

    Even if any of that is true (and no, I don`t accept you as a reliable source), your claims that it`s faith and that it disproves anthropogenic climate change are both ridiculous.

    A government is wasting public money because they think it will get them votes. Is that really a surprise?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2011 at 10:01 pm
    In the mind of a Chrisian, or Muslim for that matter, God is PROVEN to exist every bit as much as the Big Bang is.

    In the minds of some people, it`s PROVEN that Earth is run by aliens in disguise or that you can run cars on tapwater with a magic device. Many things are PROVEN in the minds of some people. It doesn`t mean anything. The evidence that matters is independently reproducible evidence. Proof is for maths.

    Theists have hundreds of strong arguements, but atheists will never admit that!

    Because it isn`t true. If you think it is, feel free to state those hundreds of strong arguments. Or even just one.

    They focus on the nonsense, paper tigers, strawmen & etc.

    Because it`s being presented as PROOF and it affects the world.

    It is YOU who believe one side and discount the `proof` offered by the other.

    I don`t do belief. I go on evidence.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 16, 2011 at 10:31 pm
    vv Not really my forte @almightybob1, hopefully a real Christian (or Muslim, or Jew) will fill you in.

    Y`all can pray to the BB, I`m a Deist :-)

    I wil toss one past you:
    "All life comes from life"
    The BB requires you to believe that living things come from random molecules. Hydrogen formed stars, which blew up, which made heavier elements: over and over again, for zillions of years. And then turned into pussycats! Lucky break eh!?!

    And don`t link that lame-o video of two guys mixing stuff and "creating life" it`s... lame! And not alive.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 16, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    it`s PROVEN that Earth is run by aliens
    You can find 4-5 billion folks who believe that? Size matters. (5 billion if you include the Hindus and various Polytheists, eh?)

    Anyhow this is cross-posted. I offer an arguement, not `proof` since proving the existance of God on the IAB forums would require... a miracle!

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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2011 at 11:14 pm
    You can find 4-5 billion folks who believe that? Size matters. (5 billion if you include the Hindus and various Polytheists, eh?)

    Appealing to the majority. I could find a lot of people believing that meat is awesome, but they differ on which meat, and in each meat group they all differ on what the best way to cook it is. Then there are the few that don`t eat meat. Does that mean they`re wrong because more people do?

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2011 at 3:52 am
    Size matters.
    No it doesn`t. (And it`s not the way you use it either.)

    If 100 people, 100 million people or indeed every single living person thought the earth was flat, it would not make it true. Things exist or do not, and what people think about them does not affect that.

    Y`all can pray to the BB, I`m a Deist
    By your definitions (Big Bang = God) I really don`t see any difference between you and an atheist. In what way do you consider the origin of the universe a deity?

    The BB requires you to believe that living things come from random molecules. Hydrogen formed stars, which blew up, which made heavier elements: over and over again, for zillions of years. And then turned into pussycats! Lucky break eh!?!
    Actually, the pussycats part is the theory of evolution, not the Big Bang theory. But yes, that is what I believe.

    If you keep adding grains of sand to a pile, eventually you get a mountain
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 17, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    HAHAHA! You "bit" on the pussycat/evolution hook!
    Now to reel in an @almaightybob1, he`ll look great over the fireplace!

    BB + evolution: it`s all a big accident, life has no meaning, when you die that`s it! Game over.
    God + evolution: it`s part of a plan, your life (hopefully) has meaning, when you die your soul continues.

    I`ll take... G+E for the win!

    I`m not an atheist - very different!
    Deists believe there is a Creator who made the whole universe. Now I personally allow that the BB might be the actual "creator" and therefor might be "God". Since we humans don`t know Who or What made this place, it`s ALL speculation.

    So there is a God, but we have no idea Who or What he/she/it/them is.

    Hope you`re still reading this thread eh? Sorry for the delay in reply, had to work and stuff :-P
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 17, 2011 at 3:46 pm
    A side question @almightybob1 (and any Mod except @madest and @Baalth)

    When we "Contact I Am Bored" on the link at the bottom of the page, who gets to read it?

    I have SERIOUS grievances with a certain Mod (ok, it`s @madest) and don`t want him deleting my complaints. YEah plural, it`s that bad.

    http://tinyurl.com/3v3owxw
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    MrLill Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    How do you guys explain in Hinduism Brahman? the entity that is Brahman is a god to many.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2011 at 3:28 am
    BB + evolution: it`s all a big accident, life has no meaning, when you die that`s it! Game over.
    God + evolution: it`s part of a plan, your life (hopefully) has meaning, when you die your soul continues.
    Just because no higher power created us doesn`t mean life is empty or without meaning. But yes, when you die that`s it. Game over. So make this one count and enjoy it.

    I`ll take... G+E for the win!
    That`s fine. If you`re comfortable making the choice based on what you want to believe or what you want to be true, rather than what the evidence suggests, go for it.
    I want my beliefs to be based on truth as much as possible, and the most reliable way of finding truth that exists is the scientific process. And it tells me the universe was created by a Big Bang event 13.7 billion years ago.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2011 at 3:32 am
    I`m not an atheist - very different!
    Deists believe there is a Creator who made the whole universe.
    OK, that much I knew about deists. I`m just confused by this next part:

    Now I personally allow that the BB might be the actual "creator" and therefor might be "God". Since we humans don`t know Who or What made this place, it`s ALL speculation.
    So you allow that the Big Bang might have created the universe. But then in what way is it a deity? If that does turn out to be true (although at what point you`ll accept the evidence that shows the universe WAS created by a Big Bang event is another thing) and you then accept it was a Big Bang, in what way will you be a deist?

    The Big Bang is not a conscious entity. It gives life no meaning. It`s not a higher power, it has no "plan".
    Therefore if you ever do decide to accept the evidence that supports it, surely you will then be reverting to atheism?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2011 at 3:36 am
    When we "Contact I Am Bored" on the link at the bottom of the page, who gets to read it?
    To the best of my knowledge it redirects those messages to fancylad. There`s certainly nowhere on the backend that I can see where such messages appear to the moderating team.

    If you want I can email you directly at the email address you signed up to IAB with and we can discuss any issues there.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 18, 2011 at 5:27 am
    But then in what way is it a deity?
    It`s a really crappy deity, that`s what! It`s a "god" by default. Not all Deist theory would agree with me, afaik most Deists are mon-theistic. It`s not like were organized or anything.
    If it were proven that God didn`t exists I guess we`d all be Atheists, eh? Of course it wouldn`t matter...
    I think we`ll all learn the truth about 10 minutes after we die.

    Send me your e-mail plz and if I don`t hear from Fancylad in a couple days I`ll send my complaint your way.
    It`s on the "Obama and TEa PArty" thread, I honestly would not tolerate that much abuse from anyone, but for a Mod it`s doubly bad.
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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    August 22, 2011 at 3:01 pm
    yeah... I find atheists pretty damn annoying these days too.

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